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clb09
10-20-2009, 11:01 AM
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16500


Democrat President John F. Kennedy is lauded as a proponent of civil rights. However, Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil Rights Act while he was a senator, as did Democrat Sen. Al Gore Sr. And after he became President, Kennedy was opposed to the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King that was organized by A. Phillip Randolph, who was a black Republican. President Kennedy, through his brother Atty. Gen. Robert Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI on suspicion of being a Communist in order to undermine Dr. King.

In March of 1968, while referring to Dr. King's leaving Memphis, Tenn., after riots broke out where a teenager was killed, Democrat Sen. Robert Byrd (W.Va.), a former member of the Ku Klux Klan, called Dr. King a "trouble-maker" who starts trouble, but runs like a coward after trouble is ignited. A few weeks later, Dr. King returned to Memphis and was assassinated on April 4, 1968.

http://photos.state.gov/galleries/usinfo-photo/39/civil_rights_07/009-CivilRights.jpg

sofia
10-20-2009, 11:04 AM
ML King was a sexual pervert and a communist. Biggest fraud of the 20th century.

pcosmar
10-20-2009, 11:11 AM
The best thing that came out of that era was that COINTELPRO was exposed.
http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/churchfinalreportIIIb.htm
http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/cointel.htm
Sadly, most ignore the implications.
Even worse is that the smears and disinformation that was created by the Government is still believed today.

UnReconstructed
10-20-2009, 11:11 AM
thats what they said about all the "rebel rousers" back then

abe lincoln was a republican too

clb09
10-20-2009, 11:13 AM
ML King was a sexual pervert and a communist. Biggest fraud of the 20th century.

A bigger fraud than Ronald Wilson Reagan?

I don't think so!

Liberty Star
10-20-2009, 11:15 AM
So were Dick Cheney and Scooter Libby and W Bush and his daddy and Lindseay Graham and McCain LOL

What does that prove?

Not much.

sofia
10-20-2009, 11:17 AM
A bigger fraud than Ronald Wilson Reagan?

I don't think so!

According to King's associate - Ralph Abernathy -...the "reverend" King enjoyed having rough sex with white prostitutes and screaming..."I'm fu**ng for the Lord."

He was also exposed as a plagiarist.

sofia
10-20-2009, 11:18 AM
So were Dick Cheney and Scooter Libby and W Bush and his daddy and Lindseay Graham and McCain LOL

What does that prove?

Not much.

They dont have Federal holidays and huge statues and streets named after them.

erowe1
10-20-2009, 11:20 AM
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16500



http://photos.state.gov/galleries/usinfo-photo/39/civil_rights_07/009-CivilRights.jpg

Shouldn't we be extolling the Democrats for standing up against the Civil Rights Act?

UnReconstructed
10-20-2009, 11:30 AM
would you outlaw rough sex with white prostitutes? if you outlaw rough sex with white prostitutes then only outlaws will have rough sex with white prostitutes.

pcosmar
10-20-2009, 11:33 AM
MAJOR FINDING


The Committee finds that covert action programs have been used to disrupt the lawful political activities of individual Americans and groups and to discredit them, using dangerous and degrading tactics which are abhorrent in a free and decent society.

Subfindings

(a) Although the claimed purposes of these action programs were to protect the national security and to prevent violence, many of the victims were concededly nonviolent, were not controlled by a foreign power, and posed no threat to the national security.

(b) The acts taken interfered with the First Amendment rights of citizens. They were explicitly intended to deter citizens from joining groups, "neutralize" those who were already members, and prevent or inhibit the expression of ideas.

(c) The tactics used against Americans often risked and sometimes caused serious emotional, economic, or physical damage. Actions were taken which were designed to break up marriages, terminate funding or employment, and encourage gang warfare between violent rival groups. Due process of law forbids the use of such covert tactics, whether the victims are innocent law-abiding citizens or members of groups suspected of involvement in violence.

(d) The sustained use of such tactics by the FBI in an attempt to destroy Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., violated the law and fundamental human decency.


