The Holy Grail of Converting Pro-War Republicans to Ron Paul

[BarryDonegan]

i've been working on showing my stepdad the ron paul message and i stumbled across what i think is the single most effective thing to show someone who comes from that perspective.

first off, hes in his 40s and Reagan was the first republican he voted for, during the excitement era of the republican party and has voted for them ever since.

Reagan to him is no longer a human being and is now some sort of deific type figure, and i showed him the beginning part of the "a time for choosing" speech.

i didn't show him any of the ones that are packaged with ron paul slogans because they seem cherry picked and it doesn't have the same impact.

but the critical thing here is the MSM has connected Vietnam and Iraq irrevocably. The secret weapon here is when Ronald Reagan uses Vietnam as an example of the evils of a secret socialist plot to overtake the original intent of the founding fathers.

This critical moment clicks over in his head in the sense that it sounds IDENTICAL to Ron Paul's position on Iraq.

this speech sounds like a Ron Paul speech from a week ago.

im serious in that my stepdad looked dizzy the rest of the night after watching this video. it just lulls you into the golden reagan voice, talking about small government virtues, and just when you stop paying attention... BAM, 2 minutes in, an anti-vietnam statement that simply makes it click.

i really urge that a ron paul supporter show this to your sortof neoconned friends who idolize reagan, without the thomas jefferson quotes or ron paul stuff cut in. just seeing ron pauls message come out of reagan's mouth is more powerful to them. try it out if your at an empasse. im pretty sure this is the beginning part of his famous speech endorsing barry goldwater... the vietnam statement i think is a minute and a half in.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4770988975023965161

Audio only:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHoOfcFM33c

[hard@work]

That truly is one of the best libertarian speaches Reagan ever made. I'll start posting it in all my rebuttals against the neocons.

[0zzy]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4770988975023965161&q=A+TIME+FOR+CHOOSING&total=1027&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3

^video

[BarryDonegan]

yeah, its almost better if you just posted it AS the reply.

haha. and didn't say anything else.

theyd be like "why is this guy posting a reagan video" then as they watch....

[OptionsTrader]

Video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1777069922535499977

[richard1984]

Awesome.
This is a really great speech (and it sounds so contemporary!).
I'll put this to work right away!

Thank you! :D

[ClayTrainor]

wow richard man, great job finding this.

I intend to shut a few people up, that ive had arguments with and i think this video is the tool to do it.

i hate how alot of the neo-cons quote Reagan all the time yet, they go against almost everything he stood for.

Great Speech!!!

[richard1984]

wow richard man, great job finding this.

I didn't find it, bro. Barry did. :D

[BarryDonegan]

all us tennesseans look alike

[yoshimaroka]

Unbelievable.
GWB doubled the size of the department of education, yet in this video and later on, Reagan wanted to get rid of it.

[richard1984]

all us tennesseans look alike

real good lookin'. so perdy it'll blind ya. :D

[ClayTrainor]

I didn't find it, bro. Barry did. :D

wow, im such a fool, hahaha


thanks barry :)

[mavtek]

Greatness! Thank you, just emailed to all my meetup people!

[Shellshock1918]

This is a really good video of that speech.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s06YhQyv3w

Its edited it up to sell it to pro-bush republicans.

[RJB]

innocently post this on http://forums.hannity.com/index.php and other neocon forums.

[DrNoZone]

What a great speech! I just posted it to the Dr. No! Zone blog (http://www.drnozone.com). Any chance someone has the video file of this? I'd like to add it to a DVD I'm working on.

[BarryDonegan]

i don't like the edited one because they edited out the vietnam comment, thats the epicenter of the whole thing when comparing it now to iraq.

[BLS]

Man, this is EXCELLENT STUFF!!!

[JosephTheLibertarian]

bump for usefulness

[EvoPro]

excellent speech. I've heard the "only an up and a down" part already. But the whole thing makes it that much better. I will be showing it to my dad who loved reagan.

[1000-points-of-fright]

Most of it is good, but watch out for the last 5 minutes. Neocons will use that as proof that the war on terror is righteous.

