Ole Miss seeks to silence 'rising South' chant

[bobbyw24]

Ole Miss seeks to silence 'rising South' chant

By SHELIA BYRD (AP) – 6 days ago

JACKSON, Miss. — The University of Mississippi has shortened one of its fight songs to discourage football fans from chanting "the South will rise again" during part of the tune, which critics say is an offensive reminder of the region's intolerant past.

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However, some fans have continued to recite the chant at the end of the song, "From Dixie With Love," despite the change made last week at the chancellor's request. The Ole Miss band performs the medley before and after games.

Earlier this month, the Ole Miss student government passed a resolution suggesting the chant be replaced by the phrase, "To hell with LSU."

Dan Jones, who became Ole Miss chancellor in July, said he asked the school's band director, David Wilson, to modify the song to support the efforts of the Associated Student Body. He said he has received complaints from alumni that the slogan is offensive.

"The fact is, the phrase 'The South Will Rise Again' is not part of our tradition or spirit, and it is inconsistent with the university's values and what Ole Miss stands for — a great public university with a focus on the future," Jones said in a phone interview Thursday from the campus in Oxford.

The modified version of the song ends abruptly before the chanting phase starts. It was first played Saturday at Ole Miss's homecoming game against the University of Alabama at Birmingham, but that didn't stop some fans from chanting.

Brian Ferguson, 26, head of the Colonel Reb Foundation, said he views the university actions as an attempt to silence students.

"I think it's a big to-do about nothing. There were very few people other than the students who knew to say it," said Ferguson, whose organization works to preserve traditions at Ole Miss

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[kathy88]

This is reason 1,698,587,432 why our country is a mess.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Ole Miss seeks to silence 'rising South' chant

By SHELIA BYRD (AP) – 6 days ago

JACKSON, Miss. — The University of Mississippi has shortened one of its fight songs to discourage football fans from chanting "the South will rise again" during part of the tune, which critics say is an offensive reminder of the region's intolerant past.

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However, some fans have continued to recite the chant at the end of the song, "From Dixie With Love," despite the change made last week at the chancellor's request. The Ole Miss band performs the medley before and after games.

Earlier this month, the Ole Miss student government passed a resolution suggesting the chant be replaced by the phrase, "To hell with LSU."

Dan Jones, who became Ole Miss chancellor in July, said he asked the school's band director, David Wilson, to modify the song to support the efforts of the Associated Student Body. He said he has received complaints from alumni that the slogan is offensive.

"The fact is, the phrase 'The South Will Rise Again' is not part of our tradition or spirit, and it is inconsistent with the university's values and what Ole Miss stands for — a great public university with a focus on the future," Jones said in a phone interview Thursday from the campus in Oxford.

The modified version of the song ends abruptly before the chanting phase starts. It was first played Saturday at Ole Miss's homecoming game against the University of Alabama at Birmingham, but that didn't stop some fans from chanting.

Brian Ferguson, 26, head of the Colonel Reb Foundation, said he views the university actions as an attempt to silence students.

"I think it's a big to-do about nothing. There were very few people other than the students who knew to say it," said Ferguson, whose organization works to preserve traditions at Ole Miss

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As you can see, even in the heartland of the South liberal infiltration and hatred of free speech runs amok. As a Southerner, and one of the most proud you will find, I still think that slogan is a bit too cliche lmao. I think instead a better slogan would be "Southern Independance", and if you want, you can add "With Liberty & Freedom!".

Just me though :D I hate how slavery is only ever associated with the South. The victors always write history.....:mad:

[bobbyw24]

As you can see, even in the heartland of the South liberal infiltration and hatred of free speech runs amok.

True. As a graduate of Ole Miss, I have seen most of its traditions killed off one by one. Every morning I was woken up by the Pride of the South Marching Band playing "Dixie" outside my dormitory.

Soon the names "Ole Miss" and "Rebels" will be gone from Ole Miss--all in the name of diversity and progress.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

True. As a graduate of Ole Miss, I have seen most of its traditions killed off one by one. Every morning I was woken up by the Pride of the South Marching Band playing "Dixie" outside my dormitory.

Soon the names "Ole Miss" and "Rebels" will be gone from Ole Miss--all in the name of diversity and progress.

Love Dixie! Remember, they stripped Georgia of it's tradition and State Flag because of "tolerance". :mad: I say FUCK EM. I wonder if Ray McBerry would try and bring it back?

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[bobbyw24]

Diversity and Tolerance are one-way streets

[sofia]

I wish the south would rise again. This Yankee would like to join em.

[JeNNiF00F00]

Sofia is a part of a growing trend.

[kahless]

I wish the south would rise again. This Yankee would like to join em.

+2

[silverhandorder]

The South needs to do something we screwed up here.

[Epic]

South needs to rise again ASAP

[silverhawks]

Diversity and Tolerance are one-way streets

This has NOTHING to do with tolerance; this is a complete LACK of tolerance.

Tolerance leads us to accept that our neighbors are sovereign in their own right, creating an actual common bond between us...which is why critical theorists attempt to link it to "diversity" and "multiculturalism" which are nothing but tools of division and segregration.

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...Earlier this month, the Ole Miss student government passed a resolution suggesting the chant be replaced by the phrase, "To hell with LSU."

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This has NOTHING to do with tolerance; this is a complete LACK of tolerance.



Clearly.

Some neighbors are more inviolate than other neighbors?

[torchbearer]

This has NOTHING to do with tolerance; this is a complete LACK of tolerance..

It is a lack of tolerance. A lack of tolerance for people's traditions.

[Carole]

Political correctness once again rears its ugly head. :eek:

"The South Shall Rise Again" :)

Truly harmless.

[Carole]

All those who DEMAND tolerance are actually being INTOLERANT.

PC :)

[unklejman]

I don't know anything about regional viagra, but I sure would at least like my states government to stand up to the Feds.

