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..PAUL4PRES..
10-30-2009, 06:08 PM
By Bob Ivry

Oct. 30 (Bloomberg) -- Representative Ron Paul, the Texas Republican who has called for an end to the Federal Reserve, said legislation he introduced to audit monetary policy has been “gutted” while moving toward a possible vote in the Democratic-controlled House.

The bill, with 308 co-sponsors, has been stripped of provisions that would remove Fed exemptions from audits of transactions with foreign central banks, monetary policy deliberations, transactions made under the direction of the Federal Open Market Committee and communications between the Board, the reserve banks and staff, Paul said today.

“There’s nothing left, it’s been gutted,” he said in a telephone interview. “This is not a partisan issue. People all over the country want to know what the Fed is up to, and this legislation was supposed to help them do that.”

The Fed, led by Chairman Ben S. Bernanke, has come under greater congressional scrutiny while attempting to end the financial crisis by bailing out financial firms and more than doubling its balance sheet to $2.16 trillion in the past year. The central bank is also buying $1.25 trillion of securities tied to home loans.

Paul, a member of the House Financial Services Committee, said Mel Watt, a Democrat from North Carolina, has eliminated “just about everything” while preparing the legislation for formal consideration. Watt is chairman of the panel’s domestic monetary policy and technology subcommittee.

Keith Kelly, a spokesman for Watt, declined to comment and said Watt wasn’t immediately available for an interview. Watt’s district includes Charlotte, headquarters of Bank of America Corp., the biggest U.S. lender.

Original Language

Paul said he intends to introduce an amendment to the bill when it comes to the House floor for a vote restoring the legislation’s original language.

Representative Barney Frank, a Democrat from Massachusetts and chairman of the committee, said in interview that he intends to ensure legislation would provide a time lag between FOMC actions and the reporting of them.

Such a provision would “lessen the market impact,” he said on Oct. 20. “The importance is to see that there are no abuses and to judge what they did.”

The legislation will probably be included in a broader Democratic package of financial-regulation changes in the House, Frank said.

To contact the reporter on this story: Bob Ivry in Washington at bivry@bloomberg.net.
Last Updated: October 30, 2009 17:48 EDT

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=atc2o1ijLRno

..PAUL4PRES..
10-30-2009, 06:09 PM
What do we do now?

mnewcomb
10-30-2009, 06:10 PM
I imagine Congressman Grayson will probably raise a little stink too...

sevin
10-30-2009, 06:12 PM
:(

AdamT
10-30-2009, 06:12 PM
This is no surprise.

Austrian Econ Disciple
10-30-2009, 06:19 PM
When I watched the hearing I hated Watt. GRRRRR.

This pisses me off so much. Though it was to be expected. What we do is continue to support Liberty candidates both nationally and locally. Other than that, continue to stockpile weaponry and ammunition and get to know your community.

dannno
10-30-2009, 06:20 PM
......all that work...not that I'm surprised, at least we educated a lot of people.


http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=216876

Civilradiant_palm_pre
10-30-2009, 06:30 PM
rp needs to make this into a shitstorm of publicity

paulitics
10-30-2009, 06:43 PM
By Bob Ivry

The legislation will probably be included in a broader Democratic package of financial-regulation changes in the House, Frank said.
To contact the reporter on this story: Bob Ivry in Washington at bivry@bloomberg.net.
Last Updated: October 30, 2009 17:48 EDT

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=atc2o1ijLRno

Of course, gut the bill, and tag it on some ginormous power grab, that will give the bankers more than they could ever dream. RP will end up voting against his own bill.

Chester Copperpot
10-30-2009, 06:45 PM
God damn those fuckers!!!!


Motherfuckers!!!!!!!!!!!!

awake
10-30-2009, 06:48 PM
Mel Watt

Dieseler
10-30-2009, 06:49 PM
This was a foregone conclusion to me.

Chester Copperpot
10-30-2009, 06:51 PM
mel watt.. that fucker needs to go

torchbearer
10-30-2009, 06:51 PM
God damn those fuckers!!!!


Motherfuckers!!!!!!!!!!!!


I'd like to see them "gut" this-
http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/-The-Civil-War-united-states-of-america-758088_640_462.jpg

raiha
10-30-2009, 06:52 PM
Allez les enfants, STORM La BASTILLE

tpreitzel
10-30-2009, 06:52 PM
Funnel the anger and hatred to our political enemies. We're entering the final days of our republic. The treason is everywhere. Maybe, we should all prepare to leave in a blaze of glory, but our fury must be controllably vented at the appropriate time.

Chester Copperpot
10-30-2009, 06:53 PM
http://watt.house.gov/contactinfo.asp

Contact Congressman Watt

Due to U.S. House mail screening procedures, mail to Congressman Watt's Washington office is delayed.

Contact Congressman Watt Via Computer
E-mail: Contact Mel Watt

Scheduling and Media Contacts:
Keith Kelly
202-225-1510

Tamara Stinson, Communications Coordinator/Webmaster
704-344-9950


In Person
WASHINGTON
2304 Rayburn HOB
Washington, DC
20515-3312
Tel. (202) 225-1510
Fax (202) 225-1512
Map On Mapquest

CHARLOTTE
1230 W. Morehead St.
Suite 306
Charlotte, NC
28208-5214
Tel. (704) 344-9950
Fax (704) 344-9971
Map On Mapquest

GREENSBORO
301 S. Greene St.
Suite 210
Greensboro, NC
27401-2615
Tel. (336) 275-9950
Fax (336) 379-9951

Dieseler
10-30-2009, 06:53 PM
Hold...hold...

Chester Copperpot
10-30-2009, 06:54 PM
What is this.. going to be turned into a race situation because Mell Watt is black?? I can see this spin being tried already...

Chester Copperpot
10-30-2009, 06:57 PM
God damn these people... mother fuckers... we go thru every fucking hurdle.. get 3/4s of the house to agree and all so ONE MAN can gut the entire thing.

no.. no fucking way... this guy is in the back pocket of these mother fucking banks.. and he needs to be exposed..

Chester Copperpot
10-30-2009, 06:57 PM
the same people who prevent peaceful change from happening.. insure a violent change.. God dammit!!

I am so fucking pissed off right now.. fuck fuck fuck

Chester Copperpot
10-30-2009, 06:58 PM
ole Ron has gotta be having an ulcer right about now...I am so outraged Im ready to drive to North Carolina

Dieseler
10-30-2009, 06:59 PM
Keep a cool head brother.
Feel you.

raiha
10-30-2009, 06:59 PM
I am so outraged Im ready to drive to North Carolina
People often have car crashes when they angry. Take a train!

Chester Copperpot
10-30-2009, 06:59 PM
they do this shit on a friday after hours so itll be forgotten about come monday.. they do this same shit with the stock market all the time too..

and of course guy has an answering machine on.. nobody is at the office..

Chester Copperpot
10-30-2009, 07:00 PM
sorry guys.. i know we're all pissed off about this.

tpreitzel
10-30-2009, 07:01 PM
Keep a cool head brother.


Agreed

torchbearer
10-30-2009, 07:02 PM
The federal reserve is going down- one way or another.
It looks like they are choosing option - another.

raiha
10-30-2009, 07:15 PM
So many good people did so much good work to get it to where it was pre-"the Watt effect"...
How can anyone think for a moment the USA is a democracy?...it is more and more evident that it is an oligarchy and a bloatocracy.
I guess on the up-side, Ron Paul has had alot of exposure; "End the Fed" got to #1 on Amazon and more and more people are asking themselves questions they have never asked themselves before.
I hope people in high places have tantrums about this! Or will it all fade into oblivion?

ShowMeLiberty
10-30-2009, 07:22 PM
Dammit! Dammit! Dammit straight to hell!

Mr. Watt apparently does not realize that the R3VOLution will not just slink away in defeat!

MRoCkEd
10-30-2009, 07:23 PM
This is ridiculous

pcosmar
10-30-2009, 07:26 PM
:mad:
Not Unexpected.

Sandman33
10-30-2009, 07:28 PM
God damn those fuckers!!!!


Motherfuckers!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree. EVERYONE needs to be as angry as Mike.

torchbearer
10-30-2009, 07:29 PM
this is not over. these fuckers are going down. 6ft if necesary.

Dieseler
10-30-2009, 07:29 PM
Fire!

apropos
10-30-2009, 07:33 PM
This is one time an executive order would be a good thing. It may very well take another Andrew Jackson to carve out this parasite.

Until then all we can do is continue to fight. This is for the long haul.

Fuck you, Watt.

raiha
10-30-2009, 07:41 PM
With love from Mr Denninger...Pity Mr What?s face isn't on it!:mad:
YouTube - Recession / Bear Market Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGD0GemEiqw&feature=player_embedded#at=142)

sofia
10-30-2009, 07:45 PM
Melvin Watt is former head of Congressional Black Caucus

Dieseler
10-30-2009, 07:46 PM
Melvin Watt is former head of Congressional Black Caucus

Menthol was excluded.

Kevin_Kennedy
10-30-2009, 07:48 PM
Utterly ridiculous.

torchbearer
10-30-2009, 07:48 PM
Menthol was excluded.

Kools make for good 'dirties'.

Kevin_Kennedy
10-30-2009, 07:53 PM
If your Congressman is a co-sponsor of 1207 contact them and let them know that you want them to fight for the original language of the bill to be returned.

kathy88
10-30-2009, 07:54 PM
Watt = FUCKER

What can we do?

How about a march on the capitol. Everyone carries a Don't Dilute my HR 1207 sign or something...??????

awake
10-30-2009, 07:54 PM
Yup, go time.

kathy88
10-30-2009, 08:00 PM
We need Glen Beck et. al to go BATSHIT about this. The more that are aware the better.

torchbearer
10-30-2009, 08:00 PM
Watt = FUCKER

What can we do?

How about a march on the capitol. Everyone carries a Don't Dilute my HR 1207 sign or something...??????

march? not if the end of the march is sitting down on the mall grounds with signs.

Chester Copperpot
10-30-2009, 08:00 PM
Watt = FUCKER

What can we do?

How about a march on the capitol. Everyone carries a Don't Dilute my HR 1207 sign or something...??????

no fuck that.. we need to march in front of the congressman;s house and office.. we need to bullhorn him and expose him for what he is.. He is either corrupt or stupid.. either way he need not be representing people in congress

kathy88
10-30-2009, 08:05 PM
So let's get it on. This is utter and complete BULLSHIT. EVERY ONE OF THESE CORRUPT BANK WHORES MUST GO.

dr. hfn
10-30-2009, 08:06 PM
Hell no!

awake
10-30-2009, 08:07 PM
The wheels are moving... turn the anger and outrage into a productive outcome.

kathy88
10-30-2009, 08:08 PM
The wheels are moving... turn the anger and outrage into a productive outcome.


I haven't been this pissed in a very long time.

Chester Copperpot
10-30-2009, 08:09 PM
I haven't been this pissed in a very long time.

same here... No kidding I havent been this pissed since a friend of mine stole my date for the prom when I was 17.. really.. I know it sounds childish but when youre 17.. its a big deal..

Austrian Econ Disciple
10-30-2009, 08:12 PM
Watt = FUCKER

What can we do?

How about a march on the capitol. Everyone carries a Don't Dilute my HR 1207 sign or something...??????

Yeah, everyone carries a pistol on their thigh and an AR-15 or your choice of rifle slung around your back. Let them know we won't take it, and we won't let them abridge our rights any longer. Civil Disobedience and the right to assembly. That way they cannot and dare not try and illegally expel us from the grounds. If they want a fight, damn well they will get one.