[kylebrotherton]

Most of it is good, but watch out for the last 5 minutes. Neocons will use that as proof that the war on terror is righteous.

"Admittedly there is a risk in any course we follow other than this, but every lesson in history tells us that the greater risk lies in appeasement, and this is the specter our well-meaning liberal friends refuse to face--that their policy of accommodation is appeasement, and it gives no choice between peace and war, only between fight and surrender. If we continue to accommodate, continue to back and retreat, eventually we have to face the final demand--the ultimatum. And what then? When Nikita Khrushchev has told his people he knows what our answer will be? He has told them that we are retreating under the pressure of the Cold War, and someday when the time comes to deliver the ultimatum, our surrender will be voluntary because by that time we will have weakened from within spiritually, morally, and economically. He believes this because from our side he has heard voices pleading for "peace at any price" or "better Red than dead," or as one commentator put it, he would rather "live on his knees than die on his feet." And therein lies the road to war, because those voices don't speak for the rest of us. You and I know and do not believe that life is so dear and peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery."

[Craig_R]

this speech was posted on the daily paul by retro republican months ago, I've been using it since then.

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/1429

[TooConservative]

all us tennesseans look alike
Yeah but the rest of us are too polite to discuss your gene pool in public.

[terlinguatx]

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[shadowhooch]

Most of it is good, but watch out for the last 5 minutes. Neocons will use that as proof that the war on terror is righteous.

Agreed. I think the parts about govt intervention and obeying the constitution fit Ron Paul to a tee.

But the parts about "peace through strength" and we must fight out of "duty" and not appease our enemies may reinforce the neocon position. I'm not sure Ronald Reagan would be on Ron Paul's side of the war. Let me know if you interpreted it differently.

The part about Vietnam at 2:00 is kind of vague. I'm not sure what his point was. Any thoughts? I thought he was saying that we need to unite as a country behind our troops instead of letting others die for us while others cry for peace. I don't know. Please provide thoughts.....

[EvoPro]

I interpreted the last 5 minutes as to have a strong military so that when the time comes we can woop ass. He is saying only go to war when it's a defensive war.

Iraq is definitely an offensive war. Capturing terrorists in afghanistan was the defensive part, which we should have done right and even gone covertly into pakistan.

[BarryDonegan]

all the defensive war statements in that were in reference to communism.

he, however, definately opposed vietnam in that speech, which is more relative to iraq.

[mikelovesgod]

Someone with video editing skils should make a compilation video with this and some of ron paul's speeches that talk about similar things. alternate between reagan and paul every few lines. you could call it "ronald paul". or just try to get the ronald regan video floating around as many corporate listeserves as possible with subjects like "ronald reagan for veteran ron paul"

*** Everyone should read what you just wrote and do it. I'm not tech saavy.

[justinc.1089]

Yeah I second (or third?) that idea that someone needs to make a video for youtube or something using lots of quotes from Regan in it, and clips of him too if you can add some of that in as well. And quotes from the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence since every American can relate to those documents.

[thomj76]

I posted this over at meetup.

It combines the Reagan Speech and coverage of Victor Gold concerning Ron Paul as a modern day Barry Goldwater.

Hope you can spread it around.

http://ronpaul.meetup.com/boards/view/viewthread?thread=3617532

[ChrisAZ]

One of the toughest nuts to crack that we have with a lot of the Republican/conservative voters is the "war" issue. The neocons continue to refer to this nation building as the "Iraqi war" and continue to proffer the rally cry that we must "win the war." They do this to instill a false sense of patriotic obligation that is still playing very well with many Republican and conservative voters.

Let's stop letting the neocons dictate the false terminology on this issue. The Truth is there is no war. We won the war four years ago. We conquered the Iraqi military four years ago. What we have now in the Iraqi nation building is an "Iraqi Foreign Aid Project" or rather an "Iraqi Foreign Aid Boondoggle." Let's call it what it truly is, an "Iraqi Foreign Aid Project."

If we reject the neocon position that "we are in a war," and instead use more truthful language that we are really in a "Giant Iraqi Foreign Aid Boondoggle" we break the neocons false hold on many American's patriotic sense of obligation that they must support the war -- that we must win.