[malkusm]

Two stories:

1) I am from Maryland. Throughout my childhood, and up until my freshman year of college (not at Maryland), the University of Maryland band would play "Rock & Roll, Pt. 2" at basketball games (the "Hey!" song):

YouTube - Gary Glitter - Rock'n Roll Part 2 1972 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xd44PWZGzg)

The Maryland students, for as long as I remember, always chanted "Hey! You Suck!" and then in the drum breakdown that followed, "We're Gonna Beat The Hell Outta You, And You, And You, And You" while pointing to opposing players.

In 2005 (or 2006, forget which), the university threatened to stop funding the band if they didn't stop playing the song; it hasn't been played since (although students still attempt to perform the cheer without the band).

2) I went to school at Virginia Tech. A long-standing tradition at football games was, when the VT offense had the ball inside the opponents' 20-yard line, the drum section would strike up a cadence and would lead a cheer called "Stick It In." The cheer was basically "Ohhhhhhhhh, Ohhhhhhhh, Stick It In, Stick It In, Stick It In!" University officials didn't like it that some students made a hip-thrusting motion that they found offensive, and ordered the band to stop playing the cadence.

[LibertyEagle]

The religious discussion has been moved, here:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=217140

[ChaosControl]

I don't see why people hate tradition so much.
Tradition is the past's gift to the present. It is in a way a summary of all that has happened up to now. It should be honored and live forever while adding aspects of today to it. To throw it away is to throw away the past. The past is as important as the present and future.

I think this obsession the modern time has with eliminating every trace of tradition and culture from our lives is a big part of the over all problem of society today. Society is becoming soul-less.

[ChaosControl]

This has NOTHING to do with tolerance; this is a complete LACK of tolerance.

Tolerance leads us to accept that our neighbors are sovereign in their own right, creating an actual common bond between us...which is why critical theorists attempt to link it to "diversity" and "multiculturalism" which are nothing but tools of division and segregration.

"Multiculturalism" is a contradictory term in reality. I love culture and tradition of the many places in the world, I think it is one of the most fascinating areas of study and if I can find a way, would love to somehow make a career related to such. The thing with "multiculturalism" though is not that we have all the cultures on display within a short distance of each other or a mixing of the cultures. All it really means is you may have people who once had culture living near people who once had a different kind of culture, in the end both threw away their culture and nothing is left. Even "diversity" doesn't mean anything since everyone just acts the same anymore. If you see one urban area in the world, you've just about seen them all. The only difference between them is the extremely small amount of culture that has managed to survive, this amount is ever shrinking.

It lives a bit more in the rural areas, but even there it is endangered.

[mommaliberty]

I wish the south would rise again. This Yankee would like to join em.

let me tell ya... the South WILL rise again! I can feel it in my bones.

[Justinjj1]

A return to a feudalistic, overtly racist, agricultural society controlled by an over priviliged planter elite. Excuse me if I do not share in your nostalgia for the good ole days of the South.

[sratiug]

A return to a feudalistic, overtly racist, agricultural society controlled by an over priviliged planter elite. Excuse me if I do not share in your nostalgia for the good ole days of the South.

Slavery was legal in the North when the racist Lincoln invaded the South.

[Justinjj1]

Slavery was legal in the North when the racist Lincoln invaded the South.

If by North you mean Kentucky, Missouri, Maryland, and Delaware then sure. Although the number of slaves in those states were negligible. I think we all know what the slogan "The South will Rise Again" is referring to and it is definitely not some libertarian utopia.

[Dieseler]

If by North you mean Kentucky, Missouri, Maryland, and Delaware then sure. Although the number of slaves in those states were negligible. I think we all know what the slogan "The South will Rise Again" is referring to and it is definitely not some libertarian utopia.

New York City and northern New Jersey, rural Pennsylvania, and the shipping towns of Connecticut and Rhode Island.
The North failed to develop large-scale agrarian slavery, such as later arose in the Deep South, but that had little to do with morality and much to do with climate and economy.

You can climb down off your cross now Yankee.

African slavery is so much the outstanding feature of the South, in the unthinking view of it, that people often forget there had been slaves in all the old colonies. Slaves were auctioned openly in the Market House of Philadelphia; in the shadow of Congregational churches in Rhode Island; in Boston taverns and warehouses; and weekly, sometimes daily, in Merchant's Coffee House of New York. Such Northern heroes of the American Revolution as John Hancock and Benjamin Franklin bought, sold, and owned black people. William Henry Seward, Lincoln's anti-slavery Secretary of State during the Civil War, born in 1801, grew up in Orange County, New York, in a slave-owning family and amid neighbors who owned slaves if they could afford them. The family of Abraham Lincoln himself, when it lived in Pennsylvania in colonial times, owned slaves.[1]


1. For Seward, see Doris Kearns Goodwin, "Team of Rivals" [Simon & Schuster, 2005], pp.30-31. For Lincoln: "RUN away on the 13th of September last from Abraham Lincoln of Springfield in the County of Chester, a Negro Man named Jack, about 30 Years of Age, low Stature, speaks little or no English, has a Scar by the Corner of one Eye, in the Form of a V, his Teeth notched, and the Top of one of his Fore Teeth broke; He had on when he went away an old Hat, a grey Jacket partly like a Sailor's Jacket. Whoever secures the said Negro and brings him to his Master, or to Mordecai Lincoln ... shall have Twenty Shillings Reward and reasonable Charges" [Pennsylvania Gazette, Oct. 15, 1730]. Mordecai Lincoln (1686-1736) was great-great-grandfather of President Lincoln.

Climb down indeed before lighting strikes you down.
Hypocrite.
You have no idea what "The South will Rise Again" means but if things continue like they are now you can bet your ass you're gonna find out what it means.

