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tajitj
10-25-2009, 01:25 PM
Guys like Doug Hoffman, Mike Williams, Marco Rubio, the posterboys for these kind of new found"conservatives" that until very recently went right along with HUGE government, wars, assaults on personal liberty, all the things that makes us hold our nose and be Republicans.

Also let me say state and local races it has less influence on my opinion because they will not be voting in the Congress and able to give the President a blank check for war.

From what I see, if these guys would at least come out and say the Iraq war went badly and would have to seriously rethink a war like that again, I might support them. BUT they completely support it and think we need more, probably would see them support 100% an invasion of Iran, and keep defending the Patriot Act. Does anyone think the Iraq war went ok and that we should somehow be proud of what happend and be cheering the way it is finally ending?

Does anyone feel like they want to rethink the whole party thing, watching the GOP rally around abortion, gay marriage and middle east war loving "conservatives" is driving me wild. We apparently were played like a fiddle, somehow we were convinced to stay in the party, then suddenly the right wing MSM types are talking about being non partisan and influencial leaders are jumping the party for Hoffman.

I will play the old game of asking would you rather have a moderate big govt Democrat win, because you helped campaign against these guys in favor of Libertarian or Constitution candidate who believes in a noninterventionist foreign policy and are against the police state.

Personally, I would vote for the third party, if none on ballot, then I would vote for these guys over the Dem. Unless the Dem was a Kucinich or Grayson type. But it becoming a lose, lose situation for me.

Kotin
10-25-2009, 01:27 PM
I cannot support that foreign policy.. period.

Flash
10-25-2009, 01:51 PM
As long as they were Conservative domestically then it wouldn't be a big concern for me. Which is why I wish the best for Chuck DeVore, Hoffman, & Jesse Kelly.

I actually don't mind Moderate intervention all that much. I just get too annoyed at certain Neo-Conservatives that would look to nuke a country for saying something bad about Israel.

LibertyMage
10-25-2009, 02:46 PM
I cannot support that foreign policy.. period.

Exactly.

Supporting "moderate intervention" is like supporting the moderate circumvention of the constitution and the moderate trampling of civil liberties. Historical precedent shows that any type of foreign intervention leads to loss of innocent life, huge amounts of wasted money, government corruption, a trampling of freedom at home, bigger government at home and never ending foreign political commitments.

Brian4Liberty
10-25-2009, 04:02 PM
As long as they were Conservative domestically then it wouldn't be a big concern for me. Which is why I wish the best for Chuck DeVore, Hoffman, & Jesse Kelly.


DeVore has a track record of being very fiscally conservative and supporting the Constitution. He has also said that he is basically non-interventionist, although he believes in successfully completing (winning?) the current engagements.

I don't know a lot about the guy, but I know that Hoffman has been "endorsed" by Bill Kristol. That is the kiss of death. I am glad I don't have to vote in that race...

johnrocks
10-25-2009, 04:23 PM
I can't support neo conservative foreign policy, I don't care how much tea they mix with it.

ForLiberty-RonPaul
10-25-2009, 06:52 PM
no

lesser of two evils is still evil.

I'd rather be dead.

sofia
11-09-2009, 01:57 PM
i would rather have domestic socialism than the blood of innocent Arabs on my hands.

warmongers will never get my support.

just imagine if it were your child...or your mother...buried under the rubble of our bombs

TCE
11-09-2009, 02:09 PM
Up until after September of last year, most of us would have answered "absolutely not" in response to the question of supporting interventionists. However, things have changed. I am more lenient on the foreign policy issue when the other side includes Barbara Boxer, Charlie Crist, and any other establishment character.

klamath
11-09-2009, 02:32 PM
This is the way you have to look at it. Obama did absolutely nothing but expanded the wars but on top of that he expanded the defidit 3 times in the first year and that is not even beginning to add all the huge expenses he is trying to get through. (CnT, healthcare etc.). Though I didn't think Obama was going to stop the wars I thought him and the democrats just by chance might. Wrong!
Now the war is just a wash between the two parties and you have to make choices on the other issues.

klamath
11-09-2009, 02:34 PM
i would rather have domestic socialism than the blood of innocent Arabs on my hands.

warmongers will never get my support.

just imagine if it were your child...or your mother...buried under the rubble of our bombs

So you get domestic socialism and the war:rolleyes: