Beck promoting Palin for 3rd party run [Archive] - Ron Paul Forums / Liberty Forest

sofia

10-26-2009, 01:31 PM

Now I see Beck's angle...

This morning he said that Palin seems to be the "only one out there that gets it"...

No mention of Ron Paul!!!

He then spoke favorably of the idea of Palin running as 3rd Party.

This is what Beck is setting us up for. In 2012 he will come out strong for the dipshit from Alaska...anti-Obama vote gets split...and Obama wins again.

This is exactly what the "conservative" Teddy Roosevelt did in 1912. He ran 3rd party, split the GOP vote....and Woodrow Wilson and his gang of Marxists won with just 41% of the vote.

KAYA

10-26-2009, 01:39 PM

Flash

10-26-2009, 01:43 PM

Third party? I think hes just promoting her as a candidate for the Republican Party.

zach

10-26-2009, 01:46 PM

The Republican Party IS the third party in his eyes.

Conservative, Democrat, Republican.

Maybe.. Just speculation.

UnReconstructed

10-26-2009, 01:47 PM

we should support whomever our chosen party selects, be it Huckabee or Romney or Gingrich or Obama

MsDoodahs

10-26-2009, 01:50 PM

The GOP's job is to ensure BO gets a second term.

Whatever it takes, they'll do it.

LittleLightShining

10-26-2009, 01:51 PM

The GOP's job is to ensure BO gets a second term.

Whatever it takes, they'll do it.

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!

Romulus

10-26-2009, 01:54 PM

this is a depressing thread

and I suspect the same from that judas goat beck.. he'll support whoever will get BO in office.

RM918

10-26-2009, 01:57 PM

Palin has exactly as many credentials for being libertarian as Barack Obama had for being antiwar.

JoshLowry

10-26-2009, 02:03 PM

August 26th 2009

Palin tells friends: Watch Beck

http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/0809/Palin_tells_friends_Watch_Beck.html

PatriotOne

10-26-2009, 02:04 PM

And again I say...GB is the well paid pied piper for the disenfranchised voters to ensure the pre-planned outcome. Always has been, always will be.

How many more elections do we have to go through before everyone on this board becomes savvy enough to get this? No one in MSM is our friend. They do what they are told and are well paid for it. They are nothing more than actors saying their lines.

jmdrake

10-26-2009, 02:07 PM

Mods, please sticky this so we can all quickly refer to it next time someone tries to claim the rest of us are "lefties" for not supporting Glen Beck, Sarah Palin, or some other fill-in-the-blank-neocon-patriot-wannabe.

Sarah Palin the only one who "gets it"? Sarah Palin the only one with "national stature"? National stature on Saturday Night Live maybe! And I don't wanna hear that "It's the liberals that made her look dumb" argument! She made her own self look dumb! THE BAILOUT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH TAX CUTS OR JOB CREATION AND ONLY WHO WOULD MAKE SUCH AN ARGUMENT ISN'T FIT TO BE DOGCATCHER OF GNOME!

People who disagree with Ron Paul at least respect him. That is people outside of Glen Beck bizzaro world. The only reason he's pimping Palin is because she agrees with his view on "islamofacism". (That's not even a freakin' word!)

Regards,

John M. Drake

Brian4Liberty

10-26-2009, 02:13 PM

This is what Beck is setting us up for. In 2012 he will come out strong for the dipshit from Alaska...

He is pushing an agenda, not necessarily the candidate. The new (manufactured) paradigm is the "new conservatives" vs. the lefty Republicans like McCain/Graham. That false battle will be fought in the GOP Primary. Beck has a candidate in mind, but it isn't Palin...

sofia

10-26-2009, 02:22 PM

The GOP's job is to ensure BO gets a second term.
.

