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qh4dotcom
10-14-2009, 09:41 PM
YouTube - Police Brutality and Peoples Reaction a MUST SEE!!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8p1TGz_bBk)

Mike4Freedom
10-14-2009, 10:03 PM
It looks like they got sick of what was going on. I can promise that cop wont get excessive again.

Paulitical Correctness
10-14-2009, 10:06 PM
Does it make them any better, though?

People turn into animals real quick..

qh4dotcom
10-14-2009, 10:20 PM
Does it make them any better, though?

People turn into animals real quick..

If people turned into animals really quick more often, the tea partiers, town hall angry constituents and protesters would have been more violent...most people just don't gave the guts.

BenIsForRon
10-14-2009, 10:35 PM
If people turned into animals really quick more often, the tea partiers, town hall angry constituents and protesters would have been more violent...most people just don't gave the guts.

Violence is NOT GOOD! Have you ever hear Dr. Paul talk about non-violence?

Violence at town halls would be a GREAT excuse for the national government to bring in the national guard. And society would accept it, because the crazy violent town haller's can't control themselves

Austrian Econ Disciple
10-14-2009, 10:39 PM
Violence is NOT GOOD! Have you ever hear Dr. Paul talk about non-violence?

Violence at town halls would be a GREAT excuse for the national government to bring in the national guard. And society would accept it, because the crazy violent town haller's can't control themselves

What happens if the current town hall, tea partiers, liberty lovers fail politically? Do we roll over? There may very well be one day where violence is needed, at least defensively. The American Revolution only happened after political means failed them, should they have just accepted their fate? Hell no. (Remember, the Revolution started defensively, in Concord and Lexington. Once it starts though, there's only two scenarios; Win or Lose. Losing is not an option.)

qh4dotcom
10-14-2009, 10:45 PM
Violence is NOT GOOD! Have you ever hear Dr. Paul talk about non-violence?

Violence at town halls would be a GREAT excuse for the national government to bring in the national guard. And society would accept it, because the crazy violent town haller's can't control themselves

True...anyway I was not advocating violence....just trying to explain why People don't turn into animals real quick like someone else said.

BenIsForRon
10-14-2009, 10:53 PM
True...anyway I was not advocating violence....just trying to explain why People don't turn into animals real quick like someone else said.

Ok, I was referring to your comment "they don't have the guts". I see it more as they have the brains to remain civil.


What happens if the current town hall, tea partiers, liberty lovers fail politically? Do we roll over? There may very well be one day where violence is needed, at least defensively. The American Revolution only happened after political means failed them, should they have just accepted their fate? Hell no. (Remember, the Revolution started defensively, in Concord and Lexington. Once it starts though, there's only two scenarios; Win or Lose. Losing is not an option.)

I'm not saying we shouldn't defend ourselves. I'm saying that there is still an incredible amount we can accomplish politically, and violence undermines all that when it is not in self defense.

BlackTerrel
10-14-2009, 10:55 PM
I like this one more :)

YouTube - CNN reporter gets mobbed at Wembley (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDJtKCMV57U)

Arklatex
10-14-2009, 11:27 PM
I believe in no violence also, but if a force gets violent they deserve a violent response. If we didn't stand up for ourselves there would be no freedom and no USA. Hell even Paul looked like he was about to clock Bruno. =)

Reason
10-15-2009, 12:37 AM
Let us be very careful here.

This movement is peaceful and will remain so.


~


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

The Kent State shootings, also known as the May 4 massacre or Kent-State massacre,[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings#cite_note-npr2005-1)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings#cite_note-ryan2007-2)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings#cite_note-warcamehome-3) occurred at Kent State University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_University) in the city of Kent, Ohio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent,_Ohio), and involved the shooting of unarmed college students by members of the Ohio National Guard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_Army_National_Guard) on Monday, May 4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_4), 1970 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970). The guardsmen fired 67 rounds over a period of 13 seconds, killing four students and wounding nine others, one of whom suffered permanent paralysis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paralysis).[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings#cite_note-4)
Some of the students who were shot had been protesting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protest) against the American invasion of Cambodia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_Incursion), which President (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States) Richard Nixon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Nixon) announced in a television address on April 30 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_30). However, other students who were shot had merely been walking nearby or observing the protest from a distance.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings#cite_note-5)[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings#cite_note-6)

"I don't care whether you've never listened to anyone before in your lives. I am begging you right now. If you don't disperse right now, they're going to move in, and it can only be a slaughter. Would you please listen to me? Jesus Christ, I don't want to be a part of this...!"[22] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings#cite_note-21) After 20 minutes of speaking, the students left the Commons, as ambulance personnel tended to the wounded, and the Guard left the area.

http://digitalrhetor.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/kent-famousphoto.jpg

Casualties

Killed (and approximate distance from the National Guard):


Jeffrey Glenn Miller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Miller); 20, 265 ft (81 m) shot through the mouth - killed instantly
Allison B. Krause (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allison_Krause); 19, 343 ft (105 m) fatal left chest wound
William Knox Schroeder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Knox_Schroeder); 19, 382 ft (116 m) fatal chest wound
Sandra Lee Scheuer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandra_Scheuer); 20, 390 ft (120 m) fatal neck wound

Wounded (and approximate distance from the National Guard):


