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Peace&Freedom
10-29-2009, 12:44 PM
Jones just announced on his show today his conclusion that Paul will definitely be running in 2012 'based on all the tea leaves' he's reading from the congressman. Jones suggests Paul announce early next year, to give his movement two years to build toward his having a strong showing in the early primaries, and to head off his detractors in the MSM/NWO. Thoughts?

Epic
10-29-2009, 12:46 PM
I hope so, but take it with a grain of salt...

Dieseler
10-29-2009, 12:48 PM
Lets get it on.

specsaregood
10-29-2009, 12:48 PM
Did Charlie Sheen tell him that?

__27__
10-29-2009, 12:48 PM
Good, it'll bring us together and distract us from the anarchy/minarchy in-fighting.

Flash
10-29-2009, 12:48 PM
He's basically just guessing like all of us are. I doubt he has any inside information. Actually, I know he has no inside information.

Epic
10-29-2009, 12:50 PM
He's basically just guessing like all of us are. I doubt he has any inside information. Actually, I know he has no inside information.

But do you have tea leaves that tell you that he has no tea leaves that tell him that Ron Paul is making tea leaves?

sevin
10-29-2009, 12:51 PM
I hope this is true. I know Ron Paul is getting old, but the so many more people have woken up since the election. And with many republicans and democrats getting wise the the fed scam, the waste of money on wars, etc., imagine how many more people would wake up if Ron Paul had the chance to get his ideas out there even more.

Epic
10-29-2009, 12:53 PM
When people debate RP running vs. GJ running...

the thing always left out is that Gary would have to work the entire election just to get his name recognition close to the point where RP already is.

Meanwhile, if RP ran, his current recognition would be built upon, and he already has the resources and legions of fans that it takes to get the word out.... on day 1

MRoCkEd
10-29-2009, 12:53 PM
It will depend on several factors. If we are in a severe downturn and he feels it is the best way to get his message out, he will probably do it.

Flash
10-29-2009, 12:54 PM
But do you have tea leaves that tell you that he has no tea leaves that tell him that Ron Paul is making tea leaves?

yes.

Also I'm still waiting for AJ to make his "biggest announcement in his whole radio career." I know that stupid fake charlie sheen interview couldn't possibly have been it.

KAYA
10-29-2009, 12:59 PM
I hope this is true. I know Ron Paul is getting old, but the so many more people have woken up since the election. And with many republicans and democrats getting wise the the fed scam, the waste of money on wars, etc., imagine how many more people would wake up if Ron Paul had the chance to get his ideas out there even more.

Yep!

His age does worry me though...

sevin
10-29-2009, 01:01 PM
Yep!

His age does worry me though...

Yeah. But right now there's not really anybody who can fill Ron's shoes. Maybe if he runs again, then by 2016 his son or someone else would have a large enough following to pick up where Ron left off.

specsaregood
10-29-2009, 01:07 PM
When people debate RP running vs. GJ running...

the thing always left out is that Gary would have to work the entire election just to get his name recognition close to the point where RP already is.

Meanwhile, if RP ran, his current recognition would be built upon, and he already has the resources and legions of fans that it takes to get the word out.... on day 1
This completely ignores the problem with "negatives" amongst the voter base.

sofia
10-29-2009, 01:20 PM
we have two years to recruit the tea partiers away from Limbaugh/Levin/Beck/Hannity

JamesButabi
10-29-2009, 02:29 PM
Nobody surrounding me knew about RP during 2008. Now everyone does. I easily would have 100 local people escorting me to the polls to vote for RP that were apathetic. I imagine this scenario is simliar in other places.

Bucjason
10-29-2009, 02:35 PM
Alex Jones also said this:

YouTube - Alex Jones Paranoid Kook Conman Nutjob (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQL-UpzWT1U&feature=related)

...in other words , who cares what Alex Jones says??

Romulus
10-29-2009, 02:36 PM
how easily we forgot... Ron Paul goes on AJ's show! Mods need to keep this on topic so we can keep the liberal tactic of ad hominem attacks on the other boards.

everyone needs to quit their ninnying about AJ or whatever and get behind this. We need RP to run to expand the movement. Last yr was a success and RP can easily build upon that.. we have the momentum!

specsaregood
10-29-2009, 02:38 PM
Nobody surrounding me knew about RP during 2008. Now everyone does.

Why didn't you tell them about him? Or did you also find out about him AFTER the primaries?

Meatwasp
10-29-2009, 02:40 PM
Well I am saving my money for his run if he does

yokna7
10-29-2009, 02:46 PM
Did Charlie Sheen tell him that?

Haha......................also remember to catch 'Two and a half men' 9 o' clock mondays/8 central:o "our next guest - Rob Lowe.:rolleyes:

CGeoffrion
10-29-2009, 02:58 PM
God I hope so.... I was all for another liberty candidate taking the toarch for the big one, but honestly I think Ron Paul is the only one who would have a real shot at winning.

Hillary Clinton herself said she saw more RP signs than any other candidate, I bet the real numbers of this movement are HUGE. It really does just come down to keeping people focused on the big issues and away from the likes of Hannity, Palin, and Beck. We can win this people, we can save this country.

Stay focused.

ctiger2
10-29-2009, 03:40 PM
God I hope so.... I was all for another liberty candidate taking the toarch for the big one, but honestly I think Ron Paul is the only one who would have a real shot at winning.

