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Catatonic
10-27-2009, 07:50 PM
Someone made a thread about a blurb from one of Rand's books and I decided to jump in, on another forum:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=119982421

In this thread I am Stizzel. I don't feel like I'm articulating myself well here which to me means there's some aspect of it that I'm not grasping. For people that are really good at understanding individualism, please glance over this and let me know what you think.

Thanks!

Reason
10-28-2009, 10:36 AM
Individualism VS Collectivism

Intro
YouTube - -DVD Version: INTRO - Individualism vs Collectivism (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMYicq_SN1E)

Part One
YouTube - -DVD Version: P1. The Nature and Origin of Human Rights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkSHg3JV_V8)

Part Two
YouTube - -DVD Version: P2. Group Supremacy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n4E2tAQBVE)

Part Three
YouTube - -DVD Version: P3. Coercion vs Freedom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej5L3aJMlPA)

Part Four
YouTube - -DVD Version: P4. Equality and Inequality under Law (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3YxvySQqkk)

nandnor
11-02-2009, 09:01 AM
That is true, but that just proves my point to a greater degree.

You at least understand the point made in the OP right?
I think you made the mistake of using NAP to argue for individualism.

I think you made a mistake here, should instead use the foundations of praxeology, of how the individual is the fundamental entity of human action, which is the vital distinction between dividing society to individuals and individual to smaller pieces(organs etc)


Also funny how one of the guys there starts talking about an agreement that benefits everyone. Well there only is one such agreement, and that is the NAP! Due to every acting entity prefering to not lose its existance outside of its own action to do so so, makes every person apply NAP to oneself as the utmost preference. In that sense, your OP in the BB forum was indeed wrong, there is one public interest, and it is NAP.

So to argue for the OP i would say that if there is an agreement that benefits everyone, then it can only be NAP, which in itself is individualist in nature.