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squarepusher
10-27-2009, 09:09 PM
Bill O'Rly just reported that this guys a 'whacko nut' and played some of his famous sound bites from the past few months ... basically this guy is getting discredited on Faux news, however ...

lets not forget this guy is cosponsor of HR 1207 with Ron Paul .... so, I have to ask, wtf is going on is this guy being discredited on purpose?

Wineman77
10-27-2009, 09:26 PM
The same stuff Fox said about Dr. Paul. I wouldn't sweat it.

heavenlyboy34
10-27-2009, 09:27 PM
Bill O'Rly just reported that this guys a 'whacko nut' and played some of his famous sound bites from the past few months ... basically this guy is getting discredited on Faux news, however ...

lets not forget this guy is cosponsor of HR 1207 with Ron Paul .... so, I have to ask, wtf is going on is this guy being discredited on purpose?

Everything the MSM does is purposeful. :p

Bruno
10-27-2009, 09:33 PM
The same stuff Fox said about Dr. Paul. I wouldn't sweat it.

If the MSM media had rallied around Ron Paul from the start, making him out to be all for this country that we knew he could be, in other words, rallying around him like they did with Obama, then he could be president right now.

Instead, they made him out to be a racist Quixotic kook. That is the impression the voters that even knew about him had.

Unfortunately the mainstream media's misrepresentation of reality matters much more for the average person's perception that we would like.

Dieseler
10-27-2009, 09:41 PM
If the MSM media had rallied around Ron Paul from the start, making him out to be all for this country that we knew he could be, in other words, rallying around him like they did with Obama, then he could be president right now.

Instead, they made him out to be a racist Quixotic kook. That is the impression the voters that even knew about him had.

Unfortunately the mainstream media's misrepresentation of reality matters much more for the average person's perception that we would like.

Yup, last time I spoke with my Dad about him he went into a "We can't turn into an isolationist country and ..." well all of the other little neocon sound bites that were used against Dr. Paul.
It was crazy to listen to, I just give up on him.

Austrian Econ Disciple
10-27-2009, 09:59 PM
Yup, last time I spoke with my Dad about him he went into a "We can't turn into an isolationist country and ..." well all of the other little neocon sound bites that were used against Dr. Paul.
It was crazy to listen to, I just give up on him.

This is nothing new. This has been around since time innumerable. Wilson used the same language against the non-interventionists of the day. Taft, Buffet, and all the others in the 30s and 40s were smeared the same way.

We need to educate the people and confront their views. Ask your father what he thinks isolationism means? Does he think that free trade and travel with all countries is isolationist? Does he believe we need to forcefully coerce everyone who has a different viewpoint than ourselves? Ask him how he would feel if China or Russia had military bases on US soil. Ask him how he would feel if France assassinated Bush and overthrew our State and installed a puppet regime. Ask him how he can be for limited Government, yet promotes a Government powerful enough to police the world.

You have to make them question their beliefs without being a militant confrontationist. It takes time.

It takes time to persuade men to do even what is for their own good. - Thomas Jefferson

Once you get him thinking then you can expand economically of the ramifications of interventionism. Tie it into the Federal Reserve, Taxation, Property Theft, Debt servitude, etc.

emazur
10-27-2009, 10:19 PM
They're going after Grayson b/c he described the GOP's health plan as "die soon". Prior to that, the left was ragging on Palin for describing death panels, but now the "conservatives" have their own punching bag. Don't read anything else into it.

ctiger2
10-27-2009, 10:20 PM
IMHO, The real reason Alan Grayson is championing 1207 so hard is because someone at the Fed made a comment to congress something like "...it's too complicated for congress to understand" in reference to some numbers and their business practice. As a shrewd investor, former economist, and former attorney, this really ticked Alan off and he's fiercely pursuing 1207 over... his pride. ie I'll show YOU who's smart. He definitely comes off as a guy who's got a chip on his shoulder.

