Should Ron Paul pass the torch?

[Lisle16]

He's like what, 70 years old? By the time 2012 rolls around, he'll be even older.

I think a younger person who shares his principles needs to step up to the plate.

[Athan]

There is already Schiff, Kokesh and others. If you are saying not run, its his decision, but I want him to run to have America hear his message one more time and know exactly what they didn't vote for the first time.

Then in the future, no matter what, America will have to live with the consequences of its choice in 2012.

[Bruno]

there is already schiff, kokesh and others. If you are saying not run, its his decision, but i want him to run to have america hear his message one more time and know exactly what they didn't vote for the first time.

then in the future, no matter what, america will have to live with the consequences of its choice in 2012.

+ 1776

[Matt Collins]

He is 74 I believe. Getting Rand elected will ensure that those of us who value limited government continue to have at least a single voice in the federal government.

[Flash]

Send money to Kokesh, Rand Paul, or RJ Harris. All of these people are young and future leaders of this movement.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

I would like to see Thomas E. Woods Jr. go to Washington :)

[Matt Collins]

I would like to see Thomas E. Woods Jr. go to Washington :)He has no interest in that, trust me. ;)

[purplechoe]

will see what the torchbearer has to say about this...

:)

[Arklatex]

What if Paul lives to be a hundred? A senile Paul is ok with me. Not that a supported him but I remember those saying don't vote for Bob Dole when he was running because he might die - a decade later he's still alive as ever.

[TCE]

That is why the election of Rand Paul is so important. Schiff doesn't necessarily represent freedom very well. He does hold the same views, but he isn't concerned with many of them. Rand, on the other hand, has stated in his interview with Alex Jones that he wants to be involved with the government now so that when the dollar collapses, he will be the voice of reason. Schiff speaks all the time about how the dollar will fail, but not about what the U.S. will do afterwards.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

That is why the election of Rand Paul is so important. Schiff doesn't necessarily represent freedom very well. He does hold the same views, but he isn't concerned with many of them. Rand, on the other hand, has stated in his interview with Alex Jones that he wants to be involved with the government now so that when the dollar collapses, he will be the voice of reason. Schiff speaks all the time about how the dollar will fail, but not about what the U.S. will do afterwards.

That is also why we have the Mises Institute. When people go to look for answers, there they will be.

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

nt

[Carole]

He's like what, 70 years old? By the time 2012 rolls around, he'll be even older.

I think a younger person who shares his principles needs to step up to the plate.

It takes decades to develop the kind of character that merits the trust of someone like Dr. Paul. A "younger" person cannot fill Dr. Paul's shoes by virtue of being younger. It takes a philosophy developed and lived over a lifetime to be a Dr. Paul. Anything else is false or Dr. Paul "lite".

Ronald Reagan was the oldest elected President. Many presidents were in their late fifties or sixties, but lifespans differed in the early days. Today people in their sixties and older would maybe be seen as quite different than they might have in our country's early history.

It seems to me that elder statesmen were much more revered in our early days than they are now. The idea that youth and good looks should win the day is not necessarily a good thing.

With age comes wisdom. Just a few thoughts, but not proof of anything. :)


List of United States Presidents by age
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Presidents_by_age

[dannno]

I'd rather see as many torches as possible.

[Carole]

There is already Schiff, Kokesh and others. If you are saying not run, its his decision, but I want him to run to have America hear his message one more time and know exactly what they didn't vote for the first time.

Then in the future, no matter what, America will have to live with the consequences of its choice in 2012.

^This

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

I think he will run again in 2012, just to spread his message for one last time. He is so optimistic about his son, that I think he'll pass the torch after 2012. He's in very good health, and I just have a feeling...one can hope :)

The reasons why I think he'll run is twofold:

The Iraq and Afghan wars will still be going on and Afghan would have escalated tremendously.

The collapse of the dollar. He alone is the voice of the answer on Capitol Hill. He cannot pass up such an opportunity to turn this country around.

My pessimestic side of me thinks if he does win he'll be assassinated :( :( Everyone who has ran, won, and tried to implement policy against the banks has been assassinated.

[Lisle16]

I think he will run again in 2012, just to spread his message for one last time. He is so optimistic about his son, that I think he'll pass the torch after 2012. He's in very good health, and I just have a feeling...one can hope :)

The reasons why I think he'll run is twofold:

The Iraq and Afghan wars will still be going on and Afghan would have escalated tremendously.

The collapse of the dollar. He alone is the voice of the answer on Capitol Hill. He cannot pass up such an opportunity to turn this country around.

In that, I agree. :)

[specsaregood]

The collapse of the dollar. He alone is the voice of the answer on Capitol Hill. He cannot pass up such an opportunity to turn this country around.


Mark my words, if he does run again there will be 3 others up on stage parrotting his same rhetoric and talking points --they'll be lying of course -- but they will be saying the same things. It'll be like hucklebee but times 3.

