Strangest Article I've Read in a While

[Cowlesy]

http://www.missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/article_e510a634-ab21-11de-a728-001cc4c002e0.html

So this $27.0M jail in Hardin Montana (city of about 3,500 ppl) has never been used, and all of a sudden the city is contracting with some strange outfit that rolls into town with 3 black mercedes SUVs with "Hardin City Police" as a logo.

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/missoulian.com/content/tncms/assets/editorial/5/a7/5d4/5a75d49e-ab22-11de-8900-001cc4c002e0.image.jpg?_dc=1254027491

The mayor doesn't like it and asks them to remove them, and the citizens are scratching their heads. They also go and hire the local town reporter at a salary of $60,000 a year to be their PR person. Everyone is wondering where all this money is coming from, from this "American Police Force" company, but no one knows.

What do you think? Bizarre article.

[Cowlesy]

Also maybe the conspiracy theorists out there know, but isn't a red shield with a double-eagle some kind of conspiracy symbol?

[torchbearer]

I thought the federal government was sending our tax dollars to police stations to help militarize them and make sure they are on the federal DHS program.

[Kotin]

the federalization of the State Police forces..

[amy31416]

Say wha? Mercedes? Fake cops? *shakes head*

[Cowlesy]

It sounds like the city built this ridiculous jail that they have no one to put into it. The State of Montana then tried to block the city from bringing in out-of-state prisoners, so the city successfully sued them to allow them to bring in out-of-state people (They wanted to house the gitmo detainees) --- then this "American Police Force" was incorporated and founded right after the gitmo-detainee stories, and they ride into town saying if they get a contract to run the prison, they'll cut a $2.5 million check to the City every year.

My simple mind thinks these guys are just trying to hoodwink some independent-yet-gullible economic development office people with some badass looking trucks and uniforms.

What a gay name "American Police Force".

Makes me think of the cartoon movie with Kim Jong-il.

[torchbearer]

What a gay name "American Police Force".

It's a dangerous and unconstitutional idea.
A federally controlled police force.
They already exist in the FBI, DEA, DHS, etc... but they never had the balls to actually call these gun carrying/citizen arresting federal employees a police force.

[Dr.3D]

They have an interesting web site. http://www.americanpolicegroup.com/
Looks to me like some kind of privately owned mercenary "police" force.

Check out their logo.
http://www.americanpolicegroup.com/images/index_image.png

[Dionysus]

http://www.scottishrite-ec.org/eagle4.jpghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/_hCtXNDGAhxI/SI8cgJOQD-I/AAAAAAAABTw/IWM7tb888eA/s400/doubleheaded%2Beagle__33rd%2Bdegree%2Bmason%2Bmeda l.jpg

The sun is definately Illuminati.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-headed_eagle

http://www.masonicdictionary.com/doubleeagle.html

[pcosmar]

American Police Force has years of experience and vast global resources to provide timely and professional international investigation services. Our highly trained staff will discover information that fits your needs to get the answers you need.
:eek:
Somehow I don't even like the sound of that.

[WarDog]

Double-headed EAGLE: A Masonic seal and initiation symbol. The number inside the pyramid over the eagle's head is 33. The eagle is a universal symbol representing the sun, power, authority, victory, the sky gods and the royal head of a nation.

http://www.freemantv.com/

http://www.crossroad.to/Books/symbols1.html









We are not fighting Flesh & Blood. This whole thing is the Zionist Great Work almost complete

[Pericles]

:eek:
Somehow I don't even like the sound of that.

I think it is a private security company catering to anarchists on this board;)

[torchbearer]

I think it is a private security company catering to anarchists on this board;)

good one. :)

[Cowlesy]

I think it is a private security company catering to anarchists on this board;)

That's what I was thinking. These guys are not "federal police", it's a private security force.

[ChooseLiberty]

That logo is so trying be masonic/illuminati it almost looks fake.

Rising sun
Double headed eagle/phoenix
Fleur di lis

Strangely the shield seems to have an anti masonic symbol

http://commendatori.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/serbiastamps.jpg

See lower left.

Strange.


http://www.missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/article_e510a634-ab21-11de-a728-001cc4c002e0.html

So this $27.0M jail in Hardin Montana (city of about 3,500 ppl) has never been used, and all of a sudden the city is contracting with some strange outfit that rolls into town with 3 black mercedes SUVs with "Hardin City Police" as a logo.

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/missoulian.com/content/tncms/assets/editorial/5/a7/5d4/5a75d49e-ab22-11de-8900-001cc4c002e0.image.jpg?_dc=1254027491

The mayor doesn't like it and asks them to remove them, and the citizens are scratching their heads. They also go and hire the local town reporter at a salary of $60,000 a year to be their PR person. Everyone is wondering where all this money is coming from, from this "American Police Force" company, but no one knows.

What do you think? Bizarre article.

[Cowlesy]

hahahaha, this all has to be some sort of joke.....from the front page of their website....


Some of our services include Kidknapping & Ransoms for ransom, INTL Air Marshalls, Security for convoys in Iraq, Pakistan + More!

reminds me of Borat


Borat has claimed that “in Kazakhstan the favorite hobbies are disco dancing, archery, rape, and table tennis,”

[ChooseLiberty]

BTW, those are Serbian anti masonic stamps.

From a masonic website:

On January 1, 1942 Serbia issued four stamps to commemorate the Grand Anti-Masonic Exhibition, which opened in Belgrade on October 22, 1941. These stamps depict a strong and victorious Serbia crushing an evil Masonic-Communist-Jewish plot for world domination.

The surtax on this issue was used for Anti-Masonic, Anti-Communist, and Anti-Jewish propaganda.

Each stamp bore the opening date 22x1941 and was labeled "Anti-Masonic Exhibition" and "Serbia" in Cyrillic letters.

These stamps, with their juxtaposition of Masonic, Communist, Jewish and Serbian symbols (Nazi symbols are notably absent), provide a remarkable window into the Serbian wartime worldview. Even after the Communist takeover of Yugoslavia in May 1945 Masons were regarded with suspicion and contempt by the Serbian dominated Yugoslav authorities and Masonry remained outlawed for the next 45 years - until the summer of 1990.

The first stamp shows Masonry, allegorically clad as a hooded figure wearing an apron and star of David upon its bosom. This hooded figure is shown cringing from a strong ray of light, which emanates from a circular cabalistic design apparently representing the forces of Anti-Masonry.

Nowhere in Masonry does a hooded figure appear. Also any Mason could readily see the fallacy of "Cringing from Light" - did we not ask for light at least three times? Then too, the attempt to link Jewry with Freemasonry is very evident by the Star of David on the figure's bosom.

The second stamp of the series shows a hand emanating from a silvery light, as in the first stamp, and grasping the neck of a huge viper whose head rests on a square and compasses. This viper or snake is covered with the Stars of David rather than scales. Biblically, the snake represents the forces of evil (Jews and Masons) and here is symbolically being stopped by the hand of Nazism.

The third stamp shows a sheaf of wheat superimposed on a cross, which has a pointed lower leg, together with the hammer, and sickle all resting upon and splitting a star that symbolizes Serbia. This attempts to show that the Jew, Mason, and Communist are alike in ideal if not one and the same.

The last stamp of the series shows a Star of David upon the curved surface of the earth between two pillars which are being put asunder by a zealous modern Serbian Samson. These pillars presumably refer to the two pillars in the porch of King Solomon's Temple.


That logo is so trying be masonic/illuminati it almost looks fake.

Rising sun
Double headed eagle/phoenix
Fleur di lis

Strangely the shield seems to have an anti masonic symbol

http://commendatori.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/serbiastamps.jpg

See lower left.

Strange.

[WarDog]

PHOENIX: A universal symbol of the sun, mystical rebirth, resurrection and immortality, this legendary red "fire bird" was believed to die in its self-made flames periodically (each hundred years, according to some sources) then rise again out of its own ashes. Linked to the worship of the fiery sun and sun gods such as Mexico's Quetzalcoatl, it was named "a god of Phoenecia" by the Phoenician. To alchemists, it symbolized the the destruction and creation of new forms of matter along the way to the ultimate transformation: physical (turn lead into gold) and spiritual (immortality - an occult alternative to the Christian salvation). The philosopher's stone was considered the key to this transformation.