[Arklatex]

I have a family member in school at Ole Miss, next time I visit I'll be sure to yell it twice for good measure. :D

Also, telling LSU to go to HEll is a lot more offensive! :confused:

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Also the South had four-times the amount of Anti-Slavery societies as did the North. A Southern Judge freed Dredd Scott, but the SCOTUS overturned it. Thomas Jefferson fought to make slavery illegal and he eventually freed his slaves.

Yes, it was a great tragedy, but the North is at as much fault, if not more so than the South. Remember, the victors write history....(at least the history that is taught by the Government.)

And if you want to know what the soldiers thought, here's from Thomas Woods: Politically Incorrect Guide to American History -

Southern Soldier : "Times may grow a great deal worse than they now are, and still we can stand it -- And even then not go through what our Grandparents went through, when they were struggling for the same thing that we are now fighting for."

Northern Soldiers : "We are fighting for the Union, a high and noble sentiment, but after all a sentiment. They are fighting for independance and are animated by passion and hatred against invaders."

The highlighted is what is meant by the South Will Rise Again..

Oh guess what. The Cherokee Nation fought and aligned with the Confederate States of America. This is what the said in their declaration:

"Disclaiming any intention to invade the Northern States, they [Southerners] sought only to repel the invaders from their own soil and to secure the right of governing themselves. They claimed only the privilege asserted in the Declaration of American Independance, and on which the right of Northern States themselves to self-government is formed, and altering their form of government when it became no longer tolerable and establishing new forms for their security of their liberties...."

-- But in the Northern States the Cherokee people saw with alarm a violated Constitution, all civil liberty put in peril, and all rules of civilized warfare and the dictates of common humanity and decency unhesitatingly disregarded. In the states which still adhered to the Union a military despotism had displaced civilian power and the laws became silent with arms. -- Page 70, T. Woods - Politically Incorrect Guide to American History

"....Whatever causes the Cherokee people may have had in the past to complain of some of the Southern States, they cannot but feel that their interests and destiny are inseperably connected to those of the South. The war now waging is a war of Northern cupidity and fanatacism against the institution of African servitude (Not until it became politically and militarily expedient), against the commercial freedom of the South, and against the political freedom of the states, and its objects are to annihilate the sovereignty of those states and utterly change the nature of the general government."

PS: All five major Indian tribes sided with the Confederacy -- Cherokee, Choctaws, Chickasaws, Creeks, and Seminoles. Also the Confederacy promised these Indians their own States, not a mere federal reservation like they currently enjoy..

I HATE NORTHERN PROPAGANDA BS. Southern Independance! I wish the South would take note of New Hampshire....

[BlackTerrel]

As you can see, even in the heartland of the South liberal infiltration and hatred of free speech runs amok.

I think you are confusing what free speech means? No one is saying you aren't allowed to say this chant - they're saying this chant is offensive and meaningless so please stop saying it.

The South is not going to rise again. So it's a bit of a meaningless chant no?

[BlackTerrel]

I wish the south would rise again. This Yankee would like to join em.

Now there's a shocker :D

Not going to happen though.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

I think you are confusing what free speech means? No one is saying you aren't allowed to say this chant - they're saying this chant is offensive and meaningless so please stop saying it.

The South is not going to rise again. So it's a bit of a meaningless chant no?

How do you know? I hope it does. Debra Medina would be one great step. Ray McBerry would be the second great step. New Hampshire will be happy to join, I'm sure! We welcome all who love liberty and sovereignty.

You have something against independance and sovereignty? I bet you believe in the perpetuity of the Union, and "national unity" balogne. Read the Declaration of Independance my friend. Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry would have seceeded 75 years ago.

[Dieseler]

YouTube - Charlie Daniels Band - A few More Rednecks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XluWvWa8pIc&feature=related)

[Dieseler]

YouTube - Rebel Pride! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_5gH7oX8X8&feature=related)

[Dieseler]

YouTube - CONFEDERATE SONG ~ TO ARMS IN DIXIE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd1oA47Ti0I&feature=related)

[Dieseler]

YouTube - The Confederate Soldier ~ song "Johnny Reb" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJD0Eall4Dw&feature=related)

[BlackTerrel]

You have something against independance and sovereignty? I bet you believe in the perpetuity of the Union, and "national unity" balogne. Read the Declaration of Independance my friend. Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry would have seceeded 75 years ago.

Are you asking whether I support the US breaking apart into little pieces and then waging a war against ourselves where probably hundreds of thousands if not millions would die? Hmmm let me think about this for a second... I'm going to go with no.

But I don't think about it much since it is not going to happen. It's about 10,000 on my list of things I am worried about. 9,999 is an asteroid hitting earth and destroying all intelligent life. 10,001 is Max going in a time machine and killing my mom so that I am never born. This is in the middle of those two.

[BlackTerrel]

Dieseler please post some more YouTube videos about the South.

[Dieseler]

You got it Blacky.

YouTube - Oh i'm a good o'l Rebel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vioW12KDMuE&feature=related)

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Are you asking whether I support the US breaking apart into little pieces and then waging a war against ourselves where probably hundreds of thousands if not millions would die? Hmmm let me think about this for a second... I'm going to go with no.

But I don't think about it much since it is not going to happen. It's about 10,000 on my list of things I am worried about. 9,999 is an asteroid hitting earth and destroying all intelligent life. 10,001 is Max going in a time machine and killing my mom so that I am never born. This is in the middle of those two.

Secession is peaceful or did that just happen to fly over your head? The South fought to defend itself. If you're against secession, you are against peaceful means to restore our liberty. You also therefore must be against the Revolutionary War. We seceeded from Britain. It was peaceful. The British invaded us, we didn't aggress on them.

I won't get too excited that you might learn some logical deductive reasoning anytime soon....

