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lester1/2jr
10-29-2009, 02:37 PM
for heckling!

vids and account (http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/palestinian-equal-rights-joins-the-progressive-agenda-on-the-daily-show.html)


Finally, it was time for the Barghouti/Baltzer interview. Until I saw them walking on stage I expected that it would be canceled and we’d get some last minute fill in instead, but there they were. The interview ran nearly 15 minutes and it was clear it would have to be edited down to air it. The full interview is posted above, and it is well worth watching the whole thing. Right off the bat it was clear this would be a historic moment:

Baltzer: "We’re part of a large movement of Palestinian and Jews working together. This is not new or novel."

Barghouti: "Jewish Americans have been in the avant garde struggling for justice, in this country at least, and for democracy and in this particular case it is just normal that people like Anna are with us because we are struggling for liberty, we’re struggling for freedom, we’re struggling for justice."

Then, as Dr. Barghouti said that Palestinians have been subjected to a system of segregation, the man with slicked back hair sitting directly in front of me pulled a Joe Wilson and yelled "Liar!" (it’s at 1:49 of the first part of the interview).

Dr. Barghouti was unfazed and explained his reason for working with Anna – "It’s just natural to have an alliance of people who believe in the same values." He returned to this theme of values several times and applause grew every time. He finally made it clear what the Palestinians are calling for – equal rights.

Over the next few minutes he mentioned the names of leaders in whose footsteps he’s following – Martin Luther King Jr, Gandhi and Nelson Mandela. With each passing mention the trio in front of me squirmed in their seats, and most of the rest of the audience grew more excited.

I think Stewart did a reasonable job with the interview. Although the version that ran on air made it look like he dominated the conversation, in fact he gave the speakers plenty of time to make their points. When he gave them the obligatory question on Israel’s security, Baltzer hit it out of the park:

There is nothing defensive about denying Palestinians water. There is nothing defensive about preventing people from having materials to build their homes. So many of the institutions that I understood to be defensive cannot be justified by security anymore. Building a wall between Palestinians and Palestinians?

This was too much for "Slick" in front of me to take, and he burst out again. You can hear him in the background at 7:47 of the first clip. He was escorted from the studio at 8:11 where he was belittled by Stewart ("Bye sir, you can, uh, certainly visit our sedar"). The crowd laughed and cheered as he was led away, and his faux fur clad friend was truly perplexed both by what Baltzer was saying ("Why is she saying that? What is she saying?"), as well as the crowd’s overwhelming support for the speakers.

dannno
10-29-2009, 02:53 PM
Wow, that was a great interview!!

They talked about Israel aid and everything.

SWATH
10-29-2009, 02:59 PM
I saw it last night. Baltzer is frickin beautiful!

Promontorium
10-29-2009, 04:07 PM
I thought the televised version showed Dr. Barghouti dominating the conversation.

It's funny, that it's a Jewish American and a Palestinian.

Also I think Stewart was really pissed by that guy yelling "liar". I can understand why, his show is serious business.

Dr. Mustafa Barghouti seems like the real deal, a heavy hitter. He is critical.

Here's the part I didn't like:

Stewart: But you both believe in a state of Israel, you believe that and you believe in that as well.

Baltzer: I think a non-violent solution to this is of course is best for everybody in this situation. I also believe that what Israel is doing is so fundamentally violating the principles of Judaism...

Really, in the end, this is (as the cited article proudly celebrates) "a Palestinian leader demanding equal rights and an anti-Zionist Jew calling for boycott, divestment and sanctions to pressure Israel towards peace"

As long as it is only anti-zionists and Palestinians calling for "peace" while other anti-zionists and Palestinians are blowing themselves up, and the entire muslim world refuses to acknowledge Israel's sovereignty, then this will continue to be a farce.

The message in the end (even aided by Stewart) was simple:

'We want Israel gone. That is peace. We hope we don't have to kill them, but we're taking them down one way or another'.

And I think that's not going to work. Israel already tolerates all religions in their country. They just don't tolerate suicide bombers and those who openly vie for the nation's destruction.

Why is it so fundamentally hard for them to simultaneously decry the horrific actions of Israel, and Palestine, and work for actual peace, with both sides still alive?

That's all I want. Humans are suffering. I don't think either side should destroy the other.

Nothing new here indeed.

dannno
10-29-2009, 04:15 PM
I thought the televised version showed Dr. Barghouti dominating the conversation.

It's funny, that it's a Jewish American and a Palestinian.

Also I think Stewart was really pissed by that guy yelling "liar". I can understand why, his show is serious business.