Spike
10-30-2009, 08:13 PM
no fuck that.. we need to march in front of the congressman;s house and office.. we need to bullhorn him and expose him for what he is.. He is either corrupt or stupid.. either way he need not be representing people in congress

Indeed. What he has done is unforgivable. He is going against 75% of his countrymen, and aligning himself with the bankers who are looting America.

Chester Copperpot
10-30-2009, 08:13 PM
The main powerbase for this whole corrupt damn animal is the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

Ideas anybody? Suggestions?

dr. hfn
10-30-2009, 08:13 PM
yeah, everyone carries a pistol on their thigh and an ar-15 or your choice of rifle slung around your back. Let them know we won't take it, and we won't let them abridge our rights any longer. Civil disobedience and the right to assembly. That way they cannot and dare not try and illegally expel us from the grounds. If they want a fight, damn well they will get one.

+1776

kathy88
10-30-2009, 08:14 PM
yeah, everyone carries a pistol on their thigh and an ar-15 or your choice of rifle slung around your back. Let them know we won't take it, and we won't let them abridge our rights any longer. Civil disobedience and the right to assembly. That way they cannot and dare not try and illegally expel us from the grounds. If they want a fight, damn well they will get one.




this

Spike
10-30-2009, 08:16 PM
The main powerbase for this whole corrupt damn animal is the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

Ideas anybody? Suggestions?

Go to Watt's office in D.C with billboards, bullhorns, and every peaceful object that will make noise. Any noise. This is the undoing of America, Dr. Paul maybe needs to organize this. Enough is enough. Dr. Paul needs to stop playing nice with men who are going against the constitution and the wishes of the American people.

phill4paul
10-30-2009, 08:17 PM
If your Congressman is a co-sponsor of 1207 contact them and let them know that you want them to fight for the original language of the bill to be returned.

Damn straight. Time for another Carolinian to call the bullshit. I'm gonna expect quite a bit from Patrick Henry. Gonna tape a letter to the door of his office tomorrow.

kathy88
10-30-2009, 08:19 PM
Damn straight. Time for another Carolinian to call the bullshit. I'm gonna expect quite a bit from Patrick Henry. Gonna tape a letter to the door of his office tomorrow.



That's a great idea. More.....

Getting Paul to call upon the public to protest this would be wonderful. Would he go that far?

torchbearer
10-30-2009, 08:19 PM
Damn straight. Time for another Carolinian to call the bullshit. I'm gonna expect quite a bit from Patrick Henry. Gonna tape a letter to the door of his office tomorrow.

youtube or it didn't happen.

kathy88
10-30-2009, 08:20 PM
youtube or it didn't happen.


good point

videotape everything

Kevin_Kennedy
10-30-2009, 08:21 PM
We should also contact Glenn Beck about this. Doesn't he have that Watchdog thing he's promoted on-air? We could send this in as a Watchdog story. "Congressman Watt sides with banksters to aid Federal Reserve in gutting Federal Reserve audit legislation." He likes to rail against the Fed so if enough of us put him onto this he may talk about it.

awake
10-30-2009, 08:22 PM
Beck Bomb?

Austrian Econ Disciple
10-30-2009, 08:22 PM
Beck Bomb?

And Napalitano.

Kevin_Kennedy
10-30-2009, 08:22 PM
Beck Bomb?

No doubt.

awake
10-30-2009, 08:24 PM
Beck Bomb
Judge Bomb
Shiff Bomb
Kokesh Bomb
Rand Bomb

Unleash the MOAB.

Unify the message and coordinate the candidates. Mass blitz. If all of these men come down on this hard, using every appearance and interview as an opportunity to make the case for 1207 we might push it over. Combined with heavy pressure on the sponsors.

Spike
10-30-2009, 08:26 PM
That's a great idea. More.....

Getting Paul to call upon the public to protest this would be wonderful. Would he go that far?

He must. Previous leaders have called for civil disobedience. MLK Jr led marches. We are at that point again. Dr. Paul, whether he likes it or not, is a leader now, and he must heed this calling. Nobody else in America has the same qualifications as him. From the streets to D.C., Dr. Paul must lead!

JoshLowry
10-30-2009, 08:29 PM
they do this shit on a friday after hours so itll be forgotten about come monday.. they do this same shit with the stock market all the time too..

and of course guy has an answering machine on.. nobody is at the office..

Halloween weekend too...

kathy88
10-30-2009, 08:30 PM
I just sent the following email to Glen Beck and his producer.

The subject line reads: WE NEED YOUR HELP!!!! HR1207 BEING DERAILED!!!!!!!


HR 1207, the Bill to audit the Fed we worked so hard on to get the necessary co-sponsorship is in serious danger of being bastardized beyond recognition by Mel Watt. PLEASE READ THE LINKED ARTICLE and GET THIS OUT THERE.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=atc2o1ijLRno

TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. This watered down version of Ron Paul's original bill will do NOTHING to thwart big banking control of our Nation.

Thank you so much for reading this.

sluggo
10-30-2009, 08:31 PM
Surprise, surprise.

Take a look at who Mel Watt works for:

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/industries.php?cycle=2010&cid=N00002328&type=I

kathy88
10-30-2009, 08:32 PM
And I totally get credit for being bastardized beyond recognition :)

NYgs23
10-30-2009, 08:33 PM
Amazing. Months and months of effort, 75% popular support, 308 cosponsors, and one man can just up and change the language all around? I just love our democracy.

InTheoryTV
10-30-2009, 08:35 PM
This is to be expected. Now is the time to turn up the volume and get more people involved.

Start wearing your Ron Paul gear out around town again and see what response you are getting. I have done so 3 time in the past 10 days and people I have never met before are actively coming up to me and telling me how much they like the message and to end the fed. None of the people I talked to knew about our local liberty group nor the campaign for liberty which I educated them about. Let your voices be heard and educate.

Here is the Digg page for the story:
http://digg.com/politics/Federal_Reserve_Policy_Audit_Legislation_Gutted_Pa ul_Says

TheState
10-30-2009, 08:37 PM
What's our counter-attack? We need to plan something big.

kathy88
10-30-2009, 08:37 PM
This is to be expected. Now is the time to turn up the volume and get more people involved.

Start wearing your Ron Paul gear out around town again and see what response you are getting. I have done so 3 time in the past 10 days and people I have never met before are actively coming up to me and telling me how much they like the message and to end the fed. None of the people I talked to knew about our local liberty group nor the campaign for liberty which I educated them about. Let your voices be heard and educate.

Here is the Digg page for the story:
http://digg.com/politics/Federal_Reserve_Policy_Audit_Legislation_Gutted_Pa ul_Says



Is there any gear left over from the campaign? I'm getting ideas for very early christmas gifts.

SwordOfShannarah
10-30-2009, 08:38 PM
We absolutely need to remove Mel Watt from office.

purplechoe
10-30-2009, 08:40 PM
http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/000-0928095015-Obama_Bernanke_Geithner_FAIL.png

http://libertymaven.com/wp-content/uploads/domh.jpg

JoshLowry
10-30-2009, 08:40 PM
Watt is nothing short of a traitor to our Republic.

What a slime ball sell out.

torchbearer
10-30-2009, 08:40 PM
We absolutely need to remove Mel Watt from office.

what state/district is he in and is there anyone running against him?
I don't care if it is a neocon. the guy must go.

NYgs23
10-30-2009, 08:41 PM
Surprise, surprise.

Take a look at who Mel Watt works for:

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/industries.php?cycle=2010&cid=N00002328&type=I

Yes, and among the honorable congressman's top individual contributors:

Citigroup
American Bankers Assn
Verizon
AT&T
Wal-Mart
Bank of America
General Electric
Lockheed-Martin

I just love these Democrats protecting us from the big corporations.

Mel Watt received 89% of his campaign donations this year from PAC contributions.

Ron Paul, by contrast, received 4% of his campaign donations from PACs.

kathy88
10-30-2009, 08:42 PM
what state/district is he in and is there anyone running against him?
I don't care if it is a neocon. the guy must go.



his opponent is going to get some mad cash

Dieseler
10-30-2009, 08:43 PM
12th District of North Carolina

LMAO, check out that crooked ass bullshit fucking district map.
http://watt.house.gov/SupportingFiles/documents/NC12_109.pdf

torchbearer
10-30-2009, 08:43 PM
his opponent is going to get some mad cash

North Carolina 12th district- who is running in that race?

purplechoe
10-30-2009, 08:43 PM
http://www.vote-usa.org/images/Candidates/NCWattMelvinL.jpg
This is the face of our new enemy!!!

torchbearer
10-30-2009, 08:44 PM
ok, here is his race-
http://www.opensecrets.org/races/summary.php?id=NC12&cycle=2010

kathy88
10-30-2009, 08:46 PM
Giddyup there's a Libertarian running. Who can get the down low on the two opponents?

torchbearer
10-30-2009, 08:46 PM
if its a democratic district, we need someone running in the democratic primary.

Dieseler
10-30-2009, 08:47 PM
ok, here is his race-
http://www.opensecrets.org/races/summary.php?id=NC12&cycle=2010

Paul Allen Johnson (R) MoneyBomb?

klamath
10-30-2009, 08:47 PM
I knew this was coming when Frank wouldn't let it out of commitee to be voted on. He turned it over to someone he knew would gut it. Then when he throws a few bones Our way by returning one or two teeth to the bill later he expects us to kiss his A**.

purplechoe
10-30-2009, 08:48 PM
ok, here is his race-
http://www.opensecrets.org/races/summary.php?id=NC12&cycle=2010

Money bomb for Paul Allen Johnson? Poor guy only raised $133. Any info on him? A neocon?

kathy88
10-30-2009, 08:48 PM
Paul Allen Johnson (R) MoneyBomb?


If we do this, he needs to know where the cash is coming from and why, and be inagreement with our cause, yes?

NYgs23
10-30-2009, 08:48 PM
His district certainly has a, um, peculiar shape...

http://api.ning.com/files/Apx093rhBK1rLYze-6nxjkBH5c-QX2YmO7242Cgc6dLvjDX7RcY6VwBDnvVvHxXtupQBWNUabmvkf bObsiTRuYrny9lRa85c/NorthCarolinas12thcongressionaldistrict.gif

http://www.alphadictionary.com/images/gerrymander_big.gif

Dieseler
10-30-2009, 08:50 PM
If we do this, he needs to know where the cash is coming from and why, and be inagreement with our cause, yes?

Agreed, or this guy Lon Cecil?
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/lon-cecil/11/b60/407

Not sure if this is the guy or not, right state.

torchbearer
10-30-2009, 08:51 PM
here is Paul Johnsons Fec page: http://images.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?C00466987
His contact info should be inside it.
he doesn't have a website.

kathy88
10-30-2009, 08:51 PM
Lon is apparently into ham radio, according to Google. Like him already :)

torchbearer
10-30-2009, 08:52 PM
but if you we a Ron Paul Revolutionary in that district, we need him to run as a democrat.
I have a feeling this district is carved out to be a democrat majority district.

Dieseler
10-30-2009, 08:52 PM
His district certainly has a, um, peculiar shape...

http://api.ning.com/files/Apx093rhBK1rLYze-6nxjkBH5c-QX2YmO7242Cgc6dLvjDX7RcY6VwBDnvVvHxXtupQBWNUabmvkf bObsiTRuYrny9lRa85c/NorthCarolinas12thcongressionaldistrict.gif

http://www.alphadictionary.com/images/gerrymander_big.gif

Well, you could raise enough cash to pull the Titanic up and not unseat this mother fucker.
Look at that map lol.
This is the kind of bullshit that needs to be done away with.

