View Full Version : Alan Grayson Reaching out to Liberty Movement for Support
Feenix566
10-23-2009, 04:48 PM
Here's an email Alan Grayson sent out to his mailing list:
Dear XXXX,
The Federal Reserve is extremely powerful, and totally out of control. You know it, I know it, and millions of other people know it.
When I questioned Federal Reserve Inspector General Elizabeth Coleman about the whereabouts of trillions of dollars printed by the Fed, and put that video online, it became the most widely watched Congressional hearing in history. Though you won't see it in the mainstream media, a few days ago, this video hit three million views.
On November 2, we're organizing a money bomb for our re-election campaign. This November 2 is exactly one year before the 2010 elections. It is our chance to show the world that when someone speaks out for our values, for American values, for Constitutional values, he will have the support he needs to win.
Please join us. Visit this special website I set up -- Fed.CongressmanWithGuts.com -- and pledge to donate to my November 2 money bomb. (http://salsa.mydccc.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=ZhjF2MF3fcGDKjLV2Mtl3Q%3D%3D)
You know that I'm willing to take those bankers on, head-on, whether it is bringing Democrats to support Fed audit legislation, or grilling Ben Bernanke on money sent to foreign banks. But since I've taken them on, I've made a few enemies. The Executive Director of the National Republican Congressional Committee has named me the number one target in the entire country. Prominent D.C. election forecaster Charlie Cook downgraded my re-election chances, which is a signal to corporate interests to go after me.
I am being attacked. They are determined to marginalize and undermine me -- because I am speaking for YOU. Now I need your help, to keep our campaign for liberty strong.
Hundreds of people have already pledged to join together, for one day, and show that our voices are united. So please make a pledge, and forward this to your friends.
http://Fed.CongressmanWithGuts.com
It's our right to know where our money went. Before Ben Bernanke is confirmed for a second term, shouldn't the Senate and the people know who got the $2 trillion the Federal Reserve has lent out over the last two years?
On November 2, everyone will be watching. We can send a message: Asking the tough questions and speaking out for the values of all American isn't just good policy. It's good politics.
Visit Fed.CongressmanWithGuts.com now, and pledge to donate in my November 2 money bomb.
With so many politicians receiving "dirty" money, isn't it time we had a Representative dedicated to -- and powered by -- regular Americans?
That's who I aim to be, every day in Congress.
Thank you for all that we can do together,
Alan Grayson
Member of Congress
P.S. What makes a money bomb work is the united action of huge groups of people all across the country. That's why I need you, after you've made your pledge, to forward this to all the people you know who share our concerns, and ask them to join our November 2 money bomb.
So he's touting his record of opposing the Federal Reserve, asking for a "money bomb", and he even used the phrase "campaign for liberty". Notice that he didn't mention the organization by name, he merely used the name as a phrase.
This is the first time that a Democrat has reached out to us!
Now, we may disapprove of the way he talks about Fox News, but lets not forget the way Fox News treated our beloved Dr. Paul, excluding him from the debates and refusing to mention him in their daily election updates.
This is an opportunity for the liberty movement to prove that it's not partisan, it's not going to be co-opted by the neocons and social conservatives of the Republican party. It's time to show the world that we're motivated by ideals, not by politics.
ForLiberty-RonPaul
10-23-2009, 04:54 PM
i'm not clear on what you are suggesting
Flash
10-23-2009, 04:57 PM
This is an opportunity for the liberty movement to prove that it's not partisan, it's not going to be co-opted by the neocons and social conservatives of the Republican party. It's time to show the world that we're motivated by ideals, not by politics.
Nah, thats not going to work. If Liberals hate us, then they hate us. We were fond of Dennis Kucinich for a while and it didn't get us any respect amongst the far left.
Spend your money on Kokesh, Rand Paul, & Chuck DeVore imo.
ForLiberty-RonPaul
10-23-2009, 05:01 PM
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=215794
brandon
10-23-2009, 05:03 PM
Reaching out, or trying to take advantage of us?
Grayson is no friend of liberty. He's a sensationalist, a demagogue, and a socialist.
I'd gladly let him join our efforts to audit/end the fed....but that doesn't mean I'm going to support the rest of his statist views.
low preference guy
10-23-2009, 05:07 PM
Friends, I think we should consider supporting Grayson... once he calls for the complete separation of government and health care, of course.
jmdrake
10-23-2009, 05:11 PM
Nah, thats not going to work. If Liberals hate us, then they hate us. We were fond of Dennis Kucinich for a while and it didn't get us any respect amongst the far left.
Spend your money on Kokesh, Rand Paul, & Chuck DeVore imo.