Dr. Mustafa Barghouti seems like the real deal, a heavy hitter. He is critical.

Here's the part I didn't like:

Stewart: But you both believe in a state of Israel, you believe that and you believe in that as well.

Baltzer: I think a non-violent solution to this is of course is best for everybody in this situation. I also believe that what Israel is doing is so fundamentally violating the principles of Judaism...

Really, in the end, this is (as the cited article proudly celebrates) "a Palestinian leader demanding equal rights and an anti-Zionist Jew calling for boycott, divestment and sanctions to pressure Israel towards peace"

As long as it is only anti-zionists and Palestinians calling for "peace" while other anti-zionists and Palestinians are blowing themselves up, and the entire muslim world refuses to acknowledge Israel's sovereignty, then this will continue to be a farce.



Wow, you completely miss the ENTIRE point of their conversation. Amazing. I highly suggest you watch the interview again and actually listen this time.

The vast majority, in fact 99.9% of the people calling for an end to the Israeli military occupation of Palestine, ARE PEACEFUL!! It is the .01% who are violent.

Also, anybody who supports what Israel is doing is not allowed to use the words "acknowledge" and "sovereignty" in the same sentence. That's just ridiculous.






The message in the end (even aided by Stewart) was simple:

"We want Israel gone. That is peace. We hope we don't have to kill them, but we're taking them down one way or another".

And I think that's not going to work. Israel already tolerates all religions in their country. They just don't tolerate suicide bombers and those who openly vie for the nation's destruction. "Peace" by their standards is death.

Nothing new here.


You are so full of it, this is absolutely fuckin amazing.

You don't understand that the reason why the suicide bombers are doing their thing is because Israel is militarily occupying their country, stealing their land and their resources (including water). Isreal has NEVER done anything different, yet you REFUSE to acknowledge that they are the ones causing all of the violence by keeping their people in a fucking ghetto concentration camp. That is causing the violence. If you don't admit that to yourself, you're never going to have an answer to the problem.

brandon
10-29-2009, 04:20 PM
Hah, what a coincidence...I just saw my apolitical friend post this on his facebook wall before I came here. (Skip to last post)

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7391/ironic.png

Sandman33
10-29-2009, 04:32 PM
Wow, you completely miss the ENTIRE point of their conversation. Amazing. I highly suggest you watch the interview again and actually listen this time.

The vast majority, in fact 99.9% of the people calling for an end to the Israeli military occupation of Palestine, ARE PEACEFUL!! It is the .01% who are violent.

Also, anybody who supports what Israel is doing is not allowed to use the words "acknowledge" and "sovereignty" in the same sentence. That's just ridiculous.




You are so full of it, this is absolutely fuckin amazing.

You don't understand that the reason why the suicide bombers are doing their thing is because Israel is militarily occupying their country, stealing their land and their resources (including water). Isreal has NEVER done anything different, yet you REFUSE to acknowledge that they are the ones causing all of the violence by keeping their people in a fucking ghetto concentration camp. That is causing the violence. If you don't admit that to yourself, you're never going to have an answer to the problem.

Great post danno. Well done.

MRoCkEd
10-29-2009, 04:33 PM
great interview

Old Ducker
10-29-2009, 04:34 PM
I thought the televised version showed Dr. Barghouti dominating the conversation.

It's funny, that it's a Jewish American and a Palestinian.

Also I think Stewart was really pissed by that guy yelling "liar". I can understand why, his show is serious business.

Dr. Mustafa Barghouti seems like the real deal, a heavy hitter. He is critical.

Here's the part I didn't like:

Stewart: But you both believe in a state of Israel, you believe that and you believe in that as well.

Baltzer: I think a non-violent solution to this is of course is best for everybody in this situation. I also believe that what Israel is doing is so fundamentally violating the principles of Judaism...

Really, in the end, this is (as the cited article proudly celebrates) "a Palestinian leader demanding equal rights and an anti-Zionist Jew calling for boycott, divestment and sanctions to pressure Israel towards peace"

As long as it is only anti-zionists and Palestinians calling for "peace" while other anti-zionists and Palestinians are blowing themselves up, and the entire muslim world refuses to acknowledge Israel's sovereignty, then this will continue to be a farce.

The message in the end (even aided by Stewart) was simple:

'We want Israel gone. That is peace. We hope we don't have to kill them, but we're taking them down one way or another'.

And I think that's not going to work. Israel already tolerates all religions in their country. They just don't tolerate suicide bombers and those who openly vie for the nation's destruction.

