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klamath
10-22-2009, 09:07 AM
This article should piss you off. It did me.
I have added my comments in it.





. AP – FILE - In this May 5, 2009 file photo, Glenn Beck attends the Time 100 Gala, a celebration of TIME Magazine's … .Jim VandeHei, Mike Allen Jim Vandehei, Mike Allen – Thu Oct 22, 5:51 am ET
Many top Republicans are growing worried that the party’s chances for reversing its electoral routs of 2006 and 2008 are being wounded by the flamboyant rhetoric and angry tone of conservative activists and media personalities, according to interviews with GOP officials and operatives.

Congressional leaders talk in private of being boxed in by commentators such as Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh — figures who are wildly popular with the conservative base but wildly controversial among other parts of the electorate, and who have proven records of making life miserable for senators and House members critical of their views or influence.

Some of the leading 2012 candidates are described by operatives as grappling with the same tension. The challenge is to tap into the richest source of energy in the party — the disgust of grass-roots conservative activists with President Barack Obama and their hunger for a full-throated attack on his agenda — without coming off to the broader public as cranky and extreme.

Mitt Romney has purposely kept a lower profile and stuck to speeches on specific policy issues, in part to avoid the early trade-off between placating party activists and appearing presidential. Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, one of the most active potential opponents for Obama in 2012, said that media portrayals of a narrow-minded party could make it harder to attract the middle-of-the-road voters needed to make the GOP a majority party again.

“The commentators are part of the coalition, not the whole coalition,” Pawlenty said in a phone interview. “The party needs to be about addition, not subtraction — but not at the expense of watering down its principles.”

“We need more voices,” said House Minority Whip Eric Cantor of Virginia, one of the party’s up-and-coming leaders. “Our party’s challenge has been that we need to be more inclusive — we need to attract the middle again. ... When one party controls all the levers of power in Washington, they’re going to try and villainize whoever they can on our side. It gives us an opportunity now to try and harness the energy and point it in a positive direction, so that we can attract the middle of the country to the common-sense conservative views that we have been about as a party.”

Political operatives of all stripes like to fancy themselves as coolly controlling practitioners — who can shape public images and direct the activities of party regulars from their perches in Washington.

But the reality of the GOP during the Obama presidency is that the party’s image and priorities are in many ways being imposed on Washington — driven by grass-roots energies that lawmakers and strategists can scarcely control.

At the same time, there are powerful incentives for Washington politicians to play to the crowd and bow to the influence of commentators like Beck, who at the moment is far more famous than any of the GOP’s congressional leaders.

When Republicans such as Rep. Phil Gingrey have complained about these figures in public, most have quickly apologized in the face of outraged phone calls and e-mails from conservative activists.

House and Senate Republicans both seized on the issue of federal funding for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now after Obama critic Andrew Breitbart launched the controversy on his site BigGovernment.com with video of two people posing as a pimp and a prostitute in the group’s offices.

As vividly illustrated by Rep. Joe Wilson, elected Republicans are seeing the benefits — national media attention and fundraising — from embracing the trash-talking style of talk show hosts. Wilson went from being a little-known member of the House minority who had repeatedly failed to get on the A-list committees to a cause célèbre for the right wing because he shouted “You lie” at Obama during a joint session of Congress.

Though he apologized to the president through chief of staff Rahm Emanuel, Wilson moved quickly to exploit his brush with fame, posting Web videos to raise money, appearing on Sean Hannity’s show, getting a coveted invite on “Fox News Sunday” — and even being asked to raise money for some of his conservative colleagues. Most rank-and-file Republicans have to spend hours on the phone pleading for money and relish the chance to be taken seriously by a major Sunday show.

But some Republicans worry the party could squander an opportunity to capitalize on voters’ concerns about Obama and the Democratic Congress because they come off looking shallow, sharply partisan or just plain odd to persuadable voters.

Warning of the influence of the Fox host, who recently accused Obama of racism against whites, George W. Bush White House veteran Peter Wehner wrote last month: “Beck seems to be a roiling mix of fear, resentment and anger — the antithesis of Ronald Reagan.”

Still, these concerns apparently are not powerful enough to prompt most elected Republicans to take public stands against the rhetoric coming from the web of conservative talk show hosts, websites and public activists.

Ed Gillespie, who was counselor to Bush and has started a conservative group called Resurgent Republicans, said his polling shows rising numbers of persuadable voters who are growing disenchanted with the Obama administration’s policies but nevertheless remain invested in the president.

“Our party has to bring those voters along with a critique of policies, not the kind of harsh rhetoric the left used against former President Bush,” Gillespie said.

“Without a good slice of the independents, we are doomed,” said former House Minority Leader Bob Michel (R-Ill.).

The only Republicans standing up to Beck and other conservative activists right now are familiar iconoclasts like Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and New York Times columnist David Brooks — both of whom are distrusted by many Republicans for their frequent departures from conservative orthodoxy.

Graham, earlier this month, mocked Beck’s famous on-air cry and warned that the Fox News talk show host is “not aligned with any party as far as I can tell. He’s aligned with cynicism.” Not long afterward, he was heckled by conservatives at a political event back home.