Campaign slogan

"BO,,,,it really stinks"

anaconda

10-26-2009, 02:22 PM

sofia

10-26-2009, 02:31 PM

And again I say...GB is the well paid pied piper for the disenfranchised voters to ensure the pre-planned outcome. Always has been, always will be.

.

I was beginning to think that Beck was sincere in his new found "libertarianism"

But when TIME mag put him on the cover, I began to wonder. The Establishment generally IGNORES a true patriot. But they hype their controlled "right wing" agents with negative press. (Gingrich and Palin were also Time / Newsweek cover boys.)

But today's high praise of Palin coupled with an outright endorsement of the idea of Palin 3rd Party, convinces me 100% that Beck is a FAKE.

There is no way in HELL that this moronic Wasilla Hill-Billy could ever get elected. But she'd be perfect for splitting the anti-Obama vote in two.

The title of her recent Bestseller says it all...."Going Rogue"

sofia

10-26-2009, 02:33 PM

You are a very wise person.

Sofia come from the Greek word "sophos,"...which means "wise" :cool:

sofia

10-26-2009, 02:39 PM

He did mention Paul but doesn't think he has the same broad national appeal.

The realtity is, and Beck KNOWS this, that if he started promoting Ron Paul to his millions of fans, RP and the CFL would instantly gain MILLIONS of new followers.

..PAUL4PRES..

10-26-2009, 02:45 PM

Well we had better hope for a miracle.

Pennsylvania

10-26-2009, 02:47 PM

@ Beck's people...

Care to register and clarify?

Brian4Liberty

10-26-2009, 02:48 PM

But today's high praise of Palin coupled with an outright endorsement of the idea of Palin 3rd Party, convinces me 100% that Beck is a FAKE.

Once again, you have still been fooled if you think that Palin is really Beck's candidate for 2012.

sofia

10-26-2009, 02:51 PM

Once again, you have still been fooled if you think that Palin is really Beck's candidate for 2012.

Did you hear him this morning? He clearly pitched her as 3rd Party.

Why would Beck even float such a trial ballloon then if he didnt mean it?

Brian4Liberty

10-26-2009, 02:57 PM

Did you hear him this morning? He clearly pitched her as 3rd Party.

Why would Beck even float such a trial ballloon then if he didnt mean it?

They are setting up a false battle within the GOP to neutralize the Ron Paul movement. I doubt that third party is the real goal. The real candidates will come later.

There are creating this New Conservative/Tea Party/anti-Obama socialist faction, that is intended to take the place of the true opposition, the Ron Paul Republicans. Palin is just one of the faces of this faction. Way too early to bring in the real candidates. They want a repeat of the GOP Primary of 2000, when they had a false "battle" between the two neo-conservatives, Bush and McCain...

Austrian Econ Disciple

10-26-2009, 02:57 PM

Pretty hilarious...a true libertarian would endorse libertarians and Libertarians. Palin is definitely not a libertarian. I'm tired of these people in the media professing to be libertarians, yet don't even follow 25% of the principles of one. What a farce.

Let me know when he endorses Mary Ruwart or Ron Paul. Thanks. (I bet I'll be waiting for a LONG time)

krazy kaju

10-26-2009, 03:00 PM

The GOP's job is to ensure BO gets a second term.

Whatever it takes, they'll do it.

I'm not one for conspiracy talk, but I think this is true to an extent. If Obama gets a second term, the Republican Party will be swept to power in the House, Senate, and state and local governments.

Austrian Econ Disciple

10-26-2009, 03:00 PM

They are setting up a false battle within the GOP to neutralize the Ron Paul movement. I doubt that third party is the real goal. The real candidates will come later.

There are creating this New Conservative/Tea Party/anti-Obama socialist faction, that is intended to take the place of the true opposition, the Ron Paul Republicans. Palin is just one of the faces of this faction. Way too early to bring in the real candidates. They want a repeat of the GOP Primary of 2000, when they had a false "battle" between the two neo-conservatives, Bush and McCain...

