Whole Foods protest *sigh*

[LittleLightShining]

Operation Hey Mackey! - Whole Foods, Oakland on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/6774515)

Health care is not a frickin human right, damnit. My word these people make me crazy. A friend of mine just posted this to her facebook page in a very favorable light. Calgon! Take me away!

[MRoCkEd]

How hilarious would it be if the owner of the store brought ought a rifle and said "leave or get shot!!!!!!!!!"?

[muh_roads]

sigh is right...Why won't people analyze why health care costs are going up? This was never a problem decades ago.

These people aren't even useful idiots...they're just idiots.

[LittleLightShining]

Hah! That would be great, actually. Apparently a bunch of farmer/activists from VT went down for the G20 and did a direct action at that same store. They planted raised beds blocking the doorway, chanting some crap about evil profits. I'm going to try ti find out which farms they own and go demand they fork over some produce. Food is a human right, they shouldn't be trying to make a profit from it.

[JoshLowry]

He's greedy because he won't pay for their healthcare?

Interesting...

[NYgs23]

To folks like this, "rights" are whatever stuff they want to have. To them, real scarcity does not exist, and the state is a font of superabundance.

[fletcher]

He's swine because he wants to reduce health care costs for everyone and actually knows how to achieve it? Why don't these people just come out and say what they really want: more government. It has nothing to do with health care.

[LibertyEagle]

Disgusting. :(

[LibertyEagle]

He's swine because he wants to reduce health care costs for everyone and actually knows how to achieve it? Why don't these people just come out and say what they really want: more government. It has nothing to do with health care.

I think they're too damn ignorant to get that.

[amy31416]

They want "free" healthcare? Any one of them is welcome to come on over, I'll be doing free surgeries all day every Tuesday and Thursday. I specialize in plastic surgery using recycled water bottles.

I'm all environmental and they should like that too.

[Epic]

Mackey was more communist than any of them ever were:
http://www.libertyunbound.com/archive/2006_06/mackey-winning.html

Creating the store changed his mind.

Considering that he has provided healthcare for tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands, how can anyone say he should do more?

I don't think anybody protesting has provided healthcare benefits for tens of thousands of people.

[brandon]

They want "free" healthcare? Any one of them is welcome to come on over, I'll be doing free surgeries all day every Tuesday and Thursday. I specialize in plastic surgery using recycled water bottles.

I'm all environmental and they should like that too.

I might have to come see you before my thread reaches 2500 posts. :o

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

video made my video card crash halfway

[amy31416]

I might have to come see you before my thread reaches 2500 posts. :o

Allrighty then! :p

[SLSteven]

Not sure which was more painful...the message or the music

[swirling_vortex]

Don't these people have better things to do, such as getting a job? Besides, if they think Mr. Macky is such a greedy swine, then why are they shopping at his store?

Oh, and that music was horribly out of tune. As a flutist myself, that flute playing made me cringe.

[Elwar]

I couldn't hear the sound but from the looks of things they don't like all of that expensive organic food that Whole Foods sells and they'd rather go to Kroger and get the good corn syrup food for less money so that they can afford health insurance.

Oh, and it looks like most of those women shouldn't be dancing when they're so late in their terms.

[Bucjason]

If they stopped shopping at Whole Foods , they'd have more than enough money to buy Health Insurance...

[angelatc]

They want "free" healthcare? Any one of them is welcome to come on over, I'll be doing free surgeries all day every Tuesday and Thursday. I specialize in plastic surgery using recycled water bottles.

I'm all environmental and they should like that too.

As long as you're and your staffers are reusing stuff, like instruments, bandages and stuff, you can advertise by telling everybody that you've taken the whole gang green!

[LittleLightShining]

As long as you're and your staffers are reusing stuff, like instruments, bandages and stuff, you can advertise by telling everybody that you've taken the whole gang green!

Bwahahahahaha!!!!

[angelatc]

I couldn't hear the sound but from the looks of things they don't like all of that expensive organic food that Whole Foods sells

Whole Foods isn't organic.



