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sofia
10-17-2009, 02:59 PM
After becoming the heroic leader of the anti European Union forces, the Czech president suddenly throws in the towel when there was still some hope of stopping the Lisbon Treaty.

Lisbon Treaty opponents were disappointed and are now demoralized. Soviet Europe is a done deal now for sure!

Beware of hyped political or media figure heads who appear to be on our side......for they could be double agents.


EU Lisbon Treaty to become law within weeks after Czech president concedes defeat
The controversial Lisbon Treaty is set to become law within weeks after the Czech Republic's eurosceptic president conceded his attempt to challenge it was futile.

Vaclav Klaus, the only European Union leader who has still not signed the document, said he could not wait for a British general election next year which could lead to a Tory government and a possible referendum to bury the Treaty.

Mr Klaus said: "The train carrying the treaty is going so fast and it's so far that it can't be stopped or returned, no matter how much some of us would want that."

His remarks devastated Conservative MPs and eurosceptic campaigners who have been clinging to the hope that he might be able to go on delaying ratification of the Treaty until the election next year.

Tory MPs last night called on David Cameron to urgently clarify the party's position on whether it would still offer the British people a referendum.

Mr Klaus, who angered EU partners when he further delayed the ratification process by asking for an opt-out on the treaty earlier this month, said he still did not see the document as a good thing for "freedom in Europe."

But in an interview with the "Lidove noviny" newspaper in the Czech Republic, he said: "I cannot and will not wait for British elections, unless they hold them in the next few days or weeks."

He will, however, have to wait for the verdict of the Czech Constitutional Court on the treaty's compliance with the Czech constitution, which is expected on 27 October.

The Treaty, which brings in closer EU co-operation and streamlines governance in the 27-nation bloc, must be ratified by all EU members to take effect. Ireland voted to ratify the Treaty earlier this month, despite having said No in a previous referendum.

Mr Cameron has repeatedly said that even if the Treaty is ratified he "won't let matters rest there". But he has so far refused to spell out what this would entail, and whether he would still offer a referendum on Lisbon or stage a different attempt to repatriate powers from Brussels.

Philip Hollobone, Conservative MP for Kettering, said Mr Klaus's decision was "hugely disappointing." He said: "Every Conservative voter wanted him to wait 'til the election but the issue of Britain's relationship with Europe is not going to go away.

"If the Treaty completes its ratification process everyone will be expecting clarification of what the Conservative position will be."

Philip Davies, the Conservative MP for Shipley, said there was now little point to a referendum on Lisbon and he called on Mr Cameron to stage a vote instead on repatriating powers from Brussels.

"If the Treaty is fully ratified I have never believed there is any point in having a referendum on it. It would be futile gesture politics. But I think the public do deserve a referendum on our relationship with Europe.

"From my perspective that would ideally be an "in or out" referendum. But what David Cameron could also do is set out clearly which powers he wants to return to Westminster and hold a referendum on that. If the British public supported that he could take that as a negotiating position to the EU."



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/czechrepublic/6358673/EU-Lisbon-Treaty-to-become-law-within-weeks-after-Czech-president-concedes-defeat.html

WClint
10-17-2009, 03:09 PM
Oh well down goes Europe cradle and all. At least dont vote for Tony Blair.

youngbuck
10-17-2009, 03:50 PM
WTF! I had some hope that he'd hold out to the bitter end. This is a serious disappointment :(

Meatwasp
10-17-2009, 04:00 PM
WTF! I had some hope that he'd hold out to the bitter end. This is a serious disappointment :(

I just wasted my admiration for him. I will never learn. NUTS

sofia
10-17-2009, 04:56 PM
I just wasted my admiration for him. I will never learn. NUTS

The NWO gang are masters at this kind of stuff. Whenever opposition to one of their schemes builds up, they will recruit a puppet and place him (via media hype) at the head of their opposition.....Bill Buckley, Newt Gingrich come to mind.

The puppet BECOMES the opposition. At the critical moment, the puppet sells out....leaving his suddenly leaderless followers confused and demoralized.

We should never allow the media to annoint leaders for the liberty movement (Palin, Beck etc) What we need to do is give folks the EDUCATION to back up what they feel in their gut. Armed with the truth, we'll never get suckered by the likes of these double agents.

jfriedman
10-17-2009, 05:01 PM
These globalists like countless other leaders of men before them will soon learn that they cannot alter human nature. Trying to paper over the artificial bubble of fiat-wealth created over the past 40 years can only go on for some long before someone stops the music and asks, "Where's the beef?"

As brilliant as we think we are, we'll just be another chapter in the human experiment.

ScoutsHonor
10-17-2009, 05:46 PM
The NWO gang are masters at this kind of stuff. Whenever opposition to one of their schemes builds up, they will recruit a puppet and place him (via media hype) at the head of their opposition.....Bill Buckley, Newt Gingrich come to mind.

The puppet BECOMES the opposition. At the critical moment, the puppet sells out....leaving his suddenly leaderless followers confused and demoralized.

