ThisNovember5th.com - multi freedom candidate mass donation day

[SwordOfShannarah]

http://www.ThisNovember5th.com

What do you think?

The pledge boxes are live. I set the pledge amount at $50 because people may want to split it up and because it might be more reasonable in this economy anyway.

Any glaring deficiencies? Any suggestions?

I need to make new banners that show this would be on again for 2009.

[bucfish]

I feel LibertyPAC and CFL should be added
CFL could use the funds to push HR1207 and Liberty Pac could be a backstop. But most importantly maybe put a goal of what the last candidate raised that one in a certain race. Then we fund one candidate at a time.

[MRoCkEd]

I say you just make it for Schiff, otherwise it will be a failure all around

[ForLiberty-RonPaul]

Chris Simcox. holy smokes, let's get McCain the fuck out!

[ForLiberty-RonPaul]

what if we push the date back? november may be too soon

[ForLiberty-RonPaul]

we also need to push hard for the governorship of Texas. They control the border and we need it back.

[SwordOfShannarah]

I say you just make it for Schiff, otherwise it will be a failure all around

You can't be serious.

[bucfish]

You can't be serious.


If he is serious he must be yahoo serious

[ronpaulhawaii]

I like it :) As we both know, some here will have both good, and bad, suggestions.

I appreciate you picking up the ball for this date. Am sure any one candidate who tried to claim it would cause bad blood...

[Deborah K]

http://www.ThisNovember5th.com

What do you think?

The pledge boxes are live. I set the pledge amount at $50 because people may want to split it up and because it might be more reasonable in this economy anyway.

Any glaring deficiencies? Any suggestions?

I need to make new banners that show this would be on again for 2009.

LOVE this!!! Can you get Chuck Devore on there? He's running against Barbara Boxer.

[Austin]

Can you add a subdirectory for each candidate? For instance, if I want to direct people to just the Schiff pledge box, I can send them to http://www.thisnovember5th.com/peterschiff

[SwordOfShannarah]

Can you add a subdirectory for each candidate? For instance, if I want to direct people to just the Schiff pledge box, I can send them to http://www.thisnovember5th.com/peterschiff

Yes- I think that's a good idea. Give me a little bit (a day or so) and I'll have that up. Thanks.

[SwordOfShannarah]

LOVE this!!! Can you get Chuck Devore on there? He's running against Barbara Boxer.

$50k! Interesting. We need a process for choosing candidates for this. Hmmmm. Thoughts?

[Jeremy]

Joe McArtor

http://www.mcartorforcongress.com/

he's a RPFer, so... :)

[Deborah K]

$50k! Interesting. We need a process for choosing candidates for this. Hmmmm. Thoughts?

Well as for me, I intend to promote all of them on my lists and ask that sites like yours get forwarded. People can pick and choose who they want to donate to and just pass the site along.

[Flash]

IMO we should just save November 5th for people like RJ Harris, Adam Kokesh, & Joe McArtor.

[SwordOfShannarah]

Well as for me, I intend to promote all of them on my lists and ask that sites like yours get forwarded. People can pick and choose who they want to donate to and just pass the site along.

I tend to agree. I really don't want to be "the decider" on who gets represented. Maybe we have the first page be the top ten in terms of pledges and then we have page two for all the other candidates... that way anyone can rise up but it's not represented as some huge list that diffuses the whole thing.

[CaseyJones]

Joe McArtor!!!!

[Baptist]

what if we push the date back? november may be too soon

That was my thought. People may be tapped out for a bit. Could do it on the 16th of December again, Tea Party style. Not only does this give everyone more time to get money, but it would be a reminder that the Ron Paul/Constitution/Liberty movement started the Tea Parties, not Glenn Beck and Fox News.


I like the layout of the site, though. I like the idea of a multi-candidate money bomb day.


I tend to agree. I really don't want to be "the decider" on who gets represented. Maybe we have the first page be the top ten in terms of pledges and then we have page two for all the other candidates... that way anyone can rise up but it's not represented as some huge list that diffuses the whole thing.

That's a good idea.

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

nt

[dr. hfn]

How about everyone donates to whoever they want to and in the amounts they want to. Will this work? Or will it disperse us too much? Alot of our lesser known candidates could use some $$$. And I don't think Liberty PAC needs any money, most of Ron's extra cash went to that.

Candidates
http://www.retakecongress.com/
http://www.liberatetheunitedstates.com/
http://www.libertypac.net/
http://www.rlc.org/endorsements/
http://912candidates.org/
http://www.constitutionparty.com/view_states.php
http://www.lp.org/states

[itshappening]

this is a good idea if it can take off

IN THEORY getting all the candidates funded is a great idea but the other side of the coin is should we concerntrate resources

[SwordOfShannarah]

If you think you'll have $50 for at least one candidate about 5 weeks from now please pledge and give this effort some wings. I know we're talking out the details but this is ready for pledges.

http://www.ThisNovember5th.com

[Deborah K]

Dispersion shouldn't concern anyone. The goal should be to spread information far and wide about who is running against the status quo in every category: local, state, and federal. We need a central location for people to learn that information. The more people who know, the more money will be donated. Give people the choice for who they want to vote for.

For example, people can put some of their money on the under-dogs and the rest in candidates running in their own states.

Trying to single out certain candidates while excluding others minimizes our chances of taking the majority away from the socialists running the country right now.

Bottom line is we need a central hub for all opposition and we need to disseminate that hub ASAP!

[ronpaulhawaii]

I just pledged and got confirmation, but don't see it reflected on the page?

I personally think that this will help a LOT for exposing more people to the r3VOLution.

[DirtMcGirt]

Great Idea; it will be difficult deciding which candidates get on this list.
Here is a thread that lists a number of possible Liberty candidates w/ links on OP.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=211594

This is when it would be ideal if there was a short Liberty questionnaire each potential candidate could answer and then decide if they should make the cut.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=189878

[SwordOfShannarah]

Dispersion shouldn't concern anyone. The goal should be to spread information far and wide about who is running against the status quo in every category: local, state, and federal. We need a central location for people to learn that information. The more people who know, the more money will be donated. Give people the choice for who they want to vote for.

For example, people can put some of their money on the under-dogs and the rest in candidates running in their own states.

Trying to single out certain candidates while excluding others minimizes our chances of taking the majority away from the socialists running the country right now.

Bottom line is we need a central hub for all opposition and we need to disseminate that hub ASAP!

Good points Deborah. Probably a poor choice of words on my part (dispersion). I do think I'll need to paginate the candidates but that's pretty common anyway and this could be a hub of information like you say.

[SwordOfShannarah]

I just pledged and got confirmation, but don't see it reflected on the page?

I personally think that this will help a LOT for exposing more people to the r3VOLution.

I started everyone at 1 pledge and so that is kind of interfering with an accurate count. I'll change that now. But pledges won't show up automatically at the moment. I may be migrating this site over to another platform that will have more functionality so auto updates may be still to come...

[LibertyEagle]

Trevor,

Please add Joe McArtor.
http://www.mcartorforcongress.com/

[Young Paleocon]

Trevor I know there is only a feasible number of candidates you can put on this, and you are probably receiving or will receive a lot of requests for candidates......so here's my pitch :D. If you could put Bob Parker on the list it would be most appreciated. We have a good chance of getting that RINO Emerson out of the 8th in the primary, and since this district practically has an R stamped on it's ass we will get a Repub no matter what. So here is the link if you are able to accommodate another candidate. If not, it's understandable.

http://electbobparker.com/

[SwordOfShannarah]

Trevor,

Please add Joe McArtor.
http://www.mcartorforcongress.com/

Yes please list candidates here and I will add them.

I'm also working on individual candidate pages so people can promote one candidate if they like. Here is a first example.

http://thisnovember5th.com/RJHarris.htm

I sent RJ's campaign an email asking for banners that I could put here so people could promote his page with them. Could be kind of fun to have all kinds of banners going for this thing.

[constituent]

What are the criteria for inclusion?

If we point friends/family to the site, what will be done with the e-mail addresses
submitted with their pledge?

[Deborah K]

What are the criteria for inclusion?

If we point friends/family to the site, what will be done with the e-mail addresses
submitted with their pledge?

Maybe Trevor could set it up so that donators have the option of being put on a mailing list that keeps them up to date on their chosen candidates?

[SwordOfShannarah]

What are the criteria for inclusion?

If we point friends/family to the site, what will be done with the e-mail addresses
submitted with their pledge?

None will ever be sold (none ever have been either) and every email sent has an unsubscribe link as always.

[constituent]

None will ever be sold (none ever have been either) and every email sent has an unsubscribe link as always.

excellent, thanks.

[SwordOfShannarah]

Maybe Trevor could set it up so that donators have the option of being put on a mailing list that keeps them up to date on their chosen candidates?

Yes- that is the case. Each pledge box is for it's own candidate.

[constituent]

sorry to re-ask, but what are the criteria for inclusion?

[SwordOfShannarah]

I just pledged and got confirmation, but don't see it reflected on the page?

I personally think that this will help a LOT for exposing more people to the r3VOLution.

I've updated the numbers so they are accurate. Oh! Randy Brogdon is in the lead!! :D:D:D (see this could be fun ;) )

[SwordOfShannarah]

sorry to re-ask, but what are the criteria for inclusion?

It's a great question. Issues all need to reflect the constitutional position.

I don't have a full vetting process other than to take suggestions, make sure their issues are pro-constitution, and then listen to feedback once a candidate is listed. If someone draws a lot of objection they can be taken down. If anyone has suggestions for a more formal vetting approach feel free to put it out there.

[constituent]

I don't have a full vetting process other than to take suggestions, make sure their issues are pro-constitution, and then listen to feedback once a candidate is listed. If someone draws a lot of objection they can be taken down. If anyone has suggestions for a more formal vetting approach feel free to put it out there.

I'll certainly stew on it, hopefully someone will come along w/ ideas ready to get the thought process going... we've got a nice cool front blowing in, it's got me in a different sorta headspace atm.

[Deborah K]

It's a great question. Issues all need to reflect the constitutional position.

I don't have a full vetting process other than to take suggestions, make sure their issues are pro-constitution, and then listen to feedback once a candidate is listed. If someone draws a lot of objection they can be taken down. If anyone has suggestions for a more formal vetting approach feel free to put it out there.

voting record?
recent speeches?
associations?

[Elwar]

I like that it's $50. More people are willing to part with that than come up with $100...and getting that initial donation out of more people leads to further donations.

I also like your user name...I love Terry Brooks...I even created a MUD called The Four Lands back in the day. :)

[SwordOfShannarah]

I like that it's $50. More people are willing to part with that than come up with $100...and getting that initial donation out of more people leads to further donations.


Right. I also wanted to split the pledge so people could pledge to more than one person more easily.



I also like your user name...I love Terry Brooks...I even created a MUD called The Four Lands back in the day. :)

Yes! It's a great book about how truth ends tyranny.

[vegelibertarian]

Just tried to pledge, but it gave me an error message?

Sorry if I missed something, just got told about this thread by the Liberty Rider.

Love the idea though!