If they stopped shopping at Whole Foods , they'd have more than enough money to buy Health Insurance...

And if he stopped treating his employees so well, he wouldn't have to charge so much for his food.

Their stock at or near a 52 week high, so apparently the markets reeeeeaaaalllly worried about the protests.

[amy31416]

As long as you're and your staffers are reusing stuff, like instruments, bandages and stuff, you can advertise by telling everybody that you've taken the whole gang green!

*snort*! :D

[angelatc]

Don't these people have better things to do, such as getting a job? Besides, if they think Mr. Macky is such a greedy swine, then why are they shopping at his store?

.

I think they feel the same way a lot of us ol school republicans felt when we first realized what a dirtbag Hannity actually is.

The store caters to a very progressive mindset. They apparrently projected an image of a corporate philosophy that didn't exist onto the store, and feel betrayed now that the truth has slapped them square in the face.

I pretty much guarantee you won't see Whole Foods and John Mackey in the new Michael Moore movie.

[ravedown]

i thought he allowed his employees to vote on the kind of health care they received and they voted for it by 70%? maybe they should protest the workers that voted for it -picket their cars or march outside their homes?

[dannno]

If they stopped shopping at Whole Foods , they'd have more than enough money to buy Health Insurance...

But then they would be at much greater risk of getting sick and dying :confused:

You see what your government subsidized garbage does to society? That is why our country is so unhealthy. Look at the statistics for heart disease and cancer.

[dannno]

And if he stopped treating his employees so well, he wouldn't have to charge so much for his food.



No, he charges that much for his food because that is how much it costs to grow food on overpriced land with overpriced education being paid for with property taxes as well as overpriced energy being used to produce the food.. all of these sectors are overpriced because of the Federal Reserve and government policy. Workers are overpriced as well because they are required to pay high prices on things that people require (housing/energy).

Grocery store food, on the other hand, is subsidized by the government.. and that is why it is so cheap to shop at grocery stores.. not because the food is that much cheaper to produce, but because our government steals from some people and gives it to those who shop at grocery stores.

I choose not to be bribed with welfare in trade for unhealthy food.

[Bucjason]

But then they would be at much greater risk of getting sick and dying :confused: Sounds like a dumb idea to me.



Ridiculous.

Post proof that people that shop at Whole Foods are living longer than people that shop at Publix....you can't , because they aren't.

[dannno]

Ridiculous.

Post proof that people that shop at Whole Foods are living longer than people that shop at Publix....you can't , because they aren't.

Bullshit they aren't!

You are full of it, you have no clue what you are talking about with regards to food.

Please hold.

[dannno]

Report Confirms More Health Benefits of Organic food

Public release date: 3-Mar-2003

Contact: Allison Byrum
a_byrum@acs.org
202-872-4400
American Chemical Society

Allison Byrum

Organically grown foods higher in cancer-fighting chemicals than
conventionally grown foods

Fruits and veggies grown organically show significantly higher levels of
cancer-fighting antioxidants than conventionally grown foods, according to a
new study of corn, strawberries and marionberries. The research suggests
that pesticides and herbicides actually thwart the production of phenolics <
chemicals that act as a plant's natural defense and also happen to be good
for our health.


http://www.organicconsumers.org/organic/polyphenolics031203.cfm




Recent research conducted on organic milk has shown that it has more anti-oxidants, omega 3, CLA, and vitamins than non organic milk. According to the researchers at the Danish Institute of Agricultural Research, University of Aberdeen, and the Institute of Grassland and Environmental Research, organic milk is healthier than non organic milk as organic cows are pasture grazed which results in better quality milk.

Research on the health benefits of organic milk has increased the hopes of numerous people who strongly believe that mankind should stop using chemical fertilizers and pesticides and shift to the more sustainable organic farming practices.


http://www.organicfacts.net/organic-food/organic-food-basics/health-benefits-of-organic-food.html


But seriously, you don't need studies.. fuck "organic" labels... all you have to do is visit a grocery store and then visit a Whole Foods... If you have any intelligence you will notice a huge difference in the types of foods being sold.