MAJOR FINDING


The Committee finds that information has been collected and disseminated in order to serve the purely political interests of an intelligence agency or the administration, and to influence social policy and political action.

Subfindings

(a) White House officials have requested and obtained politically useful information from the FBI, including information on the activities of political opponents or critics.

(b) In some cases, political or personal information was not specifically requested, but was nevertheless collected and disseminated to administration officials as part of investigations they had requested. Neither the FBI nor the recipients differentiated in these cases between national security or law enforcement information and purely political intelligence.

(c) The FBI has also volunteered information to Presidents and their staffs, without having been asked for it, sometimes apparently to curry favor with the current administration. Similarly, the FBI has assembled intelligence on its critics and on political figures it believed might influence public attitudes or Congressional support.

(d) The FBI has also used intelligence as a vehicle for covert efforts to influence social policy and political action.


MAJOR FINDING


The intelligence community has employed surreptitious collection techniques -- mail opening, surreptitious entries, informants, and "traditional'' and highly sophisticated forms of electronic surveillance -- to achieve its overly broad intelligence targeting and collection objectives. Although there are circumstances where these techniques, if properly controlled, are legal and appropriate, the Committee finds that their very nature makes them a threat to the personal privacy and Constitutionally protected activities of both the targets and of persons who communicate with or associate with the targets. The dangers inherent in the use of these techniques have been compounded by the lack of adequate standards limiting their use and by the absence of review by neutral authorities outside the intelligence agencies. As a consequence, these techniques have collected enormous amounts of personal and political information serving no legitimate governmental interest.

Subfindings

(a) Given the highly intrusive nature of these techniques, the legal standards and procedures regulating their use have been insufficient. There have been no statutory controls on the use of informants; there have been gaps and exceptions in the law of electronic surveillance; and the legal prohibitions against warrantless mail opening and surreptitious entries have been ignored.

(b) In addition to providing the means by which the Government can collect too much information about too many people, certain techniques have their own peculiar dangers:

(i) Informants have provoked and participated in violence and other illegal activities in order to maintain their cover, and they have obtained membership lists and other private documents.

(ii) Scientific and technological advances have rendered traditional controls on electronic surveillance obsolete and have made it more difficult to limit intrusions. Because of the nature of wiretaps, microphones and other sophisticated electronic techniques, it has not always been possible to restrict the monitoring of communications to the persons being investigated.

(c) The imprecision and manipulation of labels such as "national security," "domestic security," "subversive activities," and "foreign intelligence" have led to unjustified use of these techniques.

I find this stuff fascinating reading.

dannno
10-20-2009, 11:35 AM
ML King was a sexual pervert and a communist. Biggest fraud of the 20th century.

No, you see, you completely missed the point of the OP...

The FBI made up all that stuff about Communism and sexual perversion to discredit King. The reason you hold your opinion of him is because you listened to government FBI propaganda. Then the government assassinated him. He was a Republican, he was on our side. He believed in freedom.

You need to open your mind a bit..

dannno
10-20-2009, 11:38 AM
So were Dick Cheney and Scooter Libby and W Bush and his daddy and Lindseay Graham and McCain LOL

What does that prove?

Not much.

There is another thread making the rounds right now where the voters decided to get rid of political parties. Obama is speaking out against it and the Feds are overturning the decision because they are saying that blacks need black Democrats to vote for because that is who they want to vote for. It's like mind control or something. I hate the elite.

qaxn
10-20-2009, 01:42 PM
hahahahahha oh my.
see the speeches "If the Negro Wins, Labor Wins," "Where Do We Go From Here?," or basically anything said in the run up to the poor people's campaign.
dude was so socialist he makes fdr look like goldwater.

clb09
10-20-2009, 02:08 PM
hahahahahha oh my.
see the speeches "If the Negro Wins, Labor Wins," "Where Do We Go From Here?," or basically anything said in the run up to the poor people's campaign.
dude was so socialist he makes fdr look like goldwater.

It's obvious Dr. King was not a Ron Paul republican.

But he fought the government...and won.

I respect that.

Not all of our heroes can be Ron Paul.

It would be nice but we need to cultivate our leaders from the stock we are given.