Hillary Clinton herself said she saw more RP signs than any other candidate, I bet the real numbers of this movement are HUGE. It really does just come down to keeping people focused on the big issues and away from the likes of Hannity, Palin, and Beck. We can win this people, we can save this country.

Stay focused.

+1

The good doctors the chosen one.

JenH88
10-29-2009, 03:58 PM
NO ONE rallies the liberty movement like the good Dr. Paul.. who else can bring all the sub groups together and put the infighting to rest?... more are aware of our country's dire situation than ever before.. if you thought the r3volution was a wild fire before, a 2012 run would seriously blanket the whole country in that man's name. the sooner he announces the better...

i understand his age may be an issue.. but it's pretty clear he has dedicated his life to liberty; spreading the message of freedom and fighting the corrupt in washington. there is no better way of doing this than running again... think if he had never done it in 2008.. where would we be.. i for one would have no clue about the real issues, perhaps still 'asleep'.. who knows how many more would be stuck by the light of truth if he decides to run again.. only one way to find out..

brandon
10-29-2009, 04:15 PM
He shouldn't announce before CPAC.


If he announces, and then does bad in CPAC poll, it's an early blow to the campaign.

If he doesn't announce first and does well in CPAC, he can say that's what motivated him to run.

If he doesn't announce first and does poorly in CPAC, he can claim that the reason he did bad was because he didn't announce.

Sandman33
10-29-2009, 04:28 PM
Here's whats going to happen folks.

If Ron Paul publicly announces that he plans to run for the Presidency things will shift into ultra holy fuck high gear.

The powers that be already plan on having the network setup with climate change bullshit and socialized banking and healthcare setup before the next election.

Ron is the only real threat to them and they know it. So if he announces his run the globlalists will start doing things you never thought possible.....and still the nation will put up with it and not rise up.

By the time Ron runs in 2012 the nation is going to be 100x more volatile than the last election....and it was REALLY volatile then.

By that time enough people will listen..and Ron will win unless they tamper with the votes like they did with Bush. And sadly they will try do to him the same thing they did to JFK.

And thats when the real REVOLUTION will begin.

American Idol
10-29-2009, 04:49 PM
When people debate RP running vs. GJ running...

the thing always left out is that Gary would have to work the entire election just to get his name recognition close to the point where RP already is.

Meanwhile, if RP ran, his current recognition would be built upon, and he already has the resources and legions of fans that it takes to get the word out.... on day 1

+1. Name recognition is extremely important in American culture today. Ron Paul didn't have great name recognition last time around; now he does. Gary Johnson might have a bright future, but nobody (outside political junkies) knows who Gary Johnson is...

American Idol
10-29-2009, 04:52 PM
Yep!

His age does worry me though...

True, but on the bright side, he is a medical doctor, an exercise addict, and both his parents lived into their 90s...

jmdrake
10-29-2009, 04:54 PM
Here's whats going to happen folks.

If Ron Paul publicly announces that he plans to run for the Presidency things will shift into ultra holy fuck high gear.

The powers that be already plan on having the network setup with climate change bullshit and socialized banking and healthcare setup before the next election.

Ron is the only real threat to them and they know it. So if he announces his run the globlalists will start doing things you never thought possible.....and still the nation will put up with it and not rise up.

By the time Ron runs in 2012 the nation is going to be 100x more volatile than the last election....and it was REALLY volatile then.

By that time enough people will listen..and Ron will win unless they tamper with the votes like they did with Bush. And sadly they will try do to him the same thing they did to JFK.

And thats when the real REVOLUTION will begin.

While you often make good points the way you make them cracks me up. :D

And you're on all your points. Plus if Ron Paul announced now it would drain energy and resources from all of the other liberty candidates running for congress and the senate including his son Rand. We've got to land on Normandy beach before we can go to Berlin folks!

MRoCkEd
10-29-2009, 04:55 PM
If he announced..... that'd be the fuckin' shit

Flash
10-29-2009, 05:09 PM
how easily we forgot... Ron Paul goes on AJ's show! Mods need to keep this on topic so we can keep the liberal tactic of ad hominem attacks on the other boards.

everyone needs to quit their ninnying about AJ or whatever and get behind this. We need RP to run to expand the movement. Last yr was a success and RP can easily build upon that.. we have the momentum!

The point being-- don't get too excited over AJ's random speculation.

IPSecure
10-29-2009, 05:21 PM
The point being-- don't get too excited over AJ's random speculation.

Some more speculation:

Christina Tobin (http://www.freeandequal.org/) returns to disclose information on a 2012 Ron Paul Presidential bid...

Restore The Republic - Reality Report #24: http://realityreport.blip.tv/file/2730738/

Michigan11
10-29-2009, 05:38 PM
If he announced..... that'd be the fuckin' shit

The first money bomb... $30 million.... meetups numbering in the millions.

Uriel999
10-29-2009, 05:51 PM
The first money bomb... $30 million.... meetups numbering in the millions.

I bet we could do 40 million!

Michigan11
10-29-2009, 05:55 PM
I bet we could do 40 million!

I bet we could finally get a satellite in orbit and an airforce...

IPSecure
10-29-2009, 05:59 PM
I bet we could finally get a satellite in orbit and an airforce...

http://www.ronpaulwarroom.com/images/aircorps.jpg

Sandman33
10-29-2009, 07:06 PM
http://www.ronpaulwarroom.com/images/aircorps.jpg


I swear to GOD that if I saw these flying all over the country I'd stand up, take off my hat, put my hand over my heart and scream GOD BLESS AMERICA while tears of joy ran down my face.