Then go a local farmer, talk to them about how they grow their food and go from there. Buying local is really the key, because that ensures that you are staying away from the factory farms that sell to major grocery chains..

[Bucjason]

Hold for what?? I already posted a study in another thread saying that there is no correlation between organic food and a higher life expectancy. None whatsoever.

The only retort you could muster was basically, " The government must have sponsered that study...it's a conspiracy"

The organic movement is a fraud , get over it.

[dannno]

Hold for what?? I already posted a study in another thread saying that there is no correlation between organic food and a higher life expectancy. None whatsoever.

The only retort you could muster was basically, " The government must have sponsered that study...it's a conspiracy"

The organic movement is a fraud , get over it.

Yes, it's a fucking conspiracy between Monsanto who OWNS the FDA, various Ag businesses and our government. Conspiracies happen all of the time. It's pretty foolish for you to think that they don't.

Do you have any idea how many bullshit studies there are about cannabis?? It took a conspiracy to show that cannabis is 4 times more likely to cause lung cancer than cigarettes.. ya know why?? Cause there IS NO correlation between lung cancer and cannabis, and in fact cannabis has a lot of anti-cancer properties, so it has in fact been shown that there is a negative correlation in some cases!!

I can't believe you have such a lovefest for the FDA and all of their bullshit studies.

[LittleLightShining]

Hold for what?? I already posted a study in another thread saying that there is no correlation between organic food and a higher life expectancy. None whatsoever.

The only retort you could muster was basically, " The government must have sponsered that study...it's a conspiracy"

The organic movement is a fraud , get over it.

The organic movement isn't a fraud. Growing food organically protects the integrity of the soil. Commercially grown foods kill the nematodes and good bacteria in the soil, which creates a cycle of having to constantly apply fertilizer and pesticides to the soil. How you can say that food grown with pesticides and herbicides is somehow just as healthy as food that isn't is beyond me.

Essay question:
If you had a choice between an apple from a tree sprayed with pesticides or a tree grown on healthy soil, both unblemished, and costing the same amount of money which would you choose? Why

[Bucjason]

Then go a local farmer, talk to them about how they grow their food and go from there. Buying local is really the key, because that ensures that you are staying away from the factory farms that sell to major grocery chains..

and you think your local farmer doesn't use any pesticides to protect the crops that are his livlehood ??

Dream on.

I assume your local guy has a Kool-aid stand you drink from also?? LOL

[angelatc]

No, he charges that much for his food because that is how much it costs to grow food on overpriced land with overpriced education being paid for with property taxes as well as overpriced energy being used to produce the food.. all of these sectors are overpriced because of the Federal Reserve and government policy. Workers are overpriced as well because they are required to pay high prices on things that people require (housing/energy).

Grocery store food, on the other hand, is subsidized by the government.. and that is why it is so cheap to shop at grocery stores.. not because the food is that much cheaper to produce, but because our government steals from some people and gives it to those who shop at grocery stores.

I choose not to be bribed with welfare in trade for unhealthy food.

Uh, yeah.....ok. Just because my husband has been in the food business for 30+ years and was Whole Foods senior management for 10 of them doesn't *necessarily* mean I know more about their supply chain than you ever will, I suppose.

[dannno]

and you think your local farmer doesn't use any pesticides to protect the crops that are his livlehood ??

Dream on.

I assume your local guy has a Kool-aid stand you drink from also?? LOL

No, they don't spray because I ask them about it. In fact I used to work for one of my local farmers. If they use sprays they use natural pesticides like neem oil. Neem oil comes from a plant and it is perfectly healthy. Monsanto won't sell it because they can't patent it. There are many other methods for keeping away pests that don't involve chemicals. Monsanto only sells chemicals because that is what they can patent and corner the market with. Then they convince the govt to give money to farmers who buy their products. Conspiracy. Reality. Accept it. It is amazing what a strong stance you have on this issue considering you know virtually NOTHING about it..