[edit: I tried Google Chrome, Mozilla Firefox, and Internet Explorer]

[RyanRSheets]

I was trying to push basically this idea a week or so back but I couldn't seem to get any interest. One thing I think is an absolute necessity is a unified ticker that counts up all of the donations to involved candidates to give it the massive feel of a Ron Paul money bomb. I think the way it should be promoted as a day where everyone picks their favorite candidate and promotes it as if it were a money bomb for that candidate, but they say that it's really intended to be a unified effort for the entire cause of Liberty. Tickers for every candidate on a sidebar or something would be really good. I guess what I was planning on doing was going to be on the 16th. Maybe we could do both.

[Njon]

There's a typo on the page. See http://www.dailypaul.com/node/109297#comment-1191498 for an explanation.

[Njon]

Maybe the amount should be lowered to "at least $20." That may work better. If you go lower, you're likely to get more participants, and if people want to donate more they can.

[SwordOfShannarah]

Maybe the amount should be lowered to "at least $20." That may work better. If you go lower, you're likely to get more participants, and if people want to donate more they can.


Thanks - fixed the typo.

The only problem with going lower is how many more people it takes to make an impact.

1,000 at $20 = $20K
1,000 at $50 = $50K

It's a double edged sword, but I like to think going higher is a bit of an upsell and gets more $$ in through the door.

[ronpaulhawaii]

I've updated the numbers so they are accurate. Oh! Randy Brogdon is in the lead!! :D:D:D (see this could be fun ;) )

hehe - TY - I put a link on FB, though imagine most of my friends are a bit overloaded after yesterday :eek: :D

(edit - I was thinking a lower number would be good, glad to see it being discussed)

[DirtMcGirt]

Is it possible to add an inch (?) high rectangle under "Thank you" text on top w/ smaller sized pictures of each candidate fit nicely inside...

[itshappening]

Now we need to promote this Nov 5th!


http://www.thisnovember5th.com/
http://www.thisnovember5th.com/
http://www.thisnovember5th.com/

And try and raise some money

[itshappening]

we need a multi candidate video, there's lots of material for good editors :)

[Imperial]

I tend to agree. I really don't want to be "the decider" on who gets represented. Maybe we have the first page be the top ten in terms of pledges and then we have page two for all the other candidates... that way anyone can rise up but it's not represented as some huge list that diffuses the whole thing.

That sounds like a great idea!

[tpreitzel]

I'll participate as well, but the amounts should be in increments of $25. I'll treat this event as one of my "major" candidates and I donate $50 to my "major" candidates and $25 to my "minor" candidates. I won't register for $50 each, but I'll likely split the $50 among two candidates. ;)

[bucfish]

I'll participate as well, but the amounts should be in increments of $25. I'll treat this event as one of my "major" candidates and I donate $50 to my "major" candidates and $25 to my "minor" candidates. I won't register for $50 each, but I'll likely split the $50 among two candidates. ;)


Good idea. Spread the wealth. Maybe even expand and give 25, 15, 10 to a gold, silver, bronze candidate. Kinda like the olympics. My favorite, 2nd fav, and third fav.

[Flash]

I don't like the idea. We had a Rand Paul & Kokesh money bomb on the same day and all it did was overshadow Kokesh's moneybomb.

[tpreitzel]

I don't like the idea. We had a Rand Paul & Kokesh money bomb on the same day and all it did was overshadow Kokesh's moneybomb.

True ... IMO, Rand and Peter should be removed and individual months reserved for them alone.
In the long run, everybody will likely get some funds. The primary obstacle has been the short notice and multiple money bombs per month which simply has to stop. Even this date is too short, but it's a start.

[tpreitzel]

Good idea. Spread the wealth. Maybe even expand and give 25, 15, 10 to a gold, silver, bronze candidate. Kinda like the olympics. My favorite, 2nd fav, and third fav.

Competition always raises the bar of performance! ;)

[ForLiberty-RonPaul]

posted this in the poll thread



i like the idea of the multi-candidate moneybomb, but i still think nov 5 is too soon. I understand the significance of that date and I think we should have something going on then. What if we had a one specific candidate moneybomb for nov 5 and had a multi bomb about a month later? We should really focus on the candidates that will dethrone some powerful people like Pelosi, Perry, McCain, etc. Paul and Kokesh got their 3rd quarter bombs (both a success - and I think Dr. Paul is already getting press) Picking one candidate for nov 5 gives us something to advertise for, while at the same time allowing us more time to advertise for the second date as the first big multi-money bomb.

[Arklatex]

I'd like to throw my name in the hat.

i'm a sovereign king of my property and i'm attempting to expand. =) $$$

won't you ally me?

[tpreitzel]

This concept of a mass donation day for multiple candidates is a good idea, but should be done rarely, say 2x per year maximum. Why? The major goal of this type of fundraiser should be to educate voters on the various candidates. A potential donor only has so much money to donate so the donor will likely do a bit of research before spending money on the various candidates. Education is good, but once informed the purpose likely loses its appeal to potential donors.

[ronpaulhawaii]

Good idea. Spread the wealth. Maybe even expand and give 25, 15, 10 to a gold, silver, bronze candidate. Kinda like the olympics. My favorite, 2nd fav, and third fav.

I like this line of thinking. I don't know about the olympic thing, but the idea of spreading the 3VOL is good, on multiple levels...


I don't like the idea. We had a Rand Paul & Kokesh money bomb on the same day and all it did was overshadow Kokesh's moneybomb.

It was tough in that it was the end of Q3... I don't think we can escape that House candidates will always play second fiddle to Senate ones. A quirk of human nature...