Were fond of Kucinich? I still like him. And those that don't like him didn't like him back in 2008 either. D.K. hasn't said anything stupid like "Fox News and their Republican collaborators are the enemy of America". I don't mind him attacking Fox News. But there's no excuse for his blanket attack on all republicans when he (supposedly) is working with one to audit the fed. Ron Paul has never done a blanket attack on all democrats. And I've never heard Kucinich doing a blanket attack on all republicans.
Austrian Econ Disciple
10-23-2009, 05:11 PM
Ask yourselves, why does he want to Audit the Fed? All of his other policies are in stark economic contrast to ending the Fed. Does he want to End the Fed, or just audit? What does he want in it's replacement? Of course, the Congress will be in charge of our monetary policy, which I would argue has the potential to be just as bad. Does he want to setup a central bank to replace the Fed?
Look at his ulterior motives when all of his other proposals, especially economic in nature, are in direct competition to our goals. Why would any of us EVER donate to this guy?
If he wasn't a die-hard partisan and espoused so many socialist policies, then maybe it would at least be a personal judgement call.
Chester Copperpot
10-23-2009, 05:12 PM
Grayson has been quite the attack dog on the fed. We need a guy like this IMO..
Im sure he has some domestic policy views I would disagree with.. but I think the top priority is the federal reserve. Once we get rid of that huge waste of existence we can spend time bickering on the smaller problems
aravoth
10-23-2009, 05:19 PM
Grayson is not a stupid man. That is why I am baffeled at some of the rediculous things he says. If he understand the monetary inepitude of the FED, the problems it causes on the broader economy, how can he not see the detrimental effects of a nationalized healthcare system? How can he not see the effects of Increased deficits?
The government growing larger and more interventionist is the very reason things like the FED exist. If the government requires money, it will either take it from the population by force (taxation), or it will use the central bank to print the difference (inflation). In either case, the public is left with less money in thier pockets, which translates into less money for food, less money for healthcare, less money for school.
Of course he would say that government programs exist to assist people with these things. But he doesn't realize that the government programs, including the soon to be "universal healthcare" is the very reason these programs are needed in the first place.
Once Grayson figures that out, call me. Until then, he should learn a little more about the subjects he speaks about.
Austrian Econ Disciple
10-23-2009, 05:21 PM
Grayson is not a stupid man. That is why I am baffeled at some of the rediculous things he says. If he understand the monetary inepitude of the FED, the problems it causes on the broader economy, how can he not see the detrimental effects of a nationalized healthcare system? How can he not see the effects of Increased deficits?
The government growing larger and more interventionist is the very reason things like the FED exist. If the government requires money, it will either take it from the population by force (taxation), or it will use the central bank to print the difference (inflation). In either case, the public is left with less money in thier pockets, which translates into less money for food, less moeny for healthcare, less money for school.
Of course he would say that government programs exist to assist people with these things. But he doesn't realize that the government programs, including the soon to be "universal healthcare" is the very reason these programs are needed in the first place.
Once Grayson figures that out, call me. Until then, he should learn a little more about the subjects he speaks about.
Once you learn that 100% of the politicians are only in the "business" because of power, then you'll come to a greater understanding. I can count the number of Statesman America has had in the last 100 years on one hand. Prettttttty, prettttttty, pretttaaayy, prettttaaaay sad. :D
Jeremy
10-23-2009, 05:23 PM
Grayson is a great socialist. No libertarian could possibly support him. Alexander Hamilton may have been on the liberty side in the war, but he did a great job enslaving the American people. Grayson also supports the enslavement of Americans. His position on the Federal Reserve does not make him someone worth supporting. He is bad.
aravoth
10-23-2009, 05:24 PM
Once you learn that 100% of the politicians are only in the "business" because of power, then you'll come to a greater understanding. I can count the number of Statesman America has had in the last 100 years on one hand. Prettttttty, prettttttty, pretttaaayy, prettttaaaay sad. :D
I yes, I know. But that is exactly why politicians should be held to the absolute highest standard there is.
I'm tired of them fucking up the entire world because they are to stupid to study a subject properly.
purplechoe
10-23-2009, 05:34 PM
Ask yourselves, why does he want to Audit the Fed? All of his other policies are in stark economic contrast to ending the Fed. Does he want to End the Fed, or just audit? What does he want in it's replacement? Of course, the Congress will be in charge of our monetary policy, which I would argue has the potential to be just as bad. Does he want to setup a central bank to replace the Fed?
Look at his ulterior motives when all of his other proposals, especially economic in nature, are in direct competition to our goals. Why would any of us EVER donate to this guy?
If he wasn't a die-hard partisan and espoused so many socialist policies, then maybe it would at least be a personal judgement call.