Why is it so fundamentally hard for them to simultaneously decry the horrific actions of Israel, and Palestine, and work for actual peace, with both sides still alive?

That's all I want. Humans are suffering. I don't think either side should destroy the other.

Nothing new here indeed.

I want Israel gone (as a jewish state). I believe it's our greatest enemy in the world. The only solution for Israel is to become a secular, non ethnic federation where christians, jews and muslims of all ethnicities have equal treatment and rights under the law.

catdd
10-29-2009, 04:41 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if Slick wasn't a moderator for one of the RPFs.

dannno
10-29-2009, 04:47 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if Slick wasn't a moderator for one of the RPFs.

Win!!

:D

;)

jmdrake
10-29-2009, 04:47 PM
'We want Israel gone. That is peace. We hope we don't have to kill them, but we're taking them down one way or another'.

And I think that's not going to work. Israel already tolerates all religions in their country. They just don't tolerate suicide bombers and those who openly vie for the nation's destruction.


No they don't. Messianic Jews lose the right to immigrate to Israel. Palestinians lost the right to return. Christians are not allowed to proselytize in Israel. There is a reason for that. If you want to maintain a "Jewish state" you can't have too many non Jews in your border. We are supposed to believe that the zionists wanted the Arabs to stay when they took over and "live in peace and democracy". Democracy means one man one vote. Without the expulsion of the Arabs the Jewish state wouldn't have lasted one election cycle. If Israel were truly tolerant of all religions it wouldn't last many more cycles either.

dannno
10-29-2009, 04:51 PM
Democracy means one man one vote. Without the expulsion of the Arabs the Jewish state wouldn't have lasted one election cycle. If Israel were truly tolerant of all religions it wouldn't last many more cycles either.

Isn't it funny that they decided it would be easier to travel half way around the world and control the government of the US than to control the government in their own country?

devil21
10-29-2009, 05:43 PM
Good interview up until the point Stewart started dragging out the same ol anti-Iran mistranslated Ahmadinejad quote nonsense. Regardless, props to the Daily Show for having the balls to air that interview and shame on that Megaphone shill in the crowd.

dannno
10-29-2009, 05:46 PM
Good interview up until the point Stewart started dragging out the same ol anti-Iran mistranslated Ahmadinejad quote nonsense. Regardless, props to the Daily Show for having the balls to air that interview and shame on that Megaphone shill in the crowd.

Well to his credit, Stewart was trying to help reconcile the other side with their side, since the other side had no representatives (less the Joe Wilson wannabe). He himself actually tends to see the plight of the Palestinians.

Liberty Star
10-29-2009, 11:58 PM
for heckling!

vids and account (http://mondoweiss.net/2009/10/palestinian-equal-rights-joins-the-progressive-agenda-on-the-daily-show.html)


It's incredible to see this interview and views in US media. It's sad that US media landscape only started shifting post 9-11.

BenIsForRon
10-30-2009, 12:20 AM
Notice how the crowd was applauding most of the guests' points. Shows that most people are already with us on foreign policy, we just have a long road ahead on economic policy.

BlackTerrel
10-30-2009, 12:01 PM
It's incredible to see this interview and views in US media. It's sad that US media landscape only started shifting post 9-11.

Don't let anyone tell you that terrorism doesn't work.

Dieseler
10-30-2009, 01:45 PM
Don't let anyone tell you that terrorism doesn't work.

That's right and none of you better forget it.
Revenge is a dish best served scary.
A man who ain't got nothin' ain't got nothin' to lose.

LibertyEagle
10-30-2009, 02:13 PM
Notice how the crowd was applauding most of the guests' points. Shows that most people are already with us on foreign policy, we just have a long road ahead on economic policy.

You mean liberals, don't you? And I'll bet you that these same people, while disagreeing with what Israel is doing to Palestine, etc., would be right there behind our military being sent in to someplace like Darfur. So, I'm not so sure they agree with us on foreign policy.

BenIsForRon
10-30-2009, 02:40 PM
You mean liberals, don't you? And I'll bet you that these same people, while disagreeing with what Israel is doing to Palestine, etc., would be right there behind our military being sent in to someplace like Darfur. So, I'm not so sure they agree with us on foreign policy.

Good point on Darfur, but I mean generally, as in no Iraq, no Afghanistan, we could do with less troops in Germany, no missle defense in the Czech Republic, and so on. And I'm not talking about liberals, I'm talking about most voting groups, including moderate democrats, independents, and more sensible republicans.

lester1/2jr
10-30-2009, 03:23 PM
they aren't libertarians but the base the democatic base is much more antiwar than their representitives in washington.