Justice Dept Concludes Blacks Too Stupid To Vote Right Unless "Democrat" Is On Ballot

[angelatc]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/20/justice-dept-blocks-ncs-nonpartisan-vote/?source=newsletter_must-read-stories-today_photo_feature

Want to run your elections without party monikers attached? No way, says the Fed:


The Justice Department's ruling, which affects races for City Council and mayor, went so far as to say partisan elections are needed so that black voters can elect their "candidates of choice" - identified by the department as those who are Democrats and almost exclusively black.


The measure appeared to have broad support among both white and black voters, as it won a majority in seven of the city's nine black-majority voting precincts and both of its white-majority precincts.

[Dieseler]

If this be true, then perhaps they are to stupid to vote period.

[LDA]

It has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with ignorance. Their skin color is not why they're ignorant, their socioeconomic status is.

I've often argued that party labels should be removed from ballots. The reason is obvious enough. If it wasn't easy to simply vote straight ticket or vote for everyone with an R or D next to their name, you'd have to actually learn about the candidates...or vote for random people, or not vote at all. All of those possible outcomes are much better than the alternative, which is currently in effect: people voting for parties, not individuals.

The argument often made against removing party labels is the one made by Justice department: people won't know who to vote for. I don't think that's a bad thing. If people want to figure out who to vote for, they should actually research the candidates, and see where those candidates stand on issues that matter to them.

Of course, measures like this won't come to pass anytime soon. The political establishment - the two parties in power - have no interest in something that could potentially cause them to lose loyal voters. Both parties depend on the loyal masses that will blindly vote their incumbents in every single time, even when that incumbent is totally incompetent.

[angelatc]

The argument often made against removing party labels is the one made by Justice department: people won't know who to vote for.



The argument made by the justice department was that black people won't know who to vote for.

[Krugerrand]

The argument made by the justice department was that black people won't know who to vote for.

That's not what I got from it:

The department ruled that white voters in Kinston will vote for blacks only if they are Democrats and that therefore the city cannot get rid of party affiliations for local elections because that would violate black voters' right to elect the candidates they want.

It is saying that the party labels are used by the WHITE voters.

[LDA]

Okay, well...that's the same argument, with a hint of racism.

[Cowlesy]

Ms. King's letter in the Kinston case states that because of the low turnout black voters must be "viewed as a minority for analytical purposes," and that "minority turnout is relevant" to determining whether the Justice Department should be allowed a change to election protocol.

Black voters account for 9,702 of the city's 15,402 registered voters but typically don't vote at the rates whites do.

As a result of the low turnout, Ms. King wrote, "black voters have had limited success in electing candidates of choice during recent municipal elections."

"It is the partisan makeup of the general electorate that results in enough white cross-over to allow the black community to elect a candidate of choice," she wrote.


No shit? If your voters don't turn out, you have trouble in elections?

/facepalm

[demolama]

This is why the founders feared a democracy... that style of government will only work if the people are well informed. Obviously, some people have below average IQs... so not everyone will ever be that well informed. This was why property rights were instituted to constitute who could vote... it had little to do with wealth but the fact that with wealth came education.

[Naraku]

It's not simply about Democrats, it's about getting rid of the whole partisan system. Political parties are a bureaucracy which allows for the more efficient control of the people. Both parties try to prevent any independent streaks within the party or moves away from parties.

[sofia]

If this be true, then perhaps they are to stupid to vote period.

Thanks to LBJ's and MLK's "Voting Rights Act".....everyone now has the "right" to vote our freedoms and monies away........including illiterates!

[Fr3shjive]

Blacks shouldnt be allowed to vote. They're too stupid.

/sarcasm

[angelatc]

That's not what I got from it:


It is saying that the party labels are used by the WHITE voters.

Again, from my original post:
The Justice Department's ruling, which affects races for City Council and mayor, went so far as to say partisan elections are needed so that black voters can elect their "candidates of choice" - identified by the department as those who are Democrats and almost exclusively black.



The department ruled that white voters in Kinston will vote for blacks only if they are Democrats and that therefore the city cannot get rid of party affiliations for local elections because that would violate black voters' right to elect the candidates they want.