[Dieseler]

Throwin' this one in (ya) just for fun.
YouTube - HANK WILLIAMS III - Dick In Dixie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEY8ARSGHTU)

[Justinjj1]

New York City and northern New Jersey, rural Pennsylvania, and the shipping towns of Connecticut and Rhode Island.
The North failed to develop large-scale agrarian slavery, such as later arose in the Deep South, but that had little to do with morality and much to do with climate and economy.

You can climb down off your cross now Yankee.

Climb down indeed before lighting strikes you down.
Hypocrite.
You have no idea what "The South will Rise Again" means but if things continue like they are now you can bet your ass you're gonna find out what it means.




You're referring to colonial times, sure it existed in the North then. All I am saying is that the pre-Civil War south is not a place that I would like to be returning to, which is the meaning of the phrase. Yankee? Ive lived my whole life in Texas. So why dont you hop down off your cross . And I sincerely doubt that you or any other .... is going to make me "find out what it means."

[Dieseler]

At the time of the Civil War slavery did not exist in the North. Im not talking about colonial times, Im not even trying to argue which economic system is preferable. All I am saying is that the pre-Civil War south is not a place that I would like to be returning to, which is the meaning of the phrase. Yankee? Ive lived my whole life in Texas. So why dont you hop down off your cross [redacted by Mod].

The facts remain. You have no moral standing (High Ground) in your argument.
You are full of shit.
Pot meet kettle.
Wanna call names?
I'm a motherfucker now, fair warning.


Nothing illustrates this process better, perhaps, than the semantic development of the word "Yankee," which, in United States usage, always meant "a New Englander" before the Civil War. But within a decade of Appomattox, it was being used generically by Americans to mean "an American, regardless of place of residence."

Early 19th century New Englanders had real motives for forgetting their slave history, or, if they recalled it at all, for characterizing it as a brief period of mild servitude. This was partly a Puritan effort to absolve New England's ancestors of their guilt. The cleansing of history had a racist motive as well, denying blacks -- slave or free -- a legitimate place in New England history. But most importantly, the deliberate creation of a "mythology of a free New England" was a crucial event in the history of sectional conflict in America. The North, and New England in particular, sought to demonize the South through its institution of slavery; they did this in part by burying their own histories as slave-owners and slave-importers. At the same time, behind the potent rhetoric of Daniel Webster and others, they enshrined New England values as the essential ones of the Revolution, and the new nation. In so doing, they characterized Southern interests as purely sectional and selfish. In the rhetorical battle, New England backed the South right out of the American mainstream.

The effects of the New England slave trade were momentous. It was one of the foundations of New England's economic structure; it created a wealthy class of slave-trading merchants, while the profits derived from this commerce stimulated cultural development and philanthropy. --Lorenzo Johnston Greene, “The Negro in Colonial New England, 1620-1776,” p.319.

[Justinjj1]

please go reread this thread and see who first brought up the North. Im not trying to defend them either.

[sratiug]

You're referring to colonial times, sure it existed in the North then. All I am saying is that the pre-Civil War south is not a place that I would like to be returning to, which is the meaning of the phrase. Yankee? Ive lived my whole life in Texas. So why dont you hop down off your cross douchebag. And I sincerely doubt that you or any other white trash, redneck idiot is going to make me "find out what it means."

Slavery existed in the North during the fighting of the Civil War, which means the Civil War had nothing whatsoever to do with slavery.

[Dieseler]

please go reread this thread and see who first brought up the North. Im not trying to defend them either.

But you just called me a Douchebag.
Oh God Damn, you called me White trash to...With a post count of 29.


Nothing illustrates this process better, perhaps, than the semantic development of the word "Yankee," which, in United States usage, always meant "a New Englander" before the Civil War. But within a decade of Appomattox, it was being used generically by Americans to mean "an American, regardless of place of residence."

Yankee.
Civil War I, wasn't about Slavery.
The next one won't be either.

[JeNNiF00F00]

god damn Yankees :P You can be in the south and be a yankee. If you are ashamed of your heritage then you may as well be a yankee. I know plenty of northerners that would fight for states rights.

[catdd]

"I know plenty of northerners that would fight for states rights."

I'm pretty sure secession is coming, but I don't believe it will be as simple as North-South this time either. I think it will be more like a Red-Blue secession and the states will be spread out.
Not sure if that will be an advantage or disadvantage.

[BlackTerrel]

Secession is peaceful or did that just happen to fly over your head? The South fought to defend itself. If you're against secession, you are against peaceful means to restore our liberty. You also therefore must be against the Revolutionary War. We seceeded from Britain. It was peaceful. The British invaded us, we didn't aggress on them.

What do you mean I must be against the Revolutionary War? You might as well ask me if I am against the building of the Pyramids, or the fall of the Ottoman Empire.. It already happened, a long time ago, it isn't exactly a current issue.

I am saying if a certain state (or group of states) decided to secede it would lead to a war and bloodshed. But it won't happen so I really don't give it much thought.

[BlackTerrel]

Throwin' this one in (ya) just for fun.
YouTube - HANK WILLIAMS III - Dick In Dixie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEY8ARSGHTU)

Dude I said songs about the South not gay porn.

[Dieseler]

Dude I said songs about the South not gay porn.
:D
That the best you can do... Insult Hank III?
I dittin' say nuttin' about Too Pok.
Tooth Pak, whatever his name is.
Be cool now.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

What do you mean I must be against the Revolutionary War? You might as well ask me if I am against the building of the Pyramids, or the fall of the Ottoman Empire.. It already happened, a long time ago, it isn't exactly a current issue.

I am saying if a certain state (or group of states) decided to secede it would lead to a war and bloodshed. But it won't happen so I really don't give it much thought.

Do you have any intellectual honesty? You said you would not support secession, because the peaceful seceeders who want to unshackle themselves from oppression, would be invaded therefore they would defend themselves and the "blood of patriots and tyrants would be spilled". I therefore said, if that is your position then you cannot logically support our secession from England. Defacto, you would rather have people live in tyranny than to try and assert their natural rights in a peaceful manner.