Vessol
10-20-2009, 03:01 PM
I don't agree with all of Dr. Kings views and opinions, but I do think he was a major campaigner for equal rights in America and admire him greatly.

Ghandi liked giving enemas to young girls and was a huge racist, but people still admire him.

Mother Terresa was a sadist who thought physical suffering was the only way to God, but people still admire her.

ForLiberty-RonPaul
10-20-2009, 03:22 PM
I absolutely admire Dr. King; even though he was a socialist, even though he cheated on his wife (that wasn't cointelpro, read his 'autobiography'); even though he was a fundamentalist Christian. I admire him because he saw injustice and made it his life's work to fight that injustice no matter the cost to him or his family. He wanted freedom and he never fired a shot to get it. What made him an enemy of the state was not his stance on civil rights, but near the end of his life when he began to speak out against the war in Vietnam.

teamrican1
10-20-2009, 07:22 PM
He was a Republican, he was on our side. He believed in freedom.

You need to open your mind a bit..


King despised Goldwater, who was the only Republican of that era who was worth a damn. King's "side" was the side of socialism and government. Admire him as a practitioner of civil disobedience, but when it comes to political philosophy, King was a naive fool at best and downright evil at worst. Malcom X was far closer to being on "our side" and it is no coincidence that government has used their propaganda to vilify him while lionizing the appeaser King.

ForLiberty-RonPaul
10-20-2009, 07:25 PM
King despised Goldwater, who was the only Republican of that era who was worth a damn. King's "side" was the side of socialism and government. Admire him as a practitioner of civil disobedience, but when it comes to political philosophy, King was a naive fool at best and downright evil at worst. Malcom X was far closer to being on "our side" and it is no coincidence that government has used their propaganda to vilify him while lionizing the appeaser King.

unfortunately, this is true. King saw Goldwater and free markets as a serious threat to Americans. This feeling still rings with prominent voices today like Dr. Cornel West.

sofia
10-20-2009, 07:29 PM
"We see dangerous signs of Hitlerism in the Goldwater campaign."

-Martin Luther King 1964.

P.S.....For you young pups out there, Barry Goldwater was the Ron Paul of the 1960's......screw ml king

pcosmar
10-20-2009, 07:37 PM
I believe, if I am not mistaken., that Goldwater opposed forced integration. Equal rights is one thing, Forced integration/Forced associations have harmed relations in this country.
It has been the cause of poor race relations ever since.

Equal rights is one thing, denying rights is another.

Bucjason
10-21-2009, 06:45 AM
I already knew King was a registered Republican ... doesn't really matter, but it is funny how the black Democrat loyalists try to bury this historic fact...

SelfTaught
10-21-2009, 06:51 AM
I think people give way to much credit to MLK and the whole civil rights movement. Thomas Sowell would argue that black people were making more progress in the five years preceding the civil rights movement than in the five years after.

winston_blade
10-21-2009, 07:35 AM
King despised Goldwater, who was the only Republican of that era who was worth a damn. King's "side" was the side of socialism and government. Admire him as a practitioner of civil disobedience, but when it comes to political philosophy, King was a naive fool at best and downright evil at worst. Malcom X was far closer to being on "our side" and it is no coincidence that government has used their propaganda to vilify him while lionizing the appeaser King.

I don't know much about Malcolm X. How was he close to being on our side though?

Todd
10-21-2009, 08:07 AM
There is another thread making the rounds right now where the voters decided to get rid of political parties. Obama is speaking out against it and the Feds are overturning the decision because they are saying that blacks need black Democrats to vote for because that is who they want to vote for. It's like mind control or something. I hate the elite.

I won't go as far as to call King communist, but I'll wager he wasn't for freedom the way most of us would see it.

Jeff Cohen and Norman Solomon wrote and excellent piece a decade or so ago after watching alot of the video footage at the end of King's life. It is mostly ignored by the MSM and King apologists.

http://www.creators.com/opinion/norman-solomon/the-martin-luther-king-you-still-don-t-see-on-tv.html


In his last months, King was organizing the most militant project of his life: the Poor People's Campaign. He crisscrossed the country to assemble "a multiracial army of the poor" that would descend on Washington — engaging in nonviolent civil disobedience at the Capitol, if need be — until Congress enacted a poor people's bill of rights.



