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Bruno
10-27-2009, 03:24 PM
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CNN, which invented the cable news network more than two decades ago, will hit a new competitive low with its prime-time programs in October, finishing fourth – and last – among the cable news networks with the audience that all the networks rely on for their advertising.

The official monthly numbers will be finalized at 4 p.m. Monday and will include results from Friday. CNN executives conceded that will not change the competitive standing for the month. CNN will still be last in prime time.

That means CNN’s programs were behind not only Fox News and MSNBC, but even its own sister network HLN (formerly Headline News.) Three of its four shows between 7 and 11 p.m. finished fourth and last among the cable news networks. That was the first time CNN had finished that poorly with its prime-time shows.

Fox News’ Bill O’ReillyThe results demonstrate once more the apparent preference of viewers for opinion-oriented shows from the news networks in prime time.

CNN has steered opinion hosts like Nancy Grace to HLN, while maintaining more news-oriented shows on CNN itself. When news events are not being intensely followed, CNN executives acknowledge, viewers seem to be looking for partisan views more than objective coverage.

Individually, the CNN shows were beaten resoundingly by all the Fox News programs, but also lost to all of the MSNBC programs, including a repeat of Keith Olbermann’s 8 p.m. edition of “Countdown,” which beat the 10 p.m. hour of CNN’s signature prime-time program, “Anderson Cooper 360.”
Again that was a first.

Mr. Cooper had 211,000 viewers to 223,000 for Mr. Olbermann’s repeat. That meant Mr. Cooper finished fourth and last in the 10 p.m. hour because, besides being well behind the leader, Greta Van Susteren, who had 538,000 viewers, he was also beaten by a repeat of Nancy Grace’s 8 p.m. show on HLN, which averaged 222,000.

MSNBC’s Keith OlbermanFor the month, CNN averaged 202,000 viewers between the ages of 25 and 54 – the group that television news organizations use as their basis of success because of their advertising sales. That was far behind the dominant leader, Fox News, which averaged 689,000. But it also trailed MSNBC, which had 250,000 viewers in that group and HLN, which had 221,000.

The only CNN show from 7 p.m. to 10 p.m. that did not finish last was Larry King, which was third, ahead of the new Joy Behar show on HLN. But Sean Hannity’s show on Fox News had a huge lead with 659,000 viewers in that age group. Second was Rachel Maddow on MSNBC with 242,000.
Mr. King averaged 224,000 and Ms. Behar 181,000.

At 7 p.m. CNN’s host, Lou Dobbs was fourth, barely beaten by Jane Velez Mitchell on HLN, 166,000 to 162,000. The big winner was Shepard Smith on Fox with 465,000 viewers. Second was Chris Matthews and “Hardball” on MSNBC, with 179,000 viewers.


HLN’s Nancy GraceCNN’s performance was worst in the 8 p.m. hour. Bill O’Reilly on Fox News continued his long dominance with the biggest numbers of any host, 881,000 viewers. Mr. Olbermann, with his first-run program, was second with 295,000. Close behind was the first edition of Ms. Grace’s show with 269,000. Campbell Brown on CNN trailed with only 162,000.

CNN executives emphasized that the network continues to draw more viewers than all its competitors except Fox News when all hours of the day are counted.

CNN released a statement Monday saying, “CNN’s ratings are always going to be more dependent on the news environment, much more so than opinion-based programming especially in prime time.”

cheapseats
10-27-2009, 03:30 PM
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MindOfMo PEOPLE WHO NEED SPOKESPEOPLE ARE THE LYINGEST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD.
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MindOfMo FALL REALITY TV: Legislating With The Stars, Lie Your Ass Off!, Apocalyptic Survival, Father Knows F*ck All, The Rifleman and Hang 'Em High.
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MindOfMo Anderson Cooper is NOT keeping them honest. And come to think of it, whatever happened to Truth In Advertising? I don't trust CNN. At all.
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MindOfMo Here's some hard news. Objective Journalism and Advertising don't go together. Objective Journalism and Ratings don't go together. Now what?
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krazy kaju
10-27-2009, 03:35 PM
I just got a Eureka moment here. The way to ruin Fox is to beat Fox at its own game. Right now, Fox News has a monopoly on conservative opinion. If any network wants to steal some of Fox's viewers, the way to do so is to front conservative and libertarian commentators and editors. Give Pat Buchanan his own show or something. You get the point.