You are a tyrant by defacto pacifism.

[Anti Federalist]

god damn Yankees :P

I'll have you know I'm no god damn yankee.

There are three degrees of yankee:

1- Yankee, meaning a northerner.

2- Damn Yankee, a yankee who has moved down south.

3- God Damn Tankee, a yankee who has moved south, then never ceases to shut up about things were done in New York and how fucked up you are down south.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

You're referring to colonial times, sure it existed in the North then. All I am saying is that the pre-Civil War south is not a place that I would like to be returning to, which is the meaning of the phrase. Yankee? Ive lived my whole life in Texas. So why dont you hop down off your cross douchebag. And I sincerely doubt that you or any other white trash, redneck idiot is going to make me "find out what it means."

Did you know the South had four times the amount of anti-slavery societies as did the North? Did you know that only 4% of the South actually owned slaves? Have you read any of the diaries and letters by Southern soldiers? What about Northern? The men of the North knew it was about the Union and preserving the Union. They wrote as much. It was an invasion.

The men of the South overwhelming fought for their independance and sovereignty not only politically and economically, but for their natural rights of Self-Determination. The lead up to the War of Southern Independance had more to do with political power than anything else. This is why they had the Missouri Compromise and all sorts of other political means to keep the "balance" of power. Nevertheless the North still succeeded at economically strangling the South by use of Tariffs. South Carolina in fact used Nullification twice. The North seeked to subjugate the South and use them for extortion. The North were protectionist. The South were Free-Traders.

Read some history, please.

[Dieseler]

You're referring to colonial times, sure it existed in the North then. All I am saying is that the pre-Civil War south is not a place that I would like to be returning to, which is the meaning of the phrase. Yankee? Ive lived my whole life in Texas. So why dont you hop down off your cross [redacted by Moderator] And I sincerely doubt that you or any other [redacted by Moderator] is going to make me "find out what it means."


please go reread this thread and see who first brought up the North. Im not trying to defend them either.

Where'd ya go ?
I guess I'll keep checking back for ya.
After that last capitulation I'd love to try to understand why you even offered input at all.
This

A return to a feudalistic, overtly racist, agricultural society controlled by an over priviliged planter elite. Excuse me if I do not share in your nostalgia for the good ole days of the South.
is where you run the wheels off the wagon.

[BlackTerrel]

:D
That the best you can do... Insult Hank III?
I dittin' say nuttin' about Too Pok.
Tooth Pak, whatever his name is.
Be cool now.

You posted a song called "Dick in Dixie" what do you expect? And you can call him either Tupac or 2Pac - both are acceptable.

[Dieseler]

You posted a song called "Dick in Dixie" what do you expect? And you can call him either Tupac or 2Pac - both are acceptable.

Did you bother to listen to it?
I didn't think so.
I'll call him Toothpik if you call Hank III gay porn and I could care less what you think is acceptable.
Respect is a two way street, is it not?
Toothpik.

You make a few edits and I'll consider making a few myself.

[BlackTerrel]

Do you have any intellectual honesty? You said you would not support secession, because the peaceful seceeders who want to unshackle themselves from oppression, would be invaded therefore they would defend themselves and the "blood of patriots and tyrants would be spilled". I therefore said, if that is your position then you cannot logically support our secession from England. Defacto, you would rather have people live in tyranny than to try and assert their natural rights in a peaceful manner.

You are a tyrant by defacto pacifism.

What are you on about?

I do not support US states seceding from the rest of the union no. I think it a dumb idea, and it is never going to happen.

[MelissaWV]

Indentured servitude was not pretty. People arriving as immigrants, then handed a loaf of bread and a uniform, and sent off to fight for Lincoln, also not pretty. History's hardly ever as neat as it tries to pretend it is.

[BlackTerrel]

Did you bother to listen to it?
I didn't think so.

No I did not. You posted about 18 videos on here, the last one that I am going to open is one called "Dick in Dixie". I don't swing that way.

Post his MNF song and I'll watch that.


I'll call him Toothpik if you call Hank III gay porn and I could care less what you think is acceptable.
Respect is a two way street, is it not?
Toothpik.

Dude I am joking. Do you really think I give a crap what you call him? He's a rapper, not my mom. You can call him fatty pants mcgee for all i care.

[Dieseler]

No I did not. You posted about 18 videos on here, the last one that I am going to open is one called "Dick in Dixie". I don't swing that way.

Post his MNF song and I'll watch that.



Dude I am joking. Do you really think I give a crap what you call him? He's a rapper, not my mom. You can call him fatty pants mcgee for all i care.

Cool.
Neither do I, Toothpick Shaker it is.
:D

[Danke]

What are you on about?

I do not support US states seceding from the rest of the union no. I think it a dumb idea, and it is never going to happen.

never say never...

http://www.poptech.org/popcasts/juan_enriquez__poptech_2006

[Dieseler]

never say never...

http://www.poptech.org/popcasts/juan_enriquez__poptech_2006

Yeah, never say never... isn't that a song by toothpick?

The fact that a country can disappear in nine days is stunning...
Indeed.
The legitimacy gap is growing exponentially day by day and that is what causes countries to disappear in nine days.

[Danke]

But I don't think about it much since it is not going to happen. It's about 10,000 on my list of things I am worried about. 9,999 is an asteroid hitting earth and destroying all intelligent life. 10,001 is Max going in a time machine and killing my mom so that I am never born. This is in the middle of those two.

LMAO!

Can you be one of my token black friends? :D

[MelissaWV]

LMAO!

Can you be one of my token black friends? :D

How come no one ever wants me as their token brown friend :(

[Danke]

2- Damn Yankee, a yankee who has moved down south.


Someday I may be a Damn Yankee. Tennessee looks good. But for family reasons I'll stay put for now.


Plus, how could I ever give up ice fishing in Northern Minnesota?