That pretty much states what I was thinking. I want to like to the guy. The grilling he gave Bernanke and the Federal Reserve Inspector General was a lot more confrontational than Ron has ever been with them and that was very exciting for us to see that. But the way he has been behaving lately reminds me of Nancy Pelosi and pushing for the health care bill just drives the nail in the coffin for me. No way can I get support him like I did with Ron and the rest of the liberty candidates.
Flash
10-23-2009, 05:48 PM
Were fond of Kucinich? I still like him. And those that don't like him didn't like him back in 2008 either. D.K. hasn't said anything stupid like "Fox News and their Republican collaborators are the enemy of America". I don't mind him attacking Fox News. But there's no excuse for his blanket attack on all republicans when he (supposedly) is working with one to audit the fed. Ron Paul has never done a blanket attack on all democrats. And I've never heard Kucinich doing a blanket attack on all republicans.
I was advocating not donating to Grayson. I was in no way saying Kucinich is equal to Grayson. I was simply saying we were very fond of Kucinich during the 2008 elections & the left didn't look at us any different. So why would they look at us favorably now if we financially supported Grayson?
It was a response to the OP:
This is an opportunity for the liberty movement to prove that it's not partisan, it's not going to be co-opted by the neocons and social conservatives of the Republican party. It's time to show the world that we're motivated by ideals, not by politics.
And yes I don't care for Alan Grayson at all, as my recent thread about him shows.
devil21
10-23-2009, 06:06 PM
His attacks on the bankers are great but that's about where the similarities end. Don't get fooled into believing he's a friend of liberty. You gotta do more than smack Bernanke around a few times before you're part of the movement.
personally i kind of like the guy - but i'm continually disappointed that he does not take an anti-war, anti-empire stance. didn't he vote yes on further sanctions for Iran? i'd like to know more about his stand on social issues (drug war) but i think we should all admire, applaud, and rally behind this man that will, given the opportunity, tell Bernanke, "you're a lying fucking idiot piece of shit!"
Austrian Econ Disciple
10-23-2009, 06:25 PM
personally i kind of like the guy - but i'm continually disappointed that he does not take an anti-war, anti-empire stance. didn't he vote yes on further sanctions for Iran? i'd like to know more about his stand on social issues (drug war) but i think we should all admire, applaud, and rally behind this man that will, given the opportunity, tell Bernanke, "you're a lying fucking idiot piece of shit!"
Eh, no. The guy is a die-hard socialist. That goes against everything we stand for. So, why would you donate again? Talk about co-opting! I'll support him (Verbally, only) in auditing the Fed, but that's it. The guy is more partisan than Mr. Partisan himself Karl Rove.
devil21
10-23-2009, 06:37 PM
Grayson on Bill Maher
YouTube - Alan Grayson on Bill Maher: GOP Health Care Reform Would Be Letting You Bring A Gun to the Doctor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK44oAyOPoU)
So against the Fed and against the wars is what we have in common. The guy is pretty funny though.
NerveShocker
10-23-2009, 06:43 PM
He's in debt over 1 million dollars and wants us to bail him out? No thanks. He can choose to be on the right or wrong side of issues but until he agrees with our entire message instead of bits and pieces he shouldn't expect 1 dime from us, and he won't get it.. no matter how viral his youtube video was.. what a joke he is he can't manage his finances and expects us to save him, get real. I loved the bit at the end where he told us how a money-bomb works.. rofl! We created the money-bomb and we know exactly how it works.. he's the clueless one.
Arklatex
10-23-2009, 06:49 PM
He has been an ally of Dr. Paul, and a tremendous ally of ours exposing the FED ... no one can deny that.
For that I'll send him $20, I think it'd show how powerful and diverse our liberty movement is.
Now if it were for Peter, Kokesh or Rand I'd send $100
specsaregood
10-23-2009, 06:56 PM
He has been an ally of Dr. Paul, and a tremendous ally of ours exposing the FED ... no one can deny that.
For that I'll send him $20, I think it'd show how powerful and diverse our liberty movement is.
Sorry Ark, can't do it myself. The guy's personal spending/debt habits will reflect on his habits in congress. He doesn't want to fight the fed for the same reasons as us, he wants to have control of the fed.
I would rather toss $20 to a Liberty Candidate that has absolutely no chance than to support Alan Grayson. He is good on the Fed, but that is it. His words may say he is against war, but his votes do not. Anything Obama tells him, he will do. This is not someone who deserves our money.
Cowlesy
10-23-2009, 07:02 PM
He's right on the Fed, wrong on most domestic policy in my view.
If a Congressman is going to believe in Liberty, he can't half-ass it. No jingle in my pockets for him.
Dionysus
10-23-2009, 07:31 PM
His help on the Fed issue has been tremendous, and it's a big issue that is ongoing. Of course, donate to Rand first.
Austrian Econ Disciple
10-23-2009, 07:36 PM
His help on the Fed issue has been tremendous, and it's a big issue that is ongoing. Of course, donate to Rand first.