I'ts been a LONG time since I've felt like doing that.

RCA
10-29-2009, 08:05 PM
Ironically, in January 2007 Alex introduced me to Ron Paul (via Jeff Rense) before he officially announced.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2007/120107ronpaul.htm

tonesforjonesbones
10-29-2009, 08:13 PM
What a blessing if Dr. Paul could give us one more go round...I' bet it would be drastically different than the last time...tones

ForLiberty-RonPaul
10-29-2009, 08:13 PM
Ironically, in January 2007 Alex introduced me to Ron Paul (via Jeff Rense) before he officially announced.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2007/120107ronpaul.htm

He introduced me to Paul right before the 1 million dollar weekend (think it was the end of the third quarter). I was all depressed about 9/11 and then I heard Paul speak and everything turned right around. I found hope!

ScotTX
10-29-2009, 08:29 PM
Like Alex said, Dr. Paul knows that he is the leader and elder statesman of the liberty movement and he understands what an impotant thing it is to have our ideas represented in the national debates. If he is healthy, he will run.

RevolutionSD
10-29-2009, 08:29 PM
Good, it'll bring us together and distract us from the anarchy/minarchy in-fighting.

Nope, that won't bring us together because you CANNOT vote your way to freedom, and RP has no chance to win, unless he starts making promises to old people but then he's no longer a libertarian.

dr. hfn
10-29-2009, 08:29 PM
I suppose we might as well get as much out of Dr. Paul as we can before we have to find a new banner carrier...

RevolutionSD
10-29-2009, 08:31 PM
Like Alex said, Dr. Paul knows that he is the leader and elder statesman of the liberty movement and he understands what an impotant thing it is to have our ideas represented in the national debates. If he is healthy, he will run.

Most of RP's IDEAS are right, but he definitely alienates people who want true freedom by saying we still need a military and "secure the borders", which has nothing to do with liberty.

Flash
10-29-2009, 08:36 PM
Most of RP's IDEAS are right, but he definitely alienates people who want true freedom by saying we still need a military and "secure the borders", which has nothing to do with liberty.

Yes it does. For us who believe mass immigration and multiculturalism altogether to be dangerous for societies.

RevolutionSD
10-29-2009, 08:43 PM
Yes it does. For us who believe mass immigration and multiculturalism altogether to be dangerous for societies.

So which races do you have a problem with?

If you are using the "drain on society" argument, then it's not the various races that are the problem, it's the welfare state. As long as you have a welfare state, you will not stop the flow of people acrooss the border, even if the Great Wall of China is built.

anaconda
10-29-2009, 08:46 PM
I am nearly certain that he will run in 2012. Why wouldn't he? He'll be more popular than ever and he loves spreading the message. He needn't be on the road 24/7/365.

brandon
10-29-2009, 09:16 PM
Most of RP's IDEAS are right, but he definitely alienates people who want true freedom by saying we still need a military and "secure the borders", which has nothing to do with liberty.

I want true freedom and Ron Paul doesn't alienate me in the least.

anaconda
10-29-2009, 09:36 PM
I want true freedom and Ron Paul doesn't alienate me in the least.

RP has stated that defending the borders is a legitimate responsibility of the military.

sofia
10-29-2009, 09:42 PM
Most of RP's IDEAS are right, but he definitely alienates people who want true freedom by saying we still need a military and "secure the borders", which has nothing to do with liberty.

Do I have a right to pitch a tent on your front lawn? Of course not. It's your property and I must respect it.

So what gives these illegals "the right" to set up a home on our common property - the United States?

How many do want to take in> 1 billion? 2 billion?

Dionysus
10-29-2009, 09:55 PM
I am nearly certain that he will run in 2012. Why wouldn't he? He'll be more popular than ever and he loves spreading the message. He needn't be on the road 24/7/365.

Listen to Jimmy Carter, guys. Hi Jimmy.

American Idol
10-29-2009, 10:13 PM
Most of RP's IDEAS are right, but he definitely alienates people who want true freedom by saying we still need a military and "secure the borders", which has nothing to do with liberty.

Yes but that's what old people like to hear, so...

Che
10-29-2009, 10:17 PM
I hope Alex Jones is right about this.. I mean his age concerns me, but we have senator Byrd who is 91
in the Senate, so i don't see how RP's age can have detrimental effect on his presidency.
When Ron Paul gets elected in 2012, then our time for liberty has finally come to America.

Liberty_Tree
10-29-2009, 10:22 PM
We can't really be sure until Ron Paul says something about this.

sofia
10-29-2009, 10:46 PM
I hope Alex Jones is right about this.. I mean his age concerns me, but we have senator Byrd who is 91
in the Senate, so i don't see how RP's age can have detrimental effect on his presidency.
When Ron Paul gets elected in 2012, then our time for liberty has finally come to America.

Why is your username and icon of Che Guevarra?

You do know that Che was a Soviet backed Communist mass murderer right?

tpreitzel
10-29-2009, 11:02 PM
Personally, I'm not sure that I want Ron to run again. Personally, Ron would make a great POTUS (simple executor of constitutional law), but he'll likely never be elected POTUS unless he adopts a more aggressive attitude in campaigning. The people expect to see a competent, intelligent leader. Unfortunately, the masses seemingly want to be led even if it means down the drain. Most of his peers are fools and Ron should learn how to use humor to expose his peers' foolishness. No, I'm not suggesting that Ron directly attack his opponents, but he needs to mock indirectly the nonsense when he hears it a la John McCain. If you run again, Ron, you need to be sly as a fox and intelligently aggressive. No more wallflower...

