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Is the Obama administration tanking the economy on purpose?
Time for Change
10-18-2009, 07:53 AM
Of course.
How better to win people over to big invasive government and socialism than to use it to save everyone? [from the government ... shhh]
squarepusher
10-18-2009, 07:53 AM
Yes we can
pcosmar
10-18-2009, 08:02 AM
Is the Obama administration tanking the economy on purpose?
They are only doing as they are told. They don't run shit. They don't decide shit.
The economy is being "Tanked" by those that DO run shit.
YumYum
10-18-2009, 08:04 AM
They are only doing as they are told. They don't run shit. They don't decide shit.
The economy is being "Tanked" by those that DO run shit.
The Fed?
ghengis86
10-18-2009, 08:06 AM
The Fed?
not the Fed as an institution, but the world banking families that are shareholders, yes.
pcosmar
10-18-2009, 08:07 AM
The Fed?
??
The "Owners" of the Fed, more accurately. And those in collusion with them.
sluggo
10-18-2009, 08:19 AM
I don't like getting all conspiratorial, but I have to say "yes."
They are ignoring both common sense and the most basic principles of economics. Despite countless warnings, they are hellbent on taxing, spending, and printing our way into a Zimbabwe-style collapse. I think that the average Congressman is too ignorant of economics to even grasp the problem, and their ignorance is exploited by the powers behind the throne, so to speak.
When the dollar is pronounced dead, I think they will turn all monetary authority over to the IMF. Makes too much sense when you look at all the other global schemes currently being finalized.
squarepusher
10-18-2009, 08:24 AM
the Bilderburgs, Satanists, Elites, Trilateral Commision
They are only doing as they are told. They don't run shit. They don't decide shit.
The economy is being "Tanked" by those that DO run shit.
And who would that be pcosmar? Please do give names! As far as I am concerned, the people introducing, voting on, and pushing these bills are the ones tanking the economy, you can continue to chase the ghosts all you want, have fun down that rabbit hole.
The only way we can have a full-scale revolution consisting of the collective psyche of the human changing its perspective on how it should interact peacefully with other beings and taking responsibility for itself is to have a total political meltdown.
But, that doesn't necessarily mean that shit hits the fan and every apocalyptic prophecy suddenly comes true.
I vote "Not sure" because maybe they are doing this on purpose in order to wake the world up and have it actually come together as one in order to do something about this, or maybe they're just doing this because they have no fucking clue how to run the country and help the citizens reach their full potential and happiness.
It's all a matter of perspective in my opinion.
YumYum
10-18-2009, 10:31 AM
The only way we can have a full-scale revolution consisting of the collective psyche of the human changing its perspective on how it should interact peacefully with other beings and taking responsibility for itself is to have a total political meltdown.
But, that doesn't necessarily mean that shit hits the fan and every apocalyptic prophecy suddenly comes true.
I vote "Not sure" because maybe they are doing this on purpose in order to wake the world up and have it actually come together as one in order to do something about this, or maybe they're just doing this because they have no fucking clue how to run the country and help the citizens reach their full potential and happiness.
It's all a matter of perspective in my opinion.
Not only a total political meltdown, but a total economic meltdown. The way the central bank is set up it must continuely loan money to generate money. That is why money is viewed as debt. Obama admited to talking to some of the brightest economists when he was running for president so that he could learn as much as he could about our present economical situation.(Kennedy did the same thing) Surely, he understands how our economy works. He is a very intelligent man. This raises questions. If the world's bankers are the ones who control the Fed and they are Zionist, why would Obama, on the one hand, stand up to Israel (even to the point of possibly risking his life), yet on the other hand give the Fed even more power than its ever had before? There is a "headfake" in all this. Obama knows our economy will soon collapse with the dollar, but I believe he is being told exactly what to do. This may be a ploy to set us up for a world central bank.
Watch this video. Money As Debt (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2550156453790090544#)
Isaac Bickerstaff
10-18-2009, 10:58 AM
And who would that be pcosmar? Please do give names! As far as I am concerned, the people introducing, voting on, and pushing these bills are the ones tanking the economy, you can continue to chase the ghosts all you want, have fun down that rabbit hole.
Find out who write the bills, and you have your culprits. The people who introduce, vote on and push the bills are only "useful idiots" and very rarely write their own bills.
You have to be aware enough to ask the right questions. Googling "Who owns the FED?" probably won't turn up any good answers. Googling "Who is on the permanent editorial board of the Uniform Commercial Code?" may yield some more helpful information.
specsaregood
10-18-2009, 11:03 AM
And who would that be pcosmar? Please do give names! As far as I am concerned, the people introducing, voting on, and pushing these bills are the ones tanking the economy, you can continue to chase the ghosts all you want, have fun down that rabbit hole.