Most conservative Republicans tend to automatically have a gut rejection of any foreign aid. Show them that the Iraq situation is simply a giant foreign aid boondoggle.

I have begun using this tactic with Republicans and conservatives that are diehard war supporters and have already had some "aha" moments and eye openings, and even a couple conversions. I tell them we are not at war. We already conquered Iraq four years ago. What we have now is simply a Giant Foreign Aid Boondoggle to build a foreign nation courtesy of American taxpayers, while neglecting our own borders. We still haven't built but 17 new miles of wall on our southern border.

[filmmaker58]

Awesome. I'm not going to rest until I convert my mother, and this might just do it. Another thing I have found is the documentary, "Iraq for sale: The war profiteers". http://iraqforsale.org/
Holy s%*t. No wonder Ron Paul gets so much support from the military. They think they are going over to fight to free the Iraqi people and help rebuild their country, and find that they are just pawns in a giant money stealing scheme by the military/industrial complex. It makes the blood boil.

[Matthew Zak]

Can We Get Someone To Create A Comparison Between Reagan And Paul?

[Matthew Zak]

I'm not video savvy, but I think it would be extremely affective to Connect Paul to this speech in some way. Maybe show quotes from this speech and show "Ron Paul" as the one who spoke them only to have the name dissipate, replaced with Reagan's name. THEN show Ron Paul saying something very similar.

[curiousobserver]

can you post to youtube please?...I think youtube has more following and recognition....

Thanks

[Shii]

can you post to youtube please?...I think youtube has more following and recognition....

Thanks

It's a bit too long to put on YouTube. People have put the audio up in 3 parts though.

Also, here's a stupid FOX News take on it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HIp0SC2Gso

[ladyliberty]

This is an excellent video and fits in well with Eisenhower's speech about the Military Industrial Complex...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY

Is there any way to download the Eisenhower speech?? I already downloaded the Reagan Speech. I would like to make a DVD of the "old" speeches, then a second DVD of Ron Paul practically quoting everything from Reagan and Eisenhower. (Maybe even add that episode from the early Twilight Zone Series about the "Obsolete Man.")

BTW - I think both of these would do well on a Ron Paul Website such as the Veterans Day Site and even on the Boston Tea Party Site - let folks who are undecided about contributing know what this is REALLY all about! We aren't nut jobs and fruit cakes, we aren't conspiracy theorist, crabgrass, blah blah blah - and this is no laughing matter! This is reality - Rod Stirling even warned us that the time would come when we would be mocked and ridiculed...

[Seanmc30]

Can We Get Someone To Create A Comparison Between Reagan And Paul?

I think this would be a great idea!!! If the campaign comes out and openly identifies itself with the figure that Regan has become in the minds of so many it could serve 2 valuable purposes:

1. The most obvious...It would associate RP with their hero from the 80's and grow support

2. It would stir up controversy by those who would disagree...promoting more curiosity and getting us longer than ONE DAY in the spotlight at a time.


Hillary and Rudy are being DRONED about each and every day all day in the news because there are constantly new little controversies to talk about

A LITTLE CONTROVERSY NEVER HURT ANYONE!!! and really how bad is it when your controversy stems around being compared to what most find a National Hero.

[priest_of_syrinx]

I was really excited and I was going to show this to my parents... Until the last 5 minutes. That's definitely pro-war right now. Not something that's going to sway my parents, as the only two reasons that my parents don't support Paul are that:

1) Against the Iraq War
2) Against the Patriot Act

They think we are much safer with the Patriot Act because apparently, worldwide terrorist attacks have gone down. They noticed that they have also gone down with the Iraq War, so those two things must be keeping us safe.... :confused::rolleyes:

What should I do???? I've pulled out pretty much all the stops, and they keep saying that our war spending is a "drop in the bucket compared to other government programs, and our safety is worth anything".