Do you honestly believe he wants to Audit the Fed for the same reasons Ron Paul does? The man is no friend to our movement. I can't believe you guys are falling for this.
Dionysus
10-23-2009, 07:40 PM
Do you honestly believe he wants to Audit the Fed for the same reasons Ron Paul does? The man is no friend to our movement. I can't believe you guys are falling for this.
Well he wants to audit the Fed for good reasons, I think, though not exactly Paul's reasons. He did take a copy of HR 1207 around with him on the House floor for weeks and would corner fellow Dems to tell them how important it is. I'm not falling for him, but I would support him more than most Republicans. If the left was mostly like Grayson, we could have real debates on real issues and we'd agree on perhaps half of them right off the bat!
Still, the Dems need to clean up their own party and we should focus on the liberty candidates first. But if someone out there is totally wealthy, donating to Grayson would be a net plus right now.
Austrian Econ Disciple
10-23-2009, 07:46 PM
Well he wants to audit the Fed for good reasons, I think, though not exactly Paul's reasons. He did take a copy of HR 1207 around with him on the House floor for weeks and would corner fellow Dems to tell them how important it is. I'm not falling for him, but I would support him more than most Republicans. If the left was mostly like Grayson, we could have real debates on real issues and we'd agree on perhaps half of them right off the bat!
Still, the Dems need to clean up their own party and we should focus on the liberty candidates first. But if someone out there is totally wealthy, donating to Grayson would be a net plus right now.
Are you serious? He is a partisan hack. He's a die-hard socialist. Look at his votes, look at his speeches, look at who he associates with.
The left IS mostly like Grayson. They don't want debates, they want to ramrod their agenda through. Look around.
How is he better than most republicans? Last I checked nearly every House Republican is co-sponsoring this. In fact, House Republicans haven't been that bad lately, but I'm under no delusion that it's because of principles, because it clearly isn't. It's political partisan hackery. There are notable exceptions of course.
I guess you guys would donate freely to Obama also, if he just so happened to agree with us on one issue? Right? Though it would be of course, for totally different reasons...
specsaregood
10-23-2009, 07:54 PM
He's right on the Fed
I don't think he is. The impression I get is similar to kucinich. He doesn't want to abolish the fed, he wants a gov't controlled fed.
itshappening
10-23-2009, 07:59 PM
he's proving himself a bit of a partisan hack playing to the gallery with his attacks on the evil Republicans.
screw him!
Chieftain1776
10-23-2009, 08:05 PM
Not a penny but I'm not undecided about opposing him politically vs a Republican.
More importantly he and the Democrats are trying to co-opt the Fed issue as a Democrat issue. Pelosi mentioned the book "Secrets of the Temple", Barney Frank started trying to claim he's been fighting the good fight since the 80's in the Audit the Fed hearings and Grayson has been the most blatant and is now asking for RON PAUL moneybombs.
Remember during the Audit the Fed hearings? He literally had his staff put up the video within minutes so NO OTHER video would get the views and attention. I bet his staff (if not he himself personally) monitored that thread and may even be monitoring this one.
"Campaign for Liberty".. yeah right. Jump in line with Beck, Hannity, etc to co-opt this movement and its precious $$$
specsaregood
10-23-2009, 08:08 PM
Just to add to my earlier comment. Vote like Ron Paul and you will get my donations; Otherwise you can fend for yourself.
NerveShocker
10-23-2009, 08:16 PM
It seems most will not be supporting him by a landslide, those who wish to should feel free to spend their money as they wish. Personally I refuse to give him a dime until he stops refusing common sense on a variety of other issues. His big government policies and inability to control his own spending shows he will never reign in big government spending. I guess he can't ask the fed or their cronies for any cheap money so he has to ask us.. between a rock and a hard place. ;)
Chieftain1776
10-23-2009, 08:22 PM
To be fair I looked at his financing a while ago. He's completely self-funding which in my opinion is very admirable. Putting up 2 to 4 million for congressional seat means he's there for a different agenda albeit one I oppose. He had little or no contributions until he started being outrageous.
What annoys me is I think high up Democrats are literally trying to use our terminology and ideas and tie them to their left-wing and ultimately fascist-lite agenda.
amy31416
10-23-2009, 10:10 PM
I saw a video of him giving Broun a real wringing over the Constitution and bills of attainder:
YouTube - Grayson v. Broun on the Constitution (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKz5ZHM8kFM&feature=player_embedded)
However, this is him arguing to not end funding to Acorn. And he uses the Constitution quite deftly, however, he misses a huge point--is giving taxpayer money to organizations such as Acorn Constitutional in the first place?