I do believe that the multi-bomb will help prevent such occurrences. Supporters can promote the event for their favorites and no-one will have any reason to feel stepped on. It truly seems a free-market solution to me.


True ... IMO, Rand and Peter should be removed and individual months reserved for them alone.
In the long run, everybody will likely get some funds. The primary obstacle has been the short notice and multiple money bombs per month which simply has to stop. Even this date is too short, but it's a start.

I don't think Peter and Paul should be removed at all. I'd personally like to see the downticket races take more prominence. Those who think high profile races are the only important ones will find them where-ever they end up. I don't know that the prominence by pledge idea will be fair, as the quirk of human nature mentioned above will mean the placement can pretty much be guaranteed at the moment it is announced


Competition always raises the bar of performance! ;)

Yeppers


posted this in the poll thread


Strongly disagree


I'd like to throw my name in the hat.

i'm a sovereign king of my property and i'm attempting to expand. =) $$$

won't you ally me?

lulz

my $00.02

[ronpaulhawaii]

This concept of a mass donation day for multiple candidates is a good idea, but should be done rarely, say 2x per year maximum. Why? The major goal of this type of fundraiser should be to educate voters on the various candidates. A potential donor only has so much money to donate so the donor will likely do a bit of research before spending money on the various candidates. Education is good, but once informed the purpose likely loses its appeal to potential donors.

Agreed, the main thing I thought of when seeding this idea was to prevent a $#!+-storm if one candidate decided to try to claim the 5th or 16th...

[MRoCkEd]

Agreed, the main thing I thought of when seeding this idea was to prevent a $#!+-storm if one candidate decided to try to claim the 5th or 16th...
Don't know who this is:
www.SchiffSuperBomb.com - Nov. 5th

[bucfish]

Don't know who this is:
www.SchiffSuperBomb.com - Nov. 5th

Looks like Nordstrom

[nayjevin]

I see this as a good free market solution, executed nicely - good work OP.

I suggest a link to the history of the site, an explanation and some videos highlighting the original moneybomb day. Maybe even links to a bittorrent of V.

I like the concept of letting candidates rise as they gain more pledges, but on the other hand, this is a natural 'rich get richer' situation as the further down the pages a candidate is, the less likely that candidate will be viewed.

I would consider them all being on the main page, with the lowest pledges ranked first, highest pledges ranked last. If this causes page load problems, I'd consider linking to individual pages for each candidate that have the video, Facebook links, etc. I do like the way the site looks now.

[RyanRSheets]

Don't know who this is:
www.SchiffSuperBomb.com - Nov. 5th

If they want to promote it as their own I say we should encourage it. The main thing I want to see is a unified ticker for the day!

[RyanRSheets]

I don't like the idea. We had a Rand Paul & Kokesh money bomb on the same day and all it did was overshadow Kokesh's moneybomb.

Are you referring to the September 30th thing? Honestly that was a terrible day for any money bomb. Every candidate is going to push at quarter end.

[brandon]

I find this all so silly.... almost embarrassing.

Just donate to whatever candidate you want on whatever day you want. Don't bicker about what the "movement" or some one else should do, as if you have control over it.

[bucfish]

Maybe we should also post how much the last winning candidate in specific race spent to win.

[SwordOfShannarah]

It seems like there was a glitch with the code that was preventing pledges. I should be fixed now. If anyone has any problem making a pledge please let me know.

[Young Paleocon]

There I've pledged to four candidates maybe more later.

[JamesButabi]

I like how you give the option to pledge to individuals. I personally would like an option to pledge to a combined bank which gets distributed evenly afterwords. This covers all your bases. Is it possible to have a main ticker with a total on top, then two separate smaller tickers beneath it (one for donations to all candidates via the November 5th site, then one for total contributions from each of the official donor sites?)


Is this a realistic suggestion or would the coding be nightmarish?

[bucfish]

I like how you give the option to pledge to individuals. I personally would like an option to pledge to a combined bank which gets distributed evenly afterwords. This covers all your bases. Is it possible to have a main ticker with a total on top, then two separate smaller tickers beneath it (one for donations to all candidates via the November 5th site, then one for total contributions from each of the official donor sites?)


Is this a realistic suggestion or would the coding be nightmarish?

I imagine do to FEC (Gubberment rules) it would be a nightmare and virtually impossible

[trey4sports]

absolutely hate the idea.

if you want a multi candidate bomb fine. have schiff, paul, kokesh, and harris as the candidates. (no disrespect) money going to these other candidates is not an efficient use of funds in an unwinnable race

[Austin]

It seems like there was a glitch with the code that was preventing pledges. I should be fixed now. If anyone has any problem making a pledge please let me know.

Am I the only one to pledge for Rand so far? krippy at gmail dot com

[ronpaulhawaii]

absolutely hate the idea.

if you want a multi candidate bomb fine. have schiff, paul, kokesh, and harris as the candidates. (no disrespect) money going to these other candidates is not an efficient use of funds in an unwinnable race

Hate??? Hmmmm... I'm wodering how much research you have put into... say Bill Hunt's race?

[bucfish]

Never under estimate any race. The passion of supporters cannot be measured in monetary form

[dr. hfn]

i could only pledge for one candidate...

[ForLiberty-RonPaul]

mods can we get a sub-forum for Nov 5th? or at least consolidate the threads?

[ronpaulhawaii]

mods can we get a sub-forum for Nov 5th? or at least consolidate the threads?

GC is kinda slow lately. GP is much more popular. Not a bad idea, though. Start a thread in Forum Feedback for admin to review. Mods can't make sub-forums and merging can be messy...