[AdamT]

That symbol is creepy as hell. Rising sun behind a 2 headed bird behind a red shield?

[Dreamofunity]

http://europeandcis.undp.org/uploads/public1/images/albania-flag.gif

Maybe they're albanian? :P

[legion]

it's a bunch of bullshit apparently


Corporation
AMERICAN PRIVATE POLICE FORCE ORG INC.
Number: C3202431 Date Filed: 3/2/2009 Status: active
Jurisdiction: California
Address
10501 BROOKHURST ST
ANAHEIM, CA 92804
Agent for Service of Process
MICHAEL HILTON
10501 BROOKHURST ST
ANAHEIM, CA 92804

This address was sold for $560,000 from SERAFIN VIDOVIC, owner of a barbershop. www.cleancutbarber.com/


The address on their site (http://www.americanpolicegroup.com/): South Coast Patients Center 1202 East 17th St. Suite 200 Santa Ana (714) 547-4800 A medical marijuana dispensary? Maybe closed now?

The washington DC address is a virtual front office.


http://cryptogon.com/?p=10995 interesting article

[torchbearer]

That symbol is creepy as hell. Rising sun behind a 2 headed bird behind a red shield?

red shield = rothschild?

[ChooseLiberty]

The original rothschild shield had the six pointed star on it.

BTW, notice the sun is rising over a black land - desolation.

The whole logo looks faked by some out of work hollywood tatoo artist.

If not the illuminati are just coming right out in your face.

Look for illuminati candy bars and laundry detergent next.

Their website was registered in May.

Weird.



red shield = rothschild?

[legion]

http://legalmarijuanadispensary.com/index.php?option=com_jreviews&Itemid=&url=discussions/review/id:5278/

These people seem to think the claimed business address of the American Police Force Group is a medicinal marijuana dispensary. Must have been some good shit they smoked to think something stupid like that.

[ForLiberty-RonPaul]

someone needs to put a sign out front that says...

"Welcome to Montana Domestic Operations Division! Est. 2/11/63"

[legion]

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/billingsgazette.com/content/tncms/assets/editorial/e/ec/0c4/eec0c4ec-aac8-11de-b6d2-001cc4c03286.image.jpg?_dc=1253989085

michael hilton

[legion]

Maybe they're albanian? :P

close, montenegro is where michael hilton claims to be from

http://www.mod.gov.al/sedm/images/observers/montenegro_flag.gif

[legion]

American Police Force and Hardin, continued...

Montana wanted to give Hardin a contract to hold and "treat" sex offenders. Its bid was wholly inadequate. Given another chance, it still couldn't put together a complete bid.

Now Hardin is signing a contract with the "American Police Force," from Southern California, to hold prisoners, expand the prison, build shelters for animals and homeless, deliver food to the hungry, provide Mercedes squad cars for Hardin's non-existant police force, build a 102,000 sq ft mercenary "training camp," and new housing for their employees, though claiming "80%" will be local hires. APF filed incorporation papers with California in March, claim to have been in business since 1902, 1984, and 1996. Its office is in an Anaheim strip mall, and is registered in the bottom floor of a small Santa Ana home. Its corporate attorney is an Iranian immigrant specializing in personal injury. Its spokesperson "Captain" Michael Hilton, claims to be Serbian. One assumes he got his "captain's" outfit from a costume shop.

APF has a website that is comprised of material stolen from other sites. Claiming to be arms dealers, their webpage showed air rifles and paint ball guns that mimic real weapons.

Any more questions?

There's still time for the HuffPost, if it cares, to break the real story. I'm not holding my breath.


Read more at: http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:FHRfSGlZ_ecJ:www.huffingtonpost.com/news/guantanamo/3+%22captain+michael+hilton%22&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

[legion]

fax machine address on site another virtual front office

American Voice Box
17291 Irvine Boulevard Suite 250
Tustin, CA 92780
(714)647-1500
Telephone Communication Services

[Dr.3D]

A section of text on the APF site refers to the company’s “U.S. Training Center,” and matches word for word text from the Web site for Xe, formerly Blackwater. That company’s U.S. Training Center is touted as the largest facility of its kind.
Emphasis mine.
http://cryptogon.com/?p=11131

[ChooseLiberty]

The whole Serbia, Montenegro connection makes more sense now.

The shield has the Serbian Orthodox Church Cross and the whole logo looks very similar to the Serbian Coat of Arms.

http://flagspot.net/flags/ba_serbs.html

[Cowlesy]

Sounds like Hardin MT is going to get hoodwinked on this -- these guys don't seem legit at all.

[erowe1]

http://www.scottishrite-ec.org/eagle4.jpghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/_hCtXNDGAhxI/SI8cgJOQD-I/AAAAAAAABTw/IWM7tb888eA/s400/doubleheaded%2Beagle__33rd%2Bdegree%2Bmason%2Bmeda l.jpg

The sun is definately Illuminati.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-headed_eagle

http://www.masonicdictionary.com/doubleeagle.html

In this case, the sun is just from Hardin's own city logo.
http://www.hardinmt.com/

But the double headed eagle isn't. And from what I can find, it looks like the city doesn't even have it's own police dept. at all (edit: which is apparently what the article means by the word "nonexistent"--I just noticed that.).

[justinc.1089]

http://europeandcis.undp.org/uploads/public1/images/albania-flag.gif

Maybe they're albanian? :P

My girlfriend is, I could ask her if the symbol looks Albanian if you're serious.

[constituent]

The whole logo looks faked by some out of work hollywood tatoo artist.


You've said it best.



Their website was registered in May.

Hmmm... I think you're onto something.



Weird.

See, I thought "funny."

[constituent]

This does remind me that I've been meaning to suggest everyone read their cities' charters in order to understand what their "City" actually is, and how they go about enforcing their policies... How they (the folks at home) go about creating new Municipalities, dissolving old ones, and ridding themselves of the pesky burden of overzealous police forces.

You might be surprised at the power you hold, if you learn how to wield it.

[amy31416]

This does remind me that I've been meaning to suggest everyone read their cities' charters in order to understand what their "City" actually is, and how they go about enforcing their policies... How they go about creating new Municipalities, dissolving old ones, and ridding themselves of the pesky burden of overzealous police forces.

You might be surprised at the power you hold, if you learn how to wield it.

Excellent suggestion.

We're all so focused on the Constitution and what's going on at the top that we forget to look at what's right underneath our nose.

[pcosmar]

My response to this is the same one I posted here.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=207446
In response to "Private Police Forces".

How about NO Police Forces, The Founders warned about standing armies.

How about a Constitutional Sheriff, and an armed citizenry. If the Sheriff needs help or assistance he can call on local citizens.

[Sandman33]

Who paid to have the prison built to begin with? Follow the money. There's no way a town of only 3500 people paid for it.

[Pete]

Another article from a couple of weeks ago: http://www.kulr8.com/news/local/59284497.html


Hey, those couple hundred thousand mercenaries late of Iraq need to make a living, too! :D

That Al Peterson ought to be tarred and feathered.

[Carole]

The pictures of this "police" group looks just like the riot police in Pittsburgh last week. :eek:

Most often when a business or group names itself "American" - it is anything BUT American.

[PatriotOne]

Also maybe the conspiracy theorists out there know, but isn't a red shield with a double-eagle some kind of conspiracy symbol?

The double headed eagle is symbolic of the Holy Roman Empire as is the sun. Not a secret conspiracy. And again I will say......all roads lead to Rome (the Catholic Church and the British Empire).

Double-headed eagle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-headed_eagle

[PatriotOne]

http://www.missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/article_e510a634-ab21-11de-a728-001cc4c002e0.html

So this $27.0M jail in Hardin Montana (city of about 3,500 ppl) has never been used, and all of a sudden the city is contracting with some strange outfit that rolls into town with 3 black mercedes SUVs with "Hardin City Police" as a logo.