[shortna]

I agree with priest_of_syrinx Reagan was very pro debt to support his position against USSR. He was very pro militaristic intervention as long as it was not directly against the USSR. I’m still looking for to persuade the brain washed pro war Republicans to go along with non-militaristic intervention but they can’t be persuaded. They seem to think the US has a right to meddle in the affairs of other countries when American “interests” are at stake. This thread really should not be stickyied. It does not have the answers needed. :confused:

[RonPaulalways]

Ask the pro-war Republicans why they support borrowing $3 billion a day from the Chinese central government if they care about national security.

The most important element for long term national security is the economy. Ask them why they support draining the economy by maintaining hundreds of military bases in over a 130 countries around the world.

[tanstaafl]

One of the toughest nuts to crack that we have with a lot of the Republican/conservative voters is the "war" issue. The neocons continue to refer to this nation building as the "Iraqi war" and continue to proffer the rally cry that we must "win the war." They do this to instill a false sense of patriotic obligation that is still playing very well with many Republican and conservative voters.

Let's stop letting the neocons dictate the false terminology on this issue. The Truth is there is no war. We won the war four years ago. We conquered the Iraqi military four years ago. What we have now in the Iraqi nation building is an "Iraqi Foreign Aid Project" or rather an "Iraqi Foreign Aid Boondoggle." Let's call it what it truly is, an "Iraqi Foreign Aid Project."

If we reject the neocon position that "we are in a war," and instead use more truthful language that we are really in a "Giant Iraqi Foreign Aid Boondoggle" we break the neocons false hold on many American's patriotic sense of obligation that they must support the war -- that we must win.

Most conservative Republicans tend to automatically have a gut rejection of any foreign aid. Show them that the Iraq situation is simply a giant foreign aid boondoggle.

I have begun using this tactic with Republicans and conservatives that are diehard war supporters and have already had some "aha" moments and eye openings, and even a couple conversions. I tell them we are not at war. We already conquered Iraq four years ago. What we have now is simply a Giant Foreign Aid Boondoggle to build a foreign nation courtesy of American taxpayers, while neglecting our own borders. We still haven't built but 17 new miles of wall on our southern border.

Your comment that "One of the toughest nuts to crack that we have with a lot of the Republican/conservative voters is the "war" issue." is one I have also argued. Indeed, I would say it is THE key issue holding Ron Paul back from probably a 10%+ jump in the polls.

That said, I have to congratulate you on your cogent knockout 'The "Iraq War" was won four years ago when we defeated the Iraqi army - what we have left is a giant foreign aid boondoogle. ' (You probably said it better, I will have to practice :-). This is brilliant!

I would like to work with you and whoever else might be interested to come up with an overall distillation of the message that Ron Paul favors a STRONG military. People are falsely equating military budget, military strategy, and (specifically) outposts diffused around the world as equivalent to strength.

Combining your brilliant "the war is won" comment with a similarly powerful message that we are not deployed - we are DILUTED around the world and stuck on a fifty-year obsolete military strategy.

It would help, imo, (but may not be necessary if we can come up with another knock-out punch such as the one you just delivered to the "win the war" folks) if we could flesh this out with historical facts, 'reframings', logic, and counterexamples (e.g., Israel doesn't have outposts around the world; Sparta/Greece beat the vastly larger Persians).

Any interest?

[ayort]

I just posted this on Denver craigslist. I start off talking about how all the canidates lie. Then show this Regan video. Then a Youtube Ron Paul video (energizing) then finish off with a set of links to the house and senate to check voting records. The people on the site all seem to hate bush, Love false conservatism and "think" Paul is a Kook from what the TV has said.
Here is a link to the post: http://denver.craigslist.org/pol/489016942.html

Tell me what you think.

[rooteroa]

What a brilliant speech.

[dannyd]

What an incredible speech.

[Whatintheworldisthat]

REP. PAUL: But you have to realize that the base of the Republican Party shrunk last year because of the war issue. So that percentage represents less people. If you look at 65 to 70 percent of the American people, they want us out of there. They want the war over.