Brooks, a Republican who has written both favorably and critically about Obama, amplified Graham’s concern with the party’s obsequious relationship with Beck and Limbaugh. “It is a story of remarkable volume and utter weakness,” he wrote. “It is a story as old as ‘The Wizard of Oz,’ of grand illusions and small men behind the curtain.”

Allies of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) have detailed for POLITICO how the former GOP presidential nominee is dismayed with the direction of the party and put an unusual amount of time and effort into trying to push the party in a more centrist direction.

I love how the big loser McCain is the political guru on winning elections.:rolleyes:

All three figures are often irritants to establishment Republicans — but in this case, many Republicans said privately they were in agreement that they need to move beyond the hard-core right to succeed.

But this critique goes to a major fault line within the party. Many activists believe the party lost because McCain failed to present a clear and genuine ideological contrast — and that the party abandoned principles through excessive spending during the Bush years.

The debate means the argument over whether outspoken talk show hosts are reviving a beaten party or trashing its brand is likely to persist through the 2010 midterms and into the 2012 presidential primary.

On the one hand, the GOP seems to be surging a bit as it sharpens its attacks. The party is doing better than it has in recent history when it comes to generic matchups for the 2010 midterms. Beck, other Fox News commentators and Breitbart are clearly landing some punches on Obama.

Their efforts helped stoke turnout at the August town halls, forced the mainstream media and Obama himself to reckon with a scandal at ACORN and incendiary comments and led to the resignation of green jobs czar Van Jones.

On the other hand, the party’s image more broadly remains in the dumps. An ABC News/Washington Post poll this week found that only 20 percent of those surveyed consider themselves Republicans. A larger study by the Pew Research Center this spring captured a similar trend: The share of independents in the electorate is the highest in 70 years (36 percent), while the share of voters who call themselves Republicans is the lowest in 30 years (23 percent, compared with 35 percent for Democrats).
Because of the current party leadership. I like how they are twisting these numbers to make it seem like the the hardline non Obama supporting rank in file are driving the the public away from the party:rolleyes:

Republicans in Congress are even more unpopular than the very unpopular Democrats who are running the House and the Senate. This suggests something has to change for a true GOP resurgence to take place.

Karl Rove, the chief political strategist for Bush, said impressions of the Republican Party as a captive of a fringe reflect “a cynical and dismissive and small-minded view of who the American voter is.

“The question will be whether the Republican candidates next year can talk about a lot of kitchen-table issues and the deficit and spending,” Rove said. “Rush Limbaugh won’t be on the ballot.”

This big tension is playing out in a smaller way in the special election in upstate New York. Congressional leaders are backing moderate Dede Scozzafava, despite her liberal views on abortion and other issues, because they think she has the best chance of winning this swing district. Conservatives, including many who participated in the much-publicized “tea party” protests, are convinced she is insufficiently Republican, so they are throwing their support and money to third-party candidate Doug Hoffman.

This is not a swing district. It is a solid republican district. Obama appointed the current republican to his administration. The remaining Bush party leadership pushed the liberal republican.

The result: Polls show the Republican vote could be so split that a lackluster Democratic candidate could pull off a win. If Republicans blow this race, it will leave the GOP holding only two of New York’s 29 House seats. A decade ago, it had 14, most of which were occupied by Northeast moderates who no longer feel welcome in the party and were voted in by independents who remain very skeptical of the party’s policy solutions.

Jonathan Martin contributed to this story.

This is the second of a two-part look at the marginalization of the GOP. Part I: Obama strategy: Marginalize

eOs
10-22-2009, 09:31 AM
I will not read it because I don't feel like getting pissed off this early in the morning.

klamath
10-22-2009, 09:35 AM
I will not read it because I don't feel like getting pissed off this early in the morning.

hey, that is the whole point of the RP forums.:D

evilfunnystuff
10-22-2009, 09:37 AM
what a waste of a good title

New York For Paul
10-26-2009, 11:08 AM
Well McCain can't really push the party in a centrist direction when McCain moves against the constitution with McCain Feingold. When he puts himself in a campaign position where McCain chooses to be outspent five to one by going for public financing of his campaign, of course he is going to lose.

What is centrist about McCain insulting the voters time and time again?

His best quote, American's won't pick lettuce for fifty dollars an an hour and that is why we need amnesty.

Doesn't sound centrist at all, it sounds loony.

Maybe we should look at the centrist policies of Reagan and limited government. He did win with two landslides by campaigning as a conservative who was trying to downsize government.

What is centrist in America, small limited government, low taxes, a cautious foreign policy and a thriving free enterprise system.

Pauls' Revere
10-26-2009, 11:25 AM
I will not read it because I don't feel like getting pissed off this early in the morning.

I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna take this anymore!

YouTube - Mad As Hell ... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMBZDwf9dok)

We are the energy.