King's economic bill of rights called for massive government jobs programs to rebuild America's cities. He saw a crying need to confront a Congress that had demonstrated its "hostility to the poor" — appropriating "military funds with alacrity and generosity," but providing "poverty funds with miserliness."

jmdrake
10-21-2009, 10:29 AM
unfortunately, this is true. King saw Goldwater and free markets as a serious threat to Americans. This feeling still rings with prominent voices today like Dr. Cornel West.

Cornel West recently attacked Obama's finance team as being "neoliberals controlled by WallStreet" and pointed out the fact that the bailouts are not capitalism because businesses have to be allowed to fail in a free market. We do ourselves a disservice when we kick everyone that isn't a Mises clone.

yokna7
10-21-2009, 11:24 AM
Does anyone have a good link to a thorough explanation as to why MLK supported JFK in the election? I have heard that his father cut a deal with JFK to get MLK out of jail.

ForLiberty-RonPaul
10-21-2009, 11:29 AM
Does anyone have a good link to a thorough explanation as to why MLK supported JFK in the election? I have heard that his father cut a deal with JFK to get MLK out of jail.

this is talked about in "The Kennedy Men (http://www.amazon.com/Kennedy-Men-1901-1963-Laurence-Leamer/dp/0688163157)" by Laurence Learner.

For the life of me I can't remember. I believe there was a deal. JFK got MLK out of jail in hopes that MLK would support him in the upcoming election or something.

h ttp://www.taylormarsh.com/2009/01/19/dr-martin-luther-king-and-john-f-kennedy/

tmosley
10-21-2009, 11:40 AM
According to King's associate - Ralph Abernathy -...the "reverend" King enjoyed having rough sex with white prostitutes and screaming..."I'm fu**ng for the Lord."

He was also exposed as a plagiarist.

Therefore black people have no rights?

I don't really care about what a person does on their own time. He was a great man who expanded civil liberties. No-one can legitimately fault him for his works.

yokna7
10-21-2009, 11:42 AM
this is talked about in "The Kennedy Men (http://www.amazon.com/Kennedy-Men-1901-1963-Laurence-Leamer/dp/0688163157)" by Laurence Learner.

For the life of me I can't remember. I believe there was a deal. JFK got MLK out of jail in hopes that MLK would support him in the upcoming election or something.

h ttp://www.taylormarsh.com/2009/01/19/dr-martin-luther-king-and-john-f-kennedy/

Thanks.

jmdrake
10-21-2009, 11:46 AM
Therefore black people have no rights?

I don't really care about what a person does on their own time. He was a great man who expanded civil liberties. No-one can legitimately fault him for his works.

+1776! I've ignored MLK smear campaigns just like I ignored Ron Paul smear campaigns.

sofia
10-21-2009, 11:47 AM
Therefore black people have no rights?

I don't really care about what a person does on their own time. He was a great man who expanded civil liberties. No-one can legitimately fault him for his works.

ML King did not win any "rights" for blacks. His movement merely destroyed rights for everyone.

For example, the "Voting Rights" Act gave illilerates the "right to vote."...Voting is not a universal right...It is a privilege. Setting basic criteria such as literacy requirement is no different than setting an age requirement. Allowing the illiterate to vote was a statist initiative to empower socialism. Marx himseelf advocated universal voting.

The "Civil Rights" Act took away a business owner's right to hire whoever he wishes to hire. Although it's morally wrong to deny a qualified man a job on the basis of his race....it is tyrannical for the state to dictate to a white, or a black business owner, how he should conduct his business. "Civil Rights" destryed property rights.

If a black business owner denied me a job because I was white...I might hate him for it....but I would 100% defend his right to do so....HIS PROPERTY...HIS CHOICE!

jmdrake
10-21-2009, 11:55 AM
ML King did not win any "rights" for blacks. His movement merely destroyed rights for everyone.