Dionysus
10-30-2009, 08:53 PM
Mel Watt be hella paid! He even got Gucci sheets!

kathy88
10-30-2009, 08:53 PM
Is it too late to declare candidacy?

kathy88
10-30-2009, 08:54 PM
Who is active in that area? Do we have any sympathetic pissed off dems? I bet there's a ton who got bamboozled by hopeandchange

torchbearer
10-30-2009, 08:55 PM
Watts only has $140,000 on hand. He isn't expecting serious opposition. we can catch him with his pants down.

kathy88
10-30-2009, 08:55 PM
We need to get the CFL in that area on this immediately.

kathy88
10-30-2009, 08:56 PM
Watts only has $140,000 on hand. He isn't expecting serious opposition. we can catch him with his pants down.

Wouldn't he shit if some unknown raised 100K in a day?

torchbearer
10-30-2009, 08:56 PM
we need an email for Johnson or someone on his committee.

Mike4Freedom
10-30-2009, 08:57 PM
We need to start with bombarding his office with phone calls, all of them. Each one of us should call ten+ times a day, just keep calling. Anybody that lives in the NC or DC area should be in front of Watts office.

This man is part of the bankers that are screwing us over. He is an enemy of freedom.

Dieseler
10-30-2009, 08:57 PM
Watts only has $140,000 on hand. He isn't expecting serious opposition. we can catch him with his pants down.

What I'm saying Brent is that all the money in the world ain't gonna help us bus in more votes than this guy.
Look at the map.
I'll donate but that map is as crooked as what this Rep did to our Bill.

torchbearer
10-30-2009, 08:59 PM
What I'm saying Brent is that all the money in the world ain't gonna help us bus in more votes than this guy.
Look at the map.
I'll donate but that map is as crooked as what this Rep did to our Bill.

If we have C4L guys in that area- we may have a shot at the GOTV.

Kevin_Kennedy
10-30-2009, 09:00 PM
I don't think we should waste resources on trying to oust him from office if his opponent is a neocon. There'd be no point to it.

rp08orbust
10-30-2009, 09:01 PM
Just found this news. My first thought: This calls for another presidential run by Ron Paul.

torchbearer
10-30-2009, 09:02 PM
ok- got the info on Johnson:

his website: http://nc12thdistrict.com (doesn't register in google search)

his email: pauljohnson(at)nc12thdistrict.com

Epic
10-30-2009, 09:03 PM
http://www.vote-usa.org/images/Candidates/NCWattMelvinL.jpg
This is the face of our new enemy!!!

Shit now they are gonna say we're racist

torchbearer
10-30-2009, 09:04 PM
Johnson's issues page:


High Taxes- People aren’t worried about paying a fair share of taxes, but when you pay 25 cents on every dollar you make, it adds up quickly, not to mention we have one of the highest corporate tax rate in the world at 35%. That does not attract business for our communities.

I would immediately once in office put legislation in that would cut taxes across the board. In order for us to be competitive in the world economy our corporate tax rate needs to be cut from 35% to 25% to be competitive in a global market.

This will attract companies to do business here, and hire Americans to go back to work. It’s simple, the more companies you have, the more tax revenue it will generate. Without these businesses we have no taxes to collect or any jobs for the community. I want to cut taxes for the people and the businesses that employ them. It's better to have four businesses giving 25% tax revenue because they were able to open that business due to lower taxes. Than to have one business giving 35% because it was large enough to stay in business.


Veterans- I will always look after the welfare of our veterans. Our veterans are the reason we have our freedoms that we enjoy today, and we owe it to them to make sure they receive the best care possible, and as a veteran myself I know how frustrating it can be when dealing with Veteran Affairs. I will work with the VA to make the system run smoother and efficiently.

Illegal Immigration- We need to close our borders. That’s the first thing. Second is that we need to deport anyone found here illegally after a five month amnesty. Anyone found here illegally after that period will forfeit any right to apply for any type of visa to come back to the U.S. If they are the parents of American children under the age of 21 then they must fill out immigration forms to apply for legal status.

I don't believe in splitting up any family and that's been the biggest issue when it comes to immigration reform. We can show compassion and uphold the laws of our country at the same time. Its just not fair to the people waiting to come here legally and it's time to finally tackle this issue and do the right thing on behalf of law abiding immigrants waiting to come here legally.


Border Security- We have to close our borders with a fence having only legal crossing points, before we can begin to fix illegal immigration. Not to mention the security risk of our country depends on knowing who is coming and going across the border. People have an argument about the cost but the savings it would provide in relation to the government programs that support people here illegally would pay for it over time. This would end up saving billions of dollars for the tax payer.


Government Waste- Any projects that I see that has anything to do with wasting money on ridiculous ideas will be put out to the media immediately to inform the public of the waste that’s going on. Example: 1 million dollar study on swine odor would be out in the open immediately. I will not stand by and watch representatives waste our money any longer. Our elected officials must be held accountable for waiting our money.


Individual Rights- The Constitution outlines individual rights within the Bill of Rights, and nobody should be without those rights except by due process of law. Meaning that once convicted of a crime that individual loses some rights because of incarceration or as convicted felon. An example being, the right to buy or own a firearm. Only then can individual rights be infringed on.


Economic Prosperity- This goes hand-in-hand with the importance of tax cuts. High taxes are the main reason we can’t attract more foreign companies to invest here, and other American companies to expand. That’s why so many companies that were here in our communities are gone. It made more sense for them to move out to be more profitable and to stay in business.

The main reason these companies are in business is the bottom line, and that’s to make money. There is no reason for any company to invest in our community because they lose most of their money in taxes. We have the facilities and the work force that is as good as any in the world here in our community for businesses to open their doors. The only problem is that they lose their bottom line in taxes, and it’s a lose-lose all around.

The government loses out on taxes that it could be getting, and we lose out on the jobs that are desperately needed here in our district, and the community looses out because if there are no jobs then no one will be spending their paychecks at our local stores. It starts at the top with the government and works its way down just like that. That's why you always hear some politicians talking about cutting taxes, because it's the most important item that businesses look at before they open their doors. If we want our economy to bounce back and be more robust we must cut taxes. I would also suspend the capital gains tax for two years to get investors back.

We also need to cut the size of government. Keep the programs that work and do away with the ones that don't. We can't continue with big government programs. If we keep going down the road we're on we'll have a bankrupt nation and a country that we wont recognize.

Education: I believe that our schools should strive beyond the minimum standard, and teachers should be rewarded for their student exceeding the 85 percentile on mandatory standardized test.

I believe any public school should be on the same level of education as any private school. Generally speaking kids from private school test higher on acceptance exams for college. Every child should have the same educational experience in public school as they have in private school. The last thing to be cut in any budget should be education. We owe it to the future of our country to give our children the best education possible across the board. Our children are our future, and an investment in them is an investment in our country.


The 2nd Amendment: I support the rights of our citizens to bear arms. I believe everyone has the right to defend themselves in the face of deadly force. I also believe people have the right to defend themselves in their own homes. We should have a federal concealed carry permit. Individual states shouldn't be allowed to infringe on law abiding citizens that pass a required background check the right to carry a concealed weapon for protection.


National Security: We must be on top of this issue every day and equip our men and women with the best equipment to protect us from those who would look to do harm to our country and people. Every department from our local police to the CIA. They must have the total support of our elected officials to do their job.

They should never have to second guess their decisions in the field once guidance has been given by our elected officials. Our lives depend on the decisions they must make in the field.

We must also keep our military well trained and well equipped and give them the support to do the job they volunteered to do and support their families that are left behind as their loved one goes into harms way on our behalf.

We must also coordinate with our friends for the common good of our nations. We can't defeat terrorist alone, it takes an international effort. We have to share information and coordinate jointly with our allies to ensure national security. National security reaches beyond our borders and we must not let politics get in the way of our safety.

Health Care: This has become a hot topic recently, but I believe it can be resolved without becoming a huge bureaucratic nightmare that cost trillions of dollars.

The first thing needed is to control cost by reforming the laws that let in frivolous lawsuits costing doctors hundreds of thousands of dollars in malpractice insurance. Let in competition. North Carolina only has twenty licensed health insurance companies according to the NC Board of Insurance. How can competition control cost when we only have twenty companies competing out of the over 1000 health insurance companies in the country.

Government should only provide services that the private sector or individuals can't. Insurance companies should not be allowed to drop anyone from coverage because they never told them they had acne as a kid when they are being treated for cancer. One has nothing to do with the other. Regulation of the health insurance industry should be more stringent to ensure this type of abuse isn't tolerated and is met with steep fines.

The one thing that government can help with that the private sector can't is the pre-existing condition. It's not fair to the insurance industry to be forced to insure a pre-existing condition. You wouldn't expect a car insurance company to fix a damaged car that you just bought.

As we all know that when we lose our jobs we can count on the unemployment insurance to help us out as we search for employment elsewhere. I propose we have the same type of protection when it comes to health care. This helps prevent any laps in coverage for families.

I would also propose that any person that can be shown after a budget counseling to be able to afford private health insurance be required to purchase that health insurance before applying for the governments pre-existing insurance.

This government insurance should be set up in a way that has guidelines to prevent abuse, and fraud. This system should only be available for people with pre-existing conditions from birth, and catastrophic illnesses. Catastrophic illness is defined as a life threatening, and debilitating condition that is beyond the financial ability of the individual to pay according to budget guidelines.

Any person applying for this benefit must show proper identification to include a birth certificate, state or federal identification card, and original social security card. Let's try not to complicate this issue with a big bureaucracy. Let's start simple to keep the cost of this program down.


Voter Fraud: We must take this issue seriously. After seeing the voter fraud scandals perpetrated by community organizations we need national standards that are as strict as getting a social security or identification card.

No one except the individual should be allowed to register to vote and they should provide proof of residence, social security card, proof of citizenship, and a state or federal ID. We have strict guidance in order to get a drivers license but anyone can sign a voter registration form and send it in with no verification.

During elections citizens must provide a state or federal ID along with their voter registration card before being permitted to vote. Common sense needs to be applied here. A strict national standard must be applied to ensure our elections are legitimate. This issue cuts to the heart of our democracy and should be treated with the standards it deserves.

Mike4Freedom
10-30-2009, 09:04 PM
I just called all three of his offices and left a message saying he sold out this country and the people he represents.

klamath
10-30-2009, 09:05 PM
Surprise, surprise.

Take a look at who Mel Watt works for:

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/industries.php?cycle=2010&cid=N00002328&type=I

Commercial Banks $15,000 $0 $15,000
Securities & Investment $8,000 $0 $8,000
Public Sector Unions $7,500 $0 $7,500
Lawyers/Law Firms $5,000 $1,000 $4,000
Building Trade Unions $5,000 $0 $5,000
Industrial Unions $5,000 $0 $5,000
Telephone Utilities $4,000 $0 $4,000
Computers/Internet $2,500 $0 $2,500
Beer, Wine & Liquor $2,500 $0 $2,500
Real Estate $2,000 $0 $2,000
Misc Finance $2,000 $0 $2,000
TV/Movies/Music $2,000 $0 $2,000
Finance/Credit Companies $2,000 $0 $2,000
Telecom Services & Equipment $1,500 $0 $1,500
Retail Sales $1,500 $0 $1,500
Health Professionals $1,000 $0 $1,000
Insurance $1,000 $0 $1,000
Defense Aerospace $1,000 $0 $1,000
Electric Utilities $1,000 $0 $1,000
Credit Unions $1,000 $0 $1,000

torchbearer
10-30-2009, 09:05 PM
ok, we need to work on a proposal letter to this guy, if he will openly support our views, we can get him some cash.
but he must take Watts to task in the media for siding with the bankers.