TastyWheat
10-29-2009, 11:49 PM
It'd be one hell of an election and I dare say we'd probably have to wait a decade or longer to get a candidate anywhere near his caliber.

Baptist
10-29-2009, 11:56 PM
Bump, rate, comment.

YouTube - Alex Jones Drafts Ron Paul for 2012 Presidency Bid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07vWM74PL-8)

Austin
10-30-2009, 12:12 AM
I disagree with Jones on when Paul should announce.. Paul should wait until after the 2010 elections, especially if Rand makes it out of the primary.

EDIT: And he definitely got me pumped at the end of that video. :D

Austrian Econ Disciple
10-30-2009, 12:27 AM
If Ron wins the nomination I certainly see this as a throwback to 1964, though with a much better candidate. Hopefully this time history will be on our side.

Just imagine....if Goldwater won in 64 we wouldn't have had the Great Society. I don't think I could stand to see RP lose and see what we get if Obama wins a second term..... PUKE.

Sandman33
10-30-2009, 12:46 AM
Bump, rate, comment.

YouTube - Alex Jones Drafts Ron Paul for 2012 Presidency Bid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07vWM74PL-8)

Dude...thats awesome. I don't see how anyone here can talk shit on Alex anymore. He just released Fall of the Republic and now this!

libertarian4321
10-30-2009, 03:23 AM
I'm torn.

On one hand, I'd love to see Dr. Paul run again.

On the other hand, Alex Jones is a bat shit crazy wing nut, so his prediction that Ron will run will likely prove to be wrong.

Romulus
10-30-2009, 07:05 AM
I'm torn.

On one hand, I'd love to see Dr. Paul run again.

On the other hand, Alex Jones is a bat shit crazy wing nut, so his prediction that Ron will run will likely prove to be wrong.

get over your preconceived notions. AJ is a great force and we've seen what can be done when we all combine. AJ + Ron Paul = unstoppable.

All other who want to divide us, get the hell out of the way.

Stay focused on the mission of the IDEA of LIBERTY.

brandon
10-30-2009, 07:16 AM
I'm torn.

On one hand, I'd love to see Dr. Paul run again.

On the other hand, Alex Jones is a bat shit crazy wing nut, so his prediction that Ron will run will likely prove to be wrong.

Are you going to vote for Obama again in 2012? :rolleyes:

ForLiberty-RonPaul
10-30-2009, 07:31 AM
Bump, rate, comment.

YouTube - Alex Jones Drafts Ron Paul for 2012 Presidency Bid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07vWM74PL-8)

F*ckin SOLD! PAUL 2012!!!

Austrian Econ Disciple
10-30-2009, 08:09 AM
Are you going to vote for Obama again in 2012? :rolleyes:

How does a so-called libertarian vote for Obama?! Granted our choices in 2008 SUCKED. The LP had a so-called reformed Neo-Con instead of the true Libertarian Mary Ruwart, and the CP Presidential Candidate was too theocratic. McCain is the defacto definition of a Neo-Con, and Obama a Marxist. Wow, awesome choices lmao. The least of the worse of these guys was Baldwin.

Seriously though...HOW DID YOU (libertarian4321) VOTE FOR A MARXIST? :confused::confused:

Icymudpuppy
10-30-2009, 08:25 AM
I know that Ron Paul is still mentally and physically fit and perfectly capable of holding the office of president.

But America is a nation where image is more important than substance. Where average voters would rather watch Dancing with the Stars than a news broadcast.

Unfortunately, Age does matter to these people. McCain was ridiculed for his age and it was a big sticking point in the droves of young sheep who blindly voted for Obama. McCain is younger than Paul.

Television image also matters. Obama has a deep resonate voice, and a strong facial structure. Ron Paul has a nasally high pitched voice, and a weak jaw line. Both, despite the reality give him an appearance of weakness to sheep who view image over substance.

Articulation and dumbing everything into sound bites is important. Obama is good at running sound bites. Ron Paul has a tendency to ramble and while you and I understand his points, to the sheeple, he comes off as incoherent.

I also have a nasally high pitched voice, tend to ramble and am not handsome. While I may win a local campaign, I know I would never be elected in a popularity contest which is what the presidency has become.

So, we have to find a candidate who to the American Sheeple looks "PRESIDENTIAL".

Sadly, they would have voted for Romney.

I think our best bet is Johnson, with Ron Paul as VP.

No bald man has come close to the presidency since television became important, so Ventura is not valid.

I know you all hate to here about how superficial the american sheeple are, but it is a fact we have to work with.

Romulus
10-30-2009, 08:37 AM
^ they win if you play into their ideals.

Peace&Freedom
10-30-2009, 08:51 AM
I concur with most of the posters that as Paul is THE unifying leader of the liberty movement with an intense national network in place, locked-in media exposure and access to real money, he MUST run one more time, at the top of the ticket.

To bridge to the future, he needs to make Johnson, Ventura or Rand Paul his VP so they can take over in 2016. Yes the movement must transition past Paul, but to immediately switch to somebody nobody knows as a successor would be to essentially start over, instead of building from the impressive gains already made.

RevolutionSD
10-30-2009, 09:11 AM
Do I have a right to pitch a tent on your front lawn? Of course not. It's your property and I must respect it.

So what gives these illegals "the right" to set up a home on our common property - the United States?

How many do want to take in> 1 billion? 2 billion?

What makes someone "illegal" and someone else "legal"?
Because you were lucky to be born on this plot of land instead of another one?

Why would you have a problem if lots of people wanted to come in to this country, as long as we weren't paying for them through taxes?

If you are for the welfare state, then I could see why you would want to keep people out.

But if you are a libertarian, and are against the welfare state as well as taxes, then being for putting military at the borders is saying that we need another bureaucracy, and need to use the violence of government to ensure it. This is not a libertarian position.

RevolutionSD
10-30-2009, 09:18 AM
I disagree with Alex Jones completely here. Most people have no idea what the Federal Reserve is or what the NWO is or what it all means. Just go ask 10 random people what the Federal Reserve is, you will quickly find out that 95% of Americans are completely clueless.

Also Alex said that college students are libertarians now. Hardly. Things may be changing a bit on college campuses, but liberalism still reigns far and wide right now.

AuH20
10-30-2009, 09:27 AM
If Ron wins the nomination I certainly see this as a throwback to 1964, though with a much better candidate. Hopefully this time history will be on our side.

Just imagine....if Goldwater won in 64 we wouldn't have had the Great Society. I don't think I could stand to see RP lose and see what we get if Obama wins a second term..... PUKE.

They will continue to lie and defame the good doctor as they did to Goldwater in '64. Remember how the whole newsletter fabrication killed his momentum last time around? Paul was flying high until those hit pieces came out.

LDA
10-30-2009, 09:36 AM
I feel like it'll be too late in 2012.

wizardwatson
10-30-2009, 10:10 AM
Bump, rate, comment.

YouTube - Alex Jones Drafts Ron Paul for 2012 Presidency Bid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07vWM74PL-8)

Watched the video.

I just don't know. Would Ron Paul make the best President we've seen in decades? Sure. Will he win? Don't know. Will he get equal support next time around? Maybe, but also not sure.

I for one feel differently now. I was hoping that this movement would learn from what was happening and turn inward on itself and see the opportunity for real change. We claim to be "individuals" but we sit around and fight with one another until some leader type comes around and says, "I'll go to Washington for you." Even AJ, who I started listening to after 9/11 seems off-base to me now. I used to always criticize that the man had no strategy. Now his strategy is to have ongoing political campaigns? I fear if Ron Paul does run again, and generates enough buzz, it will cause more splits in the movement.

Why will it split? Well, we already got the Austrian crowd claiming intellectual superiority in all things economic. We got the conspiracy theorists that managed to avoid the banhammer constantly spreading fear and paranoia so that most everyone is clicking "New Posts", anxiously waiting for the next piece of sky to fall.

This movement is/was widespread because it tapped into peoples desperation and their REAL desire for change. If the movement is to grow beyond this myopic political campaign tunnel-vision it has, it will have to start looking inward, and realizing that we ourselves are the true enemy.

2012 is a long time away. We will spend millions purchasing ad time from MSM for Paul/Paul/Schiff/Kokesh ( list keeps growing ) but what is our overall strategic vision? What is it that Ron Paul will do that Obama couldn't be asked to do? Is it ok for the "movement" to talk to Obama? Can we talk to democrats? Who decides these things? Who are the other liberty lovers in my area? How come only CFL has detailed contact info? What is CFL's budget? Who is planning anything?

I don't know guys and gals. We funneled all this desperation into Ron Paul as our savior, our leader, our Yoda, our whatever. The common desperation we have is what brought us together, Ron Paul was only the catalyst.

I'm not against Ron Paul running for President, but I may be more inclined to do things corollary to the campaign itself that will exist beyond this campaign stuff. I understand that people can only do what they know how to do. I'm not blaming RP for going the political route, that's what he knows. Plus we've heard many times RP and AJ tell us to be creative and be critical thinkers, but are we doing that?

We all want to 'wake up' the people, but I think many of the younger people would be surprised to learn that there are lots of people older who have "woken up", but they've also "given up". I was talking to a former boss of mine the other day, who says we're nothing but a rerun of the United We Stand movement. I tend to agree, and I fear RP's second run will be just like Perot's.

We need to see what our strengths and weaknesses are. We need our own systems of communication, our own methods of planning and organizing apart from any temporary campaign ( what CFL is supposed to be but isn't ).

We also need a heck of a lot more internal education and discipline, because we've got quite a few liberty loving supporters within our ranks who themselves need to be "woken up" if only in the area of what basic decency and respect for others is.

Ugh, done ranting. :D

JenH88
10-30-2009, 10:53 AM
^ yup, the infighting needs to stop.. the superiority complexes need to stop.. who cares who's 'more pure libertarian'? we need all the help we can get in this fight.. freedom means we're all unique, all different- freedom and acceptance is supposed to bring us TOGETHER.. this type of stuff keeps me away from the forums a lot, esp after i posted a thread a while back looking for support but ended up getting flamed because my family choose to not take unemployment.. *shakes head* not all of us hold the same philosophies.. people need to realize that if we are going to actually draw support into this movement..

i disagree with those who propose he should wait to announce til after 2010 elections, i think his announcement would STRENGTHEN the 2010 elections, fire the grassroots up again and point to the 2010 elections "here's what else we can do in the meantime"... theres many from the last campaign who arent around these days...