0zzy
10-27-2009, 03:41 PM
rofl. it fell behind HLN? that's sad.

paulitics
10-27-2009, 03:42 PM
I just got a Eureka moment here. The way to ruin Fox is to beat Fox at its own game. Right now, Fox News has a monopoly on conservative opinion. If any network wants to steal some of Fox's viewers, the way to do so is to front conservative and libertarian commentators and editors. Give Pat Buchanan his own show or something. You get the point.

That assumes that cable news is free market.

Dunedain
10-27-2009, 03:53 PM
They've been downhill ever since they Kosherized the network and kicked out the orginal founder.

Fox News mixes their info equal parts of truth and lies. They also have a distain for most type so of political correctness. CNN is mostly pure fiction and "minority glorification" driven. They rarely do a story unless they need to mislead people about something or glorify or paint minorities in a heroic or tragic light. See the "Latino in America" segment they are doing. Prior to that it was "black in America". How many people are getting turned off by that kind of nonsense? A lot apparently.

HOLLYWOOD
10-27-2009, 03:57 PM
FOX BUSINESS' "HAPPY HOUR" just exposed the celebrity Jeopardy episode with Wolf Biltzer was at a -$4600 today. I guess you could watch the rerun later this evening.

IDIOTS of CNN... or should I say PARROTS?

Most deserving, but when's Olberman, Mr Ed, & Chris Mathews, heading over to CNN to match their abilities in Slanted journalism?

NYgs23
10-27-2009, 03:58 PM
CNN is for the educated

Let's not get crazy.

Dunedain
10-27-2009, 04:07 PM
CNN is for the educated, and sadly most Americans aren't educated. That's why most people turn to FOX News, to watch their reporters with short skirts that's the only way to keep their attention.

CNN must have changed quite a bit since I cancelled my cable 2 years ago. Back then it was news for people who believed whatever they were told.

idirtify
10-27-2009, 04:09 PM
They've been downhill ever since they Kosherized the network and kicked out the orginal founder.

Fox News mixes their info equal parts of truth and lies. They also have a distain for most type so of political correctness. CNN is mostly pure fiction and "minority glorification" driven. They rarely do a story unless they need to mislead people about something or glorify or paint minorities in a heroic or tragic light. See the "Latino in America" segment they are doing. Prior to that it was "black in America". How many people are getting turned off by that kind of nonsense? A lot apparently.

Gosh, what’s wrong with glorifying minorities? Regarding “fiction” and “misleading”, I personally think CNN is the most unbiased TV news channel. If there is a less-biased one, please tell me which. I’ll definitely check it out.

I think the point here is that people claim they want a less biased channel, but they actually watch the more dramaticized and sensationalized and partisanized CRAP-CHANNELS. That’s how I read the ratings. And that’s how I read your irrelevant complaint against CNN; as a manufactured excuse to watch FOX. Tell me I’m wrong – please.

dr. hfn
10-27-2009, 04:17 PM
Death to the mainstream media!

purplechoe
10-27-2009, 04:48 PM
If a tree falls in the forest and there is no one to see it or hear it...

Imperial
10-27-2009, 05:01 PM
Gosh, what’s wrong with glorifying minorities? Regarding “fiction” and “misleading”, I personally think CNN is the most unbiased TV news channel. If there is a less-biased one, please tell me which. I’ll definitely check it out.

I think the point here is that people claim they want a less biased channel, but they actually watch the more dramaticized and sensationalized and partisanized CRAP-CHANNELS. That’s how I read the ratings. And that’s how I read your irrelevant complaint against CNN; as a manufactured excuse to watch FOX. Tell me I’m wrong – please.

I think CNN is biased to the center- yes, that is a bias in my book.

catdd
10-27-2009, 05:02 PM
Well, they can't bitch about the wars anymore since they are the mongers; and attacking their critics only makes them look weak.
Everyone sees them for the two-faced liars that they are.

paulitics
10-27-2009, 05:02 PM
Gosh, what’s wrong with glorifying minorities? Regarding “fiction” and “misleading”, I personally think CNN is the most unbiased TV news channel. If there is a less-biased one, please tell me which. I’ll definitely check it out.

