ThisNovember5th.com

[tajitj]

***NEW CANDIDATES ADDED***

Three more good ones running for Congress worth our support. Hope these guys advertise this and bring their supporters on board.

Bob Barker, David Ratowitz, and Baily Collins

Check it out!
http://thisnovember5th.com/

[tmosley]

Interesting, but it would be nice if you could make one pledge, and a single donation that could be distributed on some weighted basis to some or all of the candidates.

[tajitj]

I feel you on that.

Or not give a set ammount, let us decide. I would rather pledge $10 bucks to everyone but my first instinct when I saw the $50 was to put it off until we get more promo. I think it is natural for people to think like that.

Since we are known to hack polls, having a poll where people pick there favorite candidate and distributing it on that basis is not a good idea.

So not sure how to do it without having to form a PAC. The laws get tricky once you start talking about any person or group of people taking money and distributing it.

Having it be something where people donate to whoever they choose, from a site like that, is likely only way around it.

[LibertyMage]

Two points:

1. This site needs some new banners to give a better feel as to what the initiative is about.

2. Some of the lesser known candidates should have their donation amounts lowered. I may donate $5 to 20 candidates and $50 to maybe one of two that I know and stand behind, but I can't donate $50 to everyone. These money bombs are all about including people, even if they could only afford $10. Lower the amount, get more pledges and get more people involved! You will raise more money overall that way.

[bucfish]

Two points:

1. This site needs some new banners to give a better feel as to what the initiative is about.

2. Some of the lesser known candidates should have their donation amounts lowered. I may donate $5 to 20 candidates and $50 to maybe one of two that I know and stand behind, but I can't donate $50 to everyone. These money bombs are all about including people, even if they could only afford $10. Lower the amount, get more pledges and get more people involved! You will raise more money overall that way.

I agree plus by lowering donation totals it will encourage more donations to more candidates

[KCIndy]

Two points:

1. This site needs some new banners to give a better feel as to what the initiative is about.

2. Some of the lesser known candidates should have their donation amounts lowered. I may donate $5 to 20 candidates and $50 to maybe one of two that I know and stand behind, but I can't donate $50 to everyone. These money bombs are all about including people, even if they could only afford $10. Lower the amount, get more pledges and get more people involved! You will raise more money overall that way.


Absolutely!

I'm not sure who is running the site, and I know it would add a lot of extra work, but it would be great if each candidate had a "drop down" box in which the person making the pledge could choose from various fixed amounts. Perhaps choices of $10/$15/$25/$50/$75/$100/$150/$200/$250.

Or would it be more simple to have the person making the pledge simply fill in a blank space with an amount of their choice, with a running total showing next to the candidate?

One way or the other, I like the basic concept of choosing among a wide variety of candidates. First of all, it should spur some extra competition (and donations) among the various "camps." (The "Schiff vs. Paul" crowd :) leaps to mind!) As well, it might expose more people to candidates they've never heard of before.

[NinjaPirate]

Absolutely!

I'm not sure who is running the site, and I know it would add a lot of extra work, but it would be great if each candidate had a "drop down" box in which the person making the pledge could choose from various fixed amounts. Perhaps choices of $10/$15/$25/$50/$75/$100/$150/$200/$250.

Or would it be more simple to have the person making the pledge simply fill in a blank space with an amount of their choice, with a running total showing next to the candidate?

One way or the other, I like the basic concept of choosing among a wide variety of candidates. First of all, it should spur some extra competition (and donations) among the various "camps." (The "Schiff vs. Paul" crowd :) leaps to mind!) As well, it might expose more people to candidates they've never heard of before.

lyman.trevor@gmail.com aka SwordOfShannarah (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=872).

[MR2Fast2Catch]

This is a good idea, and it's great to promote more Liberty candidates, but I have one concern.

This will water down the effectiveness of the money bomb, and could take away from the most viable candidates. The idea of balancing the money bomb to help more candidates is understandable. But that will mean less money in a money bomb for the main candidates like Peter Schiff, Rand Paul and Adam Kokesh. I think if we want an effective money bomb, we should focus on these 3 candidates, so they get as much money raised in a single day to get them more recognition. A money bomb with this many candidates won't raise enough money for any single candidate to get any media attention. Plus if we spread ourselves too thin it could allow us to risk one of our more viable candidates not getting elected.