In 19- -- 2002, I offerer an amendment to International Relations to declare war, up or down, and it was -- nobody voted for the war. And my argument there was, if we want to go to war, and if we should go to war, the Congress should declare it. We don't go to war like we did in Vietnam and Korea, because the wars never end. And I argued the case and made the point that it would be a quagmire if we go in.

Ronald Reagan in 1983 sent Marines into Lebanon, and he said he would never turn tail and run. A few months later, the Marines were killed, 241 were killed, and the Marines were taken out. And Reagan addressed this subject in his memoirs. And he says, "I said I would never turn tail and run." He says, "But I never realized the irrationality of Middle Eastern politics," and he changed his policy there.

We need the courage of a Ronald Reagan.



SOURCE: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/15/us/politics/16repubs-text.html?_r=4&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

[torchbearer]

Thanks for the sticky, I never saw this.... it is the holy grail. This should be our Infomercial.
It's institutional memory that we have lost... it needs to be renewed.

[RustyBrewster]

I think it would help if Dr. Paul was a better speaker like Reagan.

[plp]

That is because we are trained to look for the sizzle, and somehow the delivery is supposed to be the steak. Reagan opened the door, and Clinton built the stage.


I have come to this site because of the message and Dr. Paul's track record on the issues such as the war (which I personally am still not decisive about, although the observation about Reagan and Lebanon is food for thought) immigration, the present open borders, and the absurd amount of power that we the people have handed to the federal government.

[tttar]

i really urge that a ron paul supporter show this to your sortof neoconned friends who idolize reagan, without the thomas jefferson quotes or ron paul stuff cut in. just seeing ron pauls message come out of reagan's mouth is more powerful to them. try it out if your at an empasse. im pretty sure this is the beginning part of his famous speech endorsing barry goldwater... the vietnam statement i think is a minute and a half in.


I think it needs to be cut into a more manageable size.

He says something about Vietnam that may indeed confuse them, but then talks about big government, farm subsidies, etc., and they'll forget what's going on, because the old familiar "gotta stop those big-spending Democrats with a Republican who can win" reflex will then kick in.

And Giuliani's a "mainstream libertarian", don'tcha know, who was forced into supporting a war by 9/11. He wants peace, too, and so do the others.

Besides, wasn't it lots and lots and lots of military spending by Reagan that finally forced the Russkies to their knees - and so shouldn't we triple it, if that's what it takes? Don't you wanna save your children from the crazies? Better bankrupt than dead!

Maybe he was only talking about Vietnam because the Democrats were doing it wrong, or whatever, they'll comfortably slide into thinking.

If you can isolate what he said about Vietnam here, and find a few more Reagan quotes to support it (with parallel Ron Paul quotes), it would probably hit harder.

A great one-liner was said by RP on Meet the Press. On "assigning responsibilty", he made the analogy of stepping into a snake pit. Whose "fault" is it when you get bit?

[Rico4444]

Barry - thank you for that link.

That is the BEST video of Reagan I have ever seen. Well worth the 28 minutes.

The neocons kidnapped him because he was such a good Communicator and used him to further their cause. Most of what he was warning about in this speach came true. Yes, in his administration too.

I cannot believe how much it sounds like Dr Paul.

[chowdy]

That speech is what really got me motivated. I mean, beyond just being passionate about Ron Paul, but about liberty and all that good stuff. I listen to it very often for inspiration :)

Anyway, here's an awesome video of "The Speech" + Ron Paul:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRcXfDt3ByI

[pooty]

How many innocent children have been killed or maimed in Iraq?Last I heard thier were about 5000 of them dead.Ask your friends if someone killed or maimed thier child would they then join them in thier endevers to kill or maim more children?Exactly how did removing Saddam help to fight terrorism?By turning the parents of the children killed or maimed into united states patriots?All the neocon canidates say the cost of the war was worth it.They can't explain how so they spin it but if confronted by the facts thier argument shows they just want to keep filling the pockets of munnitions mfgs. with blood money.If we pull out of Iraq there will be blowback but much less than if we don't.The dems aren't any better.Pelosi has blocked impeachment.Why?Bringing troops home where thier not hated is support.Giving them more bombs and munnitions is supporting munnitions mfgs.This country has become morally bankrupt and most of the people refuse to see it.