As said in another post, those people voting on the bills aren't writing them, they aren't even READING them. Sure they are to blame; but those bills are originating elsewhere. They are just stupid patsies doing what they are told.
SelfTaught
10-18-2009, 11:23 AM
Well, let's examine why government grows and takes over the economy.
It's much easier to pass legislation for handouts, welfare, and government jobs than it is to repeal that legislation. Probably the easiest way to get elected is to promise more entitlements and create government jobs. People like that stuff. Then when those things get enacted, the candidate has created a nice army of constituents that are unlikely to vote him out if they want to keep getting gov. money and keep working at gov. jobs. It becomes difficult for another candidate to abolish those jobs and decrease entitlement spending because people's livelihoods depend on it. So government naturally expands and the private sector shrinks and is burdened by more taxation which resulted from the increased spending.
Candidates that want to look competent also promise more regulations to keep bad things from happening and corruption at bay. But the thing is when you give the government more power and more things to do, you create opportunities for the regulators to get bribed or involved with the companies they regulate. This results in even more corruption and gaming of the system under the cloak of regulation. Then when bad things happen, pile on even more regulations.
I don't think all our problems stem from deliberate action. Some of it does for sure. But I think government growing and siphoning and destroying wealth from the economy is just the natural order of things.
Vessol
10-18-2009, 11:29 AM
The Obama Administration is just the figurehead for the Federal Reserve and the international bankers.
forsmant
10-18-2009, 11:30 AM
I voted shut up Obama is black.
Dunedain
10-18-2009, 11:32 AM
The pentagon has already applauded the economic crisis as a way to feed their war machine more unemployed workers. I would say their is little downside for Obama.
By undermining our 1st world, western civilization we are more easily ruled; most of the 3rd world countries are run by dictatorships after all.
Natalie
10-18-2009, 11:33 AM
I believe so. Everything is planned, imo.
forsmant
10-18-2009, 11:35 AM
I planned everything. I planned your next move Natalie and eOs. If you break from my plan I will, uhh, amend my plan as to make your actions seem as if I planned them.
tangent4ronpaul
10-18-2009, 11:35 AM
Wake up people - this administration is fifth columnist COMMUNIST infiltrators! - of course they are trying to sink the country!
-t
Vessol
10-18-2009, 11:37 AM
They aren't communists. The whole fucking "communism" thing is a trick being used by the right-wing media to downplay and make us look crazy. If anything Obama is a fascist.
tangent4ronpaul
10-18-2009, 11:40 AM
They aren't communists. The whole fucking "communism" thing is a trick being used by the right-wing media to downplay and make us look crazy. If anything Obama is a fascist.
There isn't really much of a difference...
I'm just amazed he hasn't had "terminal" engine trouble yet in one of his "fly toys"....
-t
coyote_sprit
10-18-2009, 11:41 AM
They are only doing as they are told. They don't run shit. They don't decide shit.
The economy is being "Tanked" by those that DO run shit.
The Joos?
erowe1
10-18-2009, 11:42 AM
I'm not sure if the Obama administration is tanking the economy on purpose.
But honestly, I'm also not sure if the end result of the economy tanking would be an overall bad thing or an overall good thing. The idea of the Cloward-Piven strategy (which is what I assume those who think Obama's tanking the economy on purpose have in mind) is that a socialist state would rise from the ashes of that depression. Maybe that's possible. But other unexpected things could happen to. It could be that doing that would also be a catalyst for states starting to secede, for example.
amonasro
10-18-2009, 12:04 PM
No, they're just idiotic, self-interested, out-of-touch power hungry politicians who don't know sh*t about economics. Don't confuse stupidity and ignorance with conspiracy.
Dunedain
10-18-2009, 12:33 PM
They aren't communists. The whole fucking "communism" thing is a trick being used by the right-wing media to downplay and make us look crazy. If anything Obama is a fascist.
There is room for a little of both in the Obama camp. He definitely reeks of egalitarianism which is non-existent in classical fascism but is an important ingredient in communism.
I believe we need a new word to describe what this anti-freedom man is....but the liberty movement is not great with soundbites...i'll go with either calling him fascist or communist; anything by my president.
TheConstitutionLives
10-18-2009, 12:34 PM
They are only doing as they are told. They don't run shit. They don't decide shit.