This is my opinion, but I will still support the movement regardless of the fundraising methods.

[jt8025]

Ray McBerry will have $50 from me. (Along with other candidates)

Watch his video on the site. He is STRONG on state's rights.

I've heard him say he will have state police arrest any federal agent that tries to take gun from any of his constituents starting around 6:40.

[Flash]

Honestly I think Rand Paul & Peter Schiff have enough money. Should focus more on Kokesh, DeVore, & RJ Harris. And to be FAIR about it-- all 3 of those candidates right now have a better chance at winning than Schiff.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Why is Ray McBerry on this list...and leading in pledges?

I live in Georgia and even I am not voting for him.


Honestly I think Rand Paul & Peter Schiff have enough money. Should focus more on Kokesh, DeVore, & RJ Harris. And to be FAIR about it-- all 3 of those candidates right now have a better chance at winning than Schiff.

Umm...no they don't.

Paul and Schiff are not fully funded. They're running statewide races. How much money should be diverted from credible candidates like Paul and Schiff to go towards no-hopers like Harris trying to primary a rich and entrenched incumbent?

[MR2Fast2Catch]

Paul and Schiff are not fully funded. They're running statewide races. How much money should be diverted from credible candidates like Paul and Schiff to go towards no-hopers like Harris trying to primary a rich and entrenched incumbent?

I agree. We need to make the money bombs focus on Paul, Schiff and Kokesh, to ensure we get them elected. We should definitely support all the other Liberty candidates, but when it comes down to money bombs, we need to stay focused on the BEST candidates. Otherwise, we could risk not electing any of these three because the money bombs will not raise enough for any ONE individual candidate to get media coverage. That's one of the main points of a money bomb. Also, it could take away from money bomb donations that would otherwise be going to these 3 main candidates - who in my opinion, still need to raise a LOT more money if they want to win.

[Flash]

Why is Ray McBerry on this list...and leading in pledges?

I live in Georgia and even I am not voting for him.



Umm...no they don't.

Ummm.. then people would simply fund rand Paul.


Paul and Schiff are not fully funded. They're running statewide races. How much money should be diverted from credible candidates like Paul and Schiff to go towards no-hopers like Harris trying to primary a rich and entrenched incumbent?

Is Schiff really a credible candidate? Where's the evidence? I like the guy too, but Linda Mcmahon was the game changer.

[jt8025]

Why is Ray McBerry on this list...and leading in pledges?

I live in Georgia and even I am not voting for him.


What do you not like about him or who do you feel is the better candidate? I'm open to changing my opinion just need some new information.

I know there are about 6 republican candidate and Libertarian John Monds running. Just wondering who you thought was more qualified and why.

Thanks in advance for your response.

[TCE]

More should be added to the list. If nothing else, it gets Liberty Candidates exposure. At least five more should be added.

[Deborah K]

Interesting, but it would be nice if you could make one pledge, and a single donation that could be distributed on some weighted basis to some or all of the candidates.

I am against a redistribution idea.

[ForLiberty-RonPaul]

I am against a redistribution idea.

agree. and that would be a nightmare to figure out and implement legally (i think)

[LibertyMage]

Daily Paul has an article reporting the pledge amount has been lowered for some candidates. I still see it at $50 for everyone. We sticking with $50?

[MRoCkEd]

Daily Paul has an article reporting the pledge amount has been lowered for some candidates. I still see it at $50 for everyone. We sticking with $50?
Maybe he meant lowered from the usual $100

[TCE]

Why is Ray McBerry on this list...and leading in pledges?

I live in Georgia and even I am not voting for him.



Umm...no they don't.

Paul and Schiff are not fully funded. They're running statewide races. How much money should be diverted from credible candidates like Paul and Schiff to go towards no-hopers like Harris trying to primary a rich and entrenched incumbent?

Why the anti-McBerry sentiment?

[ronpaulhawaii]

Why the anti-McBerry sentiment?

Looks like King of the Hill syndrome...

[Jamsie 567]

I think the important thing for people to understand is the candidates need to reach out to their supporters and find creative ways to get donations.

Mcberry is getting the most donations because he has a banner on his site. If the other candidates fail to understand they need to promote this. They will be left in the dust. I like the over all concept of this thing.

Good effort on part of the grassroots.