[angelatc]

The organic movement isn't a fraud. Growing food organically protects the integrity of the soil. Commercially grown foods kill the nematodes and good bacteria in the soil, which creates a cycle of having to constantly apply fertilizer and pesticides to the soil. How you can say that food grown with pesticides and herbicides is somehow just as healthy as food that isn't is beyond me.

Essay question:
If you had a choice between an apple from a tree sprayed with pesticides or a tree grown on healthy soil, both unblemished, and costing the same amount of money which would you choose? Why

Whole Foods isn't organic.

[Bucjason]

Whole Foods isn't organic.

True ...it's overpriced crap with a label that says "healthy" on it.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Surprisingly, considering Whole Foods is aka: Whole Paycheck.

Well the lefty socialists "Starbuck eyewear" clowns are progressive with their delivery. Too bad they forgot to wipe 'MORON' off of their foreheads.

I give them a generous C- only because they used a musical delivery, tI can imagine Toni Basil is facepalming when she sees this.


He's greedy because he won't pay for their healthcare?

Interesting...

[LittleLightShining]

Whole Foods isn't organic.

Oh, I know. I didn't say they are, though I imagine they must sell some organic products. I was responding to bucjason's assertions that the organic movement is a sham.

This isn't really an organic/non-organic issue. The issue is these clowns invading a business and putting on a twinkletoes crybaby show because the CEO isn't who they thought he was.

[dannno]

Uh, yeah.....ok. Just because my husband has been in the food business for 30+ years and was Whole Foods senior management for 10 of them doesn't *necessarily* mean I know more about their supply chain than you ever will, I suppose.

Read my post, it has NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR SUPPLY CHAIN and EVERYTHING to do with macroeconomics that we discuss on this forum every day. Everything I said is perfectly in line with Schiff/Paul/Austrian School economics.

[sevin]

Umm... Well, back on topic. Those people are fucking retarded.

[angelatc]

True ...it's overpriced crap with a label that says "healthy" on it.

There is a rather lengthy list of chemicals that they guarantee will not be found in any of their food. And to their credit, they absolutely enforce that. People can and do get fired for trying to skirt those rules occasionally.

(They are a little more lenient about health codes - Google Whole Foods rats)

Coca Cola qualifies to be sold in their stores, but some of the other Coke products, like Diet Coke, don't. With Coke it's an all-or nothing thing, meaning that Whole Foods can't opt just to carry part of the Coke line, so none of it is available there.

Most Whole Foods customers don't shop exclusively at Whole Foods. They pick up their organic stuff at Wal-Mart, and come to Whole Foods for their personal gourmet favorites.

[dannno]

Whole Foods isn't organic.

That is irrelevent, because they aren't contracting with the same factory farms that Vons/WalMart/Grocery chains buy from, they are contracting with smaller farmers. I don't care about organic labels, I care about the attitude of factory farms and destroying the soil and giving Monsanto a return on their lobbying efforts. If you shop at grocery stores you are giving Monsanto a bigger return on their lobbying efforts.

If you grow food you know how important good soil is, if you don't, then perhaps I suggest you do some research on the subject.

This is also about the environment. Chemical pesticides destroy the environment when they runoff the property of the farmer. This could be considered a violation of property rights.

[dannno]

They pick up their organic stuff at Wal-Mart, and come to Whole Foods for their personal gourmet favorites.

I would never buy organic food at WalMart. That's disgusting.. and I highly doubt it's actually organic..

[Bucjason]

You have no clue what the local weirdo you buy veggies from is using as a pesticide Dannno, he could still be using DDT for all you know , LOL

[angelatc]

Umm... Well, back on topic. Those people are fucking retarded.

BUt they're mean. They'll beat you up and take your stuff.