Joseph Lewis Jr. 71 ft (22 m); hit twice in the right abdomen and left lower leg
John R. Cleary 110 ft (34 m); upper left chest wound
Thomas Mark Grace 225 ft (69 m); struck in left ankle
Alan Michael Canfora (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Canfora) 225 ft (69 m); hit in his right wrist
Dean R. Kahler 300 ft (91 m); back wound fracturing the vertebrae - permanently paralyzed from the chest down
Douglas Alan Wrentmore 329 ft (100 m); hit in his right knee
James Dennis Russell 375 ft (114 m); hit in his right thigh from a bullet and in the right forehead by birdshot - both wounds minor {died 2007}
Robert Follis Stamps 495 ft (151 m); hit in his right buttock {died June 11, 2008}
Donald Scott MacKenzie 750 ft (230 m); neck wound

newbitech
10-15-2009, 12:58 AM
I like this one more :)

YouTube - CNN reporter gets mobbed at Wembley (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDJtKCMV57U)

that made me lol. :D:D:D

Dieseler
10-15-2009, 01:04 AM
COME WIT IT NOW!
YouTube - Bulls On Parade - Rage Against The Machine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-58-36lSqG4)

Liberty_Tree
10-15-2009, 03:34 AM
If they attack us, we attack back.

Brian4Liberty
10-15-2009, 10:04 AM
Violence is NOT GOOD! Have you ever hear Dr. Paul talk about non-violence?


Exactly!

That video is an excellent example of how the "bad" guy gets away and the "good" guy gets beaten. Didn't anyone notice that the "bad" guard that was hitting the guy with his baton was the first one to run away at full speed? The "good" guard that stopped the bad guard was the one that got beaten. Did anyone actually pay close attention?

Promontorium
10-15-2009, 01:06 PM
That video is an excellent example of how the "bad" guy gets away and the "good" guy gets beaten. Didn't anyone notice that the "bad" guard that was hitting the guy with his baton was the first one to run away at full speed? The "good" guard that stopped the bad guard was the one that got beaten. Did anyone actually pay close attention?

I did see that the man using the baton ran away and avoided the swarm. But I wouldn't call any of the others the "good" guy. One of them seemed like he was telling the guy to stop jabbing with the baton, but the guy goes ahead and keeps jabbing away, and the guy doesn't do or say anything after that.


I always wondered what the hell that chick at Kent State was doing there. She was runaway, so there's no way she was a student. I figured she was living with a much older boyfriend who had no moral compunction. Also, Kent State has absolutely nothing to do with this soccer video.

OP you are completely wrong. Resorting to violence is not an act of bravery. Protesters are not cowards for not committing violence.

Let's look at this soccer example.

The security took down this guy in clear view of everyone. They had more people on him than I've ever imagined was possible for a detainment. I personally have been trained as law enforcement and I thought the sheer numbers was enough, as each one of those mean could pin a limb and the head. There's no way that guy had a hope in hell of escaping.

Now, he can't escape, his crime is probably no more punishable than a infraction (but that's only a guess) he definitely wasn't a violent criminal before they tackled him.

Obviously we can't see him, so he might be biting and spitting and punching, but it is because we can't see him, that I know he still wasn't a threat. THEY HAD FOUR GUYS ON HIM. Refer back to "no way in hell". Acting as proper law enforcement, there is no need for violence, because they already have overwhelming force pinning him to the ground.

Now, I have made a quick judgement that their treatment was improper, and I don't see that that man had any intention of ceasing his baton strikes. I mean, if a crowd of thousands, 3 of your buddies holding him down, and a minor offense isn't enough to keep you from going on an unlimited baton rampage, this man would probably beat a baby for crying.

So, what should have been done? I think the best thing wouldn't have been violence, but an overwhelming peaceful response. The same advantage the security had over one man, which they ruined with excessive force, the crowd had over the security, and they too ruined it with excessive force.

I would say at the most, if a vocal appeal to reason, an appeal to any and all present officials fell on deaf ears, I would advocate physically just picking up the security officer who was using the baton, and taking him away from his punching bag victim.

I would have preferred almost anything but an entire crowd beating those officers. I do agree however that injustice shouldn't be tolerated.

erowe1
10-15-2009, 01:12 PM
Are these police government agents or private police who are acting as agents of the owner of the property that is being trespassed here?

sofia
10-15-2009, 02:26 PM
Violence is NOT GOOD! Have you ever hear Dr. Paul talk about non-violence?



America was founded by a violent revolution. To think that America will escape from the clutches of international socialism by doing sit-ins is beyond naive.

JeNNiF00F00
10-15-2009, 02:27 PM
I believe the only cure for 1984 is 1776.

erowe1
10-15-2009, 02:33 PM
America was founded by a violent revolution. To think that America will escape from the clutches of international socialism by doing sit-ins in beyond naive.

The question of whether we are more free now in this nation that was conceived by that violent revolution than we would have been had it never happened is an open question in my book. We are certainly under far greater tyranny today than our forefathers were prior to that revolution, and also have far less freedom than some British colonies, Hong Kong in particular, had until quite recently.

And America's revolution is not the only historical precedent. The French Revolution was also supposedly for the sake of liberty, but turned into the exact opposite.

I won't say that a violent revolution can never do any good. But I'm not optimistic about what the results would be if we had another one here.

But I do agree about the futility of sit-ins.

Brian4Liberty
10-15-2009, 02:39 PM
One of them seemed like he was telling the guy to stop jabbing with the baton, but the guy goes ahead and keeps jabbing away, and the guy doesn't do or say anything after that.

It seemed pretty obvious to me that at :22, the one guy tells the other guy to quit, and the other guy gives one more poke, and then stops. The riot was caused by that guy that was hitting him, and that guy ran away like a little girl. The crowd got the wrong person.

Jordan
10-15-2009, 02:46 PM
It may be a distorted opinion, but I believe the first video clearly demonstrates that the "empowered" minority has its power only by the consent of the majority.