[TCE]

Looks like King of the Hill syndrome...

That's an excuse to not vote for him?

[ronpaulhawaii]

That's an excuse to not vote for him?

Ahh, well, that would be a topic for another thread. I saw the discussion as to inclusion on the 11/5 site...

[Flash]

Why the anti-McBerry sentiment?

I like the guy, but I would bet many on this forum believe he doesn't have a chance to win.

[ronpaulhawaii]

I like the guy, but I would bet many on this forum believe he doesn't have a chance to win.

I think the "viability" debate is best left for later in the season...

[Flash]

I think the "viability" debate is best left for later in the season...

He sounds like an amazing candidate, I really hope the best for him.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Why the anti-McBerry sentiment?

Well, for starters, the viability thing is one thing. But that is just a reason for me personally not to donate, has nothing to do with voting.

Ray McBerry is just a little too obsessed with the 1956-2001 Georgia state flag issue. That is why he challenged Sonny Perdue in the republican primary back in 2006 and got only an embarrassing 11% in a two-candidate race.

I had an ancestor who fought for the south in the American civil war. I am not offended whatsoever by the Confederate battle flag. In fact, I would have liked the 1956 flag to have never been changed. But the issue is dead and McBerry still wants to obsess over it and make it a major part of his campaign platform. No thanks.

I am leaning towards John Oxendine for Governor.

[Stop Making Cents]

I added a banner to my signature on another forum, but I have to admit that the banner isn't very informational. Also, the actual website isn't very informational. I'll be reaching people that have MAYBE heard of Rand Paul, but definitely will have never heard of anyone else on that list. How about putting an explanation of what these Liberty candidates are all about and why we should elect them on the november 5th page? ( I realize there are youtube videos, but nobody who doesn't know who these people are are going to take the time to watch a 5 minute video for each candidate - hence i think a paragraph or 2 on the liberty movement in general at the top of the page would be helpful) thank you!

[jt8025]

Well, for starters, the viability thing is one thing. But that is just a reason for me personally not to donate, has nothing to do with voting.

Ray McBerry is just a little too obsessed with the 1956-2001 Georgia state flag issue. That is why he challenged Sonny Perdue in the republican primary back in 2006 and got only an embarrassing 11% in a two-candidate race.

I had an ancestor who fought for the south in the American civil war. I am not offended whatsoever by the Confederate battle flag. In fact, I would have liked the 1956 flag to have never been changed. But the issue is dead and McBerry still wants to obsess over it and make it a major part of his campaign platform. No thanks.

I am leaning towards John Oxendine for Governor.

I've heard him speak twice now. Once in Savannah and once in Statesborro. He didn't bring up the flag once. He was always talking about the constitution and states rights.

Maybe this is not an issue he will be running on this time.

What is it you like about Oxendine? I know he is a more viable candidate and he is leading in the polls but I haven't seen any issues that attract me his way. Seems like he is saying the same thing other Republicans are saying. Please enlighten me.

[SwordOfShannarah]

Well, for starters, the viability thing is one thing. But that is just a reason for me personally not to donate, has nothing to do with voting.

Ray McBerry is just a little too obsessed with the 1956-2001 Georgia state flag issue. That is why he challenged Sonny Perdue in the republican primary back in 2006 and got only an embarrassing 11% in a two-candidate race.

I had an ancestor who fought for the south in the American civil war. I am not offended whatsoever by the Confederate battle flag. In fact, I would have liked the 1956 flag to have never been changed. But the issue is dead and McBerry still wants to obsess over it and make it a major part of his campaign platform. No thanks.

I am leaning towards John Oxendine for Governor.


http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=2355183#post2355183

Just curious- you said Ray was too much like Alan Keyes and now you say Ray wants to bring back the confederate flag? Really I don't know much about this but something can't be right about the way this sounds. Am I off here?

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Just curious- you said Ray was too much like Alan Keyes and now you say Ray wants to bring back the confederate flag? Really I don't know much about this but something can't be right about the way this sounds. Am I off here?

Yeah, he sounds like Keyes. I didn't say he was black though.

Ray McBerry absolutely wants to bring the old state flag. It was his whole platform in 2006 when he challenged Perdue.

McBerry has the same overly-religious (and I'm a Christian) tone as Keyes. Listening to him I swear he ripped some of his lines about abortion straight from Keyes.