[Danke]

How come no one ever wants me as their token brown friend :(

Am I a no one? :(

[MelissaWV]

Danke when you post twice in a row, your avatar is the stuff of nightmare.

You're not no one. I thought I was just your token ladyfriend. I can bi-task, though!

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Danke when you post twice in a row, your avatar is the stuff of nightmare.

You're not no one. I thought I was just your token ladyfriend. I can bi-task, though!

Bi-task. Kinky. Anyways, Southern Independance!! :D

BT hope you have a nice pair of shackles they come in all shapes and sizes today. You can choose from Neo-Con, Socialist, Marxist, Liberal, oh---and Corporatist. I'm also pretty sure they have one size fits all. Cheers.

[Anti Federalist]

Someday I may be a Damn Yankee. Tennessee looks good. But for family reasons I'll stay put for now.


Plus, how could I ever give up ice fishing in Northern Minnesota?

I don't blame you.

NH is my home, I'm not going anywhere.

[Anti Federalist]

How come no one ever wants me as their token brown friend :(

I'll be your pal just based on that avatar.

:eek:

[Dieseler]

My Wife reads my posts over my shoulder sometimes and the back of my head gets sort of tender.
Thought is stimulated though.
:D

[BlackTerrel]

LMAO!

Can you be one of my token black friends? :D

That is WACK

YouTube down for maintenance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vyq61qQF9ik)

[Dianne]

the south just as corrupt as the north... I've said it a million times... you find me one state in this union that has not been gang raped by the billions in campaign contributions by drug cartels... the one state that is willing to truly take a humaniarian stand for the people of this country and secede from the cesspool called the federal government.... hell yeah... I'll be there within 24 hours.

[TheConstitutionLives]

Can't believe I've overlooked this thread until now. The original poster's intent is misleading. This chant is NOT a tradition.


True. As a graduate of Ole Miss, I have seen most of its traditions killed off one by one. Every morning I was woken up by the Pride of the South Marching Band playing "Dixie" outside my dormitory.

Soon the names "Ole Miss" and "Rebels" will be gone from Ole Miss--all in the name of diversity and progress.

- I'm an Ole Miss grad as well. Ole Miss is NOT a private institution. It's a public school. The south will rise again chant is about as trailer park as it gets. It needs to go. It was started when I was in school there a few years ago. This chant is NOT tradition. It started with a bunch of hillbilly drunk kids in the student section. Plus, it's not even the correct words to the damn song! "His Truth Is Marching On" are the correct lyrics.

I've been to two games there so far this year and every time they chant this I cringe b/c they don't even know what they're even saying. bobby, you should understand the differences b/w a private school and a public school.

[TheConstitutionLives]

http://www.campaignsitebuilder.com/user/brianyallcom/gal/Grove-Sticker-3.gif
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hYZchGNpfehQCPms8szK9zLkgZHQD9BGFAH84

As for the "colonel reb" mascot thing: bobby, do you know what you're advocating?

The NCAA was about to crack down on OM bigtime over the mascot. I think the thing is dumb but the OM administration had no choice but to bow to the NCAA since OM is a voluntary member of the NCAA. Unless OM drops out then OM has to do what the NCAA tells them to do. It's that simple. If OM DID drop out over some goofy mascot then I hope you realize OM would then not be allowed to participate in functions (including football games) with NCAA members. Like it or not, athletics is the lifeblood of D1 schools. Take away OM athletics and the school dies. That's just the reality that all these "traditionalists" never consider.

[Justinjj1]

Did you know the South had four times the amount of anti-slavery societies as did the North? .

Oh really? Well they had none of the important ones



Did you know that only 4% of the South actually owned slaves? .

where do you get these statistics? I know that most white southerners did not own slaves, but most of them still supported the institution of slavery.



Have you read any of the diaries and letters by Southern soldiers? What about Northern? The men of the North knew it was about the Union and preserving the Union. They wrote as much. It was an invasion. .

Read the diaries of American soldiers fighting in Iraq, most of them think they are liberating the Iraqis. Doesn't make it true.



The lead up to the War of Southern Independance had more to do with political power than anything else. .

I agree with you on this. One group of jackals and thieves vs. another.



This is why they had the Missouri Compromise and all sorts of other political means to keep the "balance" of power. Nevertheless the North still succeeded at economically strangling the South by use of Tariffs. South Carolina in fact used Nullification twice. The North seeked to subjugate the South and use them for extortion. The North were protectionist. The South were Free-Traders. .

Some New Englanders threatened secession with the Hartford Convention during the War of 1812 because the South subjugated them to an oppressive embargo and then a war. All that the Nullification Crisis showed was that the South was good at exploiting other regions when they were in power, but couldn't take a dose of their own medicine.


Read some history, please.


I have a degree in history and teach it for a living. perhaps you should follow your own suggestion. It baffles me that you Confederate apologists/revisionist historians can honestly believe that the Civil War was not about slavery at all.

[Justinjj1]

Where'd ya go [redacted by Mod]?
I guess I'll keep checking back for ya.
After that last capitulation I'd love to try to understand why you even offered input at all.
This

is where you run the wheels off the wagon.



Im still right here you . Im still waiting for your explanation about how slavery is compatible with liberty. Or maybe you're going to tell me that slavery didn't really exist in the South and its all a big lie that the federal government makes us believe.

[Dieseler]

Im still right here you [redacted by mod}. Im still waiting for your explanation about how slavery is compatible with liberty. Or maybe you're going to tell me that slavery didn't really exist in the South and its all a big lie that the federal government makes us believe.

I never said Slavery in any form was compatible with Liberty you ...

I'm a God Damn 7th generation Irishman and you can ... you wannabe public school teacher.
Now you go back and show me where I said a God Damn thing about slavery other than the fact that you nor the Northern States (Union) had any right to take the high ground as you did in your initial post. You come off as if Slavery was the sole reason for Civil War One, which is not true .
Here it is...