We should never allow the media to annoint leaders for the liberty movement (Palin, Beck etc) What we need to do is give folks the EDUCATION to back up what they feel in their gut. Armed with the truth, we'll never get suckered by the likes of these double agents.

+1

LibForestPaul
10-17-2009, 06:47 PM
Well, you never quite sure if he was made a deal he couldn't refuse...

Dunedain
10-17-2009, 08:07 PM
I nominate Obama's brother for the presidency over in Europe. Might as well start at the bottom so we can start digging our way out.
http://www.dailycomedy.com/images/jokes/b/2216_0_art.obama.brother.cnn.jpg

hugolp
10-17-2009, 11:03 PM
A european here.

Vackas Klaus is no controlled oposition. What the article does not say is that Cameron, the UK conservative leader has alredy said that he wont do a referendum. He changed his mind after the elections :rolleyes:, so there was no point for Vackas Klaus to hold.

Vackas Klaus deserve respect for all he has done.

silverhandorder
10-17-2009, 11:06 PM
I don't know all the facts but shouldn't we get his side of the story?

tpreitzel
10-17-2009, 11:08 PM
The NWO gang are masters at this kind of stuff. Whenever opposition to one of their schemes builds up, they will recruit a puppet and place him (via media hype) at the head of their opposition.....Bill Buckley, Newt Gingrich come to mind.

The puppet BECOMES the opposition. At the critical moment, the puppet sells out....leaving his suddenly leaderless followers confused and demoralized.

We should never allow the media to annoint leaders for the liberty movement (Palin, Beck etc) What we need to do is give folks the EDUCATION to back up what they feel in their gut. Armed with the truth, we'll never get suckered by the likes of these double agents.

Sad but true.

sofia
10-17-2009, 11:09 PM
I don't know all the facts but shouldn't we get his side of the story?

he quit on his supporters....

he should have fought to the bitter end, even if were only on principle.

No one is holding a gun to his head to sign.

Vessol
10-17-2009, 11:14 PM
No one is holding a gun to his head to sign.

Maybe not literally, but you never know.

hugolp
10-17-2009, 11:31 PM
he quit on his supporters....

he should have fought to the bitter end, even if were only on principle.

No one is holding a gun to his head to sign.

No. The one that quit on the anti-EU was Cameron, the UK conservative leader. Just after the elections he changed his discourse and became pro-EU. The UK referendum was the last oportunity to stop the Lisbon treaty.

There is no point for Klaus on oposing the whole EU and his own goverment now.

hugolp
10-17-2009, 11:34 PM
Here you have Cameron failing to reasure his position about the referendum after the elections. You should blame the one who is at blame in this:

YouTube - Conservative David Cameron - Won't offer a referendum on Lisbon if ratified, Is pro EU. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CAIckO1GeE)

Also, here you have Daniel Hannan admiting that his party leadership is not for a referendum. He says he is for the referendum, but that the leadership is not (again just after the elections).

YouTube - Conservatives weak on Europe - No Referendum promises, just more splits and infighting October 2009 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLzVZa7UwIo)

If you want to blame someone, blame Cameron and the UK conservatives.

talkingpointes
10-18-2009, 04:12 AM
Mr. Klaus what have you done. This guy was hosting symposiums lectured by Ron Paul... WTF. Could he have caved under international pressure?

lodge939
10-18-2009, 04:55 AM
Maybe they had dirt on him.

Austrian Econ Disciple
10-18-2009, 06:30 AM
Why are they against a referendum? The Lisbon Treaty isn't in toto and forever...Oh well. I could care less what the Europeans do. Europe wouldn't know what liberty is if it bit them in the damn nose. Let them suffer.

PS: Why the fuck are we still subsidizing their damn countries with our military bases? Get our men, material, and money the fuck out of there. Let individual companies and corporations conduct free-trade with whoever they want.

Austrian Econ Disciple
10-18-2009, 06:34 AM
Here you have Cameron failing to reasure his position about the referendum after the elections. You should blame the one who is at blame in this:

YouTube - Conservative David Cameron - Won't offer a referendum on Lisbon if ratified, Is pro EU. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CAIckO1GeE)

Also, here you have Daniel Hannan admiting that his party leadership is not for a referendum. He says he is for the referendum, but that the leadership is not (again just after the elections).

YouTube - Conservatives weak on Europe - No Referendum promises, just more splits and infighting October 2009 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLzVZa7UwIo)

If you want to blame someone, blame Cameron and the UK conservatives.

So.....you can continuosly vote and vote and vote on it, in Ireland's case, even after NO, but you can't re-vote on it, after Yes? Ok....

Lovecraftian4Paul
10-18-2009, 11:23 AM
The only hope to stop the EU is enough Eastern Europeans getting their act together. It's sad that they are being integrated into it, only enjoying sovereignty for about fifteen years after they threw off Soviet domination. Hopefully, enough of them will soon see that the EU is just a more benevolent flavor of socialist tyranny.