I think the point here is that people claim they want a less biased channel, but they actually watch the more dramaticized and sensationalized and partisanized CRAP-CHANNELS. That’s how I read the ratings. And that’s how I read your irrelevant complaint against CNN; as a manufactured excuse to watch FOX. Tell me I’m wrong – please.

They are statist globalists. That is their bias. And you don't think they promote garbage with their 24/7 Micahael Jackson and Balloon boy coverage?

They will cover the most inane crap, while legisaltion and treaties designed to strip national sovereignty away are done in the dark of night. CNN fails as watchdog, more so than any other cable news channel by far.

WClint
10-27-2009, 05:42 PM
Haha thats why I keep saying they wont dare drop Lou Dobbs. So those groups can keep pushing there "black in America", Latino in America but if they drop Lou dobbs they be no watching CNN in America.

Reason
10-27-2009, 05:49 PM
all mainstream media is a joke

idirtify
10-27-2009, 06:10 PM
I think CNN is biased to the center- yes, that is a bias in my book.

“Biased to the center”? I don’t get it.

idirtify
10-27-2009, 06:11 PM
Well, they can't bitch about the wars anymore since they are the mongers; and attacking their critics only makes them look weak.
Everyone sees them for the two-faced liars that they are.

Are you talking about CNN? They often criticize the war; more often profile others who do – like today they have been giving lots of coverage to matthew hoh. And they have not been making him look bad like you might think.

idirtify
10-27-2009, 06:19 PM
They are statist globalists. That is their bias. And you don't think they promote garbage with their 24/7 Micahael Jackson and Balloon boy coverage?

They will cover the most inane crap, while legisaltion and treaties designed to strip national sovereignty away are done in the dark of night. CNN fails as watchdog, more so than any other cable news channel by far.

Well yeah they are all statist globalists, but which channel is least statist globalist?

“Fails as a watchdog”? Is that your way of saying that they are MORE biased? If so, name a news channel that is LESS biased.

idirtify
10-27-2009, 06:22 PM
Right now Cambell Brown is grilling Valerie Jerret (White House Adviser) about why Obama is still in the war and what is taking so long and what exactly is the plan. Then she asked VJ if she thought FOX news was biased, and she said “well of course”. But when she asked her if MSNBC was biased, she balked. She made this statist look like an idiot.

paulitics
10-27-2009, 06:41 PM
Well yeah they are all statist globalists, but which channel is least statist globalist?

“Fails as a watchdog”? Is that your way of saying that they are MORE biased? If so, name a news channel that is LESS biased.

MSNBC was the least statist during the Bush years, and the best watchdog. Now, fox is the best watchdog, and the least statist. Neither should be put on a pedestal for investigative journalism, but at least one can get some information, which otherwise does not make it past the filters of network news, and 24/7 statist channels like CNN.

To be a lapdog for the president (insert your favorite one here), or simply covering SOME of the news, instead of asking pointed questions to get the viewer to think critically, is probably even more effective at turning someone into a braindead zombie than either of the opinon laden cable news channels.

That is what CNN is. It is a gigantic filter that only covers left vs right paradigm, and he said, she said soap opera politics. They are 24/7 news channel that only skirts around the real issues, and focus heavily on the inane, and superficial.

They are propaganda of the highest form. They never break any news, or uncover a scandal more than a politiican who jerked off in a bathroom. They are the most statist of the 3.

Dieseler
10-27-2009, 06:53 PM
Old Wolfe broke the Balloon family down lol.

Dunedain
10-27-2009, 07:01 PM
It is curious debating which news station has the most traitorous slant. Which news achor should hang first? Which rotting corpse sinks the worst?

Even Dobbs, as the best reporter on the MSM, skews most of the issues. I'd love to go on his show and say, "Lou, I've got the solution to your illegal immigration problem. Let's pass a law making them all legal immigrants. Then you wouldn't have a problem right? We could just pack in as many legal 3rd world minorities that could physically fit into the country and you would be happy they all complied with the law?"

georgiaboy
10-27-2009, 07:49 PM
Kirin Chetry interviews Ron Paul on the CNN morning show regularly, and treats him quite fairly.

Just sayin'.