A return to a feudalistic, overtly racist, agricultural society controlled by an over priviliged planter elite. Excuse me if I do not share in your nostalgia for the good ole days of the South.
Liberty is never fully won ... It requires an ongoing war to maintain but it's always about racism for some of you fucks and you always paint with a broad brush. We are fucking tired of it and your so called tolerance. Keep on pushing .
Oh, and pick your own damn cotton you ...,
Chances are your family owned slaves while mine was pickin' cotton right along side of slaves.

History Teacher!



Some New Englanders threatened secession with the Hartford Convention during the War of 1812 because the South subjugated them to an oppressive embargo and then a war. All that the Nullification Crisis showed was that the South was good at exploiting other regions when they were in power, but couldn't take a dose of their own medicine.
I have a degree in history and teach it for a living. perhaps you should follow your own suggestion. It baffles me that you Confederate apologists/revisionist historians can honestly believe that the Civil War was not about slavery at all.

What the fuck is this shit?
They were planning secession before 1804...
They later threatened secession because their party was down to three frikkin states and they were pissed at the Democratic Republicans (lol) over the Louisiana purchase.
What South are you talking about here?
I see you have beef with the Union as well huh?
This predated the Civil War by 60 years give or take...

[Justinjj1]

I never said Slavery in any form was compatible with Liberty you [redacted by Mod]

I'm a God Damn 7th generation Irishman and you can [redacted by Mod] you wannabe public school teacher.
Now you go back and show me where I said a God Damn thing about slavery other than the fact that you nor the Northern States (Union) had any right to take the high ground as you did in your initial post. You come off as if Slavery was the sole reason for Civil War One, which is not true .
Here it is...

Liberty is never fully won [Redacted by Mod] It requires an ongoing war to maintain but it's always about racism for some of you fucks and you always paint with a broad brush. We are fucking tired of it and your so called tolerance. Keep on pushing .
Oh, and pick your own damn cotton you [redacted by Mod],
Chances are your family owned slaves while mine was pickin' cotton right along side of slaves.

History Teacher!

And I never said that the North had the fucking high ground you and that other poster put those words in my mouth. Their economic system wasn't much better. All Im saying is that I dont have any nostalgia for that era, period. I do not want the "south to rise again", even though they preached states rights their record on liberty was abysmal. I do think that Civil War was indirectly about slavery, that is the whole reason why the South was anti-Lincoln. Because he did not want slavery to expand westward and many southerners felt like it had to expand or else they thought it could not continue. It was the planter elite, ruling class in the South that controlled the southern government and seceded and they drug everyone else along with them. That is my only point.

[Justinjj1]

I will give you a little bit of credit dieseler. Exodus is an awesome band. Saw them live earlier this year it was a great show.

[Dieseler]

I will give you a little bit of credit dieseler. Exodus is an awesome band. Saw them live earlier this year it was a great show.

Man I could pop this vein in my forehead right now and drown you with it.
Who was singing for them?

[Dieseler]

And I never said that the North had the fucking high ground you and that other poster put those words in my mouth. Their economic system wasn't much better. All Im saying is that I dont have any nostalgia for that era, period. I do not want the "south to rise again", even though they preached states rights their record on liberty was abysmal. I do think that Civil War was indirectly about slavery, that is the whole reason why the South was anti-Lincoln. Because he did not want slavery to expand westward and many southerners felt like it had to expand or else they thought it could not continue. It was the planter elite, ruling class in the South that controlled the southern government and seceded and they drug everyone else along with them. That is my only point.

Simply comes back down to the fact that the North (Union) had slaves before there even was a South..
It was not the reason for the Civil war.
The North had slaves during and after the Civil War.
Our heritage is not based on any form of Slavery.
I'm a Southern Man, I'm proud of the fact and nobody is going to take it away from me.
If The South Rises Again it won't be to enslave anyone... It will be to break the chains of tyranny.

[Justinjj1]

Rob Dukes was singing. I wish Baloff was still alive, but Dukes is an acceptable replacement I guess. They opened up for Kreator who were great as well.

Im getting too old, but I still jumped in the pit for "Toxic Waltz"

I apologize for the name calling. That was pretty immature.

[Dieseler]

Rob Dukes was singing. I wish Baloff was still alive, but Dukes is an acceptable replacement I guess. They opened up for Kreator who were great as well.

Im getting too old, but I still jumped in the pit for "Toxic Waltz"

Yeah, sucks.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:8fGJLKNktn9sxM:http://www.mtv.com/shared/media/news/images/e/Exodus/sq-paul_baloff_inter-mtv.jpg

I miss Dime to,
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:T6HQYklW0gEFlM:http://www.thenohmad.com/images/dimebag.jpg

Well, truce if you care for one...
I'm fucking out of here, probably going to get banned for being a dick.
Nice fighting with you.

[mommaliberty]

as the one who made the comment that the south shall rise again.. I should probably elaborate as it was taken incorrectly.

i do not mean the old ways and traditions of the south shall rise again. That is what the PC people and activists would like it to mean. (otherwise they wouldn't have a job, right?)

no... the South will become its own nation once again. it will not stand for the tyranny and oppression being sent down here from Washington. The South shall rise up and take its place on the world stage as a legitimate nation. The South as a Nation, according to economic Journals, is the fourth largest economy in the world. Who's to say it can't happen?

[LibertyEagle]

as the one who made the comment that the south shall rise again.. I should probably elaborate as it was taken incorrectly.

i do not mean the old ways and traditions of the south shall rise again. That is what the PC people and activists would like it to mean. (otherwise they wouldn't have a job, right?)

no... the South will become its own nation once again. it will not stand for the tyranny and oppression being sent down here from Washington. The South shall rise up and take its place on the world stage as a legitimate nation. The South as a Nation, according to economic Journals, is the fourth largest economy in the world. Who's to say it can't happen?