AuH20
10-30-2009, 11:06 AM
The real goal of any ron paul presidency bid is to get him in the national presidential debates like Perot did. Obviously, the national debate commission wants no part of a firebrand like Ron Paul, so it's uphill climbing.

tangent4ronpaul
10-30-2009, 11:45 AM
2012 is a long time away. We will spend millions purchasing ad time from MSM for Paul/Paul/Schiff/Kokesh ( list keeps growing ) but what is our overall strategic vision? ... Who are the other liberty lovers in my area? How come only CFL has detailed contact info? What is CFL's budget? Who is planning anything?

First part - see JenH's post quoted below.

CFL is the problem right now. They can't endorse or actively support a candidate. They promiced to be bottom up, but became top down. Communication is controlled and limited. Only what is "blessed" gets full exposure. The NDA's and fees turned people off. They are really the anti-thesis of Web 2.0. The focus has been on keeping things local, and in so doing have killed innovation and connecting people with similar interests and skills. The really inovative things that went on were the result of the grassroots. It was those inovative things that got us the media attention we did. If you want to be knowticed, you need to do something different. CFL wants a bunch of obiedient canvasers / door knockers. They are not doing badly on their stated mission - education and supporting certain legislation, but as a base for a presidentail run they are at best worthless, and at worst seriously detramental to the movement.



We need to see what our strengths and weaknesses are. We need our own systems of communication, our own methods of planning and organizing apart from any temporary campaign ( what CFL is supposed to be but isn't ).

That's a hard one. We lost a lot of Meetups because CFL was supposed to be a new "home" for everyone. But then they becane the new problem. Granted Meetup isn't perfect, and we still have a lot of Meetups left but we are loosing some every week. We can get many of these people back, but it would take a lot of effort. Beyond that, we are spread all over the place. Facebook and MySpace are terratorial and keep everything inside their walls. You have to be a member to play. Meetup Alliance and APL's are starting to break through this, but not really well. Other sites ... yahoo, RPF, DP, BTM, YT, etc... MS and FB in particular actively hinder communication via their anti-spam filters.



i disagree with those who propose he should wait to announce til after 2010 elections, i think his announcement would STRENGTHEN the 2010 elections, fire the grassroots up again and point to the 2010 elections "here's what else we can do in the meantime"... theres many from the last campaign who arent around these days...

Exactly! His possition as a candidate would give him media attention and better allow him to stump for other candidates for 2010. OTOH: he's not considered a "threat" now - remember the MSM blackouts? So he may get more media face time now that he's not considered a threat. I can see ups and downs to both approaches.

-t

American Idol
10-30-2009, 11:55 AM
^ yup, the infighting needs to stop.. the superiority complexes need to stop.. who cares who's 'more pure libertarian'?

These are the exact reasons why the Libertarian Party has sucked so bad in recent times.

Bucjason
10-30-2009, 12:08 PM
These are the exact reasons why the Libertarian Party has sucked so bad in recent times.

This and the fact they are baby killers...:p

wizardwatson
10-30-2009, 12:35 PM
First part - see JenH's post quoted below.

CFL is the problem right now. They can't endorse or actively support a candidate. They promised to be bottom up, but became top down. Communication is controlled and limited. Only what is "blessed" gets full exposure. The NDA's and fees turned people off. They are really the anti-thesis of Web 2.0. The focus has been on keeping things local, and in so doing have killed innovation and connecting people with similar interests and skills. The really inovative things that went on were the result of the grassroots. It was those inovative things that got us the media attention we did. If you want to be knowticed, you need to do something different. CFL wants a bunch of obiedient canvasers / door knockers. They are not doing badly on their stated mission - education and supporting certain legislation, but as a base for a presidentail run they are at best worthless, and at worst seriously detramental to the movement.

Couldn't have said it better concerning CFL.




That's a hard one. We lost a lot of Meetups because CFL was supposed to be a new "home" for everyone. But then they becane the new problem. Granted Meetup isn't perfect, and we still have a lot of Meetups left but we are loosing some every week. We can get many of these people back, but it would take a lot of effort. Beyond that, we are spread all over the place. Facebook and MySpace are terratorial and keep everything inside their walls. You have to be a member to play. Meetup Alliance and APL's are starting to break through this, but not really well. Other sites ... yahoo, RPF, DP, BTM, YT, etc... MS and FB in particular actively hinder communication via their anti-spam filters.

Well, you and a few others are already tapped in to the fact that we need to rethink our organizational tactics and strategies from the ground up. Most of these websites are simply fancy bulletin boards/rss feeds, including this one.

I'm still thinking that a basic pledge-plan-collect-execute type process could work online, but for it to work safely and efficiently, we need more awareness and knowledge of each other. Another problem is having a cohesive enough 'overall' goal that small missions/plans/ideas/events make sense to those contributing and participating. Being part of RP 2012 isn't going to appeal to lefties, but an underground organization that is anti-war/anti-agression might.


Still I'm juggling a lot of this around in my head though. Big puzzle lots of pieces.

libertarian4321
10-31-2009, 04:34 AM
How does a so-called libertarian vote for Obama?! Granted our choices in 2008 SUCKED. The LP had a so-called reformed Neo-Con instead of the true Libertarian Mary Ruwart, and the CP Presidential Candidate was too theocratic. McCain is the defacto definition of a Neo-Con, and Obama a Marxist. Wow, awesome choices lmao. The least of the worse of these guys was Baldwin.