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/missoulian.com/content/tncms/assets/editorial/5/a7/5d4/5a75d49e-ab22-11de-8900-001cc4c002e0.image.jpg?_dc=1254027491

The mayor doesn't like it and asks them to remove them, and the citizens are scratching their heads. They also go and hire the local town reporter at a salary of $60,000 a year to be their PR person. Everyone is wondering where all this money is coming from, from this "American Police Force" company, but no one knows.

What do you think? Bizarre article.

Watch the scolling pictures on their website http://www.americanpolicegroup.com/ and you will see the official logo with the British Crown. That tells you who they work for. Everyone should be asking themselves why Britian has a private mercenary contractor operating in America. I know....do you all know?

Double headed eagle (Roman Catholic which includes Freemasonry..the esoteric side of Christianity for the non-plebs) and the British Crown. Like I have said...all roads lead to Rome.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e198/Yekt40/AmericanPoliceforce.jpg

[pacelli]

Also maybe the conspiracy theorists out there know, but isn't a red shield with a double-eagle some kind of conspiracy symbol?

Double headed eagle with a sun behind it is your average 33 degree freemasonry symbol.


Yet the city has not had a police force of its own for 30 years.

http://www.mercurynews.com/california/ci_13427622

[PatriotOne]

Let's compare the new private security forces with Blackwater. Another private security firm didicated to the Catholic Church:

Blackwater and allegations of links to the Christian right
[edit] Allegations of links to Catholic Sovereign Military Order of Malta
Links between Blackwater and the Order of Malta have come under scrutiny. The Chief Operating Officer of the Prince Group, Joseph Schmitz, is an honorary member of the group the Knights of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, considered to be the main successor to the crusader Knights Hospitaller, a Catholic military order, and now a voluntary disaster relief, aid and medical organization. Although the Order does not rule Malta, its name and historic origins as an eleventh century crusader order has caused critics posit that Blackwater is itself a religious crusader organization, or is secretly run by the Knights of Malta. This linkage is, in the words of Malta Today, "the latest conspiracy theory".[100] Jordanian Member of Parliament Jamal Muhammad Abidat wrote in the Abu Dhabi daily newspaper Al-Bayan that:

The painful saga of modern Arab-Muslim history evokes the battles fought in the Crusades of the 11th century, when the Knights of Malta began their operations as a Christian militia whose mission it was to defend the land conquered by the Crusaders. These memories return violently to mind with the discovery of links between the so-called security firms in Iraq such as Blackwater have historic links with the Knights of Malta. You cannot exaggerate it. The Order of Malta is a hidden government, or the most mysterious government in the world. [101]

Following this editorial by Abidat a call was issued on Jihadist websites close to Al-Qaida. It urged readers to attack on the Order’s embassy in the Cairo, Egypt. No such attack materialised.[100]

The grandmaster of the order, Brother Andrew Bertie, has decried the accusation:

“new conspiracy theories which have sprung up, over recent months, in various television channels and newspapers in friendly countries, but associating the sovereign Order of Malta with a private society of mercenaries, which it is said are operating in Iraq and Afghanistan for a foreign government. These assertions have absolutely no factual basis,”

He further stated that these accusations put “the lives of volunteers offering humanitarian assistance in grave danger”.[100]

The European Parliament published a report by legislator Giovanni Claudio Fava, detailing connections between Blackwater and Malta. The Fava’s inquiry was triggered by the revelation that two Blackwater subsidiaries had been involved in US special rendition flights. Fava indicated that the island Republic of Malta is one of Blackwater’s primary operational bases. Blackwater's vice-president, Cofer Black, had been the CIA officer responsible for special renditions of detainees to pro-Western regimes. [102], [103] According to the newspaper Malta Today; Blackwater strenously disputes the European Parliament committee’s report; labelling the assertions as “erroneous and undocumented”, and called on the committee to re-examine its findings, saying it was “alarmed by these statements, because they are completely false and defamatory”.[100]

[edit] Accusations of Crusader Ideology
In early August 2009, sworn affidavits lodged at a Virginia court in the USA contained various allegations including murder, weapons smuggling, and the deliberate slaughter of civilians against Blackwater, with claims that founder Erik Prince had organised the murder of former employees co-operating with US federal investigators.[104] In one of the affidavits a former employee who served for 4 years in Blackwater and was a former US marine, alleged that Mr Prince;

“views himself as a Christian crusader tasked with eliminating Muslims and the Islamic faith from the globe...To that end, Mr. Prince intentionally deployed to Iraq certain men who shared his vision of Christian supremacy, knowing and wanting these men to take every available opportunity to murder Iraqis. Many of these men used call signs based on the Knights of the Templar, the warriors who fought the Crusades”.

It was also claimed that Mr Prince and other executives destroyed incriminating videos, e-mails and documents to prevent the US State Department obtaining them.[105] In a statement to CNN, the company said

“It is obvious that plaintiffs have chosen to slander Mr Prince rather than raise legal arguments or actual facts that will be considered by a court of law. We are happy to engage them there.“We question the judgment of anyone who relies upon and [reiterates] anonymous declarations.”[104]

[edit] Christian Right Ideology
A book on Blackwater by Jeremy Scahill, claims that the leadership of Blackwater was driven by a Christian agenda deployed by, ‘extreme religious zealots’[106]. Scahill suggests that its COO, former Pentagon Inspector General Joseph Schmitz, is a vociferous preacher on behalf of a crusading ideology, his recurrent theme being ‘the rule of law under God.’ America’s role in the world is to bring God’s law to all humanity, in what Scahill terms a vision of ‘Christian Supremacy’.[106]

In Scahill’s account, Erik Prince, Blackwater's founder and chairman, with his connections to right-wing Catholic groups, believes that Blackwater is an important vehicle for ensuring the central role of Christianity in US foreign policy. However, according to Newsweek Prince plays down any connection between his religion and his business.

"Look," he says, "I'm a practicing Roman Catholic, but you don't have to be Catholic, you don't have to be a Christian to work for Blackwater."[107]

[ChooseLiberty]

For the person ranting on and on about the Pope.

Try reading the thread.

The logo you're ranting about is on the linked page.

Do you know what Orthodox Church means?

Hint: It doesn't mean Catholic.



The whole Serbia, Montenegro connection makes more sense now.

The shield has the Serbian Orthodox Church Cross and the whole logo looks very similar to the Serbian Coat of Arms.

http://flagspot.net/flags/ba_serbs.html

[PatriotOne]

For the person ranting on and on about the Pope.

Try reading the thread.

The logo you're ranting about is on the linked page.

Do you know what Orthodox Church means?

Hint: It doesn't mean Catholic.

I have no idea what point you are trying to make here. Are you trying to say the double headed eagle has nothing to do with the Catholic church or the Pope? If that is the case I can very easily dispute that if you are too lazy to go google it for yourself. It's not a Catholic "secret". It's all over their symbolism. It's all over Freemasonry symbology also because freemasonry comes from the Catholic Church.

And it is no secret that the Pope himself is calling for a New World Order either. It's in his speeches. It's in the news. You can listen to it from the horses ass....errrr, mouth for yourself.

[legion]

I have no idea what point you are trying to make here. Are you trying to say the double headed eagle has nothing to do with the Catholic church or the Pope? If that is the case I can very easily dispute that if you are too lazy to go google it for yourself. It's not a Catholic "secret". It's all over their symbolism. It's all over Freemasonry symbology also because freemasonry comes from the Catholic Church.

And it is no secret that the Pope himself is calling for a New World Order either. It's in his speeches. It's in the news. You can listen to it from the horses ass....errrr, mouth for yourself.

This has nothing to do with the Pope. It's a scam. That's why their "office" is also a Marijuana Dispenciary.

[ChooseLiberty]

Dude, you're obviously have no still have clue where that logo came from even after I posted the link twice on the thread.