HECK YEAH!! :D

Welcome to the forums, mommaliberty. As you can see, we take our politics rather seriously around here. :p

Oh geez, I need a cup of coffee before I moderate this thread.

[bobbyw24]

When I started this thread, I never anticipated it would become "The [old] South shall rise again" thread.

It was more about how political correctness is changing everything that the PC crowd thinks is bad at the present time.

[libertarian4321]

When I started this thread, I never anticipated it would become "The [old] South shall rise again" thread.

It was more about how political correctness is changing everything that the PC crowd thinks is bad at the present time.

It may not just be the "PC crowd," it may be some people at the school (e.g. administration) who are embarrassed by students chanting "The South shall rise again" in 2009. It does sound more something you'd hear on an episode of "Cops" when they cruise through a trailer park than what you'd expect at a University. You know, drunken red-neck with no shirt on, yelling "yee haw, the south will rise again" as he falls off the porch of his double wide after drinking his 8th beer- that kind of thing. Maybe they are just trying to bring "Ole Miss" into the latter half of the 20th century.

[sratiug]

It may not just be the "PC crowd," it may be some people at the school (e.g. administration) who are embarrassed by students chanting "The South shall rise again" in 2009. It does sound more something you'd hear on an episode of "Cops" when they cruise through a trailer park than what you'd expect at a University. You know, drunken red-neck with no shirt on, yelling "yee haw, the south will rise again" as he falls off the porch of his double wide after drinking his 8th beer- that kind of thing. Maybe they are just trying to bring "Ole Miss" into the latter half of the 20th century.

If they are embarrassed by it they are not fit for their jobs and should resign their posts. This isn't just any school, it's the Ole Miss Rebels we are talking about. The War Between the States was fought over secession. The South was right, the North was wrong. Since we were and are right, the South may legally and peacefully rise again, just as it peacefully arose the first time. Let's just hope the Union side today would have more sane leadership than the fascist racist butcher Lincoln who is personally responsible for all the death and destruction that happened the first time around.

When you think about it, the threat of secession is really the only check against the power of the federal government reaching beyond its constitutional bounds. So all the 10th amendment resolutions and such floating around come down to the same question of the War Between the States. And that question is secession.

[bobbyw24]

OXFORD – Continued chants "The South Shall Rise Again" today cost Ole Miss fans a favorite game tune, "From Dixie With Love."

Chancellor Dan Jones banned the playing of the pep song medley because fans refused to stop the chant.

Campus sources said Jones sent a letter announcing his decision, threatened for more than a week, to the Daily Mississippian, the independent, student-led campus newspaper.

The song is a blend of "Dixie," "All My Trials" and the "Battle Hymn of the Republic" written by an assistant band director in the mid-1970s apparently as a way to get away from just "Dixie," which had become offensive to many peoploe in the post Civil Rights era.

http://www.nems360.com/pages/full_story/push?article-UPDATE-+Ole+Miss+song+banned%20&id=4409147-UPDATE-+Ole+Miss+song+banned&instance=home_news_1st_left

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

So I guess the South cannot have tradition, but everyone else can? Fuck off.

http://www.rebelyell1.com/Biographies/bio%20pic%20of%20robert%20e%20lee.jpg

[mommaliberty]

it'll be interesting to see what chants come forth at the State versus Ole Miss game in a few weeks. Hubby will be there working... I'll have to make sure he gets some good vid :)

[sratiug]

...

where do you get these statistics? I know that most white southerners did not own slaves, but most of them still supported the institution of slavery.

Most Northerners supported the institution of slavery, as evidenced by it being legal in the Union during the time of the war between the states. If not, then why did they not make it illegal when the Southern states seceded? Is it because Lincoln was busy trying to pass an amendment to extend slavery forever?

...

I have a degree in history and teach it for a living. perhaps you should follow your own suggestion. It baffles me that you Confederate apologists/revisionist historians can honestly believe that the Civil War was not about slavery at all.

Please explain again how a Union that practices slavery can logically invade a neighboring country to abolish slavery in that country while using slaves for their own army. Or admit you are an apologist for the imperialist racist slavery supporting butcher Lincoln.

[V4Vendetta]

This is disgusting!! When the student body votes to change the song, there is a very SERIOUS problem!!!

Now I know I was justified to want to move north, all the idiots that are being brainwashed by our Federal Dept. of education will grow up and know absolutely nothing about southern heritage, why the south wanted to secede in the first place, and know nothing of the true meaning "Dixie" this is disgusting. Now I am feeling more justified to want to leave the south.

We are being over run with Mexicans, and now our own damn students are brainwashed!

Montana, Idaho, N.D., S.D., or Wyoming here I come.

[LibForestPaul]

Love Dixie! Remember, they stripped Georgia of it's tradition and State Flag because of "tolerance". :mad: I say FUCK EM. I wonder if Ray McBerry would try and bring it back?

http://www.confederaterelics.com/button/ga_fi.gif

Stop posting terrorist symbols.

[TNforPaul45]

What most people fail to understand is that "The Union" not only conquered the south, but it conquered the north as well. Have the standing armies that Lincoln formed disbanded? no. Have any states been allowed any major deviance from Federal Policy? no. Did the federal government relinquish any of it's powers after the war was over? no.

The ghastly echo of the Civil War still rings in our ears today, every day.

[Arklatex]

Stop posting terrorist symbols.

Terrorist symbol? You're in for a history lessen here, the North invaded the South.

[james1906]

Terrorist symbol? You're in for a history lessen here, the North invaded the South.

I think you missed the point.

I think you also missed this terrorist conspiracy in progress

http://online.wsj.com/media/paul0910_S_20080910190324.jpg

And snake advocacy is terrorism too....http://www.mediabistro.com/baynewser/original/500px-gadsden_flag.gif