The worlds scientists have concluded the world needs an enima.....
they'll insert the tube in washington D.C.

[durden0]

I'm totally confused. Did everyone here watch the same video?

Other than that one comment about Vietnam in the beginning, I see no evidence that Ronald Regan was against a War on [Blank](fill in terrorism or communism) whichever you like. He talked about peace through strength, "not backing down from our enemies" etc... That part of his speech sounded straight out of a neocon book??

The libertarian part of his speech was brilliant, and it's a shame the foreign policy part of it isn't on our side.

[BarryDonegan]

that was during an era when the war on communism was not having to be fought on our soil. currently it is.

[USAF_Saylor]

wow richard man, great job finding this.
I intend to shut a few people up, that ive had arguments with and i think this video is the tool to do it.
i hate how alot of the neo-cons quote Reagan all the time yet, they go against almost everything he stood for.
Great Speech!!!
You got that right! That's why I was banned from http://www.patriotactionnetwork.com/

[HOLLYWOOD]

You got that right! That's why I was banned from http://www.patriotactionnetwork.com/

Patriot Action Network / ResistNet are complete co-opted/hi-jacked/Falsely fronted, so-called TEA PARTY sites. They have nothing to do with Freedoms, Liberties, and Rights. They're all for Global conquest and funded by the like of big establishment GOP Fascists; Sal Russo, Dick Army, & Andrew Breitart, NEOCON Express aka TP Express, Establishment Fascists laundering their money through these fronted individuals organizations and marketing firms like Dick Army's Freedom Works, PNAC (Project for the New American Century), GOP political marketing and consulting firm: Russo, Marsh, & Rogers and even funds from the Republican Jewish Congress. This phony Tea Party Sites dialog will always be; controlled, steered, and related censoring... you always can find prepared ringers to incite articles that are; racist, Pro US global wars & conquests, jingoism, fear/security, 110% support for Israel, and more money for THEIR agendas. They will always use all the typical government propaganda symbols to manipulate the unsuspecting, unknowing, and plain ignorant followers with THEIR SILENT PARTNERS/MONEY MASTERS versions of NEO Far-Right agenda.

Even Mark Meckler and his wife (organized Tax Day Protests) have stated that the NEOCON/ESTABLISHMENT DC orgs/etc, have stolen, bribed/bought off, and now control most of these Phony Tea Party Sites like Patriot Action Network / RESISTNET.

This needs to be exposed much more...

[KEEF]

I just emailed the video to the great Sean Hannity and the Beckster.

We'll see what I get back since Reagan is Hannity's God and litmus test for all politicians.

[angrydragon]

Personally, I like these videos.

http://youtu.be/1yuzMYIXhTE

http://youtu.be/UmsP95Bl9pM

http://youtu.be/Y46xgPUokrg

[CaptainAmerica]

It is a good speech but there is such thing as a left or right and a right and wrong. If there was no such thing as a left or right then socialism would be just as good as free market capitalism.I understand that Reagan was making a speech to appeal to a broader spectrum but I dare say he was incorrect about the "up and down" quote.

[Community Disorganizer]

People, I don't care what side of the aisle they are on, are exhausted of war. Only the true hawks are for continuing it. Even the staunch neo cons that I talk to, aren't opposed to ending these wars. It really speaks volumes when, in an audience packed full of pro-war neo cons, that when Ron Paul speaks of bringing the troops home, he gets applause!

[groverblue]

great speech.

[Verrater]

We need a comparison video showing these clips from Reagan than those from Ron Paul.
That would really wow some people.

[BethanyGrace]

Great speech! Thanks so much for posting it!

[Jingles]

Honestly, I don't think I have ever seen this Reagan speech. I'm going to have to watch this now. I never really got into Reagan too much, but I kind of skipped that step on my way to supporting Ron Paul. I went from neocon to libertarian rather instantaneously. Looking back I was always libertarian, but I just followed whatever Republicans said so as soon as I read The Revolution: A Manifesto in 2008 it all just came together instantly. After that I went to reading Rothbard and such, and now I'm an pretty much an AnCap.

