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FrankRep
10-22-2009, 05:25 PM
There are two main threats to Internet freedom today -- an FCC-led government takeover of the Internet in the name of President Obama's net neutrality policy and a government takeover of the Internet in the name of cybersecurity as proposed in a bill sponsored by Senator Jay Rockefeller.


Preserve Internet Freedom -- Beware Obama's Net Neutrality (http://www.jbs.org/privacy-internet-freedom-blog/5525-preserve-internet-freedom-beware-obamas-net-neutrality)


Larry Greenley | John Birch Society (http://www.jbs.org/)
21 October 2009


A few years ago I was momentarily fooled by the "net neutrality" campaign. At that time I was surprised to see a coalition for net neutrality (http://civic.moveon.org/mobyinternet/video.html) featuring liberal MoveOn.org and conservative Gun Owners of America. I just checked and this coalition is still in effect.

More recently I haven't been paying attention to the net neutrality issue. I was surprised yesterday to learn that President Obama is a big backer of net neutrality. Here's a 50-second video of Obama speaking at Google back on November 14, 2007, where he said, "I will take a back seat to no one in my commitment to network neutrality."

YouTube - Barack Obama: On Net Neutrality (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-mW1qccn8k)

In contrast, constitutionalist Congressman Ron Paul is opposed to net neutrality regulation of the Internet based on his opposition to government regulation and support for a free market economy, as you can see in this 56-second video:

YouTube - RP on Net Neutrality (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXviEzjOx_M)

See these two video clips from yesterday's Glenn Beck program for more information about the net neutrality issue and how it fits in with President Obama's agenda to regulate free speech on radio, TV, and the Internet:

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(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uULNBso0BU)

Here are some revealing excerpts from "Net Neutrality enforcement may reach into your computer (http://www.examiner.com/x-10317-San-Diego-County-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2009m10d21-Net-Neutrality-enforcement-may-reach-into-your-computer)," dated October 21, 2009:



The Net Neutrality policy proposed by the Obama White House is set for a vote by the Federal Communication Commission (FCC) on Thursday....

The vote on Thursday, which is expected to pass, will set up a show down between providers and the government. Once the provision is passed it will give the FCC the ability to begin formulating rules and readying them for the legislative process.

The following are some of the FCC's proposed rules:

• Consumers are entitled to access any legal Internet content
• Consumers are entitled to use any Internet applications or services
• Consumers are entitled to connect to any devices that won't harm the network
• The same rules apply to cable/DSL and wireless Internet
• Internet providers can't block or slow competitors' online services


So, the FCC will vote on Obama's net neutrality policy tomorrow. Of course, the policy is expected to pass. The next step would be for the FCC to get congressional authorization to implement the net neutrality policy. And sure enough, a net neutrality bill has already been introduced in the House on July 31 as H.R. 3458 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:h3458:). For detailed commentary on this bill read "Net Neutrality Regulation vs. Internet Freedom (http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=25893)" by Adam de Angeli, posted on September 30.

The examples of the FCC's proposed net neutrality rules shown above don't seem immediately harmful to your Internet freedom until you realize that these rules would be enforced by the federal government. This would be the beginning of a government takeover of the Internet. As mentioned on the Beck TV show linked to above, it wouldn't be long until the government would be regulating content. We're already hearing repeatedly from Obama and his administration that the Internet and blogosphere are rampant with misleading information. We already know where this type of regulation would lead by looking at how China regulates the Internet over there.

It doesn't seem possible that the tens of millions of Americans that use the Internet daily would put up with a government takeover of the Internet. I sure hope they don't. It should be an epic struggle.

Nonetheless, just in case the American public doesn't acquiesce to strict government control of the Internet, there's a bill in Congress (S. 773 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:S.773:)), sponsored by Senator Jay Rockefeller, to give the President complete control of the Internet to preserve cybersecurity in case of "emergency." Here's an excerpt from the bill:

YouTube - Jay Rockefeller: Internet should have never existed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct9xzXUQLuY)

I know I'm going to be getting more up to speed on this issue in the days and weeks to come. I expect this Internet freedom issue to be one of the hottest issues during the next couple years.

It's a little late to mount a campaign to influence the FCC vote tomorrow. I know some others have been working on this already. However, we must fiercely oppose H.R. 3458 and any other net neutrality bills that might be introduced later this session. Click here to email your representatives and senators right now in opposition to a government takeover of the Internet in the name of net neutrality.

The Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution to establish a government that would secure our God-given rights. If we are to preserve our right to free speech, enough Americans need to work together to get a majority of constitutionalists (who respect the original intent of the Founders) elected to Congress. Short of that, we'll lose our right of free speech on the Internet and everywhere else as well.


SOURCE:
[url]http://www.jbs.org/privacy-internet-freedom-blog/5525-preserve-internet-freedom-beware-obamas-net-neutrality

Working Poor
10-22-2009, 05:43 PM
Aw I wish the government would make their own internet and leave ours alone...