For example, the "Voting Rights" Act gave illilerates the "right to vote."...Voting is not a universal right...It is a privilege. Setting basic criteria such as literacy
requirement is no different than setting an age requirement.


It was well documented that the literacy requirement was being enforced in a selective and discriminatory way. Illiterate whites were "passing" the tests and college educated blacks (like Rosa Parks) were "failing".



The "Civil Rights" Act took away a business owner's right to hire whoever he wishes to hire. Although it's morally wrong to deny a qualified man a job on the basis of his race....it is tyrannical for the state to dictate to a white, or a black business owner, how he should conduct his business. "Civil Rights" destryed property rights.

If a black business owner denied me a job because I was white...I might hate him for it....but I would 100% defend his right to do so....HIS PROPERTY...HIS CHOICE!

That's an arguable point. But it doesn't detract from the fact that segregation laws took away property rights too. They forced businesses that wanted to treat blacks fairly not to do so. Also segregated government facilities are not justified from a property rights point of view since they are paid for by everybody's property. It's extremist views such as yours that keeps blacks out of the liberty movement. You may can argue that the civil rights act went to far, but claiming there was no justification for the civil rights movement is just ridiculous.

sofia
10-21-2009, 12:12 PM
It's extremist views such as yours that keeps blacks out of the liberty movement. You may can argue that the civil rights act went to far, but claiming there was no justification for the civil rights movement is just ridiculous.

Wrong.....it is the brainwashing of blacks by the likes of ML King and Al Sharpton that keeps them away from the liberty movem,ent.

You're missing the big picture....which is that the Marxists (like King) don't give a rat's ass about blacks. They just used them to further their agenda. If some good things did come out of their movement...theye were only side effects and not the main agenda.

The day is upon us where the massive "Civil Rights / Voting Rights" blocks of black and Mexican voters, coupled with the helplessly liberal whites... are going to vote you into socialist slavery and world government.

Thank you ML King!

jmdrake
10-21-2009, 12:24 PM
Wrong.....it is the brainwashing of blacks by the likes of ML King and Al Sharpton that keeps them away from the liberty movem,ent.

:rolleyes: I actually know people that lived through the period. It's not "brainwashing". It's facts. Facts that you haven't even attempted to refute.



You're missing the big picture....which is that the Marxists (like King) don't give a rat's ass about blacks. They just used them to further their agenda. If some good things did come out of their movement...theye were only side effects and not the main agenda.


You're a moron. Go read the writings of James Meredith. He's about as anti marxist as you can get. He fell out with MLK. But he never took the ridiculous position that the civil rights movement was a hoax. He took a bullet for it after all while marching across Mississippi by his lonesome in order to desegregate Old Miss.

Regards,

John M. Drake

sofia
10-21-2009, 12:38 PM
:rolleyes: I actually know people that lived through the period. It's not "brainwashing". It's facts. Facts that you haven't even attempted to refute.



You're a moron. Go read the writings of James Meredith. He's about as anti marxist as you can get. He fell out with MLK. But he never took the ridiculous position that the civil rights movement was a hoax. He took a bullet for it after all while marching across Mississippi by his lonesome in order to desegregate Old Miss.

Regards,

John M. Drake

The Civil Rights movement, much like the Environmentalist movement, started out with good intentions and good people (like Meredith)....but both movments were HIJACKED by leftists and globalists.

Thats the distinction that you refuse to see, because you've been taught to worship ML King and are too damn proud to admit that you were taken in by his phony act.

Go learn about Stanley Levinson (ML Kings speechwriter and handler). It should open your eyes.

You're a fool if you think James Meredith and ML King stood for the same things. Meredith was a Patriot (who forgave and endorsed David Duke)

ML King on the other hand was a COMMUNIST agent.

jmdrake
10-21-2009, 12:56 PM
The Civil Rights movement, much like the Environmentalist movement, started out with good intentions and good people (like Meredith)....but both movments were HIJACKED by leftists and globalists.

Thats the distinction that you refuse to see, because you've been taught to worship ML King and are too damn proud to admit that you were taken in by his phony act.