KAYA
10-27-2009, 10:27 PM
Grayson is being discredited because he's is a freaking clown!

revolutionary8
10-27-2009, 10:27 PM
Know your first target, not only your "enemy"
Here is an article that asks/explains that very question:
(all docs sourced at link)
False Controversy Over Grayson Comment Detracts From Criticism Of Fed Lobbyist

Congressman stands by comments made on the Alex Jones Show

Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Tuesday, Oct 27, 2009

Comments made by Florida Democrat Alan Grayson on the Alex Jones show have been artificially blown up into a false controversy that detracts from legitimate criticism of the corporate lobbyist the congressman’s statements were aimed at.

The Washington Post and the AP, along with scores of other blogs, have inflated comments made by Grayson last month on the Alex Jones show when he referred to the Federal Reserve’s newly employed lobbyist Linda Robertson as a “K street whore”.

Now some Republican members of Congress are using the comments to go after Grayson and others who advocate auditing the Fed.

Grayson has defended his statement, explaining that he used the word to indicate that the woman had sold her soul for financial gain.

“The second definition of ‘whore’ in the American Heritage Dictionary is ‘A person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain.’” Grayson spokesman Todd Jurkowski told Politico, adding that “The attack was on her professional career, not her personal life”.

Jurkowski pointed out that Robertson was employed as the chief lobbyist for disgraced energy firm Enron at the height of the infamous corporate accounting scandal in 2001.

Last month, Linda Robertson, in her new role as the Fed’s head lobbyist, attacked congressmen, including Grayson and Ron Paul, for pushing for an audit of the Fed. Robertson referred to such Representatives as ignorant of the difference between monetary policy and fiscal policy.

“She had the audacity to attack a congressman who used to be an economist. She’s a career lobbyist who used to work for Enron and advocates for whatever she gets paid to promote,” Jurkowski said.

Indeed, as Howie Klein at the Huffington Post acutely points out;

“She was, after all, the head of Enron’s lobbying office– a position that defines the word “whore.” The outraged and offended congressmembers– who realize a charge like this is an affront to all of their self-proclaimed senses of dignity– would probably rather not discuss the substance of the claim.”

Reports from 2001 revealed that while she was still employed at the Treasury, Robertson twice accepted paid trips to talk with Enron executives, according to her financial disclosure.

Around the same time a measure that became law, the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000, specifically exempted energy trading from the regulatory scrutiny applied to brokers of money, securities and commodities.

This alone proves that Robertson is a traitor that is willing to front for the highest bidder, regardless of whether their agenda is in the interest of the American people or not.

Serious questions were raised back in June when the Fed announced that it was hiring Robertson to “manage its relations with Congress”.

In addition to shilling for Enron, Robertson worked under three Clinton administration Treasury secretaries including Robert Rubin and Lawrence Summers.

Summers now heads the White House National Economic Council, along with Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, a disciple of Robert Rubin. If Robertson’s new position at the Fed isn’t a conflict of interest then what is?

Her appointment came at a time when HR1207, Ron Paul’s Federal Reserve Transparency Act, was gaining major traction in the House. It has since moved to official hearings before the House Financial Services Committee after gaining majority backing.

It is rather bizarre that Grayson’s comment on the Alex Jones Show, now a month old, suddenly appeared last night on the Red State and Politico websites and has since been picked up by the mainstream media.

In fact, one might go as far to say that this has all the hallmarks of a staged controversy, designed to go after Grayson, a man who, second only to Ron Paul, has pushed the hardest to audit the Federal Reserve.

Grayson’s grillings of Federal Reserve personnel, along with Geithner, have been seen by millions via his youtube channel. His interrogation of Fed Inspector General Elizabeth Coleman clocked up almost 500,000 views in less than a month.