[angelatc]

That is irrelevent, because they aren't contracting with the same factory farms that Vons/WalMart/Grocery chains buy from, they are contracting with smaller farmers. .

It's pretty obvious you don't really know very much about the food supply chains. Not saying that you're wrong about Monsanto, but you would do well to avoid that particular point when discussing these issues with people outside our little world.

[Bucjason]

The fact is we are all going to live for as long as we're lucky enough to live , and then 98% of us are going to die due to causes totally UNRELATED to food.

That's a fact, so enjoy life , and have a greasy cheeseburger from time to time. It will cheer your grouchy ass up.

[dannno]

You have no clue what the local weirdo you buy veggies from is using as a pesticide Dannno, he could still be using DDT for all you know , LOL



There are actually people who care.. I know there are plenty of people like you who don't give a rats ass about anything, but that's fine, people like you get what you deserve. I'm just trying to make sure that you don't bring down other people to your level.

[dannno]

It's pretty obvious you don't really know very much about the food supply chains. Not saying that you're wrong about Monsanto, but you would do well to avoid that particular point when discussing these issues with people outside our little world.

Oh, OK, my bad.... all the grocery stores buy their foods from small local farms, but the small local vegetable stands, farmer's markets, Trader Joe's and Whole Foods get their veggies from the Monsanto factory farms that the government subsidizes.. you're completely right, I was wrong, I'm sorry.

:rolleyes:

C'mon Angela, this isn't difficult stuff to think about logically..

[dannno]

The fact is we are all going to live for as long as we're lucky enough to live , and then 98% of us are going to die due to causes totally UNRELATED to food.

Actually MOST people die from causes RELATED to their diet... Especially in this country.




That's a fact, so enjoy life , and have a greasy cheeseburger from time to time. It will cheer your grouchy ass up.

I had a greasy cheeseburger like 5 or 6 months ago..it was delicious.. but it was from grassfed beef. Nothing wrong with grassfed beef and organic cheddar on a sprouted roll... I'll probably have another one some day.

The only thing that bums me out is people who don't care enough to look past the yellow triangle (yellow triangle refers to the consumption portion of the food supply chain)

[LibertyWorker]

Umm... Well, back on topic. Those people are fucking retarded.

Why ?

Nice Video

1 People that believe in something

2 There out spreading the word about their cause

3 There having fun

I don’t agree with them on the issue of heath care.

I’d much rather have people like this in the world with passions and convictions. And less zombie sheep that make up the population now.

I think we need to stop writing off people because we don’t agree on some issues.

Set aside the health care issue and ask anyone of them what they think about the wars. You might find a new ally.

[Bucjason]

I will garantee I out-live Dannno .

GARANTEE!

anyone want to put money on it???:p

[dannno]

I will garantee I out-live Dannno .

GARANTEE!

anyone want to put money on it???:p


$10 million right here.

[fletcher]

Why ?

Nice Video

1 People that believe in something

2 There out spreading the word about their cause

3 There having fun

I don’t agree with them on the issue of heath care.

I’d much rather have people like this in the world with passions and convictions. And less zombie sheep that make up the population now.

I think we need to stop writing off people because we don’t agree on some issues.

Set aside the health care issue and ask anyone of them what they think about the wars. You might find a new ally.

Why are they retards? Because they are attacking a person for offering reforms for reducing health care costs. They are not attacking his views, they are attacking him. They call him swine, greedy, rich; for what reason? It's not because he said 'I'm rich and I don't care about your health care.' His employees can attest that he does care about others health care. No, they are calling him names because he understands that the only way to reduce the cost of health care is to reduce government control and increase individual control. They aren't out spreading any cause. What is their cause? They need health care? Then why are they attacking someone for offering solutions to the high cost of health care?? Grade A fucking retards.

[heavenlyboy34]

How ironic, considering that many of the products Whole Foods sells (vitamins, fresh produce, etc) would help eliminate the need for government "health care" if people used them.