Go learn about Stanley Levinson (ML Kings speechwriter and handler). It should open your eyes.

You're a fool if you think James Meredith and ML King stood for the same things. Meredith was a Patriot (who forgave and endorsed David Duke)

ML King on the other hand was a COMMUNIST agent.

Oh puleeze! You are a transparent liar and an agent looking to undermine the RP movement from within. At first you claim there was no legitimate civil rights movement and even basic things like voting rights were all fake and once I prove you wrong you want to talk about it "beginning with good intentions". Someone doesn't have to be a fan of MLK to know that you're full of it.

dannno
10-21-2009, 01:06 PM
I don't know much about Malcolm X. How was he close to being on our side though?

He was against the NWO and the international bankers.. He just used slightly different language..

He was also anti-Zionist, which many RP supporters are also..

KAYA
10-21-2009, 01:12 PM
According to King's associate - Ralph Abernathy -...the "reverend" King enjoyed having rough sex with white prostitutes and screaming..."I'm fu**ng for the Lord."

He was also exposed as a plagiarist.

Don't you have a Klan meeting to attend? Or a cross that needs lighting?

sofia
10-21-2009, 01:21 PM
Oh puleeze! You are a transparent liar and an agent looking to undermine the RP movement from within. At first you claim there was no legitimate civil rights movement and even basic things like voting rights were all fake and once I prove you wrong you want to talk about it "beginning with good intentions". Someone doesn't have to be a fan of MLK to know that you're full of it.

How did you "prove me wrong".....


Repeating the cliches that your teachers drilled into your head...and using useless terminology like "it's been well documented that educated blacks could not vote" proves nothing....absolute BS. You should go sign up for ACORN as a voting drive agent if you think people with 2nd grade reading levels should be voting us into socialism.

Sorry to tear down your role model, but dont get angry with me for exposing the fraud that is ML King.

Your worship of this degenerate Marxist liar ML King reminds me of the Obots that get thrills up and down their legs when they hear Obama speak. As soon as your tear down their hero, they call u a "racist." You are no different.

It is blind worship of a fraud that you refuse to examine more closely.

Barry Goldwater was an ideological CLONE of Ron Paul. A man of honor, principle, and intellect....And your beloved ML King compared him to a Nazi. If King were alive today he would say the same thing about Ron Paul.

jmdrake
10-21-2009, 01:31 PM
How did you "prove me wrong".....


By pointing out the legitimacy of the fight for voting rights. You ignored my point, then switched gears to "The civil rights movement was good but just co-opted".



Repeating the cliches that your teachers drilled into your head...and using useless terminology like "it's been well documented that educated blacks could not vote" proves nothing....absolute BS. You should go sign up for ACORN as a voting drive agent if you think people with 2nd grade reading levels should be voting us into socialism.


If you think I learned about James Meredith from some teacher "drilling it into my head" than you are too stupid to vote yourself. :rolleyes:

As for the voting rights info, I know that from talking to people who lived it. Plus it's part of the historical record. But hey, why don't you just go ask James Meredith why he bothered walking across Mississippi if he already had all of his rights like you falsely claimed in your first post? You're trying to have it both ways and you've been busted.



Sorry to tear down your role model, but dont get angry with me for exposing the fraud that is ML King.


Note I've not said anything about MLK in the entire thread jackass. I've simply pointed out the blatant inconsistency in your moronic argument. Either there was a legitimate civil rights movement or there wasn't one. You've jumped from claiming that there wasn't, to grudgingly admitting that there was, to claiming once again that there wasn't. Make up your mind.

sofia
10-21-2009, 01:48 PM
By pointing out the legitimacy of the fight for voting rights. You ignored my point, then switched gears to "The civil rights movement was good but just co-opted".

Note I've not said anything about MLK in the entire thread jackass. I've simply pointed out the blatant inconsistency in your moronic argument. Either there was a legitimate civil rights movement or there wasn't one. You've jumped from claiming that there wasn't, to grudgingly admitting that there was, to claiming once again that there wasn't. Make up your mind.