Repeat of the 70s. Reagan totally ruined the Libertarian Party. It was growing enormously and he sucked the winds out of it....as you know the LP was formed by David Nolan and another from YAF who left when they turned to the Bill Buckleys and Irving Kristols of the world, and turned on Goldwater. Same thing. The real movement was ruined and co-opted.

Just thought I'd throw out some history about how they do this.

purplechoe

10-26-2009, 03:02 PM

Hey Beck, I'm holding three middle fingers in your directions. My message to you is to read between the lines!!!

sevin

10-26-2009, 03:23 PM

This is exactly what the "conservative" Teddy Roosevelt did in 1912. He ran 3rd party, split the GOP vote....and Woodrow Wilson and his gang of Marxists won with just 41% of the vote.

Once again, history repeating itself. :(

The realtity is, and Beck KNOWS this, that if he started promoting Ron Paul to his millions of fans, RP and the CFL would instantly gain MILLIONS of new followers.

That's what makes me so angry. A "libertarian" promoting people like Palin and generally ignoring Ron Paul. What a sack of shit.

IPSecure

10-26-2009, 04:02 PM

Saw some of Beck today. Can he try any harder not to mention Dr. Paul?

zach

10-26-2009, 04:28 PM

He knows how many people want to like him.
He knows how many people think he's an idiot.

Right now, our movement is becoming the mainstream idea, so in order to provide yet another 'within party' battle, he needs to start fanning the flames again so people can be provided with yet another 'choice' for Conservative ideals.

I don't know... I can't fully trust a news reporter from that industry.

I'm thinking Fox will represent the New Conservative party just as much as it did the Old Republican party before the election.

This is where we come in and make sure we distinguish ourselves from a media propaganda machine.

sevin

10-26-2009, 07:41 PM

Why does this thread only have one star? What's wrong with it?

Pennsylvania

10-26-2009, 07:43 PM

Why does this thread only have one star? What's wrong with it?

tones probably gave it one star

sofia

10-26-2009, 07:49 PM

Why does this thread only have one star? What's wrong with it?

there are some on the forum who think Beck is one of us ans and that the dipshit from Alaska is on our side too.

ctiger2

10-26-2009, 07:52 PM

I'm waiting for Palin to pose.. until then... Meh..

qh4dotcom

10-26-2009, 07:54 PM

This is what Beck is setting us up for. In 2012 he will come out strong for the dipshit from Alaska...anti-Obama vote gets split...and Obama wins again.

This is exactly what the "conservative" Teddy Roosevelt did in 1912. He ran 3rd party, split the GOP vote....and Woodrow Wilson and his gang of Marxists won with just 41% of the vote.

The economy should have collapsed or be about to collapse in 2012 according to Celente...that'll make it harder for Obama to win

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=185097

ForLiberty-RonPaul

10-26-2009, 07:55 PM

when does supporting Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin become against the forum guidelines?

Promoting agendas alternate to the platform of Dr. Paul will have allowances for established members. Controversial topics should focus on facts whenever possible.

Fr3shjive

10-26-2009, 07:58 PM

The realtity is, and Beck KNOWS this, that if he started promoting Ron Paul to his millions of fans, RP and the CFL would instantly gain MILLIONS of new followers.

True. Ron Paul is better at articulating his ideas than Beck he just isnt as dramatic as Beck.

At least we have Stossell on Fox.

anaconda

10-27-2009, 02:26 AM

This is where we come in and make sure we distinguish ourselves from a media propaganda machine.

Bingo. And to me the giant pink elephant in these forums that no one (besides you zach) is making this a HUGE issue of this. We have to distinguish ourselves on a GRAND and HIGHLY VISIBLE scale or we will fail to capture the rank-and-file GOP that have been deceived but have not figured it out yet.

jmdrake

10-27-2009, 05:19 AM

when does supporting Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin become against the forum guidelines?