From here (http://spofga.org/flag/2006/july/georgia_primary.php):

Flag Vote: McBerry states that he will deliver to the best of his ability on the promise Perdue made 4 years ago to allow a FAIR Vote. Perdue says the issue is settled and blames the lack of a vote on the deal cut by Republican Senator Tom Price with the Metro Atlanta Chamber in 2003. In other words, a deal with the Metro Atlanta Chamber is more important that the 79% of Georgians the Mason Dixon Poll showed wanted a Fair Vote.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

I agree. We need to make the money bombs focus on Paul, Schiff and Kokesh, to ensure we get them elected. We should definitely support all the other Liberty candidates, but when it comes down to money bombs, we need to stay focused on the BEST candidates. Otherwise, we could risk not electing any of these three because the money bombs will not raise enough for any ONE individual candidate to get media coverage.

You and I are on the same wave-length. I've been trying to make this point, admittedly not with much tact, for a while now.

Ray McBerry: 2% (http://www.sbwire.com/news/view/32137)
Debra Medina: 3% (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/texas/election_2010_texas_republican_primary)
Chris Simcox: Down 50 percentage points (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/politics_nation/2009/09/the_maverick_looks_safe_in_201.html)

A divided money bomb is a bad idea, I think. But it is worsened ten-fold when a whole slew of candidates who simply aren't going to win are included too and sucking up precious and limited resources. Is there no room for any sense of pragmatism?

[Flash]

I agree. We need to make the money bombs focus on Paul, Schiff and Kokesh, to ensure we get them elected.

Are you sure Schiff has a chance at winning? Kokesh & Paul certainly have a chance, but Schiff is going up against a multi-millionaire celebrity.

[Flash]

Why is Ray McBerry on this list...and leading in pledges?

I live in Georgia and even I am not voting for him.



Umm...no they don't.

Paul and Schiff are not fully funded. They're running statewide races. How much money should be diverted from credible candidates like Paul and Schiff to go towards no-hopers like Harris trying to primary a rich and entrenched incumbent?

You do realize the latest poll for Schiff was something around 1-2%? Kokesh & Rand Paul are both more serious candidates and thus our money shouldn't go to waste.

[MR2Fast2Catch]

You do realize the latest poll for Schiff was something around 1-2%? Kokesh & Rand Paul are both more serious candidates and thus our money shouldn't go to waste.

I somewhat agree with you. Schiff's race will likely be more expensive than Rand's, and Rand has a far greater shot at getting elected. I am a college student so I can't donate much anyways, but I have only donated to Rand and Kokesh so far, and will probably continue to limit my donations to these 2. I don't have money to throw around to all these other candidates on the thisnovember5th.com money bomb so I'm making my money go toward the candidates I like and believe have a shot.

I really like Schiff though, and I think he has a lot of support financially from his clients and other loyal supporters on here, so I figure he will have success fundraising. I am weary of investing too much money on Schiff though, cause you are right that his race is much tougher than Rand and Kokesh. As a big fan, I'm not giving up on Schiff though. If he could be elected, it would be huge.

[Flash]

I somewhat agree with you. Schiff's race will likely be more expensive than Rand's, and Rand has a far greater shot at getting elected. I am a college student so I can't donate much anyways, but I have only donated to Rand and Kokesh so far, and will probably continue to limit my donations to these 2. I don't have money to throw around to all these other candidates on the thisnovember5th.com money bomb so I'm making my money go toward the candidates I like and believe have a shot.

I really like Schiff though, and I think he has a lot of support financially from his clients and other loyal supporters on here, so I figure he will have success fundraising. I am weary of investing too much money on Schiff though, cause you are right that his race is much tougher than Rand and Kokesh. As a big fan, I'm not giving up on Schiff though. If he could be elected, it would be huge.

I was a huge supporter of his from the beginning. But Linda McMahon is already out-spending all other Republicans in the race, I think she probably is going to win.

[Young Paleocon]

Trevor, if you could add Bob Parker running in Missouri's 8th it would be much appreciated.

[tajitj]

BUMP for adding more candidates. Those three are really good ones. Ratowitz is open Campaign for Liberty member, Bailey touts Ron Paul on his endorsements page. Also really like Barker.

[Welles]

David Hedrick just got added. They have is State in District wrong though. lol