[tpreitzel]

Personally, I think November 5th for the year prior to the election should be reserved for this type of money bomb for each election cycle as a way to introduce constitutionally-minded candidates to the electorate. The masses need to understand that their prosperity and the future of their posterity lies in returning to a constitutional republic. Their support for these candidates isn't simply nice, but essential.

[SwordOfShannarah]

i could only pledge for one candidate...

I think that is fixed now. Please let me know if you still have any troubles. Thanks.

[libertarian4321]

Here's something to consider.

We can scatter shot money at 10 or 20 or 30 candidates, most of whom haven't got a snowball's chance in Hell of winning or even making a ripple in the campaign. That will pretty much ensure that NONE of them wins.

Or we can target one or two with a legitimate shot and try to get them in.

You have to get past your emotions. Just because YOU like the guy does not mean he has a chance to win. If a guy is a great Ron Paul Republican, and is running in a congressional district that is Gerrymandered to routinely vote 60+% Democrat, HE AIN'T GOING TO WIN! You have to consider the demographics of the state/district he is running in.

Kentucky will most likely elect a Republican Senator (because the state is quite conservative and trends Republican). If Rand can win the primary (far from guaranteed, but he has a shot), he'll has a very good chance to win the general election.

On the other hand, Connecticut is a VERY LIBERAL state. They typically vote for Democrats for Senator. When CT does elect a Republican to state wide office, it's typically a liberal Republican (the exact opposite of Schiff). If Schiff did manage to win the primary, he'd probably get crushed in the general election- Dodd isn't popular, but when push comes to shove, voters in New England will pick an unpopular liberal over a conservative every time. I think there is one Republican congressman in all of New England right now?

Honestly, its an uphill fight for both of them, but I think of the two, Rand has the better chance.

I'm not familiar with some of the others- are there any other candidates out there who have at least a long shot chance to win?

The best shot is to find a candidate in a traditionally Republican state/district that is not facing a Republican incumbent.

So what do you think will work better- the scatter shot approach or a targeted approach?

[Magicman]

^

Peter is up against Linda Mcmahon who has millions of dollars and is extremely organized. Ive already received a pamphlet from Linda which shows how organized her campaign is. Im hoping Peter's campaign can get on the ball and quickly advertise to his Republican constituents asap.

[ronpaulhawaii]

Here's something to consider.

We can scatter shot money at 10 or 20 or 30 candidates, most of whom haven't got a snowball's chance in Hell of winning or even making a ripple in the campaign. That will pretty much ensure that NONE of them wins.

I wonder if you have done the research on every race in the nation, from dog-catcher up? I also disagree that running races, at all levels, nationwide will not cause political pain to the establishment and make them spread themselves thin


Or we can target one or two with a legitimate shot and try to get them in.

IMO - the tyrants have a lot more resources to bring to bear than us, and targeting one or two only makes it easier for them to focus those resources and ensure no-one wins. Further, this multi-bomb idea does not take away from single candidate bombs. In fact, I believe it will enhance them because the multi-bomb has a lot more appeal nationwide and will bring others into the fold. It is not easy to convince newbies to donate to a candidate in another state, it will be easy to point them to this effort for "your" candidate, where they will be exposed to the others. For certain this will allow those who have maxxed out to one, or three of our candidates to look over and help out others. In a non-presidential year I see diminishing returns regarding our top tier candidates.


You have to get past your emotions. Just because YOU like the guy does not mean he has a chance to win. If a guy is a great Ron Paul Republican, and is running in a congressional district that is Gerrymandered to routinely vote 60+% Democrat, HE AIN'T GOING TO WIN! You have to consider the demographics of the state/district he is running in.

I disagree, there is a strong rejection of the status quo this cycle and most of us are much more experienced at what it takes to win elections. There are no "easy" districts, and I feel it is way to early to be writing off any


Kentucky will most likely elect a Republican Senator (because the state is quite conservative and trends Republican). If Rand can win the primary (far from guaranteed, but he has a shot), he'll has a very good chance to win the general election.


Yes, Rand has a decent shot, however, I fail to see how people are going to expand the donor base, for a race in a far off state, by just focusing on one race. This is not a presidential year and none of the candidates are RP.


On the other hand, Connecticut is a VERY LIBERAL state. They typically vote for Democrats for Senator. When CT does elect a Republican to state wide office, it's typically a liberal Republican (the exact opposite of Schiff). If Schiff did manage to win the primary, he'd probably get crushed in the general election- Dodd isn't popular, but when push comes to shove, voters in New England will pick an unpopular liberal over a conservative every time. I think there is one Republican congressman in all of New England right now?

Again, I think it is way too early to be writing off any candidacy.


Honestly, its an uphill fight for both of them, but I think of the two, Rand has the better chance.

I'm not familiar with some of the others- are there any other candidates out there who have at least a long shot chance to win?

Well, if you are not familiar, why do you say they have a snowballs chance? Again, I think it is way too early and we need to have people doing the research on all the candidates. The fact that you are not familiar with the down-ticket races is a strong reason for this type of bomb.


The best shot is to find a candidate in a traditionally Republican state/district that is not facing a Republican incumbent.

Suggestions???


So what do you think will work better- the scatter shot approach or a targeted approach?

Both

[itshappening]

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40 pledges now, it is starting to pick up! keep promoting it and im sure we'll get more interest :)

[SwordOfShannarah]

imo the first purpose of the grassroots in these elections is to make the candidates viable. This seems to require we raise something around 15%-20% (depending on the region and race) of what they will need for the full race. At that point the election is really already on- as in the locals have to start voting with their dollars because if they don't it means they aren't voting for our guy. So if you look at a shotgun approach that mostly focuses on making candidates viable you can see how it actually increases the chances of getting a candidate into office and is much more cost effective.