Here it is again.

http://flagspot.net/flags/ba_serbs.html

The double headed eagle originated way before the Pope BTW.

I still don't expect you to figure it out, but there it is.


I have no idea what point you are trying to make here. Are you trying to say the double headed eagle has nothing to do with the Catholic church or the Pope? If that is the case I can very easily dispute that if you are too lazy to go google it for yourself. It's not a Catholic "secret". It's all over their symbolism. It's all over Freemasonry symbology also because freemasonry comes from the Catholic Church.

And it is no secret that the Pope himself is calling for a New World Order either. It's in his speeches. It's in the news. You can listen to it from the horses ass....errrr, mouth for yourself.

[acptulsa]

So, local gun clubs full of patriotic Americans are dangerous 'terrist' organizations that need to be 'Wacoized' but this is suffered to live and possibly offered government contracts?

The disease spreads...

[Dr.3D]

Could this be the "Civilian Security Force that is as well funded as the military" that Obama was talking about?

[legion]

Their site has been deleted

http://www.americanpolicegroup.com/

too much heat for these scammers.

[pcosmar]

Their site has been deleted

http://www.americanpolicegroup.com/

too much heat for these scammers.

What an interesting development.

[Cowlesy]

Their site has been deleted

http://www.americanpolicegroup.com/

too much heat for these scammers.

I'd guess Xe's PR people realizing all the blatant plagiarism probably had their lawyer send them a "lol wut" memo -- and so they dropped the site.

That or the Pope sent them an email ;)

[legion]

well i sent an email to california NORML about this dispenciary being linked to a fake private police force...

looks like this deal was a bad investment for our fake police force scammers!

[pcosmar]

More info.
http://cryptogon.com/?p=10995

defenseproductsolutions.com is hosted on the same IP (97.74.186.121) as americanpolicegroup.com. Both sites feature the same logo. Click on the Catalog link on defenseproductsolutions.com and say ‘hello’ to Edward Angelino.

Other business names associated with him: Allied Defense Systems, Inc. (allieddefensesystems.com) and Defense Consulting Group, Inc. There are almost certainly many more. I only spent ten minutes on this.


“APF plays a critical role in helping the U.S. government meet vital homeland security and national defense needs,” the company says on its Web site. “Within the last 5 years the United States has been far and away our” number 1 client.

However, an Associated Press search of two comprehensive federal government contractor databases turned up no record of American Police Force.

Representatives of security trade groups said they had never heard of American Police Force, although they added secrecy was prevalent in the industry and it was possible the company had avoided the public limelight.

“They’re really invisible,” said Alan Chvotkin, executive vice president and counsel for the Professional Services Council. The group’s members include major security contractors Triple Canopy, DynCorp and Xe Services, formerly known as Blackwater Worldwide.

“Even a single unclassified contract in the last couple of years should show up” in the federal database, Chvotkin added.

Spokesmen for the State Department and Defense Department said they could not immediately find any records of contracts with the company. The city has not released a copy of its agreement with American Police Force. But the deal as announced would be a sweet one for Hardin, a depressed rural town of 3,500 about 45 miles east of Billings.

[..PAUL4PRES..]

Their site has been deleted

http://www.americanpolicegroup.com/

too much heat for these scammers.

I miss that music already. Any body remember what the name of the song is?

[legion]

The only problem is that just because they are on the same server doesn't mean they are owned by the same people.

There could just be some defense/police industry scam web developer out there.

[legion]

wow i think they've closed their account with the host.. the page now is generated by the webhost...

[123tim]

Hilton also said he planned a helicopter tour of the region in coming days to look at real estate for a planned tactical military training ground. He said 5,000 to 10,000 acres were needed to complement the training center, a $17 million project.


I sense a land grab in someones future.

[legion]

wow i think they've closed their account with the host.. the page now is generated by the webhost...

nevermind, the page is generated by secureserver.net, which is Godaddy DNS operations.

[legion]

I miss that music already. Any body remember what the name of the song is?

Ravel's Bolero

[..PAUL4PRES..]

Ravel's Bolero

Thanks! It just has an ominous tone to it. Like a march in the direction of fascism and oppression. It gets my blood boiling. Thanks again.

[KenInMontiMN]

If I'm the Big Horn County Sheriff, these guys are run out of town, like yesterday!

[TonySutton]

Part of the symbol on the cars was the Hardin City symbol

http://www.hardinmt.com/

[..PAUL4PRES..]

Google Trends puts "American Police Force" at number 20 today.:D

http://www.google.com/trends/hottrends?sa=X&oi=prbx_hot_trends&q=american+police+force

[Sandman33]

I have no idea what point you are trying to make here. Are you trying to say the double headed eagle has nothing to do with the Catholic church or the Pope? If that is the case I can very easily dispute that if you are too lazy to go google it for yourself. It's not a Catholic "secret". It's all over their symbolism. It's all over Freemasonry symbology also because freemasonry comes from the Catholic Church.

And it is no secret that the Pope himself is calling for a New World Order either. It's in his speeches. It's in the news. You can listen to it from the horses ass....errrr, mouth for yourself.

Freemasonry comes from the Catholic Church:D OH LOL.

The Pope is definitely in on the game but Freemasonry is NOT the Catholic Church. Its a LOT older than the Catholic Church for one.

Anyway. We've bigger fish to fry. This might or SHOULD be the straw that breaks the camels back.
YouTube - ALERT Martial law takeover of Hardin Montana - federalization of local police deptartment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLcki1KDyoY)

[pcosmar]

I am still trying to get some logical grasp of this.
It seems to defy logic.

Posted in another thread.

Impersonating a Police Officer is generally considered a crime.

Why not here?

I looked at the City Counsel minutes, Nothing there.
City Counsel Minutes
http://www.hardinmt.com/pages/council.htm

Aug 4 2009
Law Enforcement: Harry Steinmetz, Jr. made the motion to approve the Memorandum of Agreement between the City of Hardin and Big Horn County regarding Law Enforcement. The motion was seconded by Harry Kautzman and passed (6/0).
Sept, 1 2009
Law Enforcement: The Mayor reported that there is nothing new to report at this time. The agreement was in our hands then we passed it on to County and they have 10 days to respond so at this time it is in limbo.

They said the City Counsel voted to disband the Sheriff Dept. :eek:
How can they do that, or how can they assume to do that? They have no authority.
The Sheriff is an elected County Official.

This really defies logic.

[TonySutton]

The local weekly paper should be updated on Thursday.

http://www.bighorncountynews.com/

[revolutionary8]

Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere, but just in case it hasn't:

It gets better. The server for APF’s website happens to host Defense Product Solutions’ website. This company registered its domain name way back on June 19, 2009. Note that both APF and DPS use the double-headed eagle for their corporate logos. AlliedDefenseSystems.com (registered March 2007) appears to be a related site. This website’s administrative contact is Mohammad Abdalla. Mr. Abdalla is listed as the COO for this company in Anaheim, CA.

Here’s where it gets more strange. The admin e-mail is for a Mr. Edward Angelino, who just happens to be listed as a small business contact for Defense Logistics Services, Inc., a company that appears to be providing foreign military sales support for the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Mr. Angelino has an interesting tracking record when it comes to both lawsuits and government contracts.

DESCRIPTION: Foreign Military Sales (FMS) Support to Kingdom of Saudia Arabia Logistical, Financial Management, Analysis, and Administrative Support

According to the California Secretary of State’s office, Defense Logistics Services, Inc. was formed in 2004 but is dissolved.

There is, however, an American Private Police Force Org Inc. that was incorporated March 2, 2009, and is based in Anaheim too. In addition to being the corporation’s agent for service of process, a Mr. Michael Hilton is the self-designated “Captain” of the APF.