Seriously though...HOW DID YOU (libertarian4321) VOTE FOR A MARXIST? :confused::confused:

I voted for Obama (my vote was meaningless given that I live in Texas, and Texas always goes Republican) out of disgust for Palin and McCain and Bob Barr (my only other choice on the ballot- putting that neocon tool on the ballot showed how far astray the LP had gone). My way of telling the warmongering neocons (in both the GOP and LP) to go fuck themselves. Actually, my disgust for the Palin/McCain campaign went far deeper than just the fact that they were big government neocon warmongering idiots- I thought they ran an utterly vile campaign.

If the GOP and LP keep nominating assholes like that, I may do it again! I expect bad candidates from the Dem Party, but it really pisses me off when we get such vile nominees from the GOP and LP.

So if you don't want me to vote for Obama, you'd all better work your asses off and get Ron Paul nominated! :)

libertarian4321
10-31-2009, 04:36 AM
No bald man has come close to the presidency since television became important, so Ventura is not valid.



I'm pretty sure that if the American people can put a black man in office for the first time in 2008, "bald" won't be a deal breaker in 2012.

That's not an endorsement of Ventura, I just don't think "bald" is likely to be the reason he doesn't get elected.

libertarian4321
10-31-2009, 04:49 AM
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get over your preconceived notions. AJ is a great force and we've seen what can be done when we all combine. AJ + Ron Paul = unstoppable.



Alex Jones supported Ron in the last election. Did we win?

It's possible that for everyone AJ brings in with his show, another is scared away by AJ and his rants.

AJ does a great job rallying the CT types to the cause, but I think he scares off a lot of people. For a lot of folks, hearing an AJ endorsement for Dr. Paul will lead them to dismiss RP as a "kook" because they think AJ is a raving lunatic

Dr. Paul was all too often easily brushed off as a kook in the last election, not because of what Dr. Paul said, but because of what some of his supporters said. He was often associated with truthers and the like- and when AJ is your loudest supporter, that's easy to do.

I know this is going to upset a lot of you, but no one is going to win a Presidential election in this country if he is associated with truthers or Bilderberger conspiracy theories or any of a number of other items AJ rants about.

Mattsa
10-31-2009, 05:03 AM
Alex Jones supported Ron in the last election. Did we win?

It's possible that for everyone AJ brings in with his show, another is scared away by AJ and his rants.

AJ does a great job rallying the CT types to the cause, but I think he scares off a lot of people. For a lot of folks, hearing an AJ endorsement for Dr. Paul will lead them to dismiss RP as a "kook" because they think AJ is a raving lunatic

Dr. Paul was all too often easily brushed off as a kook in the last election, not because of what Dr. Paul said, but because of what some of his supporters said. He was often associated with truthers and the like- and when AJ is your loudest supporter, that's easy to do.

I know this is going to upset a lot of you, but no one is going to win a Presidential election in this country if he is associated with truthers or Bilderberger conspiracy theories or any of a number of other items AJ rants about.

Are you saying that supranational bodies such as Bilderberg don't have much responsibility for engineering what is going on in the world right now?

The Bilderberg Group IS the policy body that is responsible for the destruction of national sovereignty and the creation of world governance. This is a fact, not a tin foil hat conspiracy.

I'm a British citizen and all of our most senior politicians are Bilderberg attendees. Bliar and Mandelson on the Labour side, Cameron, Osborne and Ken Clarke on the Conservative side. We have been living in a one party state in the UK for decades. The political elite are put there to make you believe you have choices.

I got news for you pal. You don't have CHOICES. You have OWNERS! They own this fekkn place. They own the Fed. They own Congress. They own the Senate. They own the media. They control what you see on TV or read in newspapers and they control what your kids learn at school.

I just read this morning in the UK that Ron Paul may run in 2012.

THANK GOD! That's all I can say

Pon Paul is the modern day Winston Churchill. He, and a few other brave individuals are all that stands between liberty and tyranny. If this story is true, it will be a massive shot in the arm for the liberty movement.

ProBlue33
10-31-2009, 10:47 AM
Ok how about this, Ron waits until Rand wins his senate seat in KY. Then announces he is running for president, and if he wins the primary he will pick Rand as his VP, a now sitting senator. A father and son team, that way if his health fails while in office his son can take over.

Ron / Rand 2012

Now that would be an exciting ticket

klamath
10-31-2009, 10:52 AM
Ok how about this, Ron waits until Rand wins his senate seat in KY. Then announces he is running for president, and if he wins the primary he will pick Rand as his VP, a now sitting senator. A father and son team, that way if his health fails while in office his son can take over.

Ron / Rand 2012

Now that would be an exciting ticket

I think that would have nepotism written all over it and would cost them, but who knows the Kennedy's got by with it.

IPSecure
10-31-2009, 10:55 AM
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/

ForLiberty-RonPaul
10-31-2009, 11:01 AM
Ok how about this, Ron waits until Rand wins his senate seat in KY. Then announces he is running for president, and if he wins the primary he will pick Rand as his VP, a now sitting senator. A father and son team, that way if his health fails while in office his son can take over.