[flash3780]

Love that speech: "If we lose freedom here, there's no place to escape to. This is the last stand on earth."

[apex]

WOW, i've not followed much of Reagans speeches or really much about him. But this is WEIRD, this could be a ron paul speech, sounds just like him

[Archie]

Im not sure if this had been stated before but here is my tactic in converting the typical neo-con Rush/Hannity listener who wont look at RP for Pres because of his "drug stance" Here is what I think would be AMAZING to use in a debate when the others attack RP on his "drug policy" Ron needs to deflect any attacks they have on him and instead let the attackers put it on the shoulders of there Neo-Con Kingmakers like Rush Limbaugh or Savage and then have Ron Paul Defend them but in the same breath show that he doesnt endorse what they do ;)

Ron Paul needs to use the fact that almost all the other canididates kiss the ass of neo-con radio heads like Rush and use them to his ADVANTAGE in arguing his position :). For instance when they attack him and say "you are very wrong in your Drug policy Ron" He should say

"Well thats your opinion but Im no big gov't politician who wants to "regulate" every thing americans eat or use as recreational drugs and put people like Rush Limbaugh in jail because he choose to use some drugs for his own use that Maybe myself and others would deem dangerous,While I Dis-agree with eating alot of fast foods or using such drugs or that Rush may have used I dont think we need "big gov't" to be the regulator of what people like Rush put in there bodies be it Greasy Burgers that keep him over wieght or by using drugs such as Oxy contin.

[Archie]

Ron needs to use the "weakness" that all the other candidates aside from himself have and that is to peddle to hardcore neo-con radio heads and there millions of listeners. Once Ron deflects the other attacks away from himself and puts the pressure back on them by saying stuff like "So your saying you would support having the feds arrest and jail Rush because he puts unhealthy things into his body and have the tax payers foot the bill?"


I just hope to hell people in Pauls camp understand how truly effective this strategy is of deflecting idiotic critiques on Pauls positions into RP using it as HUGE advantage by shifting the question and pitting the Candidate against Rush Limbaugh or some other neo-con and have RP defend the neo-con but in the same breath Strongly disagree with the bad choices that the neo-con head made ;) What that will do is have joe public Rush radio fan says "wow RP defending Rush even though he doesnt agree with what Rush was doing to his own body and on the other hand Santorum,Bachman,Romney and etc would of supported the feds put Rush in jail and have the tax payers foot the bill because Rush choose to put something bad into his own body?

This is the tactic RP needs to use in order to unlock that "extra edge" of support he desperately needs.

[TheCriticalReasoning]

thanks for the video-- trying it on my stepparents now!

[Carson]

Good one!

[emazur]

This is a good one to temper the bomb Iran crowd

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpfXw2Nj_Wk

[Carson]

This is a good one to temper the bomb Iran crowd

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpfXw2Nj_Wk

The original posters video was starting to creep a little at the end with the war rhetoric. This one ended on a much better note.

I'm thinking it is a totally different era now with the Soviet countries. I think they have joined in with the fiat currency looting of their citizens just like the rest of the world. In other words they are printing up what ever amount they want to get their way over the will of the people there just like the global government does us here. I've heard there are only four countries left that don't have central banks that are a part of the global system of central banks. Iran, North Korea, Cuba and Sudan. It was seven but we whittled it down with the invasions and manipulation of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya (http://thenewamerican.com/world-mainmenu-26/africa-mainmenu-27/6915-libyan-rebels-create-central-bank-oil-company).

So on the one hand we are all part of one big global dictatorship.

On the other is everything as under control as some make out?

Should we fear others like a little country far away that may or may not have a bomb or should we become aware that all of the weapons of mass destruction that we once had, in our so called defense department, are in control of others outside of our once great nation?

I don't think people understand just what a mess there is. Can we defend ourselves when we have no side to defend anymore? All we once believed in has been sold out to the highest bidder fastest briber?

[Carson]

thanks for the video-- trying it on my stepparents now!

I'm picturing them bound and gagged with those weird ball things in their mouths.:eek: