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sofia
10-19-2009, 06:22 PM
In light of what's unfolding before our very eyes (a communistic world government)...it may be time to clear Joe McCarthy's name.

McCarthy's ultimate target wasnt just the communists, but the powers above them that covered up and promoted their deeds.

Anyone who believes that McCarthy was a reckless "witch-hunter" out to read this well researched book...

http://www.amazon.com/Blacklisted-History-Senator-McCarthy-Americas/dp/140008105X

James Madison
10-19-2009, 07:02 PM
I feel that McCarthy was 98% correct in his assessments. He saw that the so-called "communist movement" was nothing more than another scam perpetrated by the international elite. McCarthy saw that while the US professed its steadfast opposition to communism on one hand, it also had a large role in communism's implementation throughout the world. Without US intervention communism would have likely failed in China and much of East Asia. This is where McCarthy went astray in my opinion. To him, the only way to stop the communists was the fight them. Unfortunately, every US conflict from 1950-1989 only helped to further the stranglehold the Federal Reserve had on US policy. So for this reason, McCarthy was a blessing to the country. Unfortunately, his own bravado was his downfall.

pcosmar
10-19-2009, 07:06 PM
I disagree with his methods.
But his message has proven to be true.

tonesforjonesbones
10-19-2009, 07:24 PM
I ordered that book..thanks! tones

sofia
10-19-2009, 09:57 PM
I disagree with his methods.
But his message has proven to be true.

His methods were actually quite reserved given the circimstances. He was very careful not to accuse someone flat out of being a communist (or a communist protector....like George Marshall) unless he had solid evidence.

Soviet archives have backed him up. Check out the book. I think you'll find it fascinating.

Baptist
10-19-2009, 10:35 PM
Like everyone else in America, I grew up being told that McCarthy was a witch hunter, drove people to suicide, and ruined innocent lives.

Then in 2005ish I read Anne Coulter's (when I was a neocon) Treason. The first half of Treason was devoted to McCarthy and practically idolized him. I wanted to know if what she was saying was true or not, so I went online and bought every book I could find on him(over a dozen of them).

McCarthy was right. Like a previous poster stated, old Soviet cables exonerated him (look up the Venona Project). McCarthy is one of my favorite politicians in American history.

The best book on McCarthy, in my opinion, is McCarthy, by Roy Cohn. Roy Cohn was McCarthy's right-hand man during the whole era of "McCarthyism," so you get the story from an insider. Most books totally trash McCarthy, and a few like Coulter's worship him. In my opinion, Cohn presents the most unbiased version of events. (Remember, McCarthy was a conservative Republican, and Cohn was a homosexual Democrat who McCarthy hired to help him. So they did not share the same ideology.)


I should also point out that McCarthy wrote books, I have two of them. So if you want to see what McCarthy actually said, versus an opinion on him, buy his own books.

McCarthy was awesome.

sofia
10-19-2009, 10:50 PM
Like everyone else in America, I grew up being told that McCarthy was a witch hunter, drove people to suicide, and ruined innocent lives.

Then in 2005ish I read Anne Coulter's (when I was a neocon) Treason. The first half of Treason was devoted to McCarthy and practically idolized him. I wanted to know if what she was saying was true or not, so I went online and bought every book I could find on him(over a dozen of them).

McCarthy was right. Like a previous poster stated, old Soviet cables exonerated him (look up the Venona Project). McCarthy is one of my favorite politicians in American history.

The best book on McCarthy, in my opinion, is McCarthy, by Roy Cohn. Roy Cohn was McCarthy's right-hand man during the whole era of "McCarthyism," so you get the story from an insider. Most books totally trash McCarthy, and a few like Coulter's worship him. In my opinion, Cohn presents the most unbiased version of events. (Remember, McCarthy was a conservative Republican, and Cohn was a homosexual Democrat who McCarthy hired to help him. So they did not share the same ideology.)


I should also point out that McCarthy wrote books, I have two of them. So if you want to see what McCarthy actually said, versus an opinion on him, buy his own books.

McCarthy was awesome.

McCarthy was so awesome that I think American cities should be named after him. Seriously, the man had balls of steel and feared no one.

General George Marshall was an untouchable, Colin Powellesque ICON during that period, yet McCarthy went after that traitor nonetheless.

McCarthy...MacArthur...and George Patton...where are such men today?????

emazur
10-19-2009, 11:25 PM
I don't know a great deal about him, but didn't McCarthy chase out suspected communists like Charlie Chaplain that had no government ties? How would you justify that? We may disagree with communists, but they have a right to exist (how would you like it if Bush or Obama did something similar to libertarians? Or atheists or Muslims?). Has Ron Paul ever mentioned McCarthy? RP has said socialists can stay in the US and form their own socialist communities, they just don't have the right to force it on others:
YouTube - Ron Paul: in a libertarian society, socialists could voluntarily live in their own communities (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhl3IYkle9s)

Baptist
10-19-2009, 11:26 PM
Yeah, one of the books of his that I have is devoted entirely to exposing George Marshall. http://search.barnesandnoble.com/used/results.aspx?CNT=joe+mccarthy&PRC=ALL&USRI=1&usedpagetype=usedlisting&wid=2889002

Here is the other one I have. Fight for America: http://search.barnesandnoble.com/used/results.aspx?CNT=joe+mccarthy&PRC=ALL&USRI=1&usedpagetype=usedlisting&wid=2501235

sofia
10-19-2009, 11:53 PM
[QUOTE=emazur;2375864]I don't know a great deal about him, but didn't McCarthy chase out suspected communists like Charlie Chaplain that had no government ties?

How would you justify that? We may disagree with communists, but they have a right to exist (how would you like it if Bush or Obama did something similar to libertarians? Or atheists or Muslims?). QUOTE]

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In answer to your question...liberty is about allowing people to do what they want as long as they dont hurt , or conspire to hurt, others.

Unlike someone of a different religion...or no religion, Communist subversives INTEND to destroy our liberty and impose tyranny upon us. Thats why they should be treated as criminals...or at the very least, not permitted to come anywhere near our schools, media, or government institutions.

It is pure folly to allow those who wish to DESTROY your liberty...to use America's liberty as their vehicle to overthrow our Constitution.

If they want to live in their own communities and practice socialism...more power to em.

But that's not what they want. Their goal is to DOMINATE us. Keeping them in check is consistent with OUR natural right to self defense.

Baptist
10-20-2009, 12:04 AM
I don't know a great deal about him, but didn't McCarthy chase out suspected communists like Charlie Chaplain that had no government ties? How would you justify that? We may disagree with communists, but they have a right to exist (how would you like it if Bush or Obama did something similar to libertarians? Or atheists or Muslims?). Has Ron Paul ever mentioned McCarthy? RP has said socialists can stay in the US and form their own socialist communities, they just don't have the right to force it on others:
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See, this is why everyone on these forums should educate themselves on Joe McCarthy. Even though our schools teach us that McCarthy drove innocent people to suicide and blacklisted innocent Hollywood celebrities, nothing could be further from the truth.

Joe McCarthy had NOTHING to do with the Hollywood blacklisting. It was the House UnAmerican Activities Committee that blacklisted Hollywood people. McCarthy was in the Senate. The HUAC blacklisting happened before anyone in American even knew who Joe McCarthy was. McCarthy became involved in the anti-communist fight after the blacklisting, and after it was proven (people were tried and convicted) that Soviet spies were in the government.


And as far as Ron's thoughts on this... I don't know. But apparently Tom Woods has written on the subject and states that Soviet spies were in the government.

legion
10-20-2009, 12:08 AM
what's wrong with general george marshall?

people hate him because he wasn't a wreckless field general like patton. big deal.

marshall basically planned the world war 2 himself and made sure everything was where it needed to be.

massive engineering and logistical feats happened because of him.

i think marshall was more heroic than eisenhour or patton

Baptist
10-20-2009, 12:16 AM
what's wrong with general george marshall?

people hate him because he wasn't a wreckless field general like patton. big deal.

marshall basically planned the world war 2 himself and made sure everything was where it needed to be.

massive engineering and logistical feats happened because of him.

i think marshall was more heroic than eisenhour or patton

From what I remember, it has to do with the Marshall Plan, in which the American government stole our money (through taxes of course) and used it to "rebuild" Western Europe. The problem, however, was that much of that money went to the U.S.S.R. to build them up too.

sofia
10-20-2009, 12:31 AM
what's wrong with general george marshall?

people hate him because he wasn't a wreckless field general like patton. big deal.

marshall basically planned the world war 2 himself and made sure everything was where it needed to be.

massive engineering and logistical feats happened because of him.

i think marshall was more heroic than eisenhour or patton

Marshall was an agent of NWO. He was a traitor who sold out Chiang Kai Shek and handed China to Mao.

How can you say Patton was reckless? Had Patton prevailed the US would have saved Eastern Europe from Stalin. It was pro-communist traitors Marshall and Eisenhower who did Stalin's bidding. Ike even had his picture taken with Stalin when he visited Moscow to receive a medal from the Soviets!

Marshall was just as much a commie lover as Ike. They had Patton assassinated too because Patton figured out that "we fought the wrong people."...

Marshall and Ike were all hype. Useless bureaucrat traitors not worthy to shine Patton's or MacArthur's shoes. Read McCarthy's speech on this traitor and his book.

legion
10-20-2009, 12:39 AM
From what I remember, it has to do with the Marshall Plan, in which the American government stole our money (through taxes of course) and used it to "rebuild" Western Europe. The problem, however, was that much of that money went to the U.S.S.R. to build them up too.

Yes, we loaned the europeans money which they quickly turned around and spent it buying our products, which lead to a period of prosperity in the US never before seen on this planet, from 1950 to 2000.

sofia
10-20-2009, 12:48 AM
Yes, we loaned the europeans money which they quickly turned around and spent it buying our products, which lead to a period of prosperity in the US never before seen on this planet, from 1950 to 2000.

wrong.

Marshall Scam was the seed corn for the communist European Union that is emerging today.

And Marshall had NOTHING to do with the plan. It was a team of economic advisors under Truman. At first it was going to be called The Truman Plan...but they decided to attach Marshall's name instead so it would have a better chance of passing the Senate.

tangent4ronpaul
10-20-2009, 01:47 AM
I wonder what HUAC would do today if you pointed them at the White House and Congress...

-t

apropos
10-20-2009, 06:33 AM
I've heard mixed things about McCarthy. Whittaker Chambers, a communist turned informant, said he was a buffoon who did not correctly understand or identify the Communist threat. But McCarthy was correct in that communism was posed an internal threat to America. He has a complicated legacy.

BillyDkid
10-20-2009, 07:44 AM
McCarthy was a political thug and Roy Cohn was evil incarnate. In this country you have the right to hold whatever political view you choose even if I find them repellent. McCarthy used the power of government to persecute people for their political views and that's all there is to it. I fail to see how anyone can endorse that. Communism failed and it will always fail because it is a flawed philosophy and not because McCarthy was, somehow, a champion of freedom. How does that go - I disagree with what you say (or believe, or promote, or endorse) but I will fight to the death for your right to say it.

sofia
10-20-2009, 07:54 AM
McCarthy was a political thug and Roy Cohn was evil incarnate. In this country you have the right to hold whatever political view you choose even if I find them repellent. McCarthy used the power of government to persecute people for their political views and that's all there is to it. I fail to see how anyone can endorse that. Communism failed and it will always fail because it is a flawed philosophy and not because McCarthy was, somehow, a champion of freedom. How does that go - I disagree with what you say (or believe, or promote, or endorse) but I will fight to the death for your right to say it.

You have been programmed with a bunch of cliches.

In this country you have the right to hold whatever political view you choose even if I find them repellent.

You do not have a right to overthrow our form of government and institute a murderous Soviet style tyranny. Nor do you have a "right" to hold a sensitive position in our government.

McCarthy used the power of government to persecute people for their political views.

Nope. McCarthy used the power of his office to weed out Soviet backed communist traitors who were actively working against our freedom and our constitution. Does the phrase "all enemies foreign and domestic" ring a bell?

I disagree with what you say (or believe, or promote, or endorse) but I will fight to the death for your right to say it

The problem with the communists was that were doing more than just saying or believing. They were DOING. They were infiltrating our government, giving nuke secrets to Russia, and undermining a constitution that they swore to defend. That's not freedom of thought...that's mobster style criminal activity.

Joe McCarthy did his job and upheld his oath to defend America "from all enemies, foreign and domestic.

RCA
10-20-2009, 10:02 AM
Yes, we loaned the europeans money which they quickly turned around and spent it buying our products, which lead to a period of prosperity in the US never before seen on this planet, from 1950 to 2000.

Hasn't this been a period of steep decline in American prosperity? I think the wealth of the average homeowner was far greater in 1950 than in 2000.

Danke
10-20-2009, 12:09 PM
Seems Eustace Mullins might back him up;

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=2376421#post2376421