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bobbyw24
10-05-2009, 05:37 AM
GOP leaders to Steele: Back off
By: Manu Raju and Jonathan Martin
October 5, 2009 04:53 AM EST

GOP leaders, in a private meeting last month, delivered a blunt and at times heated message to RNC Chairman Michael Steele: quit meddling in policy.

The plea was made during what was supposed to be a routine discussion about polling matters and other priorities in House Minority Leader John Boehner’s office. But the session devolved into a heated discussion about the roles of congressional leadership and Steele, according to multiple people familiar with the meeting.

The congressional leaders were particularly miffed that Steele had in late August unveiled a seniors’ “health care bill of rights” without consulting with them. The statement of health care principles, outlined in a Washington Post op-ed, began with a robust defense of Medicare that puzzled some in a party not known for its attachment to entitlements.

Elected Republicans urged Steele to focus on the governors’ races in New Jersey and Virginia and other political matters, such as fundraising, rather than on attempting to establish party policy.

Steele was taken aback by the comments from Boehner, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.), Senate GOP conference Chairman Lamar Alexander of Tennessee and Senate GOP policy Chairman John Thune of South Dakota and grew defensive during the 10-minute discussion, according to two people in the room.

The RNC, according to one source, was planning to roll out more policy initiatives.

Steele said he was getting asked during his travels around the country where the GOP stood on a range of issues and that he wanted to respond to these questions.

And at one point, Steele, a Washington native, said that his upbringing in the “streets” made him a fighter and that he was determined to continue fighting and aggressively defending the party, according to two people familiar with the account.

Alexander, who initiated the discussion and, sources say, was the most uneasy about Steele’s crafting policy, told POLITICO that he spoke to Steele last weekend about the matter and that the congressional leadership and the RNC chairman are now all on the same page.

“We had a good discussion,” Alexander said. “I think what he’s trying to do is correct. He’s trying to focus what he says on the threat that these health care bills have to seniors. And we wanted to make sure that the policy that he was talking about — that the policy was developed by the Congress. And I had a good conversation with Michael after our meeting, and I’m perfectly satisfied that that’s what he’s doing.”


Alexander said the “point” of the discussion was that the GOP leaders should be the ones driving the policy.

The discussion, sources said, did not touch on the merits of the “health care bill of rights” — just on whether it should have been coming out of the RNC.

“We are elected to set the policy,” Alexander said. “But in my view, the national committee’s job is to create the environment in which Republicans can be elected to set policy. Michael Steele said that was exactly his point of view, so I think we see eye to eye on it.”

Asked if the conversation was heated, Alexander said: “It was a good discussion. Both of us are grown-ups and are experienced in politics, and I don’t think either one of us has thought very much about it.”

RNC officials declined to make Steele available for an interview.

“Closed-door meetings are closed-door meetings” is all party communications director Trevor Francis would say. But Steele allies say that the bill of rights was crafted in consultation with the GOP’s House and Senate leaders.

And they note that contentious meetings between party leaders are nothing new.

“So what?” said one Steele ally. “He has meetings with the leadership regularly; sometimes everyone agrees, and sometimes they don’t. You always have a little bit of tension. Everyone’s turf-conscious of everyone.”

There are larger issues at hand, though, beyond a tense exchange over strategy. Since Steele took over the party earlier this year, congressional leaders and their staff have often cringed at the voluble chairman’s gaffes and rolled their eyes at his unambiguous view that he alone leads the party.

“He’s on a short leash here,” said one top House GOP leadership aide.

At the same time, Steele and his backers can be annoyed at what they

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/27898.html

cheapseats
10-05-2009, 06:48 AM
GOP leaders to Steele: Back off
By: Manu Raju and Jonathan Martin
October 5, 2009 04:53 AM EST

GOP leaders, in a private meeting last month, delivered a blunt and at times heated message to RNC Chairman Michael Steele: quit meddling in policy.

The plea was made during what was supposed to be a routine discussion about polling matters and other priorities in House Minority Leader John Boehner’s office. But the session devolved into a heated discussion about the roles of congressional leadership and Steele, according to multiple people familiar with the meeting.