:rolleyes: Who said that it was? But calling anyone who doesn't support GBSP a "leftist" (as I've seen people do) doesn't help anyone. At least Glen Beck has apologized (sort of) for his old positions. What about Sarah Palin? Has she ever said "bailouts are never a good idea including the 2008 bailout I supported"? Yeah she's got a following. But does she have a message?

manny229

10-27-2009, 05:23 AM

:rolleyes: Who said that it was? But calling anyone who doesn't support GBSP a "leftist" (as I've seen people do) doesn't help anyone. At least Glen Beck has apologized (sort of) for his old positions. What about Sarah Palin? Has she ever said "bailouts are never a good idea including the 2008 bailout I supported"? Yeah she's got a following. But does she have a message?

Sorry to hijack this thread jmdrake but how do you start a thread? I want to start one about Gold going down $ 14 overnight. Maybe you can start one? I don't think I have the privlege to start one :o

jmdrake

10-27-2009, 05:26 AM

Sorry to hijack this thread jmdrake but how do you start a thread? I want to start one about Gold going down $ 14 overnight. Maybe you can start one? I don't think I have the privlege to start one :o

Ok Kanye. (jest kiddin. :) )

Go to the forum where you want to post this and click the "New Thread" button. Gold going to $ 14? You must be kidding. Unless you're talking about "per flake".

manny229

10-27-2009, 05:41 AM

Ok Kanye. (jest kiddin. :) )

Go to the forum where you want to post this and click the "New Thread" button. Gold going to $ 14? You must be kidding. Unless you're talking about "per flake".

Check this out

http://www.coininfo.com/

manny229

10-27-2009, 05:44 AM

Thanks jmdrake!!!!

Catatonic

10-27-2009, 07:30 AM

None of the newly 'libertarian' former neocons I know, and I know quite a few, like Palin AT ALL. I hope the establishment isn't able to sway many newcomers to the liberty movement to support someone like her.

moostraks

10-27-2009, 07:31 AM

when does supporting Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin become against the forum guidelines?

:D

moostraks

10-27-2009, 07:37 AM

They are setting up a false battle within the GOP to neutralize the Ron Paul movement. I doubt that third party is the real goal. The real candidates will come later.

There are creating this New Conservative/Tea Party/anti-Obama socialist faction, that is intended to take the place of the true opposition, the Ron Paul Republicans. Palin is just one of the faces of this faction. Way too early to bring in the real candidates. They want a repeat of the GOP Primary of 2000, when they had a false "battle" between the two neo-conservatives, Bush and McCain...

Pretty accurate assessment of events and NO just because it is nefarious does not make it tinfoil hat worthy. These bastards are corrupt and anyone who had the priviledge of sitting through the sham or farce of a primary last go 'round trying to become delegates would not even hesitate to postulate this theory.:mad:

Beck and Palin are part of the program. We are just the audience. I still think they owe Romney a huge favor for his bizarro drop out last time, so wouldn't be surprised to see him pop up as more of a contender. Otherwise they must have some dirt on him bad enough to bury his head so far he won't contend.( ala Eliot Spitzer)

jmdrake

10-27-2009, 10:12 AM

Check this out

http://www.coininfo.com/

Wait. I see I misread you. It's gold is down $14 as opposed to gold being down TO $14. :o

ForLiberty-RonPaul

10-27-2009, 10:16 AM

:rolleyes: Who said that it was? But calling anyone who doesn't support GBSP a "leftist" (as I've seen people do) doesn't help anyone. At least Glen Beck has apologized (sort of) for his old positions. What about Sarah Palin? Has she ever said "bailouts are never a good idea including the 2008 bailout I supported"? Yeah she's got a following. But does she have a message?

don't post when your tired dude :) you misread stuff

jmdrake

10-27-2009, 10:22 AM

don't post when your tired dude :) you misread stuff

LOL. Ok.