The economy is being "Tanked" by those that DO run shit.
coo coo
TheConstitutionLives
10-18-2009, 12:37 PM
the Bilderburgs, Satanists, Elites, Trilateral Commision
coo coo
JeNNiF00F00
10-18-2009, 12:39 PM
coo coo
Why do you say this? He speaks truth!
squarepusher
10-18-2009, 12:47 PM
I'm not sure if the Obama administration is tanking the economy on purpose.
But honestly, I'm also not sure if the end result of the economy tanking would be an overall bad thing or an overall good thing. The idea of the Cloward-Piven strategy (which is what I assume those who think Obama's tanking the economy on purpose have in mind) is that a socialist state would rise from the ashes of that depression. Maybe that's possible. But other unexpected things could happen to. It could be that doing that would also be a catalyst for states starting to secede, for example.
this is exactly what I was thinking, so they must have a plan to be a few steps ahead, to be assured when TSHTF, they are ready to institute their next (radical) step, be it global government or a fascist regime
edit: and who voted "shut up" :)
TheConstitutionLives
10-18-2009, 12:48 PM
Why do you say this? He speaks truth!
Anybody who claims they KNOW the economy is being purposelly tanked is a person who fills in information gaps with their bias. To say this is all a plan is so illogical and simple-minded given the fact that there are literally thousands of competing agendas in DC. Is it logical to assume that thousands of agendas are all working together? Nope.
squarepusher
10-18-2009, 12:51 PM
Anybody who claims they KNOW the economy is being purposelly tanked is a person who fills in information gaps with their bias. To say this is all a plan is so illogical and simple-minded given the fact that there are literally thousands of competing agendas in DC. Is it logical to assume that thousands of agendas are all working together? Nope.
i just can't imagine anyone stupid enough to think TARP, government take over, record spending, and record deficits can any way help an economy. It has to be planned.
its either planned, or worst economist in history. judging from the boys at GOldman Sachs making record profits, i think someone knows whats going on behind the scenes.
Isaac Bickerstaff
10-18-2009, 01:01 PM
coo coo
Or rather [fingers in ears, screaming], " Whaaaa, nahnahnahnah . . ."
sofia
10-18-2009, 01:03 PM
Anybody who claims they KNOW the economy is being purposelly tanked is a person who fills in information gaps with their bias. To say this is all a plan is so illogical and simple-minded given the fact that there are literally thousands of competing agendas in DC. Is it logical to assume that thousands of agendas are all working together? Nope.
I can't attribute 1.5 TRILLION deficits to stupidity. You are asking me to believe then that Geitner, Bernanke, Summers, Rubin etc. are mentally retarded or certifiably insane.......
trust me, these guys aint stupid...
tremendoustie
10-18-2009, 01:06 PM
Wow, I'm startled by the results of this poll.
His interests are in accomplishing his social agenda and maintaining and increasing power, not the economy -- but I certainly don't think he's intentionally tanking it. I'm sure he'd love to have total dictatorial power over a vibrant economy ... but of course that's not going to happen.
specsaregood
10-18-2009, 01:08 PM
Anybody who claims they KNOW the economy is being purposelly tanked is a person who fills in information gaps with their bias. To say this is all a plan is so illogical and simple-minded given the fact that there are literally thousands of competing agendas in DC. Is it logical to assume that thousands of agendas are all working together? Nope.
I have an rp meetup friend who used to be an investment banker/wall street guy and he start telling me in late 2007? early 2008 about what he was seeing from the Fed was them orchestrating the takedown of the economy setting up a great depression. Later on in the year we got the "crisis" and bailouts. I can't remember the details but to him it was clear as day and planned.
TheConstitutionLives
10-18-2009, 01:20 PM
I have an rp meetup friend who used to be an investment banker/wall street guy and he start telling me in late 2007? early 2008 about what he was seeing from the Fed was them orchestrating the takedown of the economy setting up a great depression. Later on in the year we got the "crisis" and bailouts. I can't remember the details but to him it was clear as day and planned.
None of the Mises economists including Woods, Schiff, Rockwell, etc think this is deliberate. If anyone would have such a suspicion, if it were true, they would.
tonesforjonesbones
10-18-2009, 01:23 PM
I believe the crashing of the dollar to be ongoing. I would say Obama, like BUsh, is just a puppet...the international bankers and globalists are the motivators...but Obama and BUsh etc are in on it...just players in the game. The Grand Chessboard you know. tones
Damn can anyone find that AJ picture that was posted here maybe a week ago. It was a group of people in sheets dressed as ghosts, and they were labeled Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg, Illuminati, etc, and the bottom read: Alex Jones got you chasing ghosts?
sofia
10-18-2009, 02:00 PM
None of the Mises economists including Woods, Schiff, Rockwell, etc think this is deliberate. If anyone would have such a suspicion, if it were true, they would.
dont be naive......these men have businesses to run. If they get too controversial their livlihoods suffer.