I have no idea what this sentence means. Are they saying that the white voters won't vote for a black Republican? I seriously doubt that, especially in a racially diverse town. DOes this mean the Democrats are feeling entitled to the black vote? I guess they paid enough for it....

[Krugerrand]

Again, from my original post:



I have no idea what this sentence means. Are they saying that the white voters won't vote for a black Republican? I seriously doubt that, especially in a racially diverse town. DOes this mean the Democrats are feeling entitled to the black vote? I guess they paid enough for it....


The department ruled that white voters in Kinston will vote for blacks only if they are Democrats and that therefore the city cannot get rid of party affiliations for local elections because that would violate black voters' right to elect the candidates they want.

First, it assumes that black voters want blank candidates and that black candidates are Democrats. Then, it suggests that the only way for black candidates to win is with white voters - and the only way the white voters will vote for a black candidate is if the black candidate has a "D" beside the name.

The conclusion - in a mind baffling way - excepts the legal system to be setup to determine the RESULTS of the election rather than the voters.

[HOLLYWOOD]

I'm sure they'll back this with some BS from the First amendment, just like the lobbyists used in their ruling to bribe politicians. This is Fraud and absolutely ridiculous ruling on what a town wants. I've been to Kinston plenty of times, small, not much of a town.

Don't you just love how the Totalitarian Duopoly wants to keep the people divided and politically segregated. Frankly I think it's also an insult to black people.


The Justice Department's ruling, which affects races for City Council and mayor, went so far as to say partisan elections are needed so that black voters can elect their "candidates of choice" - identified by the department as those who are Democrats and almost exclusively black.Here's a prefect case of a political party violating; Sovereign State rights, fair and free choice elections, and what a majority of the people want. When one political party that's in control, can override what the people want... totalitarianism, communistic aristocracy. This is the plan, Big Powerful and Wealthy centralized federal government controlling the people at the local level. How do you fight the mighty, powerful, and wealthy DOJ? This is the similar problem across the nation in fighting Obozo's mandated minority Section 8 housing. These local small communities don't have the wealth and resources to fight the Socialists.


The measure appeared to have broad support among both white and black voters, as it won a majority in seven of the city's nine black-majority voting precincts and both of its white-majority precincts.

[Cowlesy]

Frankly I think it's also an insult to black people.


This.

I think it is a huge insult to black people.

They are already most of the government in the town as it is, and they voted to make elections non-partisan! It is treating these people like children, and frankly, we all better pay attention because that is what the political elite think of the rest of us too; just a bunch of children who don't know what is in their best interest--- so "don't worry children, we'll decide for you."

[IPSecure]

As the courts have used elsewhere...

[Dieseler]

This.

I think it is a huge insult to black people.

They are already most of the government in the town as it is, and they voted to make elections non-partisan! It is treating these people like children, and frankly, we all better pay attention because that is what the political elite think of the rest of us too; just a bunch of children who don't know what is in their best interest--- so "don't worry children, we'll decide for you."

But what if Black people are too stupid to realize they are being insulted?
Or maybe just 95% are to stupid to realize they are being insulted?

[TastyWheat]

I think they're taking a page out of Bush's playbook:

"Sometimes you have to abandon democratic principles to save democracy... err... the Democratic Party."

[GunnyFreedom]

WOW! Here's your blowback: Republican mayor elected in Kinston for the first time since reconstruction. :D

Obama DOJ: "OOPS" :D :D :D

[GunnyFreedom]

I guess I was the only one who thought that this was BIG NEWS. :(

Not that a generic Republican is some kind of hero, but that the blowback on the Obama DOJ ruling in Kinston got a Republican elected there for the first time since Reconstruction.

To me, this also signals the winds of change, and if we, in the RP movement run for public office everywhere as Republicans, we will win a lot of seats by default.

[Ethek]

I guess I was the only one who thought that this was BIG NEWS. :(

Not that a generic Republican is some kind of hero, but that the blowback on the Obama DOJ ruling in Kinston got a Republican elected there for the first time since Reconstruction.