So, it warms my heart to see him reaming the Fed. It warms my heart to see him grilling other Congressmen over what the Constitution says. But he is only half-in. I get the feeling that it's more about him amusing himself than it is about true principles. After he's had a couple years in office, I'll review his voting record and decide if he's worth a couple of bucks. Personally, I don't care about his criticisms of Fox or of the Republicans, but it does come off as not entirely sincere.
The Dems will eat this up though, because he's the only one they have who actually has a bit of a spine (besides Kucinich and Kaptur on occasion), he's obviously smart and witty. I'm okay with using him, just like we use Glenn Beck--neither of whom have earned my trust.
Every dollar spent to support this statist is a dollar that could have gone to the likes of Rand Paul, Schiff, Kokesh, etc. If you like the fact that Greyson is a pitbull against the Fed then send your money to Schiff who will present an even tougher challenge to the Fed without the socialist rhetoric. Do you want to give your money to a follower of Karl Marx or a student of Ludwig Von Mises?
MR2Fast2Catch
10-24-2009, 01:09 AM
He has been an ally of Dr. Paul, and a tremendous ally of ours exposing the FED ... no one can deny that.
For that I'll send him $20, I think it'd show how powerful and diverse our liberty movement is.
Now if it were for Peter, Kokesh or Rand I'd send $100
What a joke! Don't throw away $20 on a democrat incumbent who will probably win anyways! That $20 could go towards a liberty candidate who we agree with on almost every issue. Alan Grayson agrees with us on auditing the Fed. Almost nothing else though, as he is a big government liberal. I love Grayson in the hearings with the Fed, but please put that $20 to good use on a new liberty canddiate, not a Democrat incumbent.
Dieseler
10-24-2009, 02:02 AM
This guy can go pound sand.
WorldonaString
10-24-2009, 02:51 AM
Prettttttty, prettttttty, pretttaaayy, prettttaaaay sad. :D
Ooooh...Larry David reference!? ::p
Sandman33
10-24-2009, 03:08 AM
Every dollar spent to support this statist is a dollar that could have gone to the likes of Rand Paul, Schiff, Kokesh, etc. If you like the fact that Greyson is a pitbull against the Fed then send your money to Schiff who will present an even tougher challenge to the Fed without the socialist rhetoric. Do you want to give your money to a follower of Karl Marx or a student of Ludwig Von Mises?
I think she's right. Well spoken and thank you.
fj45lvr
10-24-2009, 03:31 AM
he voted for the "recovery bill" which proves he is NO FRIEND to Liberty and the tax payer..... nearly a trillion dollars in spending!!!!
every once in a while there are "strange bedfellows" on individual issues but overall he is BAD NEWS.
pass
Romulus
10-24-2009, 05:29 AM
This should be a poll.. and I would vote NO.. that letter is shameless. His actions on the FED are one thing, but EVERYthing else he stands for is an embarrassment to liberty. Send your $ Rand, Schiff, Paul etc etc
tonesforjonesbones
10-24-2009, 07:16 AM
WHY are people on this forum still endorsing SOCIALISTS like BILL MAHR, KUCINNICH who is so far to the left he wears MARX on his shirt and now this IDIOT grayson????? Does anyone wonder why TONES yells "SOCIALIST" often on this forum? If you support the likes of these there is no way you are any kind of libertarian. FFS. TONES
nobody's_hero
10-24-2009, 09:29 AM
He'll never get any donations from me because of the way he's been overblowing the whole healthcare "crisis". I might send him Ron's "End the Fed" when I've read it enough times.
He might be a potential convert, though. It'd take some really hard work.
Endgame
10-24-2009, 09:37 AM
The guy's an absolute snake from what I can tell. The only way we should even consider supporting him is if he's willing to publicly change some of his positions and apologize for voting for things like Cap and Tax. I'm sure he'll be doing that shortly :rolleyes:.
Alan Grayson is a stupid socialist man.
He knows nothing of economics or natural rights.
I think she's right. Well spoken and thank you.
I'm a dude, but thanks anyway. The name Kaya is only a screen name in reference to my favorite artist, Bob Marley.
http://gorgonzola1.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/bob-marley-kaya-19781.jpg
klamath
10-24-2009, 06:45 PM
I saw a video of him giving Broun a real wringing over the Constitution and bills of attainder:
YouTube - Grayson v. Broun on the Constitution (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKz5ZHM8kFM&feature=player_embedded)
However, this is him arguing to not end funding to Acorn. And he uses the Constitution quite deftly, however, he misses a huge point--is giving taxpayer money to organizations such as Acorn Constitutional in the first place?
So, it warms my heart to see him reaming the Fed. It warms my heart to see him grilling other Congressmen over what the Constitution says. But he is only half-in. I get the feeling that it's more about him amusing himself than it is about true principles. After he's had a couple years in office, I'll review his voting record and decide if he's worth a couple of bucks. Personally, I don't care about his criticisms of Fox or of the Republicans, but it does come off as not entirely sincere.