InTheoryTV
10-30-2009, 09:06 PM
EMERGENCY - Audit the Fed Bill in Trouble
by YouTube user: JiveDadson
YouTube - EMERGENCY - Audit the Fed Bill in Trouble (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLwBLQ6DZjI)

torchbearer
10-30-2009, 09:08 PM
http://nc12thdistrict.com/images/in_country_041.jpgPaul Johnson is a Marine.

Epic
10-30-2009, 09:09 PM
45% black
7% hispanic
47% white

D+16 (16 percent more democratic than average, so if national is 50-50 then this district is 66-34 Democrat)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina's_12th_congressional_district

Mel Watt has been in office since 1993

Not worth a challenge sorry

torchbearer
10-30-2009, 09:11 PM
45% black
7% hispanic
47% white

D+16 (16 percent more democratic than average, so if national is 50-50 then this district is 66-34 Democrat)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina's_12th_congressional_district

Mel Watt has been in office since 1993

Not worth a challenge sorry

I'd disagree. We must cause Watts pain- even if he still wins- we need media ads running in his district telling people there what he did.

devil21
10-30-2009, 09:13 PM
I'm pissed but I'm not the least bit surprised. To be expected in the corrupted politics of today. We knew they weren't going down without a huge fight. It's only the beginning.

Now, I want to know how one man can single-handedly gut an entire bill that has 307 cosponsors on his own decision? Who the hell is Mel Watt and why can he do this? Barney Frank is chairman of RP's committee, not Mel Watt, right? Can someone elaborate on how this is even possible? I want to make sure that this is completely accurate before we start responding. So far our ONLY source is a single Bloomberg article. RP himself hasn't said anything of this nature so I'm curious why it's suddenly in a MSM media outlet. I would have expected a CFL video before this article.

We MUST wait for confirmation before acting. Always remember that there are certain people that would love to provoke us into doing something stupid without having all the facts!!

klamath
10-30-2009, 09:17 PM
His district certainly has a, um, peculiar shape...

http://api.ning.com/files/Apx093rhBK1rLYze-6nxjkBH5c-QX2YmO7242Cgc6dLvjDX7RcY6VwBDnvVvHxXtupQBWNUabmvkf bObsiTRuYrny9lRa85c/NorthCarolinas12thcongressionaldistrict.gif

http://www.alphadictionary.com/images/gerrymander_big.gif

yep thats a classic one. I am sure every black person in that area is in that district. We will need a black anti fed democrat running against him.

Dieseler
10-30-2009, 09:19 PM
I'd disagree. We must cause Watts pain- even if he still wins- we need media ads running in his district telling people there what he did.

I think so to.
It won't cost us a lot individually but combined in effort we can make this bitch squeal.
Unleash the hounds.

torchbearer
10-30-2009, 09:20 PM
I think so to.
It won't cost us a lot individually but combined in effort we can make this bitch squeal.
Unleash the hounds.

I don't assume I speak for all of us- should I contact Johnson in regards to this matter?

Ninja Homer
10-30-2009, 09:21 PM
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/1201/wattjoker.jpg

NYgs23
10-30-2009, 09:22 PM
If you really want to know about Paul Johnson, don't look at his "issues page" look at his Watt's Record Page (http://nc12thdistrict.com/Watt_s_Voting_Record.html).

Presumably, we would expect Paul Johnson to list Watt's votes that he disagrees with, right?

Well, about 75% thing I see on that list has to do with Watt voting against the war and the police state. Johnson is displeased that Watt voted against the RealID Act, against the Military Commissions Act, against the Iraq War, against the DHS, against a bill to "prohibit insurers from refusing coverage based on health status"! It's enough to make me like Mel Watt now!

Dieseler
10-30-2009, 09:22 PM
I don't assume I speak for all of us- should I contact Johnson in regards to this matter?

Lets get a consensus.
Maybe another thread, I dunno.
Little more brainstorming.
You are the man though, think it out and pull the trigger.

devil21
10-30-2009, 09:22 PM
WAIT FOR FURTHER CONFIRMATION FROM RP AND CFL BEFORE DOING ANYTHING ELSE!

I say again, there are people that would love to provoke us into acting quickly without confirmation or all the facts. This is from BLOOMBERG people! They are NOT our friends.

WE MUST HAVE CONFIRMATION DIRECTLY FROM RP AND CFL BEFORE ACTING!

torchbearer
10-30-2009, 09:23 PM
If you really want to know about Paul Johnson, don't look at his "issues page" look at his Watt's Record Page (http://nc12thdistrict.com/Watt_s_Voting_Record.html).

Presumably, we would expect Paul Johnson to list Watt's votes that he disagrees with, right?

Well, about 75% thing I see on that list has to do with Watt voting against the war and the police state. Johnson is displeased that Watt voted against the RealID Act, against the Military Commissions Act, against the Iraq War, against the DHS, against a bill to "prohibit insurers from refusing coverage based on health status"! It's enough to make me like Mel Watt now!

until you remember that Watts is in the pockets of the Fed, and Johnson doesn't have a clue about what is going on in washington. He is a Fox News product that may be saved.

AuH20
10-30-2009, 09:23 PM
Listen to this schill:


YouTube - 09 07 21 Mel Watt questions Bernanke (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI-VDDJNzuk&feature=related)

klamath
10-30-2009, 09:23 PM
I'm pissed but I'm not the least bit surprised. To be expected in the corrupted politics of today. We knew they weren't going down without a huge fight. It's only the beginning.

Now, I want to know how one man can single-handedly gut an entire bill that has 307 cosponsors on his own decision? Who the hell is Mel Watt and why can he do this? Barney Frank is chairman of RP's committee, not Mel Watt, right? Can someone elaborate on how this is even possible? I want to make sure that this is completely accurate before we start responding. So far our ONLY source is a single Bloomberg article. RP himself hasn't said anything of this nature so I'm curious why it's suddenly in a MSM media outlet. I would have expected a CFL video before this article.

We MUST wait for confirmation before acting. Always remember that there are certain people that would love to provoke us into doing something stupid without having all the facts!!


Because Frank handed the bill to Watt to amend and attach to the huge federal banking regulation bill. Frank is who we really should be going after. Don't tell me he didn't know Watt would do this.

Dieseler
10-30-2009, 09:24 PM
WAIT FOR FURTHER CONFIRMATION FROM RP AND CFL BEFORE DOING ANYTHING ELSE!

I say again, there are people that would love to provoke us into acting quickly without confirmation or all the facts. This is from BLOOMBERG people! They are NOT our friends.

WE MUST HAVE CONFIRMATION DIRECTLY FROM RP AND CFL BEFORE ACTING!


Good Point.
We surely have time to observe a few news cycles before committing to any certain action.

torchbearer
10-30-2009, 09:24 PM
Lets get a consensus.
Maybe another thread, I dunno.
Little more brainstorming.
You are the man though, think it out and pull the trigger.

i'll email him and see if I can get him on the phone this weekend for a lil' heart to heart.

AuH20
10-30-2009, 09:25 PM
Because Frank handed the bill to Watt to amend and attach to the huge federal banking regulation bill. Frank is who we really should be going after. Don't tell me he didn't know Watt would do this.

Frank has too much public scrutiny on his person to kill it directly. He needed a lesser known like Watt to do his bidding.

awake
10-30-2009, 09:26 PM
“There’s nothing left, it’s been gutted,” he said in a telephone interview. “This is not a partisan issue. People all over the country want to know what the Fed is up to, and this legislation was supposed to help them do that.” Ron Paul

AuH20
10-30-2009, 09:29 PM
Connect the dots people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:



Opposition to increased oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac

In 2003 Watt vehemently opposed efforts by the George W. Bush administration and Congressional Republicans to increase regulatory oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.[7] "I don't see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing", Mr. Watt said.[7] Watt said that "Brad Miller and I were at the forefront of that more than anybody else in America" in trying to prevent the financial crisis, despite the fact that Watt's stated position was against an increase and more oversight for high risk lending.[8]
[edit] References

He will not let them shut off the spigots!

sluggo
10-30-2009, 09:32 PM
How do we get this to come up as the first hit on a Google image search for Mel Watt?



http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/1201/wattjoker.jpg

torchbearer
10-30-2009, 09:33 PM
ok, what do you think of this email before i send it:


Dear Sir,



I'm contacting you on behalf of Liberty Movement- in particular- the guys from http://www.libertyforest.com

We recieved word tonight that Mr. Watts has gutted Ron Paul's bill HR1207 that would allow for the first ever independent audit of the federal reserve.

This move has angered many americans, and the word is just getting out.



We have discussed options of possibly funding your race in the same magnitude that we have with Dr. Rand Paul and Peter Schiff- both of whom have raised over a million dollars each from our grassroots movement.



Our hesitation with supporting anyone is knowing their dedication to the U.S. Constitution and their dedication to the advice of our founders.

We have some upcoming fundraising events, and we may decide to include you in those moneybombs.



If possible, i'd like to talk to you over the phone to see if you are indeed someone who is worthy of our support.

It would be our greatest desire to remove Watts from office, and at the very least- expose him for what he has done.



You can reach my at my personal cell- xxx-xxx-xxxx(call anytime)

or you can send me contact info and a good time to call.



I look forward to hearing from you.

YumYum
10-30-2009, 09:34 PM
yep thats a classic one. I am sure every black person in that area is in that district. We will need a black anti fed democrat running against him.

BlackTerrel??

klamath
10-30-2009, 09:36 PM
WAIT FOR FURTHER CONFIRMATION FROM RP AND CFL BEFORE DOING ANYTHING ELSE!

I say again, there are people that would love to provoke us into acting quickly without confirmation or all the facts. This is from BLOOMBERG people! They are NOT our friends.

WE MUST HAVE CONFIRMATION DIRECTLY FROM RP AND CFL BEFORE ACTING!

Well if it is a hoax, a lot of congressmen are going to get a good idea not to mess with HR 1207. I already emailed my congressmen.:D

devil21
10-30-2009, 09:36 PM
Because Frank handed the bill to Watt to amend and attach to the huge federal banking regulation bill. Frank is who we really should be going after. Don't tell me he didn't know Watt would do this.

That's kinda my point though. How can Watt just amend 1207 as he sees fit? Isn't his job to just compile the different bills together into one properly formatted large bill for a vote? I want to see how Watt's arbitrary changing of the contents of 1207 as part of the process is legal and proper. Where is his authority to do so?

Dieseler
10-30-2009, 09:38 PM
ok, what do you think of this email before i send it:

Looks good.

torchbearer
10-30-2009, 09:39 PM
Looks good.

email sent.
i'll ask him about real-id, military commission act, etc.
as a marine, he swore to protect and defend the constitution. I will see if he can reconcile his positions with his oath.

Dieseler
10-30-2009, 09:40 PM
That's kinda my point though. How can Watt just amend 1207 as he sees fit? Isn't his job to just compile the different bills together into one properly formatted large bill for a vote? I want to see how Watt's arbitrary changing of the contents of 1207 as part of the process is legal and proper. Where is his authority to do so?

I would love to understand this myself. All I can see is that Barney Blank is the Chairman and thus he has the power to delegate that power to his slicer / dicer watt.

torchbearer
10-30-2009, 09:40 PM
maybe we can compile a list of questions for me to ask him, assuming he calls.

Dieseler
10-30-2009, 09:41 PM
email sent.
i'll ask him about real-id, military commission act, etc.
as a marine, he swore to protect and defend the constitution. I will see if he can reconcile his positions with his oath.