If you told me I had to make a choice of putting all of my money into two or three races regardless of whether or not there is local support, or to put my money into making 10 different candidates viable in their respective locations, I would choose the latter.

[RyanRSheets]

I had posted an entire thread about this a couple weeks back and I figured it might be worth posting what I was envisioning specifically for discussion. Some of the stuff would take some pretty sophisticated web development, but I think we could have it ready to roll at least by December 16th if we wanted to do this as sort of an anniversary bomb thing.


Currently our strategy seems to be to just throw money bomb events out there constantly for our candidates. We find ourselves fighting over who should be allowed to have a money bomb and when. Rather than having a unified effort to take this country back, we have a factionized warzone where each man has his favorite and puts that candidate before any of the others. I'm not saying this is the wrong mentality to have on a personal level, but we cannot afford to have factions! That is why I am pushing for a unified, single day money bomb event that focuses on getting all of our wonderful candidates the funding they need to be competitive in their primaries.

Most people seem to want to dismiss the idea of a multi-candidate money bomb without any conversation on the subject. I was one of those people, actually up until today. The immediate assumption is that a multi-candidate money bomb would be an attempt to split donations between multiple candidates. Obviously this would be incredibly confusing, cumbersome and a waste of time.

What I'm thinking, though, is that we could all decide on a date. I suggest December 16th. On that date, we will all donate to our favorites. The catch is that we will promote the event as a single body and we will use a single website as its vehicle. I will go into more detail about what I want to see on the website below, but the main thing I think would be good would be a single, unified ticker displaying total donations for the day among all involved candidates. This would give it the feel of a big money bomb like we used to have with Ron Paul and it would generate much more excitement.

The ultimate goal of all of these campaigns is to take the country back, right? I feel that this approach is more in line with the premise of the money bomb. It used to be that we had money bombs so we could all get together and donate for the cause of Liberty on the same day. Does it not make sense that we should do the same today?

Furthermore, how much easier would it be to promote a national, full-scale event for candidates all over the country than a single candidate? We would truly be taking a stand for a cause, not a man. This would be a pretty unique event that would generate natural buzz. It has the potential to go viral for that reason.

This would demonstrate to those who are on the edge that we mean to take this country back, and it would probably bring a lot of new people on board. We could use the website as a platform to do mass email campaigns on media personalities and I'm sure we could get people like Glenn Beck to talk about it. This idea would spread like wildfire at tea parties.

So, now that I've given some of my reasoning, here is what I envision for the web site.

1) Unified ticker - This is the single most important part. We want to demonstrate to the country and to ourselves that we can raise a ton of money for our cause. We did it for Ron in 2007 and I'm positive we can do it again; the movement has grown.
2) A goal - Add up what we think each candidate will need to make it past their primary and total it together. That's the long term goal. Obviously we want to be careful how high we set the goal per event, but if we promote it well we can bring in millions.
3) A sidebar showing each candidate's progress toward their goal, updated in realtime.
4) The website should have the ability to direct people toward's candidates. I want this to be as much about having a free choice as possible, but I want to emphasize that it's about getting all of these candidates what they need to compete. This is about taking the country back, not a single office. Obviously money is going to gravitate toward the Senate campaigns, but this feature would help us fund the Representative campaigns.
5) The pledge system, in my opinion, should only request an email address. We don't need to know how much money people are willing to give until the day of the event. The focus should be solely on ensuring that as many people as possible hear about the event.
6) Bios and stats for every candidate are a must. These could be written by the candidates themselves.
7) The system we will use for deciding who makes the list should be debated heavily. I want there to be a consensus that the list is made up of good, honest candidates who will absolutely take their oath seriously. We should probably also have a priority system.

[ronpaulhawaii]

Site is coming along. I'm liking it :)

[itshappening]

185 pledges wow!

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we are up and running, GO Trevor!

[itshappening]

the guy from GA who is leading the pledges, his website doesn't work

http://www.georgiafirst.org/

:confused:

[Deborah K]

Schiff website link isn't working either.

[Flash]

Both of those sites are working fine for me.

[Deborah K]

i'm getting a "forbidden" "this is danish" nasty gram.

[Flash]

the guy from GA who is leading the pledges, his website doesn't work

http://www.georgiafirst.org/

:confused:

I can't believe he is leading in pledges, this is great news! I'm telling everyone in Georgia about him.

[tpreitzel]

I can't believe he is leading in pledges, this is great news! I'm telling everyone in Georgia about him.

Really, you shouldn't be surprised. People in this movement are looking for candidates with the backbone to pursue constitutional liberty in spite of formidable opposition. People see Ray as a fighter for their freedom to succeed or fail.

[SwordOfShannarah]

I just updated the pledge amounts so they now read $25.

[tpreitzel]

I just updated the pledge amounts so they now read $25.

Thanks ... I've pledged as a result. ;)

[itshappening]

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300+ pledges, the naysayers will be fuming...

we could do with some graphics folks to make some banners and some video editors to produce some amazing video, there's lots of material :)

[SwordOfShannarah]

Thanks ... I've pledged as a result. ;)

I hope many more do or this will have been a significant mistake. We just halved our money and the pledge rate hasn't even come close to doubling. I really think I shouldn't have caved in to this.. so far.

[jt8025]

I will be giving $50 so I pledged with two of my e-mails.

[RyanRSheets]

Any plans for a unified ticker on the day of the event? I know it would take a fair amount of work to pull off, but it would absolutely make it more exciting if people could see how much was donated to Liberty on the 5th of November.