The congressional leaders were particularly miffed that Steele had in late August unveiled a seniors’ “health care bill of rights” without consulting with them. The statement of health care principles, outlined in a Washington Post op-ed, began with a robust defense of Medicare that puzzled some in a party not known for its attachment to entitlements.

Elected Republicans urged Steele to focus on the governors’ races in New Jersey and Virginia and other political matters, such as fundraising, rather than on attempting to establish party policy.

Steele was taken aback by the comments from Boehner, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.), Senate GOP conference Chairman Lamar Alexander of Tennessee and Senate GOP policy Chairman John Thune of South Dakota and grew defensive during the 10-minute discussion, according to two people in the room.

The RNC, according to one source, was planning to roll out more policy initiatives.

Steele said he was getting asked during his travels around the country where the GOP stood on a range of issues and that he wanted to respond to these questions.

And at one point, Steele, a Washington native, said that his upbringing in the “streets” made him a fighter and that he was determined to continue fighting and aggressively defending the party, according to two people familiar with the account.

Alexander, who initiated the discussion and, sources say, was the most uneasy about Steele’s crafting policy, told POLITICO that he spoke to Steele last weekend about the matter and that the congressional leadership and the RNC chairman are now all on the same page.

“We had a good discussion,” Alexander said. “I think what he’s trying to do is correct. He’s trying to focus what he says on the threat that these health care bills have to seniors. And we wanted to make sure that the policy that he was talking about — that the policy was developed by the Congress. And I had a good conversation with Michael after our meeting, and I’m perfectly satisfied that that’s what he’s doing.”


Alexander said the “point” of the discussion was that the GOP leaders should be the ones driving the policy.

The discussion, sources said, did not touch on the merits of the “health care bill of rights” — just on whether it should have been coming out of the RNC.

“We are elected to set the policy,” Alexander said. “But in my view, the national committee’s job is to create the environment in which Republicans can be elected to set policy. Michael Steele said that was exactly his point of view, so I think we see eye to eye on it.”

Asked if the conversation was heated, Alexander said: “It was a good discussion. Both of us are grown-ups and are experienced in politics, and I don’t think either one of us has thought very much about it.”

RNC officials declined to make Steele available for an interview.

“Closed-door meetings are closed-door meetings” is all party communications director Trevor Francis would say. But Steele allies say that the bill of rights was crafted in consultation with the GOP’s House and Senate leaders.

And they note that contentious meetings between party leaders are nothing new.

“So what?” said one Steele ally. “He has meetings with the leadership regularly; sometimes everyone agrees, and sometimes they don’t. You always have a little bit of tension. Everyone’s turf-conscious of everyone.”

There are larger issues at hand, though, beyond a tense exchange over strategy. Since Steele took over the party earlier this year, congressional leaders and their staff have often cringed at the voluble chairman’s gaffes and rolled their eyes at his unambiguous view that he alone leads the party.

“He’s on a short leash here,” said one top House GOP leadership aide.

At the same time, Steele and his backers can be annoyed at what they

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/27898.html

THIS is the invitation-only party that lower case libertarians imagine they are "infiltrating" and "restoring."

erowe1
10-05-2009, 06:55 AM
Haha. Boehner and McConnell got mad at Steele for beating them to the punch in expressing their pro-entitlement thinking.

fisharmor
10-05-2009, 07:02 AM
Alexander said the “point” of the discussion was that the GOP leaders should be the ones driving the policy.

Right... and as long as they continue to shut out the people, they can expect to continue to lose.


The discussion, sources said, did not touch on the merits of the “health care bill of rights” — just on whether it should have been coming out of the RNC.

Right, because God forbid we consider the merits of a policy, as opposed to simply whether or not we think it will get us reelected.


RNC officials declined to make Steele available for an interview....

“He’s on a short leash here,” said one top House GOP leadership aide.

Does anyone else see what's going on here?
There is one, and only one reason why Michael Steele is in such a prominent position in the party, and it ain't his intellectual rigor or ability to win his races.
Unfortunately, having an authentic black guy in the party necessarily means having a socialist in the party.
Socialism isn't selling that well right now, so they have to keep the animal on a short leash. For F(*$s sake, at least he's being principled in his socialism.