The APF claims it is the subsidiary of a parent company but won’t identify the parent company or where APF is getting its money. The company’s Washington, D.C. address is a virtual office. Its Santa Ana, California office appears to be in an office complex with a Spanish-speaking church, a dental lab, and insurance agency.
http://mikeyounglaw.com/wp/2009/09/29/american-police-force-internet-scam/

[Sandman33]

Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere, but just in case it hasn't:

It gets better. The server for APF’s website happens to host Defense Product Solutions’ website. This company registered its domain name way back on June 19, 2009. Note that both APF and DPS use the double-headed eagle for their corporate logos. AlliedDefenseSystems.com (registered March 2007) appears to be a related site. This website’s administrative contact is Mohammad Abdalla. Mr. Abdalla is listed as the COO for this company in Anaheim, CA.

Here’s where it gets more strange. The admin e-mail is for a Mr. Edward Angelino, who just happens to be listed as a small business contact for Defense Logistics Services, Inc., a company that appears to be providing foreign military sales support for the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Mr. Angelino has an interesting tracking record when it comes to both lawsuits and government contracts.

DESCRIPTION: Foreign Military Sales (FMS) Support to Kingdom of Saudia Arabia Logistical, Financial Management, Analysis, and Administrative Support

According to the California Secretary of State’s office, Defense Logistics Services, Inc. was formed in 2004 but is dissolved.

There is, however, an American Private Police Force Org Inc. that was incorporated March 2, 2009, and is based in Anaheim too. In addition to being the corporation’s agent for service of process, a Mr. Michael Hilton is the self-designated “Captain” of the APF.

The APF claims it is the subsidiary of a parent company but won’t identify the parent company or where APF is getting its money. The company’s Washington, D.C. address is a virtual office. Its Santa Ana, California office appears to be in an office complex with a Spanish-speaking church, a dental lab, and insurance agency.
http://mikeyounglaw.com/wp/2009/09/29/american-police-force-internet-scam/

This is some Bourne Identity shit here.

I'm glad men like you are sniffing the trail.

[justinc.1089]

Dang, this is way more investigative-ish than Bourne! And its real life lol!

How are you guys finding this stuff lol?

[revolutionary8]

The site is back up.
www.americanpolicegroup.com

I'll be screen capturing.

This is getting even weirder:


Representatives of security trade groups said they had never heard of American Police Force, although they added secrecy was prevalent in the industry and it was possible the company had avoided the public limelight.
"They're really invisible," said Alan Chvotkin, executive vice president and counsel for the Professional Services Council. The group's members include major security contractors Triple Canopy, DynCorp and Xe Services, formerly known as Blackwater Worldwide
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/seafan/3432

Triple Canopy:
Former Iraq Security Contractors Say Firm Bought Black Market Weapons, Swapped Booze for Rockets
by T. Christian Miller, ProPublica and Aram Roston, Special to ProPublica - September 18, 2009 10:05 am EDT
Last spring, the U.S. diplomatic mission in Iraq got a makeover, replacing the scandal-plagued Blackwater private security company with a firm named Triple Canopy.

The new $1 billion contract cemented Triple Canopy's status as the pre-eminent provider of private security services in Iraq, with its heavily armed employees appearing side by side with senior State Department diplomats.

But the company's rise to prominence followed a long, often chaotic route, marked by questionable weapons deals, government bungling and a criminal investigation that was ultimately closed without charges being filed, according to newly released investigative files.

Company employees told federal investigators that Triple Canopy swapped booze for weapons and supplies from the U.S. military. They said the company bought guns and other arms on the black market in Iraq. Some worried that the money was flowing into the hands of insurgents, records show.

The previously undisclosed documents and interviews with current and former Triple Canopy officials raise new questions about the U.S. government's ability to oversee private security contractors in a fluid and uncertain legal environment. And they give a glimpse into the messy business of creating a private army on the fly in the middle of a war zone.
http://www.propublica.org/feature/former-iraq-security-contractors-say-firm-bought-black-market-weapons-918
:eek:

[PatriotOne]

Freemasonry comes from the Catholic Church:D OH LOL.

The Pope is definitely in on the game but Freemasonry is NOT the Catholic Church. Its a LOT older than the Catholic Church for one.]

I like ya SM but for a Freemason you sure don't know much about them :p

[Sandman33]

I like ya SM but for a Freemason you sure don't know much about them :p

I know much more than most freemasons.

Its MUCH older than the Catholic religion. It's older than EGYPT.

[Dr.3D]

I know much more than most freemasons.

Its MUCH older than the Catholic religion. It's older than EGYPT.

Yep, it's as old as Tubal Cain.

[legion]

Hmmm... what changed on their site? Why take it down?

THEIR PHYSICAL ADDRESS, WHICH IS A MARIJUANNA DISPENSARY, HAS BEEN REMOVED.

[PatriotOne]

I know much more than most freemasons.

Its MUCH older than the Catholic religion. It's older than EGYPT.

Your ideology might be older than Egypt but most religions ideology and symbolism is older than Egypt....including Christianity. The names just change and ideology tweaked as governments rewrite history to suit themselves.

[legion]

Hmmm... what changed on their site? Why take it down?

THEIR PHYSICAL ADDRESS, WHICH IS A MARIJUANNA DISPENSARY, HAS BEEN REMOVED.

I love how when you discover the real conspiracy all the twoofer idiots just ignore it and continue their freemason/illuminati appreciation discussion.

[PatriotOne]

Dude, you're obviously have no still have clue where that logo came from even after I posted the link twice on the thread.

Here it is again.

http://flagspot.net/flags/ba_serbs.html

The double headed eagle originated way before the Pope BTW.

I still don't expect you to figure it out, but there it is.

I don't care if it is the Coat of Arms for Candyland. It still tells you were their loyalties lie. The Crown is the British Crown and the double headed eagle and cross is the Catholic Church. And if you knew anything about Serbia perhaps you will be able to connect more than one dot at a time:

Serbia is a member of the United Nations, the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe, and the Council of Europe which it presided over in 2007. It is also a potential candidate for membership in the European Union and a militarily neutral country.[7]

The northern Serbian city of Sirmium was one of the capitals of the Roman Empire during the Tetrarchy.[8] No less than 17 Roman Emperors were born in what is now Serbia.[9]

Coat of Arms are specifically designed for a reason. They don't just use particulars colors and pictures because they are "purty" ya know.

The double headed eagle originated before the Pope? No kidding. LOL.

[legion]

I don't care if it is the Coat of Arms for Candyland. It still tells you were their loyalties lie. The Crown is the British Crown and the double headed eagle and cross is the Catholic Church. And if you knew anything about Serbia perhaps you will be able to connect more than one dot at a time:

Serbia is a member of the United Nations, the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe, and the Council of Europe which it presided over in 2007. It is also a potential candidate for membership in the European Union and a militarily neutral country.[7]

The northern Serbian city of Sirmium was one of the capitals of the Roman Empire during the Tetrarchy.[8] No less than 17 Roman Emperors were born in what is now Serbia.[9]

Coat of Arms are specifically designed for a reason. They don't just use particulars colors and pictures because they are "purty" ya know.

The double headed eagle originated before the Pope? No kidding. LOL.

holy fuck how dense are these people cant see the forest for the god damn trees ITS NOT THE JEWS ILLUMINATI FREEMASONS OR THE CATHOLICS JUST SOME GOOD OLD FASHIONED SCAMMERS


Hmmm... what changed on their site? Why take it down?

THEIR PHYSICAL ADDRESS, WHICH IS A MARIJUANNA DISPENSARY, HAS BEEN REMOVED.

Hmmm... what changed on their site? Why take it down?

THEIR PHYSICAL ADDRESS, WHICH IS A MARIJUANNA DISPENSARY, HAS BEEN REMOVED.

Hmmm... what changed on their site? Why take it down?

THEIR PHYSICAL ADDRESS, WHICH IS A MARIJUANNA DISPENSARY, HAS BEEN REMOVED.

Hmmm... what changed on their site? Why take it down?

THEIR PHYSICAL ADDRESS, WHICH IS A MARIJUANNA DISPENSARY, HAS BEEN REMOVED.

Hmmm... what changed on their site? Why take it down?

THEIR PHYSICAL ADDRESS, WHICH IS A MARIJUANNA DISPENSARY, HAS BEEN REMOVED.