:mad:
:mad:

Oyate
10-26-2009, 11:30 AM
Well McCain can't really push the party in a centrist direction when McCain moves against the constitution with McCain Feingold. When he puts himself in a campaign position where McCain chooses to be outspent five to one by going for public financing of his campaign, of course he is going to lose.

His manifold earlier strategies will prevent him from representing us. I don't think he sells outside of the Old Guard GOP. And whom among us wants centrist policy?


What is centrist about McCain insulting the voters time and time again?

Why is centrist any kind of objective?


His best quote, American's won't pick lettuce for fifty dollars an an hour and that is why we need amnesty.

I'll never forget that one.


Doesn't sound centrist at all, it sounds loony.

That I'll agree with.


Maybe we should look at the centrist policies of Reagan and limited government. He did win with two landslides by campaigning as a conservative who was trying to downsize government.

Or the centrist policies of GWB, GB or Clinton? We shouldn't because we know they never deliver on behalf of freedom, only for corporate power.


What is centrist in America, small limited government, low taxes, a cautious foreign policy and a thriving free enterprise system.

A little thing called the national elections prove you wrong here. Centrism now embraces socialism as neatly as our past....oh, dozen or so presidents. Who in here ever inclined us to be centrist before?

HOLLYWOOD
10-26-2009, 12:34 PM
The POLITICO is a Lefty Slanted media outlet... so is the Washington Post...

Polls are BS...


The more Lindsey Graham opens his mouth the more he sticks his foot in. He's going to make his staffers and paid consultants busy cleaning up the Closet Clowns Comments.

McCain, beside being a corrupt moron, is a liberal in GOP RINO clothing.


The Whores and Fascists in DC, won't allow 'Downsizing .Gov' give up Money and Power? HAH!

The more Lindsey Graham opens his mouth the more he sticks his foot in. He's going to make his staffers and paid consultants busy cleaning up the Closet Clowns Comments.

Dichonomy of US government... this, becoming a mixing pot of Centrist, Socicalist, Communist, Fascist, & Marxist pieces. I wonder who they favor?

this is a good read: Hegelian Dialectic

http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/dialectic.htm


Australian Fabian Society
http://www.fabian.org.au/1.asp

New York For Paul
10-26-2009, 12:58 PM
Might point is that centrist can be defined many ways. I would argue that libertarian/conservative values are quite centrist and the liberals are trying to redine centrist as socialism like you say.

Pericles
10-26-2009, 01:00 PM
How much of a "centrist" was Ronald Reagan. The GOP has forgotten how to win. Why would "centrists" vote for fake Democrats when they can have the real thing?

Imperial
10-26-2009, 01:07 PM
The POLITICO is a Lefty Slanted media outlet... so is the Washington Post...


Are you kidding me? The WaPo generally leans neo-con. The Politico is one of the best media sources for us. They have done multiple stories on HR 1207, they report Ron Paul's view on things alot, and they talk about the conservative vs establishment conflict.

I call this fair reporting. Of course a conservative uprising hurts the GOP's chances in 2010. If you are looking for only a utopian or ideal outcome in the short-term for the GOP by embracing conservatarianism immediately you aren't looking in the real-world.

Peace&Freedom
10-26-2009, 01:28 PM
In the real world, the GOP is using the 'real world, gotta go with centrists' canard to put a lousy Republican in a safe Republican seat. The 23rd District is the easiest place to put a more conservative candidate in, yet their leadership pushes left regardless. Reason one zillion and two why the GOP cannot be saved.

The post-Paul 2008 movement approach is best---that is, run the most pro-liberty person in nomination races of the party the district leans towards, instead of entrusting the Republicans anymore. In the 23rd District, run a Ron Paul Republican for the GOP nomination. In the 27 Democratic leaning districts, run Ron Paul Democrats (ala Conley). No more alliances with the big-party, twin bedmates of disaster---instead, just use them to leverage our people into office.

The GOP real world needs to be replaced by the new reality, namely that what matters is what helps or hurts the Pro-Liberty candidates' chances in 2010 and beyond, not what helps or hurts Dem/Repubs. No more short-term dreaming with the GOP, a dream that has been failing for 80 years.

jmdrake
10-26-2009, 02:32 PM
In the real world, the GOP is using the 'real world, gotta go with centrists' canard to put a lousy Republican in a safe Republican seat. The 23rd District is the easiest place to put a more conservative candidate in, yet their leadership pushes left regardless. Reason one zillion and two why the GOP cannot be saved.

The post-Paul 2008 movement approach is best---that is, run the most pro-liberty person in nomination races of the party the district leans towards, instead of entrusting the Republicans anymore. In the 23rd District, run a Ron Paul Republican for the GOP nomination. In the 27 Democratic leaning districts, run Ron Paul Democrats (ala Conley). No more alliances with the big-party, twin bedmates of disaster---instead, just use them to leverage our people into office.

The GOP real world needs to be replaced by the new reality, namely that what matters is what helps or hurts the Pro-Liberty candidates' chances in 2010 and beyond, not what helps or hurts Dem/Repubs. No more short-term dreaming with the GOP, a dream that has been failing for 80 years.

Awesome idea!