Hit him with Oathkeepers to.
Thanks man, your above and beyond.

torchbearer
10-30-2009, 09:43 PM
Hit him with Oathkeepers to.
Thanks man, your above and beyond.

well, this shit has pissed me off thoroughly.
Before I pick up my rifle, I want to know that I tried every peaceful avenue first.
Let it not be said that we did nothing.

ShowMeLiberty
10-30-2009, 09:43 PM
How do we get this to come up as the first hit on a Google image search for Mel Watt?

I just blogged it under the title "Mel Watt - Fed Shill (http://13oclock.wordpress.com/2009/10/30/mel-watt-fed-shill/)". Blog it, Digg it, post it on other forums - get it out on the web everywhere (the picture, I mean, not necessarily my blog, though you're welcome to do that too :o ). Just make sure to use the words "Mel Watt Fed Shill" so that phrase will be rise to the top of the search engines.


ok, what do you think of this email before i send it:


Well done. Very well done. :)

klamath
10-30-2009, 09:44 PM
That's kinda my point though. How can Watt just amend 1207 as he sees fit? Isn't his job to just compile the different bills together into one properly formatted large bill for a vote? I want to see how Watt's arbitrary changing of the contents of 1207 as part of the process is legal and proper. Where is his authority to do so?
commitee chairmen have huge authority to mess with legislation. That is why it is such a big deal if one party or the other has the majority. The chairmen posts almost always goes to the majority party even if there is only a one vote majority in the whole house or senate.

Dieseler
10-30-2009, 09:46 PM
well, this shit has pissed me off thoroughly.
Before I pick up my rifle, I want to know that I tried every peaceful avenue first.
Let it not be said that we did nothing.

I think we are in agreement what Zombies look like now.

devil21
10-30-2009, 09:50 PM
commitee chairmen have huge authority to mess with legislation. That is why it is such a big deal if one party or the other has the majority. The chairmen posts almost always goes to the majority party even if there is only a one vote majority in the whole house or senate.

Again, Frank is the chairman, not Watt. I mean, if this is really what happens then it sounds like 99% of the legislative process is simply a show. One friggin guy that has no position of authority on the committee can amend and gut a bill sponsored by 307 members???

That's like saying Obama can just designate someone else as POTUS for the day if he's not feeling well. Certainly not arguing with you here. Just more frustrated and I know this is not how the Founders intended for Congress to be run. The oligarchy becomes more obvious by the day.

davesxj
10-30-2009, 09:55 PM
I'm pissed but I'm not the least bit surprised. To be expected in the corrupted politics of today. We knew they weren't going down without a huge fight. It's only the beginning.

Now, I want to know how one man can single-handedly gut an entire bill that has 307 cosponsors on his own decision? Who the hell is Mel Watt and why can he do this? Barney Frank is chairman of RP's committee, not Mel Watt, right? Can someone elaborate on how this is even possible? I want to make sure that this is completely accurate before we start responding. So far our ONLY source is a single Bloomberg article. RP himself hasn't said anything of this nature so I'm curious why it's suddenly in a MSM media outlet. I would have expected a CFL video before this article.

We MUST wait for confirmation before acting. Always remember that there are certain people that would love to provoke us into doing something stupid without having all the facts!!

Dude no one gives a shit about the CFL and what its members are doing. This is guerrilla warfare man. You can't be waiting for videos. That's like waiting for the dogs to bark before you start moving again. If we followed some wait and see play book, we'd be playing right into their game. Play some chess. You can't keep making the same moves playing against the grand money masters. So what if we email every senator and congressman about something that isn't true. It'll expose Bloomberg for the lying son's a bitches they are, that is if everyone gave a damn about honest media. Or it'll make us look like domestic terrorists.

Dionysus
10-30-2009, 09:56 PM
Call up Mel Watt and talk to him about the Constitution. He'll pretend to listen. When he hangs up he'll say this to himself...

YouTube - IM RICH BIATCH (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBgIlaTC0vo)

klamath
10-30-2009, 09:57 PM
Again, Frank is the chairman, not Watt. I mean, if this is really what happens then it sounds like 99% of the legislative process is simply a show. One friggin guy that has no position of authority on the committee can amend and gut a bill sponsored by 307 members???

That's like saying Obama can just designate someone else as POTUS for the day if he's not feeling well. Certainly not arguing with you here. Just more frustrated and I know this is not how the Founders intended for Congress to be run. The oligarchy becomes more obvious by the day.

"Watt is chairman of the panel’s domestic monetary policy and technology subcommittee."
Frank handed it to the democratic chairmen of this other committee.

AuH20
10-30-2009, 10:01 PM
Ok people. It's time to turn up the heat. Time to play hardball like the CIA does. We need to investigate this SOB and find out who he is working for. I never thought it would have to come to this.

Dieseler
10-30-2009, 10:08 PM
Ok people. It's time to turn up the heat. Time to play hardball like the CIA does. We need to investigate this SOB and find out who he is working for. I never thought it would have to come to this.

Gerrymandered district

The 12th district, in its original configuration, was criticized as a gerrymandered district. It was originally drawn in 1992[3] as a 64% black majority district stretching from Gastonia to Durham. It was very long and thin as it followed Interstate 85 almost exactly.[4][5] The Wall Street Journal called the district "political pornography" and Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor called the district's shape "bizarre" during the course of the eventual United States Supreme Court case involving the district, Shaw v. Reno. The district was thrown out as unconstitutional in 1996 and has been redrawn several times. Regardless of the district's configuration, Watt has had virtually no difficulty winning re-election in the always heavily Democratic district.
[edit] Ralph Nader incident

In 2004, Ralph Nader attended a meeting with the Congressional Black Caucus, where he alleges that Congressman Watt twice uttered an "obscene racial epithet" towards him. It was alleged that Watt said: "You're just another arrogant white man — telling us what we can do — it's all about your ego — another f--king arrogant white man." Although Nader wrote a letter to the Caucus and to Watt asking for an apology, none was offered.[6]

AuH20
10-30-2009, 10:10 PM
Gerrymandered district

The 12th district, in its original configuration, was criticized as a gerrymandered district. It was originally drawn in 1992[3] as a 64% black majority district stretching from Gastonia to Durham. It was very long and thin as it followed Interstate 85 almost exactly.[4][5] The Wall Street Journal called the district "political pornography" and Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor called the district's shape "bizarre" during the course of the eventual United States Supreme Court case involving the district, Shaw v. Reno. The district was thrown out as unconstitutional in 1996 and has been redrawn several times. Regardless of the district's configuration, Watt has had virtually no difficulty winning re-election in the always heavily Democratic district.
[edit] Ralph Nader incident

In 2004, Ralph Nader attended a meeting with the Congressional Black Caucus, where he alleges that Congressman Watt twice uttered an "obscene racial epithet" towards him. It was alleged that Watt said: "You're just another arrogant white man — telling us what we can do — it's all about your ego — another f--king arrogant white man." Although Nader wrote a letter to the Caucus and to Watt asking for an apology, none was offered.[6]

And as the article earlier noted his district is anchored by the Bank of America headquarters in Charlotte.

familydog
10-30-2009, 10:15 PM
I'm not surprised. All policies enacted by government are aimed at gaining power or maintaining power. As far as enacting change within the government, the entire "audit the fed" movement has been a waste of time.

I am happy to see that many new people have been introduced to the horrors of centralized banking and the fed though.

AuH20
10-30-2009, 10:15 PM
Another thought just struck me. I think it's fantastic that several of you already contacted Glenn Beck. He supposedly has a few "deep throat" types in Congress who tip him off on the inside scoop so to speak. Maybe he can retrieve a valuable lead which we can follow? What was Watt's main motivation in gutting the bill aside from democratic pressure? If it was democratic pressure? Where did it come from? Fed NY? BIS? Barney Frank? Larry Summers? where does the trail lead? And if I decide to follow it, can you vouch for me when my body finally surfaces? (j/k but not really.)

torchbearer
10-30-2009, 10:18 PM
As far as enacting change within the government, the entire "audit the fed" movement has been a waste of time.

as Paul has state before- we win either way.

Either we get the audit and we find out what they are doing- or they deny the audit and that proves that have something to hide.

It is now up to us to scream the news from our rooftops. Let our neighbors know.
Make it a rally cry.
As long as I am breathing- the battle for me isn't over.

familydog
10-30-2009, 10:27 PM
as Paul has state before- we win either way.

Either we get the audit and we find out what they are doing- or they deny the audit and that proves that have something to hide.

It is now up to us to scream the news from our rooftops. Let our neighbors know.
Make it a rally cry.
As long as I am breathing- the battle for me isn't over.

The "battle" isn't over for me, either. We simply have different goals.

This entire country (or perhaps government in general) is a sinking ship.

Ron Paul is correct when he states that either way liberty lovers "win." However, that "victory" is simply pyrrhic in nature.

Andrew-Austin
10-30-2009, 10:27 PM
His district certainly has a, um, peculiar shape...

http://api.ning.com/files/Apx093rhBK1rLYze-6nxjkBH5c-QX2YmO7242Cgc6dLvjDX7RcY6VwBDnvVvHxXtupQBWNUabmvkf bObsiTRuYrny9lRa85c/NorthCarolinas12thcongressionaldistrict.gif

http://www.alphadictionary.com/images/gerrymander_big.gif


http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/industries.php?cycle=2010&cid=N00002328&type=I

Hah... Democracy in action all right.

t0rnado
10-30-2009, 10:28 PM
http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2005/10/14/the-embarrassing-mel-watt/

He has also said that William Jefferson, the congressman that had $100k in his freezer, was removed from Congress because of racism. Mel Watt is just a fucking idiot.

Chester Copperpot
10-30-2009, 10:29 PM
Because Frank handed the bill to Watt to amend and attach to the huge federal banking regulation bill. Frank is who we really should be going after. Don't tell me he didn't know Watt would do this.

Thats exactly right. Barney Frank's only hold on grace has been Ron Paul sticking up for him.. Lets see what Ron has to say about this one..

Barney Frank may have done this to get the problem out of his hands; Its got to be a political hot potato.. But he's still a dipshit on my list for doing this.

Anti Federalist
10-30-2009, 10:34 PM
What do we do now?

Some strongly worded letters of disapproval will straighten this out.

tonesforjonesbones
10-30-2009, 10:34 PM
If you remember, that stupid watt guy was there with maxine willard waters when they were saying the guy who was in charge of Fannie Mae..that black man who extorted millions, was an upstanding guy, and called them racists when they tried to take him down. tones

Rael
10-30-2009, 10:35 PM
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=217033

devil21
10-30-2009, 10:35 PM
Dude no one gives a shit about the CFL and what its members are doing. This is guerrilla warfare man. You can't be waiting for videos. That's like waiting for the dogs to bark before you start moving again. If we followed some wait and see play book, we'd be playing right into their game. Play some chess. You can't keep making the same moves playing against the grand money masters. So what if we email every senator and congressman about something that isn't true. It'll expose Bloomberg for the lying son's a bitches they are, that is if everyone gave a damn about honest media. Or it'll make us look like domestic terrorists.

Fine, go ahead and fly off the handle, do something stupid and make all of us look bad based only on a sole Bloomberg article released on a friday night. You suddenly take the MSM at face value now?

It wouldn't be the first time a Paul supporter couldn't control themselves and wait for confirmation and did something that ended up setting us all back. There's nothing to be gained by jumping all over this on a Friday night without getting further confirmation that the content of the article is true.

Chester Copperpot
10-30-2009, 10:36 PM
can somebody email jesse benton or contact somebody in c4l ?