[LibertyWorker]

Why are they retards? They are not attacking his views, they are attacking him. They call him swine, greedy, rich; for what reason?

And you called them Fucking Retards.

Way to take the high ground.

Learn to relax.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Oh, OK, my bad.... all the grocery stores buy their foods from small local farms, but the small local vegetable stands, farmer's markets, Trader Joe's and Whole Foods get their veggies from the Monsanto factory farms that the government subsidizes.. you're completely right, I was wrong, I'm sorry.

:rolleyes:

C'mon Angela, this isn't difficult stuff to think about logically..


FUNNY :D... SO TRUE Danno.

Why do you think the Grubamint wants to shutdown all the local/roadside stands, or at least regulate them so much, it's not feasible to trun a profit.

F%$kin Fascists are controlling it all. Too bad we can get the American morons away from their boobtube MSM propaganda crap to understand what's truly happening across the nation.

Damnit.. they even outlawing it in counties/cities across the nation that you have to deal produce via ATM/CREDIT/RECORD machines. RECORDS RECORDS RECORDS.

[fletcher]

And you called them Fucking Retards.

Way to take the high ground.

Learn to relax.

Deserved and with reason, which I provided. They're calling him names without reason and undeserved, in his own store. And I know how to relax. I'm doing it now.

[LibForestPaul]

He's swine because he wants to reduce health care costs for everyone and actually knows how to achieve it? Why don't these people just come out and say what they really want: more government. It has nothing to do with health care.

I want YOU to pay for MY health. Damn you, damn you to heck!

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Hold for what?? I already posted a study in another thread saying that there is no correlation between organic food and a higher life expectancy. None whatsoever.

The only retort you could muster was basically, " The government must have sponsered that study...it's a conspiracy"

The organic movement is a fraud , get over it.

I saw a report that even if a food is 'organic' it may be a GMO food, and there's tons of GMO food in the supply, so I would vouch that there really is no correlation if organic foods really are GMO foods, which are the REAL problem, not pesticide.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

I will garantee I out-live Dannno .

GARANTEE!

anyone want to put money on it???:p

100k says I outlive both of you :P

[dannno]

Actually I've heard that some of the pesticides in use today are worse than DDT..

[heavenlyboy34]

I saw a report that even if a food is 'organic' it may be a GMO food, and there's tons of GMO food in the supply, so I would vouch that there really is no correlation if organic foods really are GMO foods, which are the REAL problem, not pesticide.


I wouldn't go quite that far, but you have a point. :cool:

[constituent]

Don't these people have better things to do, such as getting a job?

lol, that's what trust funds are for, permanent protest.

[constituent]

True ...it's overpriced crap with a label that says "healthy" on it.

on this we do agree. i've found produce at whole foods to be complete fail most of the time. (so h-e-b has given me artificially high standards, it is what it is) their saving grace: live music on the patio, "big john" vegan chocolate chip cookies, and Goodflow Honey Co., Pure Virgin Raw Mt. Clover Honey (mmmmmmmm).

[constituent]

man, if i'd have realized how lame this thread ended up, i wouldn't have bothered posting.

mods, can i get a delete?

f* this s*, man.

[angelatc]

Oh, OK, my bad.... all the grocery stores buy their foods from small local farms, but the small local vegetable stands, farmer's markets, Trader Joe's and Whole Foods get their veggies from the Monsanto factory farms that the government subsidizes.. you're completely right, I was wrong, I'm sorry.

:rolleyes:

C'mon Angela, this isn't difficult stuff to think about logically..


We have both been on these boards far too long for me to waste any time trying to explain anything to you.

There are a myriad of reasons that Whole Foods prices are higher than the conventional grocers. But the reason you gave, and have now expounded on, is simply wrong and you look sillier and siller when you keep repeating it, even though you seem to be under the opposite impression.

Like I said, you'd be best served by just avoiding this talking point in future conversations. Spreading logical theory as fact isn't helping accomplish anything.

[JeNNiF00F00]

this is why I don't open carry. :)