The Dems will eat this up though, because he's the only one they have who actually has a bit of a spine (besides Kucinich and Kaptur on occasion), he's obviously smart and witty. I'm okay with using him, just like we use Glenn Beck--neither of whom have earned my trust.
This whole little video is the reason I turned completely against Grayson. His twisting of the meaning of the constitution is outragous here. People that twist the constution to fit their own agenda are the worst.
klamath
10-24-2009, 06:48 PM
Grayson has earned a donation for his oponent from me. Even the way he wrote this letter was like a snake.
ChooseLiberty
10-24-2009, 06:55 PM
Grayson's a media whore that probably jumped on the Fed Bill bandwagon because he saw it had momentum and now he's trying to exploit and co opt the liberty movement.
Treat him like the poisoness reptile he is, except for the Fed Bill.
Bruno
10-24-2009, 07:31 PM
anyone else have a problem with him using the term money-bomb?
YumYum
10-24-2009, 08:48 PM
Grayson's a media whore that probably jumped on the Fed Bill bandwagon because he saw it had momentum and now he's trying to exploit and co opt the liberty movement.
Treat him like the poisoness reptile he is, except for the Fed Bill.
He wants to bring all the troops home immediately. That's a big feather in his cap.
akforme
10-24-2009, 09:13 PM
I wrote him and told him no, that fighting liberty isn't just a case by case event. I also told him I was offended by the liberty lip service. That's it's easy to say but only one man in DC can say it and mean it and he's not that man.
But I did tell him I'd vote for him over a neocon if those were my only options.
Imperial
10-24-2009, 11:54 PM
Did you catch the moneybomb website is FED.congressmanwithguts.com
Go on Daily Kos. He has an ad for his moneybomb there too. Except the video is his healthcare speech about the GOP. Slightly different pledge site for liberal democrats...
Stary Hickory
10-25-2009, 08:21 AM
Sorry Grayson would have my support if he were not a socialist. This is the problem with people like him, he supports trampling over the Constitution to take away our right to care for our own bodies yet says he is a defender of the Constitution with the audit the FED bill.
I would LOVE to find honest Democrats who I could give money too and support. But the reality of the situation is that if they have a D beside their name they are automatically enemies of our Constitution, freedoms, and rights. There is no room in the Democratic party for freedom lovers.
Say what you want about the Neoconish Republican party, but at LEAST there is room for constitutionalists, libertarians, and freedom lovers. He recently deem FOX news an enemy to America. I won't have anything to do with him.
Guys hes an honest politician, I don't care if we have the entire Congress controlled my democrats, but as long as they're honest I'm fine with it, look at what Bernie Sanders in the Senate did, he helped the Audit the Fed tremendously by sponsoring it in the senate. The Republican establishment will just put a neocon in Graysons place, and its very flattering of him to come to us to support him, and I for one will donate.
You are contributing to the campaign of a guy hell bent on trashing the constitution and stealing individual liberties. You are doing this in spite of a multitude of liberty candidates (who will also fight the Fed) in desperate need of financial support.
Greyson is going after the Fed so that it can be replaced by an even more tyrannical global central bank! Surely you don't believe he actually stands for sound money, do you? How else could he finance his Marxist plan of government?
Have fun betraying the liberty movement with your hard earned money while you could have sent that contribution to Schiff.
Schiff has absolutely no chance, he hasn't even been campaigning, I'm saying I want Grayson to stay in Congress.
You want a Marxist incumbent to stay in power? Nice...
You know Rand Paul is seeking contributions and has an excellent chance of winning. I'd be sick to my stomach knowing I am financially contributing to this grandstanding, socialist snake simply because he slings some mud at the Fed yet would love nothing more than replace the Fed with a more global central bank.
Also, has it ever occurred to you that you are financing a guy who will EMPOWER the IRS, EMPOWER the tyrannical elite via Cap & Trade and government healthcare? Come on, get a clue!
hillertexas
10-25-2009, 11:41 AM
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akforme
10-25-2009, 11:49 AM
He voted to give ACORN regulatory power.
http://republicans.financialservices.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=860&Itemid=43
vote link at the bottom of the article
http://republicans.financialservices.house.gov/images/stories/102209cfpawaters006.pdf
WClint
10-26-2009, 08:50 AM
Hes a clown. On a daily basis he makes outrageous stunt after outrageous stunt. Its nothing more than misdirection to placate the most vile of "progressive" scum. Despite them having all the advantages in the world, including the press acting as nothing more than cheerleaders for Obama, a super majority that they are still failing to pass Obamas radical agenda.
