"Crossing Over" Great political movie I just watched, recommending to everyone here

[Reason]

"Crossing Over" Great political movie I just watched, recommending to everyone here

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0924129/

Harrison Ford does a great job in it.

Does a very good job of putting the human face on our immigration issues that we sometimes forget have a profound effect on millions of families just like our own families.

Assuming the majority of this forum has legal status I think while it's obvious our policies are in dire need of comprehensive reform we sometimes forget to take a step back and realize how lucky we are to have been born with citizenship or be afforded the opportunity to gain it so easily.

Without getting into a theological debate I would say it's safe to guess it was mere luck that we were born on this particular land mass.

I am agnostic

&

I am thankful.

~It's a good movie, check it out~

YouTube - Crossing Over - Official Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDJZem3mq2M)

[Dunedain]

The movie is an attempt to give a platform for those that violate our national sovereignty. 3rd world immigrants = good, our nations laws = bad. Typical for Hollywood and the MSM junk media.

Lots of arguments that compare our laws to Nazi Germany. Harrison Ford works for the "Gestapo" immigration service for example.

[Reason]

The movie is an attempt to give a platform for those that violate our national sovereignty. 3rd world immigrants = good, our nations laws = bad. Typical for Hollywood and the MSM junk media.

Lots of arguments that compare our laws to Nazi Germany. Harrison Ford works for the "Gestapo" immigration service for example.

I guess your /dice roll worked out great for you so fuck everyone else.

I wonder how many nights you would have to stare at your children as they wasted away from hunger before you jumped a fence for a better job?

a week? a month? would you let them die?

There is nothing wrong with remembering that this issue is centered around human beings; not just some political concept we can debate callously without regard.

I live here in San Diego and have a family relative that is in charge of the entire ATV division of the Border Patrol.

He is very disillusioned as are many border patrol agents, they tell themselves they don't care about the people looking for work, they tell themselves they are out there stopping possible terrorists.

That's what happens when you find the dead bodies of woman and children in the desert that wanted nothing more than a decent job.

It's sad.

Should we have a solid border? Yes.

Is it going to happen? No.

Do we need to reform immigration and employment policy? Yes.

[Rael]

I guess your /dice roll worked out great for you so fuck everyone else.



Umm, that's capitalism.

[Reason]

Umm, that's capitalism.

to me capitalism is synonymous with entrepreneur

[Vessol]

Umm, that's capitalism.

No it isn't.

Capitalism is letting the free market work itself.

Capitalism is not being lucky to be born into a prosperous nation.

I'm with Civil.

People bitch about immigrants taking jobs. But in a free market economy, wouldn't the market correct itself in order to take on those new workers and expand the market, creating more jobs?

[risk_reward]

Umm, that's capitalism.

Since when does capitalism involve government seizing productive assets and preventing their use? That is not capitalism, maybe you are confusing it with fascism or socialism or some other market destroying ism.

[sofia]

I guess your /dice roll worked out great for you so fuck everyone else.

I wonder how many nights you would have to stare at your children as they wasted away from hunger before you jumped a fence for a better job?

a week? a month? would you let them die?

There is nothing wrong with remembering that this issue is centered around human beings; not just some political concept we can debate callously without regard.

I live here in San Diego and have a family relative that is in charge of the entire ATV division of the Border Patrol.

He is very disillusioned as are many border patrol agents, they tell themselves they don't care about the people looking for work, they tell themselves they are out there stopping possible terrorists.

That's what happens when you find the dead bodies of woman and children in the desert that wanted nothing more than a decent job.

It's sad.

Should we have a solid border? Yes.

Is it going to happen? No.

Do we need to reform immigration and employment policy? Yes.

If the lifeboat is already full, it is foolish to paddle back towards the sinking ship to pick up more passengers.