[PatriotOne]

Originally Posted by legion
Hmmm... what changed on their site? Why take it down?

THEIR PHYSICAL ADDRESS, WHICH IS A MARIJUANNA DISPENSARY, HAS BEEN REMOVED.

Err...maybe some of us aren't shocked by the revelation that private mercenary company lied and don't quite see that as top priority as opposed to who is operating a private security force in Montana. Good sluething but don't expect a pulitzer prize for it. Sorry if it hurts your wittle feelings.

[legion]

Err...maybe some of us aren't shocked by the revelation that private mercenary company lied and don't quite see that as top priority as opposed to who is operating a private security force in Montana. Good sluething but don't expect a pulitzer prize for it. Sorry if it hurts your wittle feelings.

It's not a private mercenary company, idiot. That's the point. They are run of the mill criminals, probably trying to pull off some municipal bond scam where they get the city to raise a lot of money and take it and run.

[pinkmandy]

I have a question about this and I'm admittedly confused as the situation itself doesn't make sense to me.

If AFP is a scam company and not really a private security company, wouldn't a real private security company have outed them already? Especially if they were lifting text off of Xe's site? What are the chances that there would be bidding on an empty prison and competitors wouldn't be aware that one company was a total scam? At the very least, wouldn't the PR folks and attorneys and whoever else at real security companies be on the lookout for fake companies?

And I guess I have more questions because the background info confuses me.

Who built this prison? Has the Governor commented on this situation? Are state legislators okay with knowing a private security company is setting up camp in Montana and acting as police with their own 'police cars'? Even if the company is fake they aren't aware of that or at least were not aware of that until now. The situation itself seems weird to me.

[legion]

If AFP is a scam company and not really a private security company, wouldn't a real private security company have outed them already? Especially if they were lifting text off of Xe's site? What are the chances that there would be bidding on an empty prison and competitors wouldn't be aware that one company was a total scam? At the very least, wouldn't the PR folks and attorneys and whoever else at real security companies be on the lookout for fake companies?

NO because people at real security companies are too busy to be paying attention to obscure news stories from Montana.

This prison is in default, they can't pay for it. Lo and behold on the horizon is their savior AFP. All you have to do, City of Hardin, is vote for a sales tax increase so we can a $20 million dollar bond and build our complex. Then we can all have jobs, and kittens and homeless shelters etc etc... BULL SHIT

[legion]

1. contact bankrupt nonmunicipal development agency
2. lease 3 black mercedes suvs for a year
3. cut a few checks to the local reporter
4. throw a little money around
5. make up a financial "wrench in the works" story and submit bond proposal
6. retire in style

[amy31416]

http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/09/mysterious-unregistered-security-firm-policing-montana-town/


Reports: Mysterious, unregistered security firm policing Montana town

A mysterious, reportedly unregistered and almost entirely unknown private security firm by the name "American Police Force" is causing a stir in a small Montana town for apparently impersonating local police.

According to a local media report, APF representatives were recently seen in the tiny town of Hardin, Montana, driving black SUV's with a peculiar logo and, inexplicably, "City of Hardin Police Department" stamped on the door.

However, Hardin does not have a police force.

The town instead contracts with the Big Horn County Sheriff's Department for patrols, according to KULR 8 in Billings, Montana.

According to the news agency, APF was never given permission to assume policing duties. Instead, the firm -- which the Associated Press reported to be unregistered in government databases -- gained its contract with the town on the promise of bringing inmates to an unpopulated prison complex.

An image on KULR's Web site shows the insignia on the APF vehicles, which has caused some concern on the Internet as being of conspiratorial origin.

APF's coat of arms, a clearer version of which appeared on the group's Web site (which had been taken down at time of this writing but is viewable here), shows a double-headed eagle with a red shield and white cross borne on its breast.

The coat appears to be very similar to that of Serbian Prince Aleksandar Karageorgevich, based on RAW STORY's analysis of images hosted by Burke's Peerage & Gentry International Register of Arms.

However, the significance or implied nationality of the insignia's crown could not immediately be identified.

The double-headed eagle itself has been used repeatedly throughout history by many cultures as a symbol of empire, dominance and power.

Hardin, home to about 3,400 people, is in the state’s poorest county. Its unoccupied, 460-bed prison cost $27 million to construct. The town made national headlines earlier this year when local officials pleaded to have Guantanamo Bay inmates sent to the jail.

Montana Democratic Senator Max Baucus and other Republican lawmakers have stood in the way of moving Guantanamo inmates stateside, claiming they would present an increased security risk. The political calculation has led the White House to caution that its promise to close the controversial facility in January may not materialize on schedule.

An Associated Press report on American Police Force, published Sept. 12, 2009, follows.

-- Stephen C. Webster

AP ENTERPRISE: Montana jail deal raises questions

AP ENTERPRISE: Questions emerge about company promising to bring inmates to small Montana town

MATTHEW BROWN
AP News

Sep 12, 2009 16:17 EST

The Two Rivers Detention Center was promoted as the largest economic development project in decades in the small town of Hardin when the jail was built two years ago. But it has been vacant ever since.

City officials have searched from Vermont to Alaska for inmate contracts to fill the jail, only to be turned down at every turn and see the bonds that financed its construction fall into default. They even floated the idea of housing prisoners from Guantanamo Bay at the jail.

So when Hardin officials announced this week that they had signed a deal with a California company to fill the empty jail, it was naturally a cause for celebration. Town officials talked about throwing a party to mark the occasion, their dreams of economic salvation a step closer to being realized.

But questions are emerging over the legitimacy of the company, American Police Force.

Government contract databases show no record of the company. Security industry representatives and federal officials said they had never heard of it. On its Web site, the company lists as its headquarters a building in Washington near the White House that holds "virtual offices." A spokeswoman for the building said American Police Force never completed its application to use the address.

And it's unclear where the company will get the inmates for the jail. Montana says it's not sending inmates to the jail, and neither are federal officials in the state.

An attorney for American Police Force, Maziar Mafi, describes the Santa Ana, Calif., company as a fledgling spin-off of a major security firm founded in 1984. But Mafi declined to name the parent firm or provide details on how the company will finance its jail operations.

"It will gradually be more clear as things go along," said Mafi, a personal injury and medical malpractice lawyer in Santa Ana who was only hired by American Police Force a month ago. "The nature of this entity is private security and for security purposes, as well as for the interest of their clientele, that's why they prefer not to be upfront."

On its elaborate Web site and in interviews with company representatives, American Police Force claims to sell assault rifles and other weapons in Afghanistan on behalf of the U.S. military while providing security, investigative work and other services to clients "in all 50 states and most countries."

The company also boasts to have "rapid response units awaiting our orders worldwide" and that it can field a battalion-sized team of special forces soldiers "within 72 hours."

Representatives of American Police Force said the company presently employs at least 16 and as many as 28 people in the United States and 1,600 contractors worldwide.

"APF plays a critical role in helping the U.S. government meet vital homeland security and national defense needs," the company says on its Web site. "Within the last 5 years the United States has been far and away our" number 1 client.

However, an Associated Press search of two comprehensive federal government contractor databases turned up no record of American Police Force.

Representatives of security trade groups said they had never heard of American Police Force, although they added secrecy was prevalent in the industry and it was possible the company had avoided the public limelight.

"They're really invisible," said Alan Chvotkin, executive vice president and counsel for the Professional Services Council. The group's members include major security contractors Triple Canopy, DynCorp and Xe Services, formerly known as Blackwater Worldwide.

"Even a single unclassified contract in the last couple of years should show up" in the federal database, Chvotkin added.

Spokesmen for the State Department and Defense Department said they could not immediately find any records of contracts with the company. The city has not released a copy of its agreement with American Police Force. But the deal as announced would be a sweet one for Hardin, a depressed rural town of 3,500 about 45 miles east of Billings.

The company is pledging to fill the 464-bed facility by early next year.

Hardin officials say the first payment on the contract is due Feb. 1 — regardless of whether any prisoners are in place. The city's economic development authority would get enough money to pay off the bondholders and receive $5 per prison a day.

American Police Force also is promising to invest $30 million in new projects for the city, including a military and law enforcement training center with a 250-bed dormitory and an expansion of the jail to 2,000 beds. The company says it will build a homeless shelter, offer free health care for city residents and even deliver meals to the needy.

Where the prisoners would come from is unclear. City officials said California was the most likely possibility, but a spokesman for that state's corrections system said there was no truth to the claim.

Federal prisoners also were mentioned by both American Police Force and the city. U.S. Marshal Dwight MacKay in Billings said he would have been notified if such a plan was pending.

"There's skepticism over whether this is a real thing," MacKay said.

Hardin officials said they were approached by American Police Force about six months ago, soon after the city made international news in its quest to become "America's Gitmo." American Police Force incorporated around the same time.

Albert Peterson, the city's school superintendent and vice president of the authority that built the jail, said the city was "guaranteed" the contract would be upheld.

"There's never a question in my mind after I've done my homework. It's legit," Peterson said of American Police Force. "We believe in each other."

The contract was still being reviewed by the city attorney, he said.

Peterson refused to answer when asked if he knew the name of American Police Force's parent firm. He said news coverage of the city's political tussles with the administration of Gov. Brian Schweitzer had left him suspicious of the press. The administration brought a court challenge over whether Hardin could take out-of-state inmates at the jail.

"If you're looking for the source of the money, you're not going to find it from me," Peterson said.

A member of the Texas consortium that developed the jail, Mike Harling, said he had "every reason to believe they'll be successful."

Mafi, the American Police Force attorney, said his company intends to reverse Hardin's recent problems with the jail and give the town an economic boost.

In Santa Ana, American Police Force occupies a single suite on the second floor of a two-story office building. During a visit to the location Thursday, a reporter for The Associated Press encountered a uniformed man behind a desk who would identify himself only as "Captain Michael."

The man declined to discuss basic details about the company and referred the reporter to the company's Web site. In a subsequent phone interview, he provided his surname but insisted it not be used because of security concerns. The man said he was a naturalized U.S. citizen born in Montenegro with decades of experience in military and law enforcement operations.

The man said his boss is a retired U.S. Army colonel named Richard Culver who is currently overseas. Culver's role with the company could not be immediately verified.

The company claim of a headquarters address is just up the street from the White House.

The K Street building houses "virtual offices," where clients pay to use the prestigious Pennsylvania Avenue address and gain access to onsite conference rooms but have no permanent presence.

"It lets small businesses get started up and have a professional front and not have a lot of a cash to do it," said Ashley Korner with Preferred Offices, which leases the location.

She said American Police Force's application to use the address was pending, but incomplete.

___

Associated Press Writer Amy Taxin contributed to this story from Santa Ana.

[Dr.3D]

Here is an interesting article about APF.

http://mikeyounglaw.com/wp/2009/09/29/american-police-force-internet-scam/

-----------------------

Now for my take on the entire episode:

Guantanamo Prisoners have to be moved out of Guantanamo but where to put them.
This is a big problem for Uncle Sam. Then a light bulb goes on in U.S.'s head and he remembers Hardin asking for the prisoners. The problem is, Hardin is too poor to be able to run the prison.

Solution.... government hires Blackwater now XE to form a subgroup to run the prison. Now to name the subgroup.... ahhh... and "American Police Force" comes into existence.

I suspect the government is funding the entire thing and trying to keep it quiet. The problem is, it's not keeping as quiet as they would like, so they dump the web site, and Washington D.C. front.

The reason the Mayor of Hardin isn't worried is because he is in on the deal the government is doing.

Now what are they going to do next?

[legion]

Here is an interesting article about APF.

http://mikeyounglaw.com/wp/2009/09/29/american-police-force-internet-scam/

-----------------------

Now for my take on the entire episode:

Guantanamo Prisoners have to be moved out of Guantanamo but where to put them.
This is a big problem for Uncle Sam. Then a light bulb goes on in U.S.'s head and he remembers Hardin asking for the prisoners. The problem is, Hardin is too poor to be able to run the prison.

Solution.... government hires Blackwater now XE to form a subgroup to run the prison. Now to name the subgroup.... ahhh... and "American Police Force" comes into existence.

I suspect the government is funding the entire thing and trying to keep it quiet. The problem is, it's not keeping as quiet as they would like, so they dump the web site, and Washington D.C. front.

The reason the Mayor of Hardin isn't worried is because he is in on the deal the government is doing.

Now what are they going to do next?

You couldn't be more wrong. thanks for contributing without reading the thread.

[pinkmandy]

NO because people at real security companies are too busy to be paying attention to obscure news stories from Montana.

This prison is in default, they can't pay for it. Lo and behold on the horizon is their savior AFP. All you have to do, City of Hardin, is vote for a sales tax increase so we can a $20 million dollar bond and build our complex. Then we can all have jobs, and kittens and homeless shelters etc etc... BULL SHIT

That could definitely be the case.

Out of curiosity I just checked the Better Business Bureau for a record on AFP.



American Police Force
1701 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Suite 300
Washington, DC 20006


Security Guard & Patrol Service

We are attempting to develop information on this company.
At the present time we do not have enough information to issue a report.


Next question- if this company is as fake as it appears to be then how did the scammers find out about this empty prison in a town of 3,500 and come up with all of this? Are the town leaders themselves part of the scam?

[legion]

Next question- if this company is as fake then how did the scammers find out about this empty prison in a town of 3,500 and come up with all of this? Are the town leaders themselves part of the scam?

The prison has been all over the national news for the past year, because pundits were speculating they would move the Guananamo Bay prisoners there. These guys just moved in to take advantage.

[Dr.3D]

You couldn't be more wrong. thanks for contributing without reading the thread.

Well damn, I've been reading this stupid thread for the past two days. Didn't you see my posts yesterday?

[amy31416]

I keep trying to research their alleged lawyer Maziar Mafi and my browser completely freezes up every time I try to click on his website, even when I try to view it cached.

Anyone else try that?

If he's a real lawyer and he's working for a front for a scam, he could be in serious trouble.

[amy31416]

The prison has been all over the national news for the past year, because pundits were speculating they would move the Guananamo Bay prisoners there. These guys just moved in to take advantage.

Yeah, I've been following the story for a while.

Seems pretty effing ballsy to try to pull this stunt though, don't you think? Especially considering that they roll into town like pimps in their Mercedes with the police decals on the side.

[legion]

I keep trying to research their alleged lawyer Maziar Mafi and my browser completely freezes up every time I try to click on his website, even when I try to view it cached.

Anyone else try that?

If he's a real lawyer and he's working for a front for a scam, he could be in serious trouble.

Are lawyers of murderers guilty of murder, too?

If you read all of his quotes in the media he's very careful in what he says i.e. he never says anything.

[Dr.3D]

Are lawyers of murderers guilty of murder, too?

If you read all of his quotes in the media he's very careful in what he says i.e. he never says anything.
If the lawyer is present when the murder is committed, I would think he would be guilty too.

[legion]

Yeah, I've been following the story for a while.

Seems pretty effing ballsy to try to pull this stunt though, don't you think? Especially considering that they roll into town like pimps in their Mercedes with the police decals on the side.

Due to the recession I'm noticing an increase in the brazenness of scammers, because a lot of people are in very big financial trouble. It really doesn't surprise me at all.

[pinkmandy]

The prison has been all over the national news for the past year, because pundits were speculating they would move the Guananamo Bay prisoners there. These guys just moved in to take advantage.

Okay...so it was all over the news with talk of sending Gitmo prisoners there and other security firms were totally unaware? I'm only asking because of your comment earlier:


NO because people at real security companies are too busy to be paying attention to obscure news stories from Montana.

Surely they would pay attention to contracts that could potentially involve the Gitmo prisoners? And if so, how is it possible that the real firms weren't aware of this scamming company?

[legion]

If the lawyer is present when the murder is committed, I would think he would be guilty too.