They are becoming more and more despondent with each passing day, there radical left wing agenda is failing. The boycott against Glen Beck not only did not work it backfired and Becks ratings are surging (in fact Fox News was able to get ride of anti-white Communist Van Jones), the white houses war on Fox News not only failed it backfired. Obamas ratings are dropping like a rock and his health care plan wont have the public option. The commies are going to get there asses handed to them in 2010 election. This clown is there to keep them happy little fascists... misdirection.
The left are the worst type of people because they will not actually stand by there believes (they have none), for example: code pink is now in favor of the war in Afghanistan. There believe is in power by any means necessary... dont be a dupe for this Grayson clown.
erowe1
10-26-2009, 09:01 AM
This is an opportunity for the liberty movement to prove that it's not partisan, it's not going to be co-opted by the neocons and social conservatives of the Republican party. It's time to show the world that we're motivated by ideals, not by politics.
By doing what? Donating to someone who agrees with us on one issue and does everything in his power to do the exact opposite of what we are for on most other issues?
That wouldn't prove we're nonpartisan, it would only prove we're not principled.
Carole
10-26-2009, 09:08 AM
Unfortunately, his recent "die quickly" comment about Repubs against national health care was a HUGE turnoff and disappointment for me. I could not now or ever support Cong. Grayson now that he has exposed himself for BIGGEST GOVERNMENT of all - access to our bodies.
Too bad because I like what he did at the meetings over the FED. :(
Carole
10-26-2009, 09:14 AM
Precisely!!!!!! :)
Carole
10-26-2009, 09:18 AM
Ask yourselves, why does he want to Audit the Fed? All of his other policies are in stark economic contrast to ending the Fed. Does he want to End the Fed, or just audit? What does he want in it's replacement? Of course, the Congress will be in charge of our monetary policy, which I would argue has the potential to be just as bad. Does he want to setup a central bank to replace the Fed?
Look at his ulterior motives when all of his other proposals, especially economic in nature, are in direct competition to our goals. Why would any of us EVER donate to this guy?
If he wasn't a die-hard partisan and espoused so many socialist policies, then maybe it would at least be a personal judgement call.
Perhaps he is using the FED issue as a ruse to get support for the "watered- down" audit the FED bill in order to get Ron Paul's bill off the table.
His healthcare position is simply wrong and does not support a genuine belief that the Fed and big government is a bad idea.
Please stay away from supporting Grayson and look into this Dr. Miller who is running.
Grayson is shown having $477,627 on hand, and owing $1,008,584.
At least he practices what he preaches :P
Quote:
Dr. Ken Miller planned on challenging Rep. Suzanna Kosmas, D-Fla., in Florida’s 24th Congressional District, but decided to run against Grayson in the 8th District after Republican state Sen. Dan Webster decided not to run.
what's wrong with this? pick a district to run in? sounds like Keyes running for the Senate in Illinois or Clinton in NY....
Yeah, what's up with that?
As long as Greyson is pounding on the fed, I doubt I could stomach another republican who is not similar to Ron Paul.
The big thing about Grayson is he doesn't just spout out something he doesn't believe. He puts action behind it. He has been ACTIVELY campaigning against the fed. How many Republicans other than Ron Paul can say that? Only a couple.
If he seriously believes Republicans want us to die then he is scarier than I previously thought and obviously a much larger threat.
The Republican is a doctor.....Grayson was a wall street guy......
Grayson is a pimp, hes sticking it to the NWO
Yeah Grayson is great on the Fed issue, but is crap on everything else. I wouldn't support him.
It's interesting to note that Peter Schiff once said in a vlog that he donated to Grayson's campaign since he knew him before he became a Congressman and because he said Grayson is probably one of a handful of Congressmen that actually knows how to read a balance sheet.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=215794
I do not believe Grayson is liberty-minded.
Icymudpuppy
10-26-2009, 09:30 AM
Did anybody respond to his email with something along the lines of:
"The CAMPAIGN 4 LIBERTY" supports candidates who espouse the following concepts...
THE 10-4 Pledge
As a public office holder, or a candidate for public office, I affirm that:
1. All just political authority is derived from the People, and government may only be established and maintained with their consent.
2. The People of each State have the sole and exclusive right and power to govern themselves in all areas not delegated to their government.
3. A government without limits is a tyranny.
4. The Tenth Amendment defines the total scope of federal power as being that which has been delegated by the people to the federal government in the Constitution, and also that which is necessary and proper to advancing those powers specifically enumerated in the Constitution of the United States. The rest is to be handled by the state governments, or by the people themselves, as they determine.
5. In order for a federally-exercised power to be “necessary and proper” it must be a) something that, without which, would make the enumerated power impossible to exercise, and b) a lesser power than that which has been enumerated
6. The “Interstate Commerce Clause” in Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution, does not permit Congress to regulate matters that merely affect commerce among the States. It only permits Congress to regulate trade among the States.