Ron / Rand 2012

Now that would be an exciting ticket

oh for the love.... this is the last thing we want. Open the door for this type of nepotism and you'll see this republic gone tomorrow.

sofia
10-31-2009, 11:40 AM
I know this is going to upset a lot of you, but no one is going to win a Presidential election in this country if he is associated with truthers or Bilderberger conspiracy theories or any of a number of other items AJ rants about.


Yeah, OK...let's sell out and water everything down so that the MSM won't call us "kooks."

That's EXACTLY what the GOP did many years ago. Now look at em.

If the sheeple cant handle the truth, blame them....not AJ.

tremendoustie
10-31-2009, 11:44 AM
I voted for Obama (my vote was meaningless given that I live in Texas, and Texas always goes Republican) out of disgust for Palin and McCain and Bob Barr (my only other choice on the ballot- putting that neocon tool on the ballot showed how far astray the LP had gone). My way of telling the warmongering neocons (in both the GOP and LP) to go fuck themselves. Actually, my disgust for the Palin/McCain campaign went far deeper than just the fact that they were big government neocon warmongering idiots- I thought they ran an utterly vile campaign.

If the GOP and LP keep nominating assholes like that, I may do it again! I expect bad candidates from the Dem Party, but it really pisses me off when we get such vile nominees from the GOP and LP.

So if you don't want me to vote for Obama, you'd all better work your asses off and get Ron Paul nominated! :)

The thing is, your voice was drowned out by hoards of sheep voting for obama because they think he's the greatest, and that's how your vote was interpreted. If you want to make a statement for liberty, and there's no one who stands for liberty on the ballot, write someone in.

Sandman33
10-31-2009, 11:53 AM
oh for the love.... this is the last thing we want. Open the door for this type of nepotism and you'll see this republic gone tomorrow.

The republic is gone today...

Pfft... I'd much rather have those two. Try and bump off Ron and you've got the same ideals with Rand.

And I'm sure they'd do a LOT better than the Bush nepotism.

ForLiberty-RonPaul
10-31-2009, 11:55 AM
The republic is gone today...

Pfft... I'd much rather have those two. Try and bump off Ron and you've got the same ideals with Rand.

And I'm sure they'd do a LOT better than the Bush nepotism.

yes, that's it. it doesn't matter what we have as long as it's your guy. how is that any different than what we're fighting?

Baptist
08-16-2010, 05:34 PM
In light of Collin's thread....

/bump

YouTube - Alex Jones Drafts Ron Paul for 2012 Presidency Bid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07vWM74PL-8&feature=player_embedded)

Volitzer
08-16-2010, 07:11 PM
Okay first let's have the Tea Parties, Constitution Party and Libertarian Party united in getting Ron Paul elected.

2nd Let's let all the Nader supporters to jump on the bandwagon. This will be our biggest obstacle.

IPSecure
08-16-2010, 07:34 PM
2nd Let's let all the Nader supporters to jump on the bandwagon. This will be our biggest obstacle.

Or, will it?


Christina Tobin (http://www.freeandequal.org/) returns to disclose information on a 2012 Ron Paul Presidential bid...

Restore The Republic - Reality Report #24: [/URL][url]http://realityreport.blip.tv/file/2730738/ (http://realityreport.blip.tv/file/2730738/)

Fredom101
08-16-2010, 07:38 PM
I'm hoping that this time around we just hammer home a few key issues, and stay hardline on them. In my opinion, RP (and all of us) should just keeping hammering on these issues:

1) End the income tax that's enslaving us
2) End the fed that is killing our economy
3) End the wars that are pointless, immoral, and helping to kill the economy (unless you're in the military-industrial complex)
4) End the drug war that is costing us billions, creating crime, making the drug problem far worse, and putting millions of innocent people in jail.

Of course there are a lot of other issues but I say we just keep talking about these. They are at the core of the problems. We have to get really good at all the common objections we will hear everywhere.

Perhaps we should make a flyer for US, the ones who are promoting liberty (and possibly Ron Paul).

-Here are the 4 key issues
-Here's where we stand and what we are proposing and why
-Here's a list of common objections and great rebuttals and follow up questions

That's it. When someone says "Oh Ron Paul doesn't have a chance to win", we don't even bother arguing. Instead, we just talk about the issues. 1-2-3-4. Pretty soon everyone in the country will be issue-focused instead of candidate-focused, and the answer will be obvious.

Todd
08-16-2010, 07:48 PM
Yep!

His age does worry me though...

He's in great body and mind for a Septuagenarian. 70's are the new 60's and all that jazz.
It may bother the average voter, but like so many things, it's really a non issue.

Why is it so many people think someone is too old for the presidency, but being a 100 yr old walking vegtable like Thurmond and Byrd is just fine?

tjeffersonsghost
08-16-2010, 08:03 PM
how easily we forgot... ron paul goes on aj's show! mods need to keep this on topic so we can keep the liberal tactic of ad hominem attacks on the other boards.

Everyone needs to quit their ninnying about aj or whatever and get behind this. We need rp to run to expand the movement. Last yr was a success and rp can easily build upon that.. We have the momentum!

+100

jmdrake
08-16-2010, 09:46 PM
Did Charlie Sheen tell him that?

No. Matt Collins did. ;)

Pistis
08-17-2010, 02:14 AM
get over your preconceived notions. AJ is a great force and we've seen what can be done when we all combine. AJ + Ron Paul = unstoppable.

All other who want to divide us, get the hell out of the way.

Stay focused on the mission of the IDEA of LIBERTY.

+1