[Reason]

If the lifeboat is already full, it is foolish to paddle back towards the sinking ship to pick up more passengers.

vague analogy is vague

explain what it meant to you please

[youngbuck]

vague analogy is vague

explain what it meant to you please

Too many people in life boat = life boat sink

[Reason]

Too many people in life boat = life boat sink

yeah... wondering how he is seeing it in his head in terms of the relevance to this thread topic.

:cool:

[AuH20]

It makes perfect sense. Let the oppressed from Latin America & Mexico come here in mass numbers and accelerate the transformation of the dying republic into a fully operational liberal 'utopia.' Great idea guys! I'm glad you have your eyes on the ball. Maybe someday we can exchange phone numbers at the reconditioning centers. ;):D

[AuH20]

I'm absolutely astonished by the findings of this poll! Mexicans being loyal to Mexico?!??!? How is this possible? Ergo they must have little regard for the U.S. Constitution if their loyalties lie somewhere else. Just a 'minor' leap of logic on my part.


http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/55496


CNSNews.com) - Nearly 70 percent of Mexicans surveyed said that Mexican-Americans – including those born in the United States – owe their primary loyalty to Mexico, not the U.S., according to a Zogby poll commissioned by the Center for Immigration Studies.

The in-person poll, taken during August and September, sampled 1,004 Mexicans across the country on subjects related to illegal immigration and amnesty in the United States.

I'm sorry but the situation is so dire, that we cannot attempt to save the world, when we're drowning ourselves.

[AuH20]

No it isn't.

Capitalism is letting the free market work itself.

Capitalism is not being lucky to be born into a prosperous nation.

I'm with Civil.

People bitch about immigrants taking jobs. But in a free market economy, wouldn't the market correct itself in order to take on those new workers and expand the market, creating more jobs?

However, that's a completely moot point. We haven't had a free market economy for nearly 100 years. We have a welfare state which buttresses the entire immigration 'market.'

[Reason]

bump

[apropos]

I guess your /dice roll worked out great for you so fuck everyone else.

I wonder how many nights you would have to stare at your children as they wasted away from hunger before you jumped a fence for a better job?

a week? a month? would you let them die?

There is nothing wrong with remembering that this issue is centered around human beings; not just some political concept we can debate callously without regard.

Where, then, are your harsh words for Mexico's immigration policy? Let's take a look at what they have south of the border. From the General Population Law:


The Department of the Interior may deny to foreigners the entrance into the country or a change in immigration status for any of the following reasons:

I. "When there is no international reciprocity."

II. "When the national demographic equilibrium demands it."

III. "When the quotas referred to in Article 32 of this law don’t permit it."

IV. "When it is considered harmful to the economic interests of Mexicans."

(Shouldn’t we also limit immigration if it’s harmful to the economic interests of ordinary Americans?)

V. When they (the immigrants) have broken the laws of Mexico or have criminal antecedents abroad.

VI. When they have broken this [immigration] law, its regulations or other applicable administrative orders in the matter, or if they don’t comply with the established requirements.

VII. If they are not physically or mentally healthy in the judgment of the health authority, or are prevented by other legal orders.

And finally, Article 38 states that:


"The Department of the Interior is authorized to suspend or forbid the admission of foreigners, when it is determined to be in the national interest."

Mexico's system is carefully designed to keep out poor people and to differentiate between citizens and non-citizens and even native born Mexicans and naturalized Mexicans. There are no sanctuary cities there, nor are there massive protests by illegal immigrants for citizenship. Where are your admonishments?

I don't see you writing too many hysteria-laden posts about that, so save us your argument that American is morally obligated to adopt open-borders immigration policies when no other country is expected or even asked to do that.

You talk about how this issue is centered around human beings, but what of the desires and expectations of those human beings that are legal American citizens. Polls consistently oppose illegal immigration. Where is your sympathy for the human beings who don't want illegal aliens flooding the country?

The irony of your assertion, that this is just some political concept callously debated, is that your attitudes are in fact callous toward those who simply don't share your beliefs.