Lew Rockwell has said more controversial things in his day. Dr. Paul also weighed in on this during an episode of Freedom Watch. He said that there is a good argument to be made that Bernanke and others in the administration are purposely driving us into oblivion, but he personally doesn't believe that it is intentional. He believes that it is their arrogance and will to control the nation that is causing them to take these unprecedented actions, but he doesn't believe that Obama and the Gang are purposely trying to kill us.
This is the same Dr. Paul that spoke about the NAFTA Superhighway and has been saying that there are talks behind the scenes for world regulations of the financial sector. If he smelled a rat, he would tell us.
It doesn't matter whether the administration is Communist, Fascist, whatever.
If we don't eliminate these labels that seek to limit our understanding of those around us, then we have no ability to see that this is not a war of labels, parties, or people.
This is a war of Tyranny vs. Freedom; Fear vs. Love; Division vs. Unity.
YumYum
10-18-2009, 03:50 PM
There is room for a little of both in the Obama camp. He definitely reeks of egalitarianism which is non-existent in classical fascism but is an important ingredient in communism.
I believe we need a new word to describe what this anti-freedom man is....but the liberty movement is not great with soundbites...i'll go with either calling him fascist or communist; anything by my president.
He is a "fascunist".
forsmant
10-18-2009, 03:56 PM
I voted shut up, Obama is going to pay for my gas!
youngbuck
10-18-2009, 04:01 PM
If there is an injured person immobile on the ground, do you run up to them and start beating them with a bat to help them?
If someone is having an asthma attack, do you choke them to help them breath?
If a house is burning down, do you throw gasoline on the fire to put it out?
If someone is dying of thirst, do you put them in a dry sauna to rehydrate them?
forsmant
10-18-2009, 04:20 PM
If there is an injured person immobile on the ground, do you run up to them and start beating them with a bat to help them?
If someone is having an asthma attack, do you choke them to help them breath?
If a house is burning down, do you throw gasoline on the fire to put it out?
If someone is dying of thirst, do you put them in a dry sauna to rehydrate them?
YEs, Yes, yes and yes:p
squarepusher
10-18-2009, 04:36 PM
If there is an injured person immobile on the ground, do you run up to them and start beating them with a bat to help them?
If someone is having an asthma attack, do you choke them to help them breath?
If a house is burning down, do you throw gasoline on the fire to put it out?
If someone is dying of thirst, do you put them in a dry sauna to rehydrate them?
you sir, win nobel prize in economics
forsmant
10-18-2009, 05:29 PM
Post on a forum, get a peace prize!
legion
10-18-2009, 05:49 PM
Our government is like a giant machine. Most of the time it reacts, it doesn't act unless the people in charge start pulling the levers. What we've seen so far is mostly normal government reaction. The administration is almost entirely focused on health care.
SelfTaught
10-18-2009, 05:51 PM
It doesn't matter whether the administration is Communist, Fascist, whatever.
If we don't eliminate these labels that seek to limit our understanding of those around us, then we have no ability to see that this is not a war of labels, parties, or people.
This is a war of Tyranny vs. Freedom; Fear vs. Love; Division vs. Unity.
Your statements are contradictory. You say that this is a war of tyranny vs freedom, yet communism and fascism are definitely tyranny and free market capitalism is freedom. Communism, socialism, and fascism are inseparable from tyranny.
And for fear vs love and division vs unity. With communism and fascism there is much to fear when living with a tyrannical government. And there will be a clear division -- politically connected people in high places, and everybody else.
Get your mind right....
BlackTerrel
10-18-2009, 07:15 PM
I planned everything. I planned your next move Natalie and eOs. If you break from my plan I will, uhh, amend my plan as to make your actions seem as if I planned them.
I love it when a plan comes together
http://fm.theoffside.com/files/2009/01/hannibal_2.jpg
RedStripe
10-18-2009, 07:20 PM
No, they aren't doing it on purpose. It has a lot more to do with the design of the machine, and a lot less with the motivations and actions of the individual cogs.
I love it when a plan comes together
http://fm.theoffside.com/files/2009/01/hannibal_2.jpg
Me too.
http://14.media.tumblr.com/8pJ8dxjfgqoz3edzfN1QTnfio1_400.jpg
Original_Intent
10-18-2009, 09:03 PM
I don't think "tanking the economy is their goal. It is massive wealth redistribution, not wealth destruction.
And no it is not the Obama Administration - it is the Round table groups that use the CFR and other organizations as fronts. (as if the CFR isn't bad enough).
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