It seems that someone is desperate to divert attention away from the real issue here by resorting to dirty politics. Once again they have scored a big fat FAIL.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/false-controversy-over-grayson-comment-detracts-from-criticism-of-fed-lobbyist.html

KAYA
10-27-2009, 10:30 PM
Grayson, once an asset to HR-1207, has now become a liability due to his own lunacy. Although, I did like the Kay St, whore comment, personally.;)

revolutionary8
10-27-2009, 10:37 PM
Grayson, once an asset to HR-1207, has now become a liability due to his own lunacy. Although, I did like the Kay St, whore comment, personally.;)

I'm really missing here how he has become more of a liability? Last I checked every single last GOP member of the house has signed on as co-sponsors.
I can't deny that the GOP has a tendency to shoot themselves in the foot, but it is Grayson who has latched on, not the other way around. this is a smoke screen.

specsaregood
10-27-2009, 10:59 PM
I'm really missing here how he has become more of a liability? Last I checked every single last GOP member of the house has signed on as co-sponsors.
I can't deny that the GOP has a tendency to shoot themselves in the foot, but it is Grayson who has latched on, not the other way around. this is a smoke screen.

I'll go on record as predicting that before it ever comes up for a vote, Grayson will "slip-up" and admit that it really is about asserting authority over monetary policy.

And that has been the Fed's big argument against it; despite Dr. Paul's statements that it has nothing to do with it.

KAYA
10-27-2009, 11:07 PM
I'm really missing here how he has become more of a liability? Last I checked every single last GOP member of the house has signed on as co-sponsors.
I can't deny that the GOP has a tendency to shoot themselves in the foot, but it is Grayson who has latched on, not the other way around. this is a smoke screen.

Its not a smoke screen because all month Grayson has been making an ass out of himself. No one is making Grayson act like a clown, that's on him. I fear that he will no longer be taken seriously when it comes to HR-1207. And now, this once eloquent voice in opposition to the Fed has become a marginalizing, loony, figure due to his own actions.

revolutionary8
10-27-2009, 11:23 PM
Well,
KAYA and specs,
I can only say that I hope you are wrong. I'm sure yall hope you are wrong as well. I'm not saying you are wrong...just "hoping".

If ya'll are right, at least RPF can call it.

specsaregood
10-27-2009, 11:28 PM
Well,
KAYA and specs,
I can only say that I hope you are wrong. I'm sure yall hope you are wrong as well. I'm not saying you are wrong...just "hoping".


I hope so as well. But this guy has been doing everything possible to play partisan politics the last couple months at the same time as he is one of the big pushers of our legislation. You think the Republicans are going to want to really sign on to something that he is pushing? They will be able to use him as an excuse. And if he does what I predicted? They all fall overboard....

revolutionary8
10-27-2009, 11:51 PM
I hope so as well. But this guy has been doing everything possible to play partisan politics the last couple months at the same time as he is one of the big pushers of our legislation. You think the Republicans are going to want to really sign on to something that he is pushing? They will be able to use him as an excuse. And if he does what I predicted? They all fall overboard....
If "they" use that as an excuse, we might bring up the Newt Gingrich/Nancy Pelosi, and Sharpton/Robertson Media Propaganda Campaign for Global Government/Global Warming Gestapo.
All doors remain open unless "we" close them...

I say we keep looking for an opportunity to educate rather than alienate...
afterall, that is what "they" do, and "they" are quite successful.

rprprs
10-28-2009, 06:36 AM
Its not a smoke screen because all month Grayson has been making an ass out of himself. No one is making Grayson act like a clown, that's on him. I fear that he will no longer be taken seriously when it comes to HR-1207. And now, this once eloquent voice in opposition to the Fed has become a marginalizing, loony, figure due to his own actions.

Yes. In the minds of many, his loony behavior will reflect negatively on all causes with which he is associated. Most unfortunate. :(

amonasro
10-28-2009, 06:55 AM
Yes. In the minds of many, his loony behavior will reflect negatively on all causes with which he is associated. Most unfortunate. :(

Why? Because the msm covers his alleged "lunacy"? Because Bill O'Really says so? He's no more loony than Reid, Pelosi or any other party line politician in Washington.

klamath
10-28-2009, 07:11 AM
I think turning into a complete partisan hack is what did me in on him. I knew I disagreed with him on most issues and knew I couldn't support him but thought he stood on principles and not extreme partisan politics. I was wrong. I do not trust his reasons for being against the fed at all. If the fed is taken down he would be all for a nationalized central bank. He wants complete control over the money supply so he can spend trillions on his special projects.
The guy is positioning himself to run for president because he loves the power and attention.