[MRoCkEd]

Any plans for a unified ticker on the day of the event? I know it would take a fair amount of work to pull off, but it would absolutely make it more exciting if people could see how much was donated to Liberty on the 5th of November.

True

[SwordOfShannarah]

Any plans for a unified ticker on the day of the event? I know it would take a fair amount of work to pull off, but it would absolutely make it more exciting if people could see how much was donated to Liberty on the 5th of November.

I was definitely planning on totaling donations and posting the sum on the page. I don't know it would be in a ticker but it would bt a total raised for the day.

There are a lot of suggestions but the only way it's worth taking action on any of them is if we have the pledges to show this will be a success. I spend a LOT of my free time on this as it is so if people can't be bothered to pledge what is the point?

[ronpaulhawaii]

I think it will pick up. We have a lot more challenges in a non-prez year than we did for the orig bombs. I think everyone needs to push this hard on all their groups. I'll be contacting Jim Azzola next to get it out to his Meet-Up lists... I'm glad you lowered the pledge amount, After all, it is just a pledge... Am wondering if it would be good to get James's video on top...?

[Deborah K]

Still no Devore? Surely you agree he's got to be better than Boxer and the GOP's choice. No? Am I confused about what the goal is?

[JamesButabi]

Im pledging as a result of the halving

[bucfish]

I think it will pick up. We have a lot more challenges in a non-prez year than we did for the orig bombs. I think everyone needs to push this hard on all their groups. I'll be contacting Jim Azzola next to get it out to his Meet-Up lists... I'm glad you lowered the pledge amount, After all, it is just a pledge... Am wondering if it would be good to get James's video on top...?


A good video for the event would help greatly!

<Edit> Nice video. YouTube - This November 5th: Defenders of Liberty (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_EbEUE_sBc&feature=sub) It should be put on top!

[RyanRSheets]

I was definitely planning on totaling donations and posting the sum on the page. I don't know it would be in a ticker but it would bt a total raised for the day.

There are a lot of suggestions but the only way it's worth taking action on any of them is if we have the pledges to show this will be a success. I spend a LOT of my free time on this as it is so if people can't be bothered to pledge what is the point?

It's been forever since I've really done web design otherwise I would definitely work on a unified ticker myself. I want to see this happen again on the 16th. Ultimately a manually updated progress bar would still be excellent, and it would be very simple. It would take a lot of fancy programming and coordination to automate it, but if we can at least get a manual one for the 5th and make it reasonably successful, maybe we can really go all out for the 16th. I'm definitely here to help and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

[tpreitzel]

I hope many more do or this will have been a significant mistake. We just halved our money and the pledge rate hasn't even come close to doubling. I really think I shouldn't have caved in to this.. so far.

In the end, it won't matter. People will donate to whomever in whatever quantity that they choose regardless of the posted amounts. The prime issue is spreading the word. As I've stated elsewhere, one month for promotion isn't really enough, but we're stuck with the limitation for this event. Now, we need PROMOTION. Did I say, promotion?

[ForLiberty-RonPaul]

we need videos now people. and lots of comments everywhere. don't be bashful!

[itshappening]

PLEDGE !

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we need to promote this more!

[itshappening]

we need videos now people. and lots of comments everywhere. don't be bashful!

Yes, we need some video editors and spread it on youtube.


There is plenty of material !

[bucfish]

Jamsie stepped up

[DXDoug]

indeed we need to always rememeber the 5th of november

[ronpaulhawaii]

Promote!!!

[bucfish]

Join the Facebook cause and spread it to all your Facebook friends

[Flash]

http://georgiafirst.org/governor/enter.shtml

Ray McBerry's website is now linking to Thisnovember5th.com

[itshappening]

over 400 pledges, this is great!

And we have a video thanks to Jamsie :)

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[ForLiberty-RonPaul]

www.youtube.com/ThisNovember5th2009

[itshappening]

bump

[tpreitzel]

Hopefully, this money bomb is being promoted beyond RPFs. ;) Try meetup groups, personal contacts, etc. Maybe, we should spend a couple thousand on a strategically located billboard promoting this idea. Lots and lots of people out there that would support this idea... in fact, hundreds of thousands...

[rprprs]

PLEDGE !...

I did.

(I could only pledge for 4 of the candidates. Wish I could have done more, but gotta save up... Dec. 16th will be here before ya know I it.) ;)

[SwordOfShannarah]

I just added two new candidates... more to come.

[bucfish]

I just added two new candidates... more to come.

Good idea! Then get the candidates to compete for #1 in pledges.

Competition is good

[tpreitzel]

Personally, I'd limit the candidates to around 50, i.e. one for each state. No, I wouldn't compromise the criteria for inclusion just to have one candidate per state nor would I necessarily limit the number of candidates to one per state. I'd shoot for about a maximum of 50 candidates, though, with as wide a distribution among the 50 states as possible. However, too many candidates will possibly turn off potential donors because of the unwieldy process of going through page after page of candidates. Use the process wisely to educate donors on the candidates, encourage maximum participation, and minimize a potential donor's time spent of the process of reviewing and selecting a candidate. Keep up the great work.

PS. The current focus for including candidates running for county sheriff, US Congress, and governorships is a fine idea because these positions are critically important for all of us. We need sheriffs like Mack. We need governors like McBerry. We need congressmen like Paul.

[SwordOfShannarah]

Still no Devore? Surely you agree he's got to be better than Boxer and the GOP's choice. No? Am I confused about what the goal is?


I don't know if this question was asked after you and I agreed he needed a better issues page or not. Either way he has no issues page so he can't be listed. Once he takes the time to clearly state where he stands on the issues I'll be happy to take a look.