It started good...it turned to communist shit. Where's the "inconsistency?"

I judge the movement based on what it became..not on what it started as

illiterates got voting rights and we are stuck with socialism.

a tall price to pay just so that communist agent Rosa Parks could sit in the front of the bus.

jmdrake
10-21-2009, 01:59 PM
It started good...it turned to communist shit. Where's the "inconsistency?"


And voting rights are "communist shit"? :rolleyes: Voting rights were at the start of the civil rights movement. In fact they pre dated it.



I judge the movement based on what it became..not on what it started as

illiterates got voting rights and we are stuck with socialism.


Illiterates had voting rights all along. At least when they were white. Also poll taxes were selectively enforced.



a tall price to pay just so that communist agent Rosa Parks could sit in the front of the bus.

I'm sure you'd love to see all blacks communist or otherwise forced to the back again.

winston_blade
10-21-2009, 02:00 PM
He was against the NWO and the international bankers.. He just used slightly different language..

He was also anti-Zionist, which many RP supporters are also..

That's interesting. Thanks a bunch:)

sofia
10-21-2009, 02:13 PM
[QUOTE=jmdrake;2377964]

Illiterates had voting rights all along. At least when they were white. Also poll taxes were selectively enforced.



QUOTE]

If in fact illiterate whites had voting rights...the solution should not have been to add illiterate blacks to the rolls. NO ILLITERATES SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO VOTE!
PERIOD!

I would also reinstitute a moderate poll tax for EVERYBODY. That would kill voter fraud and brainwashed bloc voting. If someone cant put $20 skin in the game, then he's not serious.

erowe1
10-21-2009, 02:21 PM
If we're going to get into fantasies about going back to some system that's never going to happen again where a test is required for voting, then I would prefer a law that excludes the highly educated and highly intelligent from voting, rather than one that excludes the lowly educated and lowly intelligent. I think the end results would be much better that way.

sofia
10-21-2009, 02:23 PM
If we're going to get into fantasies about going back to some system that's never going to happen again where a test is required for voting, then I would prefer a law that excludes the highly educated and highly intelligent from voting, rather than one that excludes the lowly educated and lowly intelligent. I think the end results would be much better that way.

lol....

and if they hold a degree from Harvard......they should definitely be banned

pcosmar
10-21-2009, 02:29 PM
Wow.
Witness the effectiveness of COINTELPRO.
While I disagree with forced integration, I am amazed at how well the smear campaign worked.
Heck, it is still being used today against Dr. Paul and the Patriot Movement.

The stories of Communism were planted by and investigated by the FBI (and possibly others)
But when they were investigated and questioned themselves they could not produce one piece of Factual Evidence that King or those involved were communists.

Read the damn reports.


MAJOR FINDING


The Committee finds that covert action programs have been used to disrupt the lawful political activities of individual Americans and groups and to discredit them, using dangerous and degrading tactics which are abhorrent in a free and decent society.

Subfindings

(a) Although the claimed purposes of these action programs were to protect the national security and to prevent violence, many of the victims were concededly nonviolent, were not controlled by a foreign power, and posed no threat to the national security.

(b) The acts taken interfered with the First Amendment rights of citizens. They were explicitly intended to deter citizens from joining groups, "neutralize" those who were already members, and prevent or inhibit the expression of ideas.

(c) The tactics used against Americans often risked and sometimes caused serious emotional, economic, or physical damage. Actions were taken which were designed to break up marriages, terminate funding or employment, and encourage gang warfare between violent rival groups. Due process of law forbids the use of such covert tactics, whether the victims are innocent law-abiding citizens or members of groups suspected of involvement in violence.

(d) The sustained use of such tactics by the FBI in an attempt to destroy Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., violated the law and fundamental human decency.


MAJOR FINDING


The Committee finds that information has been collected and disseminated in order to serve the purely political interests of an intelligence agency or the administration, and to influence social policy and political action.

Subfindings

(a) White House officials have requested and obtained politically useful information from the FBI, including information on the activities of political opponents or critics.