1836er
10-22-2009, 06:58 PM
whatever government (especially with progressives in charge) name it, it most likely means the opposite, like the "fairness doctrine"

Edit: ... or Federal Reserve Accountability Act

FrankRep
08-12-2010, 01:20 PM
bump

heavenlyboy34
08-12-2010, 01:27 PM
....and the Sovietization of Amerika continues :(

Galileo Galilei
08-12-2010, 01:40 PM
Preserve Internet Freedom -- Beware Obama's Net Neutrality (http://www.jbs.org/privacy-internet-freedom-blog/5525-preserve-internet-freedom-beware-obamas-net-neutrality)


Larry Greenley | John Birch Society (http://www.jbs.org/)
21 October 2009


A few years ago I was momentarily fooled by the "net neutrality" campaign. At that time I was surprised to see a coalition for net neutrality (http://civic.moveon.org/mobyinternet/video.html) featuring liberal MoveOn.org and conservative Gun Owners of America. I just checked and this coalition is still in effect.

More recently I haven't been paying attention to the net neutrality issue. I was surprised yesterday to learn that President Obama is a big backer of net neutrality. Here's a 50-second video of Obama speaking at Google back on November 14, 2007, where he said, "I will take a back seat to no one in my commitment to network neutrality."

YouTube - Barack Obama: On Net Neutrality (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-mW1qccn8k)

In contrast, constitutionalist Congressman Ron Paul is opposed to net neutrality regulation of the Internet based on his opposition to government regulation and support for a free market economy, as you can see in this 56-second video:

YouTube - RP on Net Neutrality (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXviEzjOx_M)

See these two video clips from yesterday's Glenn Beck program for more information about the net neutrality issue and how it fits in with President Obama's agenda to regulate free speech on radio, TV, and the Internet:

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Here are some revealing excerpts from "Net Neutrality enforcement may reach into your computer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uULNBso0BU)," dated October 21, 2009:



The Net Neutrality policy proposed by the Obama White House is set for a vote by the Federal Communication Commission (FCC) on Thursday....

The vote on Thursday, which is expected to pass, will set up a show down between providers and the government. Once the provision is passed it will give the FCC the ability to begin formulating rules and readying them for the legislative process.

The following are some of the FCC's proposed rules:

• Consumers are entitled to access any legal Internet content
• Consumers are entitled to use any Internet applications or services
• Consumers are entitled to connect to any devices that won't harm the network
• The same rules apply to cable/DSL and wireless Internet
• Internet providers can't block or slow competitors' online services


So, the FCC will vote on Obama's net neutrality policy tomorrow. Of course, the policy is expected to pass. The next step would be for the FCC to get congressional authorization to implement the net neutrality policy. And sure enough, a net neutrality bill has already been introduced in the House on July 31 as H.R. 3458 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:h3458:). For detailed commentary on this bill read "Net Neutrality Regulation vs. Internet Freedom (http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=25893)" by Adam de Angeli, posted on September 30.

The examples of the FCC's proposed net neutrality rules shown above don't seem immediately harmful to your Internet freedom until you realize that these rules would be enforced by the federal government. This would be the beginning of a government takeover of the Internet. As mentioned on the Beck TV show linked to above, it wouldn't be long until the government would be regulating content. We're already hearing repeatedly from Obama and his administration that the Internet and blogosphere are rampant with misleading information. We already know where this type of regulation would lead by looking at how China regulates the Internet over there.

It doesn't seem possible that the tens of millions of Americans that use the Internet daily would put up with a government takeover of the Internet. I sure hope they don't. It should be an epic struggle.

Nonetheless, just in case the American public doesn't acquiesce to strict government control of the Internet, there's a bill in Congress (S. 773 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:S.773:)), sponsored by Senator Jay Rockefeller, to give the President complete control of the Internet to preserve cybersecurity in case of "emergency." Here's an excerpt from the bill:

YouTube - Jay Rockefeller: Internet should have never existed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct9xzXUQLuY)

I know I'm going to be getting more up to speed on this issue in the days and weeks to come. I expect this Internet freedom issue to be one of the hottest issues during the next couple years.

It's a little late to mount a campaign to influence the FCC vote tomorrow. I know some others have been working on this already. However, we must fiercely oppose H.R. 3458 and any other net neutrality bills that might be introduced later this session. Click here to email your representatives and senators right now in opposition to a government takeover of the Internet in the name of net neutrality.

The Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution to establish a government that would secure our God-given rights. If we are to preserve our right to free speech, enough Americans need to work together to get a majority of constitutionalists (who respect the original intent of the Founders) elected to Congress. Short of that, we'll lose our right of free speech on the Internet and everywhere else as well.