To me, this also signals the winds of change, and if we, in the RP movement run for public office everywhere as Republicans, we will win a lot of seats by default.

I see the nessecity of running within the duopoly until RP people have the power to change it for the better. In NY-23 the republican got 6-7% even though they had dropped out the day before. Thats your margin you are giving away for running outside the system.

Democracy takes people being informed? I dont kow too many mobs that stay rational for long at all. It would be a hurculean feat by anyone with leadership.

Republics can get by with informed citizens and nothing less

[Theocrat]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/20/justice-dept-blocks-ncs-nonpartisan-vote/?source=newsletter_must-read-stories-today_photo_feature

Want to run your elections without party monikers attached? No way, says the Fed:

If that's not blatant, systematic racism on the part of our federal government, then I don't know what is (not even accounting how unconstitutional the decision is by a department of the federal government which is supposed to be schooled on the Constitution).

[GunnyFreedom]

If that's not blatant, systematic racism on the part of our federal government, then I don't know what is (not even accounting how unconstitutional the decision is by a department of the federal government which is supposed to be schooled on the Constitution).

NC has a real history of ugly racist stuff, specifically and particularly from the Democrats. The reason we are a democrat-controlled state today was on account of the "Wilmington Race Riots" of...1893?...1897? During Reconstruction, Wilmington NC was a majority black, almost entirely republican city, and they were fast becoming the wealthiest city in all of America....which white democrats of the day just COULD NOT ABIDE.

No black republicans gonna make them look stupid, so these white democrats called on the KKK to help them, and they came in and massacred the whole city, and this has made NC a democrat state ever since. Ironically, now the democrats maintain power in NC based almost entirely on the black vote.

More recently, the SCOTUS in....1993?....decided that it was OK,right and proper to heavily gerrymander NC CD-12 because it artificially created a black democrat majority, which was (apparently) good for everybody. Now we have Mel Watt in the pocket of the banksters gutting HR1207. He can get away with it, not because he's black or because he's a democrat, but because he is completely invulnerable in his gerrymandered district. Gee, thanks SCOTUS.

I know that the situation is not the same elsewhere, but in NC, the GOP has pretty much always been the antiracist party since Reconstruction, and yet your average "Dem On The Street" seems to think that it's the other way around, with racist Reps and pure hearted Dems. Honestly, I do not comprehend this disconnect.

[misterx]

It has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with ignorance. Their skin color is not why they're ignorant, their socioeconomic status is.



I have found that one's socioeconomic status is usually the result of their own intellectual abilities.

[GunnyFreedom]

I have found that one's socioeconomic status is usually the result of their own intellectual abilities.

Whereas I have found that if we were a free nation, THEN one's socioeconomic status WOULD BE the result of their intellect and drive...however today in our not-very-free nation, it's all about who you know.

I have seen some of the most brilliant and driven people trapped in poverty and on the cusp of homelessness, while the stupidest and laziest people go around in Ferrari's.

So I would submit that your observation is completely false in my experience.

[TGGRV]

It's not only socio-economic stuff. It's also that on average they have a lower IQ on average and they simply don't care(if you can care even less than the average American in general). Easier to just cry racism and vote for racist things like affirmative action or idiots like Jackson.

EDIT:Oh, by the way, I don't think all Blacks are stupid or careless. I know quite a few of them who are really cool people and have a more or less grasp on political issues. But the average one... And you can say whatever you want about it, it might be politically incorrect, but it's the truth. And cut the crap with the socio-economic thing. It's way overblown. You have people having way smaller access to education and a way crappier educational system that have better results. Intelligence drives socio-economic status, not the other way around.

[misterx]

Whereas I have found that if we were a free nation, THEN one's socioeconomic status WOULD BE the result of their intellect and drive...however today in our not-very-free nation, it's all about who you know.

I have seen some of the most brilliant and driven people trapped in poverty and on the cusp of homelessness, while the stupidest and laziest people go around in Ferrari's.

So I would submit that your observation is completely false in my experience.