7. The phrase, “general Welfare,” in Article I, Section 8 does not authorize Congress to enact any laws it claims are in the “general Welfare” of the United States. The phrase sets forth the requirement that all laws passed by Congress in Pursuance of the enumerated powers of the Constitution shall also be in the general Welfare of the United States. This was affirmed by James Madison when he wrote: “With respect to the words “general welfare,” I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators.”
8. The federal government is not authorized to tax the People to raise monies for unconstitutional purposes. Likewise, the federal government is not authorized to condition funding to State or local governments on compliance with mandates which require them to do what the federal government is not authorized to do directly.
9. When Congress enacts laws and regulations that are not made in Pursuance of the powers enumerated in the Constitution, the People are not bound to obey them.
10. When the federal government exceeds its Constitutional authority, a nullification of the act is the rightful remedy. Without that remedy, the People would be living in a tyranny, under the unlawful and excessive control of one or more branches of the federal government.
As a public office holder, or a candidate for public office, I promise that, as long as I hold office:
1. My votes will always be in favor of the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of this State. Every issue. Every time. No exceptions. No excuses.
2. I do, and will continue to, oppose any and all efforts by the federal government to act beyond its Constitutional authority.
3. I will proactively introduce and support measures designed to adhere to the Tenth Amendment and preserve, to their fullest extent, the powers of the People in my district, and of the legislators and administrations of my State.
4. I will introduce, sponsor and support resolutions affirming the sovereignty of the People of this State under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.
5. I will introduce, sponsor, and support legislation that nullifies, within my state, actions of the federal government which exceed its Constitutional authority.
6. I will introduce, sponsor and support legislation that provides such relief as is necessary and proper to provide fair redress to the citizens of my State in response to actions by the federal government which exceeds its Constitutional authority.
7. I will introduce, sponsor and support legislation which refuses federal funding made on condition that my State comply with federal mandates not authorized by the Constitution.
8. I will only vote in favor of a bill that I have thoroughly read, considered and understood.
9. I will be accountable to voters. Upon request, I will make public every vote I cast while in office.
10. I will keep this pledge public, and will provide a link on my website which directs constituents to the text of this pledge.
__________________
GRX100
10-26-2009, 12:51 PM
Speaking for myself, I have far more in common with Alan Grayson than I do with the average Neocon. He opposes the wars and corporate welfare in addition to his expert scrutiny of the Fed. No, I don't agree with him on everything, but we can work out health care and taxes AFTER we bring these sickening wars to an end, and break up the fed.
We don't have enough support on our own to do these things, and we need to make alliances with principled progressives if we are going to build a real majority to take this country back from the abyss.
senatorpjt
10-26-2009, 01:06 PM
I live in Grayson's district. I'm not sending him money because I can send it elsewhere. However, I'm going to vote for him. He at least seems earnest, and I'll take a well-intentioned socialist over a neocon crook.
Feenix566
10-27-2009, 01:39 PM
Every dollar spent to support this statist is a dollar that could have gone to the likes of Rand Paul, Schiff, Kokesh, etc. If you like the fact that Greyson is a pitbull against the Fed then send your money to Schiff who will present an even tougher challenge to the Fed without the socialist rhetoric. Do you want to give your money to a follower of Karl Marx or a student of Ludwig Von Mises?
I like Grayson, but this post by KAYA is the last word on the debate. It doesn't make any sense to donate to Grayson unless you've already reached the $2600 limit for donations to Schiff, Rand, and Kokesh.
I just thought it was cool that a Democrat was reaching out to us.
I like Grayson, but this post by KAYA is the last word on the debate. It doesn't make any sense to donate to Grayson unless you've already reached the $2600 limit for donations to Schiff, Rand, and Kokesh.
I just thought it was cool that a Democrat was reaching out to us.
He'll reach out to anyone willing to part ways with their money.
Austrian Econ Disciple
10-27-2009, 10:43 PM
He'll reach out to anyone willing to part ways with their money.
Or unwilling with the barrel of a gun. :p
Or unwilling with the barrel of a gun. :p
Absolutely!;) Which is why any liberty loving libertarian would be insane to give this IRS empowering Marxist a single dime.
revolutionary8
10-27-2009, 10:47 PM
I like Grayson, but this post by KAYA is the last word on the debate. It doesn't make any sense to donate to Grayson unless you've already reached the $2600 limit for donations to Schiff, Rand, and Kokesh.
I just thought it was cool that a Democrat was reaching out to us.
and scores others before that!
http://www.thisnovember5th.com/
I didn't even think about this being a "funds" issue here. :(
the "unless" part of your post is crazy... Just those 3??????? whhhaaaatt???
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