SOURCE:
[url]http://www.jbs.org/privacy-internet-freedom-blog/5525-preserve-internet-freedom-beware-obamas-net-neutrality

If you think there's a difference between private and public at the highest levels of money & power, then you are sadly mistaken. You are peddling dangerous ideas here, ideas that could lead to all of us becoming enslaved. Net Neutrality was established a long time ago, before Barry was on the scene. Bringing him up is disingenuous.

jmdrake
08-12-2010, 01:45 PM
Opposing net neutrality is not enough. We need to propose a solution. A potential solution is deregulating more EM spectrum.

See: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=256904

Stary Hickory
08-12-2010, 03:44 PM
Aw I wish the government would make their own internet and leave ours alone...

Exactly we need to abolish the FCC. There is no limit to bandwidth in a free market, however in a statist controlled market you will be lucky to have any left. The internet works just fine....slow down? Where? I mean if I don't like it I can switch providers.

Galileo Galilei
08-12-2010, 03:55 PM
Exactly we need to abolish the FCC. There is no limit to bandwidth in a free market, however in a statist controlled market you will be lucky to have any left. The internet works just fine....slow down? Where? I mean if I don't like it I can switch providers.

The FCC was unconstitutional from day one, back in the early 1920s. At that time, a constitutional amendment should have been crafted to deal with the new technology.

Dark Aerow
08-12-2010, 04:17 PM
The FCC was unconstitutional from day one, back in the early 1920s. At that time, a constitutional amendment should have been crafted to deal with the new technology.

Actually, the (government) courts were handling the problems associated with the new technologies just fine...we never needed an FCC, new laws or an amendment to the constitution.

We'd be better off abolishing the FCC and having private courts.

Galileo Galilei
08-12-2010, 04:23 PM
Actually, the (government) courts were handling the problems associated with the new technologies just fine...we never needed an FCC, new laws or an amendment to the constitution.

We'd be better off abolishing the FCC and having private courts.

The FCC was a followup to the 17th Amendment, part of the NWO takeover.

Dark Aerow
08-12-2010, 04:42 PM
The FCC was a followup to the 17th Amendment, part of the NWO takeover.

I have no idea if thats even remotely true or not, and it doesn't matter to me either way. I doubt you'll be convincing anyone with that wonderful talking point...no substance...just pure conjecture.

reillym
08-12-2010, 04:50 PM
NN is what we have in the internet right now.

If you think it's working, support NN. If you want the internet to turn into "channels" of websites, like tv, oppose NN.

Simple as that.

Regulation keeps markets healthy. Any sane free market capitalist will agree. The problem lies with too much regulation. And NN is no where near "too much".

M House
08-12-2010, 05:00 PM
WTF the government needs to stay the fuck away from my internets.

jmdrake
08-12-2010, 05:01 PM
NN is what we have in the internet right now.

If you think it's working, support NN. If you want the internet to turn into "channels" of websites, like tv, oppose NN.

Simple as that.

Regulation keeps markets healthy. Any sane free market capitalist will agree. The problem lies with too much regulation. And NN is no where near "too much".

But we have NN right now without regulation. Regulating problems that don't yet exist is what leads to too much regulation. And the reason TV is the way you don't like it is because of the FCC.

Galileo Galilei
08-12-2010, 05:02 PM
I have no idea if thats even remotely true or not, and it doesn't matter to me either way. I doubt you'll be convincing anyone with that wonderful talking point...no substance...just pure conjecture.

By the early 1920s, every Senator had faced a direct election, and over half the Senators pre-1913 had been replaced. That's not conjecture. The Senate would never have approved the FCC as-is prior to 1913.

The FCC was one of the biggest usurpations of power in world history, and is typically ignored by most so-called liberty seekers.

Dark Aerow
08-12-2010, 05:06 PM
By the early 1920s, every Senator had faced a direct election, and over half the Senators pre-1913 had been replaced. That's not conjecture. The Senate would never have approved the FCC as-is prior to 1913.

The FCC was one of the biggest usurpations of power in world history, and is typically ignored by most so-called liberty seekers.

See, thats a much better talking point. You don't sound like a crazy person when you say it like that. You could convince a lot more people by saying it that way.

Matt Collins
08-12-2010, 05:25 PM
YouTube - The Open Internet and Lessons from the Ma Bell Era (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS_udd5K91o&feature=player_embedded)

Galileo Galilei
08-12-2010, 05:32 PM
See, thats a much better talking point. You don't sound like a crazy person when you say it like that. You could convince a lot more people by saying it that way.

There were 96 Senators prior to the 17th Amendment. By 1920, 46 had been replaced.

By 1926, only 21 from pre-1913 remained. Of course, these new Senators were busy confirming new federal judges and Supreme Court judges.

The last pre-17th amendment Senator was gone by the end of WWII.

Matt Collins
02-19-2011, 03:08 PM
Internet Cop (http://reason.com/archives/2011/02/08/internet-cop)

President Obama’s top man at the Federal Communications Commission tries to regulate the Net.

March 2011 Reason Magazine article here:
http://reason.com/archives/2011/02/08/internet-cop