Why does the Republican party even try this crap? They could try to get principled guys like Walter Williams or Thomas Sowell, but they'd never get the black vote because they're oreos. And having this Steele guy around might get one or two black votes, but he's injecting crap into the party ideology, which means they're losing the white vote.

The more I learn about this situation, the more it seems like the Republicans are intentionally trying to self destruct!

cheapseats
10-05-2009, 07:31 AM
The more I learn about this situation, the more it seems like the Republicans are intentionally trying to self destruct!

Does anyone actually think they didn't throw the LAST election? I'll grant that Obamamania went overboard, by Elite calculations, but . . . c'mon. They fielded a Ken-doll-look-alike Mormon, a philandering cross-dresser who married his cousin, a guitar-pickin' joke-makin' corn-pone preacher, a philandering loose canon with a Budweiser heiress Trophy Wife, philandering Fred Thompson with HIS Trophy Wife and, with due respect, five-percenter Ron Paul.

The financial wreckage of the Bush Administration was gonna fall on, theoretically, a hapless one-term president . . . preferably a black or a woman.

The rigor with which Republicans will pursue the presidency will be determined by economic prognosis, I feel certain. If it looks to be another shitty four years, maybe they'll just give Backroom Barack enough rope to hang himself and his party for the next eight, even 16, years.

There is a Magical Thinking component to this, the same one that afflicts office-seekers and office-seeker-supporters, specifically the assumption that whatever/all that is "accomplished" during one reign can be undone in another. There's just no getting the toothpaste back in the tube, y'know?

Consider how many people, come 2012, will have Backroom Barack to thank FOR THEIR JOBS. Four or ten months of unemployment, squeaking by living on rapidly dwindling savings, followed by a JOB -- nevermind that the pay is funnier and funnier money -- will make a convert out of many a person. Particularly if voting for another would jeopardize the new-read-that-contrived employment.

justinc.1089
10-05-2009, 09:10 AM
Does anyone actually think they didn't throw the LAST election? I'll grant that Obamamania went overboard, by Elite calculations, but . . . c'mon. They fielded a Ken-doll-look-alike Mormon, a philandering cross-dresser who married his cousin, a guitar-pickin' joke-makin' corn-pone preacher, a philandering loose canon with a Budweiser heiress Trophy Wife, philandering Fred Thompson with HIS Trophy Wife and, with due respect, five-percenter Ron Paul.

The financial wreckage of the Bush Administration was gonna fall on, theoretically, a hapless one-term president . . . preferably a black or a woman.

The rigor with which Republicans will pursue the presidency will be determined by economic prognosis, I feel certain. If it looks to be another shitty four years, maybe they'll just give Backroom Barack enough rope to hang himself and his party for the next eight, even 16, years.

There is a Magical Thinking component to this, the same one that afflicts office-seekers and office-seeker-supporters, specifically the assumption that whatever/all that is "accomplished" during one reign can be undone in another. There's just no getting the toothpaste back in the tube, y'know?

Consider how many people, come 2012, will have Backroom Barack to thank FOR THEIR JOBS. Four or ten months of unemployment, squeaking by living on rapidly dwindling savings, followed by a JOB -- nevermind that the pay is funnier and funnier money -- will make a convert out of many a person. Particularly if voting for another would jeopardize the new-read-that-contrived employment.

Lol those were funny descriptions. I really doubt the party planned to lose the election if thats really what you mean though. If they did, and they're all that connected with each other, we're in for a ton of trouble.

cheapseats
10-05-2009, 09:13 AM
Lol those were funny descriptions. I really doubt the party planned to lose the election if thats really what you mean though. If they did, and they're all that connected with each other, we're in for a ton of trouble.

THAT is bankable.

Aratus
10-05-2009, 10:01 AM
michael steele is to the centrist right as michael moore is to the centrist left???
right now the DNC wants a clamp on moore as the G.0.P snarls N0 G0 to steele?

Bucjason
10-05-2009, 10:57 AM
Micheal Steele just gained some points in my book if he is pissing off the current governing elite of the G.O.P....