Brian4Liberty

10-27-2009, 11:11 AM

I still think they owe Romney a huge favor for his bizarro drop out last time, so wouldn't be surprised to see him pop up as more of a contender. Otherwise they must have some dirt on him bad enough to bury his head so far he won't contend.( ala Eliot Spitzer)

A "new and improved" Romney will return, spouting quotes from the Constitution and Founding Fathers, and talking about the evils of Obama socialism. He is keeping very quite right now, the public's memory needs to fade a bit before he returns. He also can't come out during the Obama-Care debate, as he had his own Romney-Care when he was Governor. He has to wait for that to play out first. He also has to figure whether to run as an "establishment" Republican or a "new-conservative" Republican...

catdd

10-27-2009, 11:16 AM

A "new and improved" Romney will return, spouting quotes from the Constitution and Founding Fathers, and talking about the evils of Obama socialism. He is keeping very quite right now, the public's memory needs to fade a bit before he returns. He also can't come out during the Obama-Care debate, as he had his own Romney-Care when he was Governor. He has to wait for that to play out first. He also has to figure whether to run as an "establishment" Republican or a "new-conservative" Republican...

Sounds about right. The Great White Father figure returneth.

itshappening

10-27-2009, 11:24 AM

lets see if Beck endorses Mr. Johnson, something tells me he'll find an excuse....

Romulus

10-27-2009, 11:55 AM

rest assured, the liberty movement WILL be hijacked and made to return in 2012 to set up BO for another 4.

Thats why we need RP more than ever, to slap the hands of these neocons putting on a front.

However, BO will win and the GOP will blame the 3rd party or RP for their loss.

Romulus

10-27-2009, 11:57 AM

who has a toobz of the OP anyway?

mconder

10-27-2009, 02:02 PM

I don't know how anyone who made their name synonymous with John McCain could be trusted...ever.

JasonC

10-27-2009, 02:16 PM

After a few weeks of watching Beck I knew that he was going to do this with Palin. I have said it numerous times. He is being made the leader of the tea party movement and will push them in the direction of an establishment, "country club"--i.e. Palin--candidate (whom will be using most of Ron Paul's message) when 2012 comes around.

It will be funny to see how Beck treats Paul if he decides to run in 2012. And, hey, in one recent interview when asked about a 2012 run, Paul says something like "if there is a dollar cirsis I am going to have to speak out."

MichelleHeart

10-27-2009, 02:31 PM

It sorta worries me how you people seem to think that anyone who doesn't follow lockstep with Ron Paul's views is evil. Personally, he is one of the only Congressmen I know so far that is honest and decent and full of integrity, but I don't worship him. I would never vote Palin for president because of her foreign policy views, but I personally admire her as a person and activist. She's not the smartest cookie, but there are so many other reasons why I like her. She seems like a good person to me, even if she isn't qualified for the presidency.

About Glenn Beck: I don't put my trust in any media personality, but Beck has some great ideas he is putting forth, he has had some good things to say about Ron Paul, and Rand Paul has complimented Beck's books. It his is ideas that are most important, and we shouldn't be worshiping anybody. At least Beck has attracted a lot of people to the libertarian side, and a lot of his viewers have turned into Ron Paul supporters. I mean, he even defended Ron Paul when Lindsey Graham said that libertarians aren't welcome to the party. He has made people more interested in politics. In fact, if it wasn't for him, I wouldn't be as passionate about politics as I am now. I probably wouldn't even be supporting Ron Paul if it wasn't for Beck. He can be dramatic and crazy, but I'm that way, too. Even if he was fake, his ideas are great, and that's what's important. I mean, just look at the 9-12 movement he started. People are waking up all over the country. We should at least be grateful for that.

Trust me: I think most political personalities are shills. The only honest candidates in '08 were Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, and Mike Gravel. I'm not a big fan of Kucinich's and Gravel's views, but at least they're decent. (I like their foreign policy, though. Hehe.)