There are exceptions to every rule. In general though, you're not going to find many geniuses in the ghetto, or inbred hicks in the Fortune 500.

[GunnyFreedom]

There are exceptions to every rule. In general though, you're not going to find many geniuses in the ghetto, or inbred hicks in the Fortune 500.

Pulling data from the extreme ends of the bell curve is a nonsequitur. So, given the fact that people here on RPF's are on average much brighter than the general population, as well as much more willing to work, then why are we all not millionaires?

[misterx]

Pulling data from the extreme ends of the bell curve is a nonsequitur. So, given the fact that people here on RPF's are on average much brighter than the general population, as well as much more willing to work, then why are we all not millionaires?

I'll bet most here are doing just fine, and I don't think many here are going to vote for someone because they have a D or an R next to their name.

[GunnyFreedom]

I'll bet most here are doing just fine, and I don't think many here are going to vote for someone because they have a D or an R next to their name.

What does voting for someone just because they have an R or a D after their name have to do with the conversation?

Fact is, I have seen with my own eyes more brilliant hard working people in poverty than successful, and more lazy stupid people wealthy than impoverished. We do not live in a free country, you have to "play the game" to get ahead in America today, and the most brilliant Americans I know of do not like to play statist games.

[MelissaWV]

If the Justice Department REALLY cared, they'd make the ballots computerized like a dating website, and you'd pick your candidate on what REALLY matters:

Race
Gender
Age
Religion
GPA in college
Extra-curricular activities
Favorite food
Favorite color
If you were a tree, what kind of tree would you be?
Chinese zodiac symbol
Marital status
Number of children
Favorite ice cream flavor
Favorite position to "make whoopee" in
If you could go back in time and visit any time period, when would it be?
Are you a cat person or a dog person?
Who's your favorite Hollywood actor?
Did you like Adam Lambert better than Kris Allen?

etc.

Assuming "D" means "black-friendly" is pretty sad. Perhaps we could just have the candidates do the race and gender categorization. Of course, then you'd end up with a "white" candidate putting down that they're "black" and saving all that money on advertising. THAT would be a damned RIOT. :D

[GunnyFreedom]

Yeah, I seriously do not comprehend the thing about black voters going en-masse for the Dems though. The Democrats were the party of slavery, the party of the KKK, the party of segregation, and the party that still today does stupid nonsense as described in the OP above.

If you know my history here, you know I am not a partisan, but given that the GOP was the party that ended slavery, the party that fought the KKK, the party that ended segregation, and the party that has more than any other supported the civil rights movement, I would have imagined that black voters by and large would vote Republican.

Seriously, I Don't Get It.

I am running as a Republican, and I have a pretty large community of black voters in Nash and Halifax that I need to reach, so I really need to be enlightened on this score so that I can reach them.

Theocrat? BlackTerrel? Any info you guys can provide here would be most helpful...

[TGGRV]

Yeah, I seriously do not comprehend the thing about black voters going en-masse for the Dems though. The Democrats were the party of slavery, the party of the KKK, the party of segregation, and the party that still today does stupid nonsense as described in the OP above.

If you know my history here, you know I am not a partisan, but given that the GOP was the party that ended slavery, the party that fought the KKK, the party that ended segregation, and the party that has more than any other supported the civil rights movement, I would have imagined that black voters by and large would vote Republican.

Seriously, I Don't Get It.

I am running as a Republican, and I have a pretty large community of black voters in Nash and Halifax that I need to reach, so I really need to be enlightened on this score so that I can reach them.

Theocrat? BlackTerrel? Any info you guys can provide here would be most helpful...
It's complicated. Hell, Blacks don't like Thomas Sowell much and call him an uncle tom, while voting for idiots like Jackson. lol

By the way, if you are the person in your signature, I told a friend of mine that lives in NC to support you. :P I told him he should donate, but I don't know if he did. Since I'm not married to him yet, I can't manipulate him into doing it effectively. :P

[Theocrat]

Yeah, I seriously do not comprehend the thing about black voters going en-masse for the Dems though. The Democrats were the party of slavery, the party of the KKK, the party of segregation, and the party that still today does stupid nonsense as described in the OP above.