By the way I don't care what Fox or any other news media outlet says because I don't watch any tv news.

KAYA
10-28-2009, 09:18 AM
I think turning into a complete partisan hack is what did me in on him. I knew I disagreed with him on most issues and knew I couldn't support him but thought he stood on principles and not extreme partisan politics. I was wrong. I do not trust his reasons for being against the fed at all. If the fed is taken down he would be all for a nationalized central bank. He wants complete control over the money supply so he can spend trillions on his special projects.
The guy is positioning himself to run for president because he loves the power and attention.

By the way I don't care what Fox or any other news media outlet says because I don't watch any tv news.

This

Epic
10-28-2009, 09:26 AM
Alan Grayson discredits human beings

He's a socialist partisan hack.

He needs to get knocked out in 2010 elections.

jmdrake
10-28-2009, 11:30 AM
I hope so as well. But this guy has been doing everything possible to play partisan politics the last couple months at the same time as he is one of the big pushers of our legislation. You think the Republicans are going to want to really sign on to something that he is pushing? They will be able to use him as an excuse. And if he does what I predicted? They all fall overboard....

I doubt any of the co sponsors in the house will drop off because of anything Grayson says. But those on the fence in the senate may use Grayson as an excuse not to sign on to it in the first place.

KAYA
10-28-2009, 11:46 AM
I doubt any of the co sponsors in the house will drop off because of anything Grayson says. But those on the fence in the senate may use Grayson as an excuse not to sign on to it in the first place.

Yep.

haaaylee
10-28-2009, 01:40 PM
Bill O'Rly just reported that this guys a 'whacko nut' and played some of his famous sound bites from the past few months ... basically this guy is getting discredited on Faux news, however ...

lets not forget this guy is cosponsor of HR 1207 with Ron Paul .... so, I have to ask, wtf is going on is this guy being discredited on purpose?

He is just one of what, 309?, co-sponsors of this bill. I wouldn't get worried unless they start attacking every person who sign on to the bill.

Carole
10-28-2009, 01:59 PM
Sadly, he was one of the most eloquent and knowledgeable co-sponsors.

What he said about the Fed assistant being a "K-street you-know-what" was deservedly appropriate, but he should not have said it. (Out loud) :)

lester1/2jr
10-28-2009, 03:48 PM
FOX doesn't have a vote in the house or senate so how does it matter what they think?

they thought invading Iraq was a great idea

KAYA
10-28-2009, 03:49 PM
FOX doesn't have a vote in the house or senate so how does it matter what they think?

they thought invading Iraq was a great idea

Way to miss the point. ;)

lester1/2jr
10-28-2009, 04:19 PM
the point is that somehow FOX news is going to use alan grayson's "insanity" to somehow stop HR 1207. Alan Grayson is one of the coolest people behind Ron Pal and Kucinich. He is against escalation in afghanistan and for auditing the Fed. I disagree with him on health care but agree with him that FOX news sucks.

he's pretty cool in my book and a credit to the anti fed movement. FOX news employs like most of the Bush adminstration. they are even worse than grayson says they are!

KAYA
10-29-2009, 01:05 PM
the point is that somehow FOX news is going to use alan grayson's "insanity" to somehow stop HR 1207. Alan Grayson is one of the coolest people behind Ron Pal and Kucinich. He is against escalation in afghanistan and for auditing the Fed. I disagree with him on health care but agree with him that FOX news sucks.

he's pretty cool in my book and a credit to the anti fed movement. FOX news employs like most of the Bush adminstration. they are even worse than grayson says they are!

Alan Grayson is discrediting Alan Grayson.