[Deborah K]

I don't know if this question was asked after you and I agreed he needed a better issues page or not. Either way he has no issues page so he can't be listed. Once he takes the time to clearly state where he stands on the issues I'll be happy to take a look.

Yes, I posted a subsequent response stating that he does have an issues page. You were under the impression that his issues page was all links to interviews. But actually, each link is a written response. See here: http://www.chuckdevore.com/inner.asp?z=2

[itshappening]

546 pledges!!

Spread it!


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[Deborah K]

546 pledges!!

Spread it!


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Would love to but I'm in a quandary. I am trying to get DeVore elected to replace Barbara Boxer. He is not on the moneybomb list. If I promote the moneybomb and Devore separately, I will get a barrage of emails asking me why DeVore is not on the moneybomb site. Don't want to go there.

[SwordOfShannarah]

Yes, I posted a subsequent response stating that he does have an issues page. You were under the impression that his issues page was all links to interviews. But actually, each link is a written response. See here: http://www.chuckdevore.com/inner.asp?z=2

Great- then from his issues page you'll be able to show me clearly what he thinks about the Fed, whether or not he is pro war, his position on the patriot act (I see no mention of civil liberties on his site), his support for hemp on his energy issues page, etc.

Please point out all of the "Ron Paul" positions he stands for and we'll all go look because I don't think I see one at this point.

[Deborah K]

So, it's not about not having an issues page - it's about him not addressing the issues that would make him appear more in line with Ron Paul. My mistake. I didn't know there was no leeway.

Sorry, but I don't think this movement can afford to be that puritanical in our philosophies. DeVore would be a marked improvement over Boxer even if he doesn't pass the litmus test to be a part of this moneybomb. My goal is and always has been to get rid of the status quo. NOT by replacing them with more of the same, which I strongly believe DeVore is not. At this juncture it's a bit unrealistic to expect all opposition to the status quo to fall in line with every one of Ron Paul's political ideologies.

Since I live in Cali, and my state is falling apart. I choose to make supporting DeVore my priority. I've pledged on your site and wish it great success, but will not be promoting it for the reasons already mentioned.

Blessings be upon you.

[SwordOfShannarah]

So, it's not about not having an issues page - it's about him not addressing the issues that would make him appear more in line with Ron Paul. My mistake. I didn't know there was no leeway.

Sorry, but I don't think this movement can afford to be that puritanical in our philosophies. DeVore would be a marked improvement over Boxer even if he doesn't pass the litmus test to be a part of this moneybomb. My goal is and always has been to get rid of the status quo. NOT by replacing them with more of the same, which I strongly believe DeVore is not. At this juncture it's a bit unrealistic to expect all opposition to the status quo to fall in line with every one of Ron Paul's political ideologies.

Since I live in Cali, and my state is falling apart. I choose to make supporting DeVore my priority. I've pledged on your site and wish it great success, but will not be promoting it for the reasons already mentioned.

Blessings be upon you.

I have another project for the 16th that will be open to all candidates regardless of their positions, that project is about flipping the house. Devore is welcome for that one and details will be coming soon.

Regarding his issues page and candidates like Ron Paul on the 5th... we're in RonPaulForums, I think the obvious conclusion is we're supporting candidates that side with Ron Paul. I would think that if we were going to do something other than that we should talk about it first and not just assume the site would list anyone regardless of where they stand on the issues.

I have to say acting surprised that I would only be interested in listing candidates who are like Ron Paul is totally unfair. And clearly if I'm asking for an explanation of where he stands on the issues it's because I'm concerned with where he stands on the issues. It sounds like you've known all along that Devore is not a Ron Paul guy and it's taken you this long to mention it.

If you don't want to push for Rand Paul and Adam Kokesh and all the other great candidates on this site simply because it's for Ron Paul candidates only.. I don't know what to say to that.

Blessings be upon you as well.

[Deborah K]

I have another project for the 16th that will be open to all candidates regardless of their positions, that project is about flipping the house. Devore is welcome for that one and details will be coming soon.

Regarding his issues page and candidates like Ron Paul on the 5th... we're in RonPaulForums, I think the obvious conclusion is we're supporting candidates that side with Ron Paul. I would think that if we were going to do something other than that we should talk about it first and not just assume the site would list anyone regardless of where they stand on the issues.

I have to say acting surprised that I would only be interested in listing candidates who are like Ron Paul is totally unfair. And clearly if I'm asking for an explanation of where he stands on the issues it's because I'm concerned with where he stands on the issues. It sounds like you've known all along that Devore is not a Ron Paul guy and it's taken you this long to mention it.

If you don't want to push for Rand Paul and Adam Kokesh and all the other great candidates on this site simply because it's for Ron Paul candidates only.. I don't know what to say to that.

Blessings be upon you as well.

I think your idea about 'flipping the house' is a great one. And no, you would be mistaken in assuming that I know that Devore is not a Ron Paul guy. I know no such thing. I was refering to your requirements that he have an issues page that speaks to Ron Paul's major issues. I was not aware of that being a requirement when I asked you to put him on the site.

I know DeVore has great respect for Dr.Paul and agrees with him on many issues but not all. On economics, they seem to be in line, but he is an energy guy, his major issue seems to be on helping America become energy independent and he opposes the democratic moratorium on off-shore drilling in Cali. He's a tad bit more hawkish than I'd like, but I've yet to see the perfect candidate.

[dr. hfn]

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[itshappening]

700+ Pledges now!

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[ForLiberty-RonPaul]

bump for 1114 pledges!

[dr. hfn]

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