If you know my history here, you know I am not a partisan, but given that the GOP was the party that ended slavery, the party that fought the KKK, the party that ended segregation, and the party that has more than any other supported the civil rights movement, I would have imagined that black voters by and large would vote Republican.

Seriously, I Don't Get It.

I am running as a Republican, and I have a pretty large community of black voters in Nash and Halifax that I need to reach, so I really need to be enlightened on this score so that I can reach them.

Theocrat? BlackTerrel? Any info you guys can provide here would be most helpful...

I'm sorry, but I don't live in NC, so I can't help in that regard.

[GunnyFreedom]

It's complicated. Hell, Blacks don't like Thomas Sowell much and call him an uncle tom, while voting for idiots like Jackson. lol

By the way, if you are the person in your signature, I told a friend of mine that lives in NC to support you. :P I told him he should donate, but I don't know if he did. Since I'm not married to him yet, I can't manipulate him into doing it effectively. :P

Yeah, that's me in my sig, thanks! :D

Haven't heard any more come in since the last RPF'er a couple days ago, but I get anywhere from a 2 to an 8 hr delay as they go through my treasurer first.

We have the best chance of taking this district in 2010 that we have had in 50 years. the demographics, former elections, and current polls are really leaning away from the incumbent, and I will not be facing a primary challenge. That said, I will need to do some heavy print production and media most rikki tik.

I really do wish Theocrat and BlackTerrel would step in and share some insight here. The only real obstacle I have to overcome is going to be a heavy black vote in 14 of my precincts. If I can get real leverage in those precincts, then it's all over but the partying, really.

[GunnyFreedom]

I'm sorry, but I don't live in NC, so I can't help in that regard.

No idea why black voters go en-masse for the Dems without even considering anybody else? No advice on the kinds of subjects, positions, and language I need to use? :(

[TGGRV]

Blacks voting for Democraps is nation wide, not state wide.

And I don't know if he donated. I email him your site and he emailed me back that he is really busy with his business and that he misses me. :) So he might not have had time for it yet, but I'll pressure him more on it. Wilmington is in your district?

[Pericles]

No idea why black voters go en-masse for the Dems without even considering anybody else? No advice on the kinds of subjects, positions, and language I need to use? :(
Money.

I'd say the big split in the black community is religion. You might make some inroads in the churches as devout Christians would be receptive to a message about creating strong communities, personal integrity, and real justice that helps the community clean out drug dealers and gangs.

The drug dealer, gang, and welfare segment is going to vote D period. Running as a R, that is your electorial golf handicap.

[BlackTerrel]

Yeah, I seriously do not comprehend the thing about black voters going en-masse for the Dems though. The Democrats were the party of slavery, the party of the KKK, the party of segregation, and the party that still today does stupid nonsense as described in the OP above.

If you know my history here, you know I am not a partisan, but given that the GOP was the party that ended slavery, the party that fought the KKK, the party that ended segregation, and the party that has more than any other supported the civil rights movement, I would have imagined that black voters by and large would vote Republican.

Seriously, I Don't Get It.

I am running as a Republican, and I have a pretty large community of black voters in Nash and Halifax that I need to reach, so I really need to be enlightened on this score so that I can reach them.

Theocrat? BlackTerrel? Any info you guys can provide here would be most helpful...

A couple things - I doubt most blacks know that the GOP was the party that ended slavery etc. and even if they did it doesn't matter because it happened a long time ago.

The Democrats in general have the perception that they want to help black people. Before Obama there was Bill Clinton and black people LOVED Bill Clinton. They still do. Then there is George Bush, after Katrina Kanye West said that "George Bush hates black people" that didn't occur in a vacuum. He basically said what a lot of black people think. There is a perception out there that Democrats wants to help black people and Republicans are snooty country club white folk that secretly despise black people.

I disagree with it. I don't think the Democrats are good for black people, or for Americans in general, but unfortunately I do not have that much sway.

Good luck in your run, I wish you the best.

[GunnyFreedom]

Blacks voting for Democraps is nation wide, not state wide.