GunnyFreedom
10-30-2009, 10:38 PM
We can and WILL put a stop to this madness.

It was OUR relentless public pressure that forced them to cosponsor the bill in the first place. Now it's time to double-down and instigate the largest "once per day, EVERY day" contact campaign in American histor.

Alert your entire network to alert their entire network to alert their entire network, that every American needs to call, e-mail, fax, and snail-mail once per day EVERY DAY demanding:

1) reject Mel Watt's markup modifications to HR1207, and

2) vote YES on Ron Paul's amendment to restore the original text of HR1207

If we can get 2 million people to use every form of contact (telephone, e-mail, snail mail, and fax) once per day every single weekday from Monday through until the bill passes, then we will overwhelm them with more than 4 times the pressure that got them to cosponsor the bill in the first place.

We have 59 and a half hours to light up our networks and extended networks nationwide and start the contact campaign on Monday.

LETS DO IT!

raiha
10-30-2009, 10:49 PM
Well I can't do much over here except repost old youtubes:

YouTube - F**K The Fed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6Fpoebz2LE)

Ahhh that feels better!

davesxj
10-30-2009, 10:51 PM
Fine, go ahead and fly off the handle, do something stupid and make all of us look bad based only on a sole Bloomberg article released on a friday night. You suddenly take the MSM at face value now?

It wouldn't be the first time a Paul supporter couldn't control themselves and wait for confirmation and did something that ended up setting us all back. There's nothing to be gained by jumping all over this on a Friday night without getting further confirmation that the content of the article is true.

I said we need to start dropping email bombs like its no body's business. Free speech bro.. they can't stop us from emailing.. unless you think they're going to shut down the Internet and blame it on our email bombs.

The biggest lies are the easiest to hide. You gotta be watching the MSM on Friday night if you want to see hammers.

Dieseler
10-30-2009, 10:51 PM
Somebody post this over at GLP.
I would do it myself but my IP is banned for cussing somebody out over Dr. Paul.
It's a psycho house but it gets a lot of traffic and there's a ton of Ron Paul supporters over there constantly saying I told you so.
Use a really creative title to get views.

Brassmouth
10-30-2009, 10:56 PM
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2391108&postcount=54

Ninja Homer
10-30-2009, 11:08 PM
How do we get this to come up as the first hit on a Google image search for Mel Watt?

I put that image together real quick and dirty just to vent the anger I was feeling in (hopefully) a somewhat positive way. This one actually expresses how I feel more accurately, but I thought it may be a little too much.

http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/2724/wattjoker2.jpg

Epic
10-30-2009, 11:12 PM
I put that image together real quick and dirty just to vent the anger I was feeling in (hopefully) a somewhat positive way. This one actually expresses how I feel more accurately, but I thought it may be a little too much.

http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/2724/wattjoker2.jpg

+1861

(now it's civil war)

Dieseler
10-30-2009, 11:15 PM
I put that image together real quick and dirty just to vent the anger I was feeling in (hopefully) a somewhat positive way. This one actually expresses how I feel more accurately, but I thought it may be a little too much.

http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/2724/wattjoker2.jpg

Looks great to me for internet usage.

ShowMeLiberty
10-30-2009, 11:18 PM
YouTube - Tombstone - You tell 'em I'm comin'... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynKoZD-sFi4)

GunnyFreedom
10-30-2009, 11:22 PM
http://www.glenbradley.net/files/watts3.jpg

Chester Copperpot
10-30-2009, 11:23 PM
we need the pastor from the checkpoints to pray that these schmucks will all die of ebola

Dieseler
10-30-2009, 11:29 PM
http://www.glenbradley.net/files/watts3.jpg

Hell yeah, that's a goodun'

zach
10-30-2009, 11:31 PM
Yes, this sucks.

But do we realize the amount of knowledge about the Fed that has been brought up lately to the citizens?

This might be the first catalyst for a revolution to begin.

Without this bill being introduced, the liberty movement wouldn't be where it is today.

devil21
10-30-2009, 11:41 PM
It's far from over. Far, far from over.

Hmm...my idea would be to find out exactly when RP plans to introduce the amendment vote on the floor and have the House chamber PACKED with Paulites. The first person to object gets BOO'ED OUT OF THE ROOM! And of course the Capitol police will try to remove the Paul supporters and then it really gets interesting. Just a thought. Anybody like this idea?

Chester Copperpot
10-30-2009, 11:46 PM
ill drive the 4 hours to go into the house chamber.. didnt know we could do that.

NYgs23
10-31-2009, 12:11 AM
Again, Frank is the chairman, not Watt. I mean, if this is really what happens then it sounds like 99% of the legislative process is simply a show. One friggin guy that has no position of authority on the committee can amend and gut a bill sponsored by 307 members???

Watt's the subcommittee chairman of the subcommittee dealing with the issue.

Jeremy
10-31-2009, 12:17 AM
march? not if the end of the march is sitting down on the mall grounds with signs.
march the dudes house

Dieseler
10-31-2009, 12:18 AM
march the dudes house

Government sponsored ACORN would do that and get away with it.

fj45lvr
10-31-2009, 12:29 AM
I really believe that this is the best course of action if the people are serious about not being the "bitches" of the Banksters.....one by one....deal with their hired henchmen.....
"Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty."

There is NO FEAR of the people with these greedy men.....

what are we going to do about it???

The Federalist Papers give us the answers.

fj45lvr
10-31-2009, 12:33 AM
It's far from over. Far, far from over.

Hmm...my idea would be to find out exactly when RP plans to introduce the amendment vote on the floor and have the House chamber PACKED with Paulites. The first person to object gets BOO'ED OUT OF THE ROOM! And of course the Capitol police will try to remove the Paul supporters and then it really gets interesting. Just a thought. Anybody like this idea?


Hell yes. People have got to fight and fighting isn't pretty and isn't done by "playing by the rules"......

devil21
10-31-2009, 12:38 AM
I think something like this is going to have to be the first step. Something that no one can ignore and will draw further attention to the bill and what Watt is trying to do. The media won't be able to ignore it. I do NOT think violence is the answer at this point. These people just need to be reminded that there are real people that are not happy with what they are doing and aren't afraid to show it very personally. They feel insulated from the People and of course, "Out of sight, means out of mind."

Time to get back in sight.

http://www.visitthecapitol.gov/Visit/Frequently%20Asked%20Questions/#q25


How can I watch the House or Senate in session?
The Senate and House Galleries -- where visitors may watch the Senate or House in session -- are open to visitors whenever either body is in session. In addition, the House Gallery is open 9 a.m. – 4:30 p.m., Monday – Friday, when the House is not in session.
Gallery passes are required to enter either Gallery at any time. Visitors may obtain Gallery passes from the offices of their Senators or Representatives. Gallery passes are available for international visitors at the House and Senate Appointment Desks on the upper level of the Capitol Visitor Center near the main entrance.
The Gallery "staging areas" are located on the upper level of the Visitor Center near the Orientation Theater exits. Visitors are not allowed to bring battery-operated electronic devices (medical devices are permitted); cameras; creams, lotions or perfumes; strollers; or video recorders or any type of recording device into the Galleries. These items may be stored securely in the Gallery staging areas while visitors are in the Galleries.

qh4dotcom
10-31-2009, 12:46 AM
Bump

fj45lvr
10-31-2009, 12:50 AM
march the dudes house

Americans used to have the guts and conviction to do this:


"Bostonians suspected the removal of the Tea Tax was simply another attempt by the British parliament to squash American freedom. Samuel Adams, wealthy smugglers, and others who had profited from the smuggled tea called for agents and consignees of the East India Company tea to abandon their positions; consignees who hesitated were terrorized through attacks on their warehouses and even their homes"

I got to hand it to our forefathers, they really did know how to throw a revolution and didn't take any sh*t from WRONG DOING!!!

That was when men were men.

Captain Bryan
10-31-2009, 12:50 AM
I wanna hear Ron's take on this.

fj45lvr
10-31-2009, 01:04 AM
Yes, this sucks.

But do we realize the amount of knowledge about the Fed that has been brought up lately to the citizens?

This might be the first catalyst for a revolution to begin.

Without this bill being introduced, the liberty movement wouldn't be where it is today.

I agree with your sentiment to a very small degree.

The liberty movement has always been around (and it has pretty much ALWAYS been a minority of the populous).

The fact is that we are in a WAR and our "education" is like a BB-Gun compared to the Nuclear weapons that the ELITE have (media in back pockets, sellouts like Watt in control of political apperatise who select the JUDICIARY).

So if the minority that has taken the red pill increases from less than a percent to 4% what difference does it make when you still LOSE the battles and the WAR and are quashed by the "machine"??? The Islamic mujahideen are primarily in the same boat (unable to even overthrow most of their own States). Here in the states for every one person that "gets the message" there are 10,000 others that are converts to Michael Moore and Obama's Kool-aid.

Perium
10-31-2009, 01:05 AM
I wanna hear Ron's take on this.

I do also

Imperial
10-31-2009, 01:06 AM
I just wrote a pretty good write-up on HR 1207 and how it has been gutted for DailyKos. I will post it up in the morning there and here when more people are online and it can actually get attention.

reagle
10-31-2009, 01:32 AM
I just blogged it under the title "Mel Watt - Fed Shill (http://13oclock.wordpress.com/2009/10/30/mel-watt-fed-shill/)". Blog it, Digg it, post it on other forums - get it out on the web everywhere (the picture, I mean, not necessarily my blog, though you're welcome to do that too :o ). Just make sure to use the words "Mel Watt Fed Shill" so that phrase will be rise to the top of the search engines.




Well done. Very well done. :)



http://www.google.com/search?&q=%22+mel+watt%22+shill

purplechoe
10-31-2009, 01:43 AM
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aIww4fZIKpRM#

By Scott Lanman

Oct. 30 (Bloomberg) -- Federal Reserve regional bank presidents are trying to ward off congressional efforts to weaken their clout, saying the moves may jeopardize monetary policy independence.

Kansas City Fed president Thomas Hoenig is circulating a book titled “The Balance of Power: The Political Fight for an Independent Central Bank.” Charles Plosser of Philadelphia said on Sept. 29, “we must preserve” the Fed’s structure.

Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd and Barney Frank, his House counterpart, have said they may change how Fed presidents are chosen or curb their power. Presidents aren’t appointed by Congress and are partly selected by banks, which lawmakers say share blame for the financial crisis. The danger is that Congress, by altering the selection process, may gain enough influence over monetary policy to thwart Fed efforts to tighten credit in coming years and keep prices from surging.

“If Congress interferes with the Fed’s ability to do what has to be done, it could have major negative effects on the economy through its impact on inflation,” said former Fed Governor Lyle Gramley, 82. The threat to central bank autonomy “looks to be the worst that I can recall in my lifetime.”

U.S. stocks, bonds and the dollar would collapse if investors perceive Congress violating the independence of the policy-setting Federal Open Market Committee, said Former Fed Governor Laurence Meyer, now vice chairman of Macroeconomic Advisers LLC.

Board Vacancies

The Fed is run by a seven-member Board of Governors in Washington, headed by Chairman Ben S. Bernanke, and 12 banks representing different regions. The governors serve 14-year terms, and there are two vacancies on the board.

The regional Fed presidents, unlike the governors, aren’t selected by politicians in Washington. Governors are nominated by the president and confirmed by the Senate. By contrast, the Fed bank chiefs are nominated by private boards of directors, partly composed of commercial bankers, and confirmed by the Washington-based governors.

The governors and the New York Fed president have permanent votes on the Federal Open Market Committee, which meets about every six weeks to set the benchmark interest rate. The other 11 district-bank presidents vote every two or three years on a rotating basis.