JasonC

10-27-2009, 02:35 PM

It sorta worries me how you people seem to think that anyone who doesn't follow lockstep with Ron Paul's views is evil. Personally, he is one of the only Congressmen I know so far that is honest and decent and full of integrity, but I don't worship him. I would never vote Palin for president because of her foreign policy views, but I personally admire her as a person and activist. She's not the smartest cookie, but there are so many other reasons why I like her. She seems like a good person to me, even if she isn't qualified for the presidency.

About Glenn Beck: I don't put my trust in any media personality, but Beck has some great ideas he is putting forth, he has had some good things to say about Ron Paul, and Rand Paul has complimented Beck's books. It his is ideas that are most important, and we shouldn't be worshiping anybody. At least Beck has attracted a lot of people to the libertarian side, and a lot of his viewers now are Ron Paul supporters. He has made people more interested in politics. In fact, if it wasn't for him, I wouldn't be as passionate about politics as I am now. I probably wouldn't even be supporting Ron Paul if it wasn't for Beck. He can be dramatic and crazy, but I'm that way, too. Even if he was fake, his ideas are great, and that's what's important. I mean, just look at the 9-12 movement he started. People are waking up all over the country. We should at least be grateful for that.

I think almost everyone appreciates what Beck has done with his show and bringing people to these ideas. However, many of us, being distrusting of the MSM, are worried that he will mislead the "tea baggers" at times when it is most important (elections).

And the fact that he is using most of Ron Paul's talking points and message yet gives him very little credit is a bit disappointing. How can he have guys on like Karl Rove trying to talk about smaller government or the health care bill. Something doesn't smell right to me about Beck.

Hopefully I spoke for the majority of RPFers with this post. That is up for you guys to decide. but no matter what happens, hold Beck's feet to the fire come time for elections. And I do not mean that he has to support Ron Paul 100%, but he needs to support someone who will walk the walk in the direction we(and Beck says) want to go.

MichelleHeart

10-27-2009, 02:37 PM

He could very well do that, so, again, I don't put my trust in any media personality, but I like what he's being preaching lately.

purplechoe

10-27-2009, 02:37 PM

If you think that Beck and Palin and liberty minded people than you are no patriot!!!

MichelleHeart

10-27-2009, 02:39 PM

Demonization will not attract people to our cause. I am suspicious of all politicians and all media personalities, which is why I don't participate in hero worship. I don't think Palin is very smart, and her foreign policy ideas are horrible. I don't want her to be president, but I don't hate her. She seems like a nice lady to me.

sofia

10-27-2009, 02:43 PM

He could very well do that, so, again, I don't put my trust in any media personality, but I like what he's being preaching lately.

always remember, when a bunch of Marxists suddenly converted into "neo-conservatism" in the 1970's, it was their rhetoric that fooled the traditional conservatives into following them.

i like most of Beck's rhetoric too....but until he starts promoting Ron, Rand, Schiff as much as he talks about Palin...I remain deeply suspicious.

There is no reason at all for him to continue to ignore Ron Paul who is a nationally kinown figure now.

JasonC

10-27-2009, 02:46 PM

Has Beck even had Ron Paul on to talk about End the Fed? I think people get the point about Obama's advisors. He needs to stop spending so much time on that stuff.

MichelleHeart

10-27-2009, 02:47 PM

I agree that he should talk about Ron Paul more, but at least he does. He even did a one-hour show featuring him, so that's something. He mentioned him in his books, and he's acknowledged him as an honest politician. Does that mean we should trust Glenn Beck? No. In fact, we shouldn't put trust into any politician or media personality. Glenn Beck could stab the movement right in the back at any moment, which is why I'm prepared.

Jason: He has showed "End the Fed" on his show and promoted it. He let Ron Paul write an op-ed piece about the Fed in his magazine as well. Again, that's not to say that Beck won't stab the movement in the back.