[JK/SEA]

I'd feel better with that wise old man then some young punk hell bent for socialism..

And one more thing. I frankly don't see the problem with an older person in the White House. We have had some younger Presidents, and i'm not too impressed with how they did.

[CasualApathy]

I am not sure if I'd prefer Ron or Rand to run in 2012 (is it even possible for Rand to run?).

I have no doubts however that if either of them runs for president in 2012 as soon as we hear the announcement the internet will literally explode.

[klamath]

Too who??

[Bradley in DC]

I'd rather see as many torches as possible.

+1

[awake]

I would say pass the popcorn, he's got more fight in him than any man half his age.

[Carole]

He would need to select the perfect Ron Paul running mate also. :)

[Epic]

KOKESH is rock solid and has strong credentials with the left because his anti-Iraq war activism and also his good leftist rhetoric.

LAWSON isn't running this time, but has standard politician-good looks and has a tremendous ability to spread the message.

Rand Paul is good - I'm not sure to what extent he is going to emphasize issues that deviate from the republican line once he's in congress. When Ron was his age, he was pissing off the establishment by shooting from the hip.

Schiff isn't really a politician, I don't think he wants to stay in Washington long. And he just wants to talk economics, not other policies.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

He would need to select the perfect Ron Paul running mate also. :)

Imagine father son....:D

[awake]

Father and son would work very well...

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

KOKESH is rock solid and has strong credentials with the left because his anti-Iraq war activism and also his good leftist rhetoric.

LAWSON isn't running this time, but has standard politician-good looks and has a tremendous ability to spread the message.

Rand Paul is good - I'm not sure to what extent he is going to emphasize issues that deviate from the republican line once he's in congress. When Ron was his age, he was pissing off the establishment by shooting from the hip.

Schiff isn't really a politician, I don't think he wants to stay in Washington long. And he just wants to talk economics, not other policies.

I REALLY like Kokesh. He has the vigor and rhetoric I would employ if I ever ran. I really hope if our Liberty candidates get elected they will fight, and won't capitulate. It's too dire a time. If they silence you, walk out and speak to the American people. Show them the fascism first hand. Thats why when the Democrats were shutting out the GOP, and vice versa I was surprised they didn't just walk out and talk directly to the American people about what's happening.

More representatives need to actually talk with their constituency. I hope our candidates once elected show the perservance and determination that Ron Paul does.

I know if I was on Capitol Hill I would ruffle so many feathers. I would secretly tape close door meetings and show the American public their representatives subverting this country. Yeah, they wouldn't really like me because they couldn't get away with destroying this country...Of course, they would probably use some law to get me thrown away for "whistleblowing". Probably use the "National Security" bull shit.

I'm really excited for 2010 and 2012!:D

[nobody's_hero]

Another Ron Paul is Old (or getting old) thread?

Can I haz subforumz?

[scrosnoe]

I'd rather see as many torches as possible.


+1

+1000

many need to rise up and run for office from the school board to the city council to the state house - the more that file and and run and articulate the message the better off the whole country will be . . .

watch Nathan Dahm for Congress (http://nathandahm2010.com) in Oklahoma CD01 against an incumbent bailout voter

RJ and Rand and Adam need all the help they can get . . .

[hotbrownsauce]

Should Ron pass the torch? I think the grassroots is perpetuating the freedom movement to others. My concern about this on a scale of 1 to 10 is a 2.

[Bradley in DC]

I would secretly tape close door meetings and show the American public their representatives subverting this country.

Closed door meeting (singular). Who would ever trust you again? I wouldn't.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Closed door meeting (singular). Who would ever trust you again? I wouldn't.

Obviously, I wouldn't go trouncing around soon after and release the tapes. It would be much later, after I have evidence of subversion by the Government. Personally, I wouldn't care if Socialists, Marxists, or Neo-Cons trusted me or not.

If you heard in these meetings about putting Israel first, and going to war with Iran for their ends, would you not tape this and release it? Why wouldn't you?

[justinc.1089]

I think Ron Paul needs to run again, and Gary Johnson also as a backup, and to be support for Paul in the debates. Johnson and Paul would both look better if there was someone else agreeing with them and not laughing at them.

I do think though we will see some people copy Paul's points almost exactly. Some of my guesses would be Jindall, Palin, Romney, and Huckabee.

Ron is old for sure, but he could run just to invigorate the freedom movement again and help it grow. Its not that likely right now that we're powerful enough to win the presidency in 2012, and even if we were just a president couldn't be powerful enough to put an end to the mess we're in.

We will need support from some other people too.

Then there is always the possibility of Ron or anyone else that the freedom movement elected being assasinated. I mean even if we worked a miracle and got Paul elected in 2012, I personally won't be expecting drastic changes from him because I would think he would be in too much danger if he tried to make drastic changes. I just don't think electing Ron Paul or another leader in the freedom movement would work a miracle like people sometimes act like it would.

[RideTheDirt]

I'd rather see as many torches as possible.
& tar and feathers for good measure

[anaconda]

He's like what, 70 years old? By the time 2012 rolls around, he'll be even older.

I think a younger person who shares his principles needs to step up to the plate.


Ron Paul is on fire! He is fit as a fiddle and sharp as a tack. His talking points have gotten sharper and sharper with his increasing public appearances. The serious campaigning begins in only about 20 months. Having said this, any and all great liberty candidates should jump in to the primaries. Ron Paul can always endorse someone after the primaries if they become more popular than he. Ron Paul will run in 2012, I have little doubt of this. I'm sure Ron Paul would be relieved if someone younger could carry the torch and be trusted with it and be popular enough to win the White House. In the mean time, I do not believe he will stop fighting. I would be grateful to have RP in the White House even if he were confined to a wheel chair. However it is more likely that, as President, he would be pulling 10 mile daily jaunts on his mountain bike, with the secret service trying to keep up with him.

[justinc.1089]

Plus an advantage you don't think about IF Ron started losing his mind from old age while being president, he would probably do it in a good way!

Just think, they would come to tell him breakfast was ready and he was having scrambled eggs, and he would say something like "no, I am not having eggs because we cannot allow the government to subsidize scrambled eggs, what we need is more freedom of choice so that people can decide if they want their eggs scrambled, boiled, fried, sunny side up, not so sunny side up, raw, or red white and blue!"

Then as he would go on throughout his day he would just keep saying no to everything muttering no to himself as well since he has become so accustomed to saying the word no lol.

So a crazy old Paul wouldn't really be bad, unlike an old crazy McCain who would wake up in the night hurting and confused and decide it was time to nuke the asians and be done with them.:eek:

[Pauls' Revere]

I'd rather see as many torches as possible.

Yeah, storming Washington like Frankenstiens Castle.

[anaconda]

and even if we were just a president couldn't be powerful enough to put an end to the mess we're in.


A President with no debts to special interests would have remarkable powers to make changes without any help from Congress. With executive orders and with the power of the Commander In Chief, he could turn the establishment world upside down and free the masses. The main problem would be being impeached by a special interest-controlled Congress. The list is endless. The list is lengthy. He could veto any budget with a deficit, bring all of the troops home from everywhere. Fire everyone at the CIA and FBI. Introduce mass quantities of silver certificates. He could issue an executive order for the IRS to refund all tax withholdings (making him an instant hero of the people) pending confirmation of ratification of the 16th Amendment (which would fail). He could instantly pardon ALL federal tax convicts, and thereby incite and encourage others to a mass tax revolt. The list is just endless. There are obscure Constitutional provisions that the President could exploit.

[Pauls' Revere]

The age agruement is lame. What next, must have perfect teeth? and a certain weight?

[anaconda]

I do think though we will see some people copy Paul's points almost exactly. Some of my guesses would be Jindall, Palin, Romney, and Huckabee.


Bet they won't suggest bringing all of the troops home immediately. Bet they won't pledge to end the Fed. Bet they won't pledge to repeal the Patriot Act nor Military Commissions Act. Bet they won't pledge to veto unbalanced budgets. They know who they are working for. Ron Paul can easily take them to task on their authenticity. In 2012 RP will be on fire in the debates. He will make all of these neocons look ridiculous on national T.V.

[anaconda]

The age agruement is lame. What next, must have perfect teeth? and a certain weight?


Agreed. But a lot of sheeple will listen to the MSM about age. Ron needs to make sure he has endless photo ops of cruising on his mountain bike and that sort of thing. Maybe he could train for a 10K or something.

[Pauls' Revere]

Agreed. But a lot of sheeple will listen to the MSM about age. Ron needs to make sure he has endless photo ops of cruising on his mountain bike and that sort of thing. Maybe he could train for a 10K or something.

Oh guaranteed the MSM will taut or tarnish depending who they back. I'm sick of the beauty contest the selection process has become. Mitt has to be the poster boy for this event.

[Objectivist]

He's like what, 70 years old? By the time 2012 rolls around, he'll be even older.

I think a younger person who shares his principles needs to step up to the plate.

NO, people should step up to the plate and get in the game.

[Elwar]

I would love for Ron Paul to be as healthy in 2 years as he is today and ready for a fight. I'm not willing to put all of my eggs into one basket though considering anything can happen. I see Gary Johnson as the governor version of the Ron Paul Congressman. They're both lifetime Libertarian Party members, both of them got into office and refused to comprimise, voting No to the point that people should get the point (No means No).

I'd love for Schiff and Rand to win in 2010 and join as well, but they'd probably be better off in 2016 after having served enough to prove themselves (happily voting No).

I think 3-4 Liberty candidates up there would legitimize the message and let the marketplace of the campaigns determine who goes on to lead the movement.

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[torchbearer]

He passed the torch to us... now let's carry it forward.

[Bucjason]

Didn't you guys get the memo?? He officially passed the torch to ME last tuesday....

:p