And I don't know if he donated. I email him your site and he emailed me back that he is really busy with his business and that he misses me. :) So he might not have had time for it yet, but I'll pressure him more on it. Wilmington is in your district?

Wilmington is 3 hours ESE of my district. I am by Halifax and Franklin Counties, north of Raleigh. Some of the oldest revolutionary politics in America took place around here. We were the first on the continent to officially declare sovereignty on April 12th 1776.

[GunnyFreedom]

Money.

I'd say the big split in the black community is religion. You might make some inroads in the churches as devout Christians would be receptive to a message about creating strong communities, personal integrity, and real justice that helps the community clean out drug dealers and gangs.

The drug dealer, gang, and welfare segment is going to vote D period. Running as a R, that is your electorial golf handicap.

Focusing on the churches is a good idea. I have some So Baptist roots I can pull on with that regard.

[GunnyFreedom]

A couple things - I doubt most blacks know that the GOP was the party that ended slavery etc. and even if they did it doesn't matter because it happened a long time ago.

The Democrats in general have the perception that they want to help black people. Before Obama there was Bill Clinton and black people LOVED Bill Clinton. They still do. Then there is George Bush, after Katrina Kanye West said that "George Bush hates black people" that didn't occur in a vacuum. He basically said what a lot of black people think. There is a perception out there that Democrats wants to help black people and Republicans are snooty country club white folk that secretly despise black people.

I disagree with it. I don't think the Democrats are good for black people, or for Americans in general, but unfortunately I do not have that much sway.

Good luck in your run, I wish you the best.

Thanks for helping!

I also hated George Bush, so maybe I can work that angle to some degree of success also. In addition to using government to do all of the things he should not have done, like pushing the police state to new heights, he also failed to properly use the government for things that he should have done, like the disaster relief effort after Katrina.

Myself, I am only a heartbeat above the poverty line (especially since I have given up my whole life since middle 2007 to volunteer for the Ron Paul movement) and I will be running against a rich, country club Democrat.

So maybe in those precincts I can focus more heavily on highlighting how my positions are more opposed to George Bush than Lucy Allen's positions, and on how I have had to count pennys, nickels, and dimes just to get by on generic food from the grocery store while Lucy Allen sat in her country club eating steak and lobster.

'Why are you gonna let some rich woman tell you how to run your lives, and set you up just to get your vote, when I really do know what it's like to be poor, and you know that I'll be looking out for your interests in Raleigh?'

Man, I really appreciate the enlightenment here. I knew I hated GWB, I knew that GWB made a monumental mess out of Katrina, but I didn't know that there was a /particular/ dislike for GWB amongst the black community. Now see, that REALLY helps!

Thanks again!

[BlackTerrel]

Thanks for helping!

I also hated George Bush, so maybe I can work that angle to some degree of success also. In addition to using government to do all of the things he should not have done, like pushing the police state to new heights, he also failed to properly use the government for things that he should have done, like the disaster relief effort after Katrina.

Myself, I am only a heartbeat above the poverty line (especially since I have given up my whole life since middle 2007 to volunteer for the Ron Paul movement) and I will be running against a rich, country club Democrat.

So maybe in those precincts I can focus more heavily on highlighting how my positions are more opposed to George Bush than Lucy Allen's positions, and on how I have had to count pennys, nickels, and dimes just to get by on generic food from the grocery store while Lucy Allen sat in her country club eating steak and lobster.

'Why are you gonna let some rich woman tell you how to run your lives, and set you up just to get your vote, when I really do know what it's like to be poor, and you know that I'll be looking out for your interests in Raleigh?'

Man, I really appreciate the enlightenment here. I knew I hated GWB, I knew that GWB made a monumental mess out of Katrina, but I didn't know that there was a /particular/ dislike for GWB amongst the black community. Now see, that REALLY helps!

Thanks again!

Good luck to you. I am sure that you can relate with a lot of people and that is where it's at. It doesn't mean "sucking up: to certain communities as some politicians do, but it does mean highlighting how your policies will be good for them. And Liberty candidates are good for all Americans.