Of course, I just catch the 'tube of it.

idirtify
10-27-2009, 08:14 PM
Now, fox is the best watchdog, and the least statist.

Is FOX ever critical of the wars?

BlackTerrel
10-27-2009, 08:18 PM
CNN is for the educated, and sadly most Americans aren't educated. That's why most people turn to FOX News, to watch their reporters with short skirts that's the only way to keep their attention.

Most people don't watch FoxNews. What do they get 2 million? 3 million? And it is an aging audience at that. That is nothing in comparison to a football game, American Idol, or the number of Americans who get their news online.

ClayTrainor
10-27-2009, 08:24 PM
Is FOX ever critical of the wars?

Napolitano is very critical of undeclared wars, but he's not prime time or anything, yet.

Promontorium
10-28-2009, 01:40 AM
I don't think any of those stations are hallmarks of objective news, or reasoned opinion.

I think anyone who followed RP's campaign saw what the MSM was good for. manipulating.

Get your news from all over the place. That's a good start.

I don't favor any particular MSM news. I enjoy certain people from many of those cable channels.

I like Shepard Smith, Wolf Blitzer, Robin Meade, Anderson Cooper, and a few more. For awhile Fox was my favorite station, for awhile MSNBC was my favorite station (back when no one watched it and it wasn't crazy socialist), for awhile Headline News was my favorite (before Nancy Grace and her kind took over and ruined the best up to the second multi-faceted news channel.)

It's a tough gig you know? AP really runs everything. Either get your news from AP, or get it yourself. You just get to choose the window dressing.

idirtify
10-28-2009, 07:01 AM
Well I have this damned TV right in front of the couch right beside my computer monitor (both are on all the time) and I am just trying to determine which news source is the least overall biased. While I get a lot of news online, I have to actively seek it – and I’m usually busy on the computer with other stuff. If I had to depend on the computer for all my news, I would be pretty out of touch with current events. In that regard, TV news is a pretty vital service (even though the TV usually takes a backseat to the monitor). But I refuse to watch something like FOX or MSNBC that seems to filter MOST of its material through a strongly partisan screen. And of course the three non-cable networks (ABC, NBC, CBS) are the most statist. I think that really only leaves CNN and HLN (which are essentially the same).

Man, do we libertarians REALLY need our own channel; “100% news, 100% anti-state, all the time”!

Bruno
10-28-2009, 07:07 AM
well i have this damned tv right in front of the couch right beside my computer monitor (both are on all the time) and i am just trying to determine which news source is the least overall biased. While i get a lot of news online, i have to actively seek it – and i’m usually busy on the computer with other stuff. If i had to depend on the computer for all my news, i would be pretty out of touch with current events. In that regard, tv news is a pretty vital service (even though the tv usually takes a backseat to the monitor). But i refuse to watch something like fox or msnbc that seems to filter most of its material through a strongly partisan screen. And of course the three non-cable networks (abc, nbc, cbs) are the most statist. I think that really only leaves cnn and hln (which are essentially the same).

man, do we libertarians really need our own channel; “100% news, 100% anti-state, all the time”!

+ 1776 !

klamath
10-28-2009, 07:48 AM
When I used to watch TV some I remember the unabashed democratic mouth piece of CNN and dreamed of a counter to them. Fox happened and became the unabashed Republican mouth piece to the same point as CNN. It was sickening. Now I watch none.

Dianne
10-28-2009, 07:51 AM
CNN executives acknowledge, viewers seem to be looking for partisan views more than objective coverage.

LMAO.... he can't be serious, objective coverage?

Pants
10-28-2009, 08:09 AM
I think you just have to accept the change. You can't just watch one news source anymore and accept it as the Gospel truth. You have to watch as many news sources as possible.. As far as TV Networks are concerned, none of the cable channels aren't what they used to be. There was a time when MTV & CMT only played music videos, Court TV (now true tv) only showed court coverage, Tech TV used to be exclusively about computers. (now its G4), and Cartoon Network used to be a kids channel. And starting Friday The Weather Channel is going to show movies during prime time on the weekend. I think this Friday on TWC its "The Perfect Storm".. Next weekend "March Of The Penguins". So much for getting weather when you need it.. LOL

We pay $60 to $100.00 a month for channels loaded with commercials and infomercials at night.. I really wonder why?