Congressional scrutiny follows criticism that the Fed failed to adequately supervise banks and, after the financial crisis erupted, exposed taxpayers to losses by bailing out American International Group Inc. and other firms.

Under Fire

The central bank has also come under fire for granting a waiver allowing a former Goldman Sachs Group Inc. chairman to remain on the board of the New York Fed after the company opted to come under Fed oversight.

“The antagonism in the Congress toward the Fed is larger than I can recall,” said Gramley, who joined the Kansas City Fed as an economist in 1955 and is now senior economic adviser to New York-based Soleil Securities Corp.

Dodd, a Democrat from Connecticut, and Senator Richard Shelby of Alabama, the banking committee’s top Republican, plan to consider stripping commercial banks’ power to appoint regional Fed presidents as part of an overhaul of regulation.

Allowing banks to select their supervisors is “absolutely backwards,” Dodd said this month, without mentioning Fed interest-rate policy.

“There is an inherent conflict of interest in the selection of reserve presidents,” Shelby said in an Oct. 14 interview.

Commercial Banks

Commercial banks currently elect two-thirds of regional- bank directors, who choose presidents of the regional banks. The Fed’s Washington-based governors pick the other third of the directors in each regional bank.

“The reason Congress set up a structure that we have was a combination of depoliticizing monetary policymaking and decentralizing it at the same time,” Plosser, 61, said in an interview.

The structure disperses some power over monetary policy to banks and other institutions nationwide, checking the influence of Washington politicians and big Wall Street firms, he said. St. Louis Fed President James Bullard called the arrangement “a considerable asset.”

“One of the ideas about setting it up this way is you would be able to survive when you had some populist backlash because you do have some roots all around the country, and you are getting input from all around the country on monetary policy,” Bullard said in an Oct. 12 interview.

Trumka Testimony

AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka, testifying yesterday to the House Financial Services Committee, called on legislators to alter the selection process for regional bank presidents as part of any strengthening of the central bank’s regulatory powers.

The Fed’s regional presidents “should not be setting public policy,” Frank said yesterday in response to Trumka. Frank, a Massachusetts Democrat and the committee chairman, said in an Oct. 7 interview he wants to review the “whole governance structure” of the Fed next year.

In April, Dodd and Shelby won passage, by a 96-2 vote, of a non-binding resolution calling in part for an “evaluation of the appropriate number and the associated costs” of Fed district banks.

Representative Ron Paul, a Texas Republican who has called for abolishing the Fed, has gained 307 co-sponsors for legislation to require an audit of the central bank, including monetary policy. Bernanke and other Fed officials oppose the bill.

Truman Wrangle

The congressional proposals are the biggest threat to the Fed’s independence since its wrangle with President Harry Truman, who in 1951 summoned the FOMC to the White House to voice opposition to higher interest rates, Gramley said. The episode ended with the Fed winning the right to conduct monetary policy without Treasury approval for the first time since 1934, according to historian Allan Meltzer.

Some legislators want to “make the institution more political, and I think that’s terribly unfortunate,” Hoenig, 63, Kansas City’s president since 1991, said in an Oct. 9 interview.

“The structure is and was carefully constructed by its founders,” he said. “There is a grass-roots input, there is an ability to bring interested citizens, apolitical, who care and who are not on a political agenda, into the process.”

To contact the reporter on this story: Scott Lanman in Washington at slanman@bloomberg.net.

Last Updated: October 30, 2009 00:00 EDT

GunnyFreedom
10-31-2009, 02:17 AM
Call to action:

http://nchouse2010.glenbradley.net/Glen_Bradley_for_NC_State_House/watthr1207.html

Dieseler
10-31-2009, 02:20 AM
Call to action:

http://nchouse2010.glenbradley.net/Glen_Bradley_for_NC_State_House/watthr1207.html

One phone call, one email and one postal delivered letter.
Counting my stamps.
First mailing begins tomorrow.
Don't forget this either http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=217042

GunnyFreedom
10-31-2009, 02:27 AM
One phone call, one email and one postal delivered letter.
Counting my stamps.
First mailing begins tomorrow.
Don't forget this either http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=217042

Awesome, thanks! And I will do that thread also, and likewise sign the instrument of repudiation.

I really believe that if we focus our entire extended network on this, we can get the gutting of HR1207 reversed post haste. But we need to double down and get literally EVERYONE involved!

Baptist
10-31-2009, 04:07 AM
I like the idea of a grassroots attack ad campaign against him. Run local TV and radio ads.

Pennsylvania
10-31-2009, 06:59 AM
"Anger is a gift" - Rage Against the Machine

Chester Copperpot
10-31-2009, 08:27 AM
This audit is eventually going to come out one way or another... And when it does everybody is going to finally understand. While America was fighting communism all these years; you're going to see that the federal reserve was making loans to the USSR. Shit like that is going to come out of this. Mark my words.

Austrian Econ Disciple
10-31-2009, 08:32 AM
I AM SO FUCKING PISSED. Boys, I have my rifle beside me, let me know when the time has come. Come hell or high-water we will dispel these criminals from our shores. Everyone needs to be calling his office. Shut down the phone lines, his e-mail servers, overflow his mailbox, protest wherever he is (PROTEST HIS EVERY MOVEMENT, when he goes to McDonald's we'll be there right behind him with our signs and our voices) until this is reversed. Run Ads; TV, Newspaper, Talk Radio, etc.

We need to be a booming voice. We need to back up this voice with teeth. Everyone here needs to own multiple weapons, thousands of rounds, and the courage and conviction to if need be someday fight for these our natural rights. To unsubjugate ourselves from supranational interests. To restore liberty.

IM SO PISSED. GODDAMN MOTHERFUCKER.

Time has come. ATTEND. Be a rifleman. Teach your neighboors. Join your communities. Start or join your local militia's that are in line with this movement. Learn OPSEC, PERSEC, COMMSEC.

http://www.appleseedinfo.org/
http://www.appleseedinfo.org/
http://www.appleseedinfo.org/
http://www.appleseedinfo.org/
http://www.appleseedinfo.org/

Pass this along.

Chester Copperpot
10-31-2009, 08:42 AM
I was just looking over the text of HR1207 just to make sure Ron included the federal reserve banks in the audit. he did.. good guy.. thats where the real truth will come out..

But you know.. when we get this bill passed in the house, we'll have a fight in the senate.. and we'll win that too. and then the president will veto it, and we will win that too.. and then when the GAO heads to the federal reserve bank of NY smoke will be coming out of their chimney as they start burning their books.. what do we do then?

Austrian Econ Disciple
10-31-2009, 08:43 AM
I was just looking over the text of HR1207 just to make sure Ron included the federal reserve banks in the audit. he did.. good guy.. thats where the real truth will come out..

But you know.. when we get this bill passed in the house, we'll have a fight in the senate.. and we'll win that too. and then the president will veto it, and we will win that too.. and then when the GAO heads to the federal reserve bank of NY smoke will be coming out of their chimney as they start burning their books.. what do we do then?

Become a nation of Rifleman. If they refuse to heed our words, trounce on our rights, and become King George all over, then history will have to repeat itself. Before that time, it is our duty to become rifleman.

Chester Copperpot
10-31-2009, 08:45 AM
Become a nation of Rifleman. If they refuse to heed our words, trounce on our rights, and become King George all over, then history will have to repeat itself. Before that time, it is our duty to become rifleman.

my state is the socialist republic of new jersey.. I cant even find the right to bear arms protected or even mentioned in the NJ State Constitution...

Im not a real gun guy for myself. But I dont want anybody to tell me I cant have a gun..

Austrian Econ Disciple
10-31-2009, 08:51 AM
my state is the socialist republic of new jersey.. I cant even find the right to bear arms protected or even mentioned in the NJ State Constitution...

Im not a real gun guy for myself. But I dont want anybody to tell me I cant have a gun..

Then move. These are the times that try mens souls.

Are you going to rely on others to protect your rights? It is everyones duty to bear this burden, to fight in the name of liberty, to defend our rights and if that means someday a confrontation after all peaceful means have shown to be fruitless, well then we must create our own Declaration of Independance.

Experience hath shewn....

If they won't even redress our grievances, what seperates this Government from King George's Government?

Secondly, go out of State to purchase weaponry and bring it back. So what if they say you can't own a gun. That is illegal. It is our natural right to own a weapon and pursue self-defense. Are you going to let them strip you of your rights? (That is if you want to stay in NJ)

ForLiberty-RonPaul
10-31-2009, 08:53 AM
AED calm down. We are no where close to armed Revolution. Will deal when the time comes, but getting all militant is not what we need right now.

Austrian Econ Disciple
10-31-2009, 08:57 AM
AED calm down. We are no where close to armed Revolution. Will deal when the time comes, but getting all militant is not what we need right now.

Of course not. But I think it's high-time we all start to become rifleman, before that time has past us.

catdd
10-31-2009, 08:59 AM
I knew the longer they took to move it the more likely this kind of shit was to happen. The bankers just have too much money and power over politicians to be beaten legally.

Anti Federalist
10-31-2009, 10:00 AM
This audit is eventually going to come out one way or another... And when it does everybody is going to finally understand. While America was fighting communism all these years; you're going to see that the federal reserve was making loans to the USSR. Shit like that is going to come out of this. Mark my words.

I would not doubt this for a nanosecond.

There are many other confirmed cases of the US government supporting the "enemies" that we, as citizens, are told to fight and die against.

That the banksters fund and play both sides against the middle isn't a surprise.

Angry enough yet?

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AdamT
10-31-2009, 10:08 AM
Just left a "message" for this trash.

ShowMeLiberty
10-31-2009, 10:14 AM
http://www.google.com/search?&q=%22+mel+watt%22+shill

Sweet. This one is even better: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22mel+watt%22+fed&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=


Call to action:

http://nchouse2010.glenbradley.net/Glen_Bradley_for_NC_State_House/watthr1207.html


Every contact we make we must demand two things:

1.Reject the Mel Watt markup and changes to HR1207

2.Vote “YES” on the Ron Paul amendment to restore the original text of HR1207

Excellent. I'll be passing along your link.



This audit is eventually going to come out one way or another... And when it does everybody is going to finally understand. While America was fighting communism all these years; you're going to see that the federal reserve was making loans to the USSR. Shit like that is going to come out of this. Mark my words.

I believe it. I put nothing past that gang of thieves. Nothing.


I knew the longer they took to move it the more likely this kind of shit was to happen. The bankers just have too much money and power over politicians to be beaten legally.

No. That has not yet been proven. This battle is far from over.

Get on your feet and fight!

Anti Federalist
10-31-2009, 10:19 AM
my state is the socialist republic of new jersey.. I cant even find the right to bear arms protected or even mentioned in the NJ State Constitution...

Im not a real gun guy for myself. But I dont want anybody to tell me I cant have a gun..

Then this will crank you up even more.

I was born and raised in New Jerkey, left over 25 years ago and never looked back.

Get the hell out while you can.

N.J. Court Says Americans Have No Right To Buy Handguns

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10/28/taking_liberties/entry5440647.shtml

A New Jersey appeals court has concluded that Americans have no Second Amendment right to buy a handgun.

In a case decided last week, the superior court upheld a state law saying that nobody may possess "any handgun" without obtaining law enforcement approval and permission in advance.

That outcome might seem like something of a surprise, especially after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled last year in the D.C. v. Heller case that the Second Amendment guarantees "the individual right to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation."

catdd
10-31-2009, 10:23 AM
Sweet. This one is even better: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22mel+watt%22+fed&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=




Every contact we make we must demand two things:

1.Reject the Mel Watt markup and changes to HR1207

2.Vote “YES” on the Ron Paul amendment to restore the original text of HR1207

Excellent. I'll be passing along your link.