(b) In some cases, political or personal information was not specifically requested, but was nevertheless collected and disseminated to administration officials as part of investigations they had requested. Neither the FBI nor the recipients differentiated in these cases between national security or law enforcement information and purely political intelligence.

(c) The FBI has also volunteered information to Presidents and their staffs, without having been asked for it, sometimes apparently to curry favor with the current administration. Similarly, the FBI has assembled intelligence on its critics and on political figures it believed might influence public attitudes or Congressional support.

(d) The FBI has also used intelligence as a vehicle for covert efforts to influence social policy and political action.


MAJOR FINDING


The intelligence community has employed surreptitious collection techniques -- mail opening, surreptitious entries, informants, and "traditional'' and highly sophisticated forms of electronic surveillance -- to achieve its overly broad intelligence targeting and collection objectives. Although there are circumstances where these techniques, if properly controlled, are legal and appropriate, the Committee finds that their very nature makes them a threat to the personal privacy and Constitutionally protected activities of both the targets and of persons who communicate with or associate with the targets. The dangers inherent in the use of these techniques have been compounded by the lack of adequate standards limiting their use and by the absence of review by neutral authorities outside the intelligence agencies. As a consequence, these techniques have collected enormous amounts of personal and political information serving no legitimate governmental interest.

Subfindings

(a) Given the highly intrusive nature of these techniques, the legal standards and procedures regulating their use have been insufficient. There have been no statutory controls on the use of informants; there have been gaps and exceptions in the law of electronic surveillance; and the legal prohibitions against warrantless mail opening and surreptitious entries have been ignored.

(b) In addition to providing the means by which the Government can collect too much information about too many people, certain techniques have their own peculiar dangers:

(i) Informants have provoked and participated in violence and other illegal activities in order to maintain their cover, and they have obtained membership lists and other private documents.

(ii) Scientific and technological advances have rendered traditional controls on electronic surveillance obsolete and have made it more difficult to limit intrusions. Because of the nature of wiretaps, microphones and other sophisticated electronic techniques, it has not always been possible to restrict the monitoring of communications to the persons being investigated.

(c) The imprecision and manipulation of labels such as "national security," "domestic security," "subversive activities," and "foreign intelligence" have led to unjustified use of these techniques.

I find this stuff fascinating reading.

jmdrake
10-21-2009, 02:41 PM
If in fact illiterate whites had voting rights...the solution should not have been to add illiterate blacks to the rolls. NO ILLITERATES SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO VOTE!
PERIOD!


Please research the term "grandfather clause" and get back with us.



I would also reinstitute a moderate poll tax for EVERYBODY. That would kill voter fraud and brainwashed bloc voting. If someone cant put $20 skin in the game, then he's not serious.

:rolleyes: Ironic coming from someone in a movement that is generally against taxation in a country who's revolutionary motto was "no taxation without representation". But why limit it to $20? Why not $200? Or $2000? If you're going to go down the road that you have to let the government steal from you before you vote then why stop at a nominal figure?

Anyway, the bottom line is that all of these provisions were specifically designed to prevent blacks from voting while allowing whites under similar circumstances to vote. Again research the term "grandfather clause".

jmdrake
10-21-2009, 02:42 PM
Wow.
Witness the effectiveness of COINTELPRO.
While I disagree with forced integration, I am amazed at how well the smear campaign worked.
Heck, it is still being used today against Dr. Paul and the Patriot Movement.

The stories of Communism were planted by and investigated by the FBI (and possibly others)
But when they were investigated and questioned themselves they could not produce one piece of Factual Evidence that King of those involved were communists.

Read the damn reports.







I find this stuff fascinating reading.

I've read. Thanks for re-posting. Its interesting how some people give such great credence to propaganda coming from the same source when it's directed against someone they don't like. :rolleyes:

pcosmar
10-21-2009, 02:51 PM
I've read. Thanks for re-posting. Its interesting how some people give such great credence to propaganda coming from the same source when it's directed against someone they don't like. :rolleyes:


I find this stuff fascinating reading.

I look at this not specifically because of King, or the movement at the time.

I observe the Method of Operation.
Mine is a Tactical observation.

It can still be seen today.