I believe it. I put nothing past that gang of thieves. Nothing.



No. That has not yet been proven. This battle is far from over.

Get on your feet and fight!

I'd rather take to the streets and fight but we can exhaust all legal efforts first.

Austrian Econ Disciple
10-31-2009, 10:23 AM
I would not doubt this for a nanosecond.

There are many other confirmed cases of the US government supporting the "enemies" that we, as citizens, are told to fight and die against.

That the banksters fund and play both sides against the middle isn't a surprise.

Angry enough yet?

http://i34.tinypic.com/33kyd7s.png
http://i34.tinypic.com/33kyd7s.png
http://i34.tinypic.com/33kyd7s.png

It's a known fact the FED supported financially the Bolsheviks. There were actually two revolutions in Russia. It's all in The Creature From Jekyll Island. They have so much shit on their books that if Americans saw it first-hand we would instantly abolish the Fed. Ron knows this, and so does the FED.

ShowMeLiberty
10-31-2009, 10:25 AM
I'd rather take to the streets and fight but we can exhaust all legal efforts first.

That's what I meant. ;)

Anti Federalist
10-31-2009, 10:26 AM
It's a known fact the FED supported financially the Bolsheviks. There were actually two revolutions in Russia. It's all in The Creature From Jekyll Island. They have so much shit on their books that if Americans saw it first-hand we would instantly abolish the Fed. Ron knows this, and so does the FED.

Oh yeah, no question.

I think what MM was making the case for was that they continued the funding long after the atrocities of Stalin, long after the Bolshevik revolution and into the modern day, up until the very end.

Austrian Econ Disciple
10-31-2009, 10:27 AM
Oh yeah, no question.

I think what MM was making the case for was that they continued the funding long after the atrocities of Stalin, long after the Bolshevik revolution and into the modern day, up until the very end.

True.

erowe1
10-31-2009, 10:36 AM
Why do you think all those cosponsors who originally opposed the bill decided to get on board? They were counting on this happening, and they wouldn't have become cosponsors without the assurance that it would.

Anti Federalist
10-31-2009, 10:40 AM
Why do you think all those cosponsors who originally opposed the bill decided to get on board? They were counting on this happening, and they wouldn't have become cosponsors without the assurance that it would.

I recall I tried to bring that up a few times, way back, and got shouted down for being a nattering nabob of negativity.

Trying to change a corrupt, rotten and evil system by using the system's own tools is an exercise in futility.

ShowMeLiberty
10-31-2009, 10:55 AM
I recall I tried to bring that up a few times, way back, and got shouted down for being a nattering nabob of negativity.

Trying to change a corrupt, rotten and evil system by using the system's own tools is an exercise in futility.

My gut says you're right, but like the Founders did, I think we still need to exhaust every peaceful and legal method available to us.

A day will come when it will be obvious to everyone that there are no peaceful, legal methods that make a bit of difference. That day is fast approaching, but it is not today.

LibertyEagle
10-31-2009, 11:09 AM
we can and will put a stop to this madness.

It was our relentless public pressure that forced them to cosponsor the bill in the first place. Now it's time to double-down and instigate the largest "once per day, every day" contact campaign in american histor.

Alert your entire network to alert their entire network to alert their entire network, that every american needs to call, e-mail, fax, and snail-mail once per day every day demanding:

1) reject mel watt's markup modifications to hr1207, and

2) vote yes on ron paul's amendment to restore the original text of hr1207

if we can get 2 million people to use every form of contact (telephone, e-mail, snail mail, and fax) once per day every single weekday from monday through until the bill passes, then we will overwhelm them with more than 4 times the pressure that got them to cosponsor the bill in the first place.

We have 59 and a half hours to light up our networks and extended networks nationwide and start the contact campaign on monday.

lets do it!

^^^ this.

squarepusher
10-31-2009, 11:13 AM
When I watched the hearing I hated Watt. GRRRRR.

holy shit. that guy didn't know w-t-f he was talking about in the hearing. Literally like having someone who doesn't know a thing about economics or finance or banking lead the committee?


big fail

Jean
10-31-2009, 11:31 AM
Let’s go after Watt.
Let’s put together a great commercial and play it on local prime time TV :D
(Money bomb to finance)
Let’s put the information in front his people.
Just who is this guy working for?
Is he working for you the little guy or is he working for the BIG corporations?
I thought he worked for you? Why did he do this? Give him pain.

By doing this other congress critters can see when they do wrong we will be there in their district putting out commercials and informing the people!

I don't think we need to jump on board with another candidate at this time. We need to give it time and a good candidate will show up who we can get behind and support.

ShowMeLiberty
10-31-2009, 11:37 AM
Letter I just sent to my congressman:

Dear Congressman x,

It has come to my attention that Congressman Mel Watt, chairman of the domestic monetary policy and technology subcommittee, has attached HR 1207 (the bill to audit the Federal Reserve) to a larger finance bill and in so doing he has made changes to HR 1207. According to Congressman Ron Paul, author of HR 1207, Mr. Watt has "gutted" his bill.

As a co-sponsor of HR 1207, I hope you will find this action as unacceptable as I do. Anything less than a full and complete audit of the Federal Reserve will not make a bit of difference.

I understand Congressman Paul is drafting an amendment to the larger bill which will restore the language "gutted" by Congressman Watt.

It is my hope that you will continue to support a full and complete audit of the Federal Reserve as originally intended when you become a co-sponsor and as 75% of the American people want.

I urge you to:

1. Reject the Mel Watt markup and changes to HR1207

2. Vote “YES” on the Ron Paul amendment to restore the original text of HR1207

Sincerely,
xxxxxxxxxxxx

Anti Federalist
10-31-2009, 11:40 AM
I think we still need to exhaust every peaceful and legal method available to us.

That is precisely why I support and fund the efforts of Ron Paul, CFL and people here like our own Ron Paul Hawaii and Gunny Freedom, just to name a few examples.

I will have no moral compunction whatsoever when the time comes to "cry havoc".

constituent
10-31-2009, 11:47 AM
and yet, the "truth in trials act" of which RP is a co-sponsor, it is said, will be coming up soon for debate in committee. this is something almost inevitable as it merely enshrines the obama admin's medical marijuana policy within federal law.

and yet, around here, not even a whisper about it.

Imperial
10-31-2009, 11:57 AM
My Daily Kos article on HR 1207 and its death (http://http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/10/31/799046/-Audit-the-Fed-Is-Dead)

Check it out, I think I wrote it pretty well and catered well to the audience.

Anti Federalist
10-31-2009, 12:13 PM
My Daily Kos article on HR 1207 and its death (http://http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/10/31/799046/-Audit-the-Fed-Is-Dead)

Check it out, I think I wrote it pretty well and catered well to the audience.

Link doesn't work for me.

AuH20
10-31-2009, 12:15 PM
Interesting diary over there about Bernanke, a Conservative Republican? ;):D
Very amusing.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/10/31/799133/-Ben-Bernanke-Should-Be-Fired!

Imperial
10-31-2009, 12:20 PM
Link doesn't work for me.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/10/31/799046/-Audit-the-Fed-Is-Dead

LittleLightShining
10-31-2009, 02:03 PM
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/1201/wattjoker.jpgLove it.

How about targeting Grayson and Michael Moore in addition to the other things mentioned? Grayson want ssupport from the liberty movement (not that he's likely to get it)-- let's make him work.

LibertyWorker
10-31-2009, 02:11 PM
Mr. Watt and all the rest of the @%#^$* in DC need a good virtual smack upside the head.

I’m done playing nice guy with the bastards in DC.

Please send any info you guys get on Mel “the trader” Watt.

Email: melwatt@politicalterror.com if this mail box gets full send your stuff to info@politicalterror.com

Quotes
Videos
Links
Pictures
News

Give me all of it

Screw Them:mad:

Thank you in advance

Anti Federalist
10-31-2009, 02:32 PM
AED calm down. We are no where close to armed Revolution. Will deal when the time comes, but getting all militant is not what we need right now.

Meh...

Last month my silver broker and his wife were raided and arrested by SWAT style federal marshals at the behest of the IRS over a 14 year old case that involved the teaching and selling of Irwin Schiff's book.

They are being held incommunicado on a half a million dollars bail.

Everything they own that could be used to mount any type of legal defense has been seized.

They have, in short, become "unpeople": political prisoners with no voice, no bail, no redress but in a kangaroo court, that will ultimately send them up the river for the rest of their lives.

All for exercising the right to freely assemble and exercise free speech.

Now, the Eye of Sauron swings toward all their known associates and business relations, ie - me.

Well fuck it, it's not the first time I've had feds sniffing up my ass...but I'll not be "calmed down".

While we dick around, playing by the system's rules, they are picking good patriots off one by one.

Rael
10-31-2009, 02:51 PM
- snipped -

Posting the guy's home address is outside of guidelines.

devil21
10-31-2009, 03:03 PM
^^^^
4 blocks away from BoA and Wachovia headquarters. Why am I not surprised?

LittleLightShining
10-31-2009, 03:07 PM
Here's his home address in case his email box is full. Send him a snail mail letter. This is from the Charlotte register of deeds site.



You can get right down to it on Google Earth. Looks like a condo.

gb13
10-31-2009, 03:16 PM
His district certainly has a, um, peculiar shape...

http://api.ning.com/files/Apx093rhBK1rLYze-6nxjkBH5c-QX2YmO7242Cgc6dLvjDX7RcY6VwBDnvVvHxXtupQBWNUabmvkf bObsiTRuYrny9lRa85c/NorthCarolinas12thcongressionaldistrict.gif

http://www.alphadictionary.com/images/gerrymander_big.gif

Haha the original gerrymander is my old stomping ground. I did a serious double-take when I saw this picture. Crazy...

torchbearer
10-31-2009, 03:44 PM
no response from Johnson yet.

LibertyEagle
10-31-2009, 04:00 PM
I wanna hear Ron's take on this.

YouTube - Ron Paul: Important News on Audit the Fed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPgzPxPwEV8)

NYgs23
10-31-2009, 04:11 PM
Haha the original gerrymander is my old stomping ground. I did a serious double-take when I saw this picture. Crazy...

I've been to Marblehead and it's a beautiful town, if a bit of a tourist trap.

raiha
10-31-2009, 04:35 PM
Do people have magnificent "End the Fed" banners and billboards in their backyards, like it is some kind of election? You keep ramming the message down the politically unaware's collective throat. Like an advertising refrain that needs to saturate large and small minds alike!

Captain Bryan
10-31-2009, 04:37 PM
YouTube - Ron Paul: Important News on Audit the Fed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPgzPxPwEV8)

Thanks, LE.:)

Matt Collins
10-31-2009, 10:03 PM
We will need a black anti fed democrat running against him.I've only ever met 1 over the last few years. I know a couple of black anti fed Republicans though.

GunnyFreedom
10-31-2009, 10:14 PM
I know a few C4L'ers in the district, and we have Rael here on RPF's in the district. Perhaps we could organize a campaign to search for one?

Anti Federalist
11-01-2009, 10:45 AM
//

Bossobass
11-01-2009, 11:12 AM
GUT 1207
THIS SIDE OF HEAVEN?
HELL NO!

WATT
HAS GOT
TO GO!

I'm all in on this one... and right down the road from his offices.

Let's get in touch with his opposition and strike a deal on this issue and start the campaign EARLY.

I wanna know where the F*&% my trillions went... PERIOD!

Bosso