This is white collar crime. Leave the investigation to people that don't believe in mindless fantasy (9/11 truth, illuminati, moon crystals)

[Dr.3D]

This is white collar crime. Leave the investigation to people that don't believe in mindless fantasy (9/11 truth, illuminati, moon crystals)

*/ hangs his head and walks away /*

[legion]

Surely they would pay attention to contracts that could potentially involve the Gitmo prisoners? And if so, how is it possible that the real firms weren't aware of this scamming company?

Because this story doesn't involve the Gitmo prisoners! This company claims to want it for training.

[pinkmandy]

Yeah, I've been following the story for a while.

Seems pretty effing ballsy to try to pull this stunt though, don't you think? Especially considering that they roll into town like pimps in their Mercedes with the police decals on the side.

That's why I'm confused, too. I mean, if they lifted text off of Xe's site, if this prison was tossed around as a possible facility for Gitmo prisoners then in those circles how can they be so brazen?

[amy31416]

Are lawyers of murderers guilty of murder, too?

If you read all of his quotes in the media he's very careful in what he says i.e. he never says anything.

Your hostile rhetorical question aside, if the lawyer is knowingly representing a sham company to lend it credence, I can't see how he wouldn't at least lose his license. And yes, I did read what he said.

There's really no need for condescension, this is a bizarre story and we're all not as well-educated you are on the criminal mind, apparently.

[ChooseLiberty]

Mafi's on Twitter

twitter.com/maziarmafi

[Dr.3D]

Because this story doesn't involve the Gitmo prisoners! This company claims to want it for training.
Wrong!

They claimed they were going to fill the prison with federal prisoners.

Are not the prisoners in Gitmo federal prisoners?

[pinkmandy]

Because this story doesn't involve the Gitmo prisoners! This company claims to want it for training.

Hey now...you're the one who said it was all over the national news as a possible place for them. I was just citing what you said. And if pundits were pushing that idea on a national level- whether it panned out or not- then surely other/real security firms were aware of it.

[legion]

Your hostile rhetorical question aside, if the lawyer is knowingly representing a sham company to lend it credence, I can't see how he wouldn't at least lose his license. And yes, I did read what he said.

There's really no need for condescension, this is a bizarre story and we're all not as well-educated you are on the criminal mind, apparently.


When you pay a lawyer a retainer he's doesn't follow you around like a puppy dog. Lawyer's don't have to ask questions, and if they do they aren't required to tell anyone about it. Not surprising, considering that our law system was developed by lawyers. :cool:

[revolutionary8]

I have a question about this and I'm admittedly confused as the situation itself doesn't make sense to me.

If AFP is a scam company and not really a private security company, wouldn't a real private security company have outed them already? Especially if they were lifting text off of Xe's site? What are the chances that there would be bidding on an empty prison and competitors wouldn't be aware that one company was a total scam? At the very least, wouldn't the PR folks and attorneys and whoever else at real security companies be on the lookout for fake companies?

And I guess I have more questions because the background info confuses me.

Who built this prison? Has the Governor commented on this situation? Are state legislators okay with knowing a private security company is setting up camp in Montana and acting as police with their own 'police cars'? Even if the company is fake they aren't aware of that or at least were not aware of that until now. The situation itself seems weird to me.

Hello pinkmandy,
I don't think this is a scam at all, I think that this is a group of the elite's elites. the best of the best- the best of DynCorp, Xe, and Triple Canopy.

Source: AP


They're really invisible," said Alan Chvotkin, executive vice president and counsel for the Professional Services Council. The group's members include major security contractors Triple Canopy, DynCorp and Xe Services, formerly known as Blackwater Worldwide.

the red coats are coming. :D
imho, legion is whitewashing. I am not saying that it is on purpose, but this seems to be a natural "reflex" when any sort of "conspiracy" comes to light. If the AFP isn't a conspiracy, I don't know what is....
This is just the tip of the proverbial ice berg.
these guys are ghosts. I think this is a black op, did you see that Mayor saying "They are here to help..."
lmao. The look on her face was priceless.

"These aren't the droids you are looking for."









http://www.jasondunn.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/regrets-droids.jpg

[legion]

Hey now...you're the one who said it was all over the national news as a possible place for them. I was just citing what you said. And if pundits were pushing that idea on a national level- whether it panned out or not- then surely other/real security firms were aware of it.

It was a story at the begining of the year and fell out in the next news cycle. Just because you are aware of something doesn't mean mainstream america is. The only reason I know about this kooky story is because I come to this forum.

[legion]

Hello pinkmandy,
I don't think this is a scam at all, I think that this is a group of the elite's elites. the best of the best- the best of DynCorp, Xe, and Triple Canopy.

So the most "elite" out of the government service contractors, and trust me Blackwater paid grunts are not "elite", is selling marijuana to citizens out of a small office in Santa Ana, California? In direct opposition to US Federal Law? Sounds like something that would jeopardize their ability to secure future contracts.

[Dr.3D]

So the most "elite" out of the government service contractors, and trust me Blackwater paid grunts are not "elite", is selling marijuana to citizens out of a small office in Santa Ana, California? In direct opposition to US Federal Law? Sounds like something that would jeopardize their ability to secure future contracts.
And if I was planning something like this, I would probably do the same thing.
Point people at a pot clinic and thus throw everybody off the trail.

Seems to have fooled you pretty well.

[amy31416]

When you pay a lawyer a retainer he's doesn't follow you around like a puppy dog. Lawyer's don't have to ask questions, and if they do they aren't required to tell anyone about it. Not surprising, considering that our law system was developed by lawyers. :cool:

I do know that a lawyer does not follow you around like a puppy dog...well, unless you're Anna Nicole and your lawyer is Howard Stern.

He knows enough about them to know what *not* to answer. Obviously, a good weaselly lawyer will know how to keep himself out of trouble, but if this is a front, and he's representing it, even if it doesn't hurt him legally, I would think it would hurt his business to take part in a scam that would bilk a dirt-poor small town out of everything it has.

[revolutionary8]

So the most "elite" out of the government service contractors, and trust me Blackwater paid grunts are not "elite", is selling marijuana to citizens out of a small office in Santa Ana, California? In direct opposition to US Federal Law? Sounds like something that would jeopardize their ability to secure future contracts.

Are you kidding?
#1) BW's credibility has already been "jeopardized"- thus the mysteriously "new" American Police Force as well as the name change to Xe.

#2) Since when have these people been worried about "future contracts" with ppl like Cheney and Clinton hiring them for hits and death squads.

#3) Keep trying to tell us that Xe, DynCorp, and Triple Canopy are a bunch of potheads... see where that'll get ya. Pretty soon, people will think you are actually trying to downplay the importance of this "discovery"

[pinkmandy]

It was a story at the begining of the year and fell out in the next news cycle. Just because you are aware of something doesn't mean mainstream america is. The only reason I know about this kooky story is because I come to this forum.

There are hundreds of security firms. Some are quite large and very powerful. While the avg American (myself included on this one) didn't pay attention to national news stories about an empty prison in MT that *could* be used for Gitmo prisoners I would think that at least some of the security firms would be very aware of it. It's what they do after all.

Rev8, it's not seeming like a scam to me atm. I'm suspicious because the info we have doesn't add up. Like Amy said, I think this is a bit ballsy.

[revolutionary8]

And if I was planning something like this, I would probably do the same thing.
Point people at a pot clinic and thus throw everybody off the trail.

Seems to have fooled you pretty well.

pass the ducci 3D. :D

[pinkmandy]

And if I was planning something like this, I would probably do the same thing.
Point people at a pot clinic and thus throw everybody off the trail.

Seems to have fooled you pretty well.

Unless that was another contract...nice to have a list of names of the local potheads? ;)

[legion]

I do know that a lawyer does not follow you around like a puppy dog...well, unless you're Anna Nicole and your lawyer is Howard Stern.

He knows enough about them to know what *not* to answer. Obviously, a good weaselly lawyer will know how to keep himself out of trouble, but if this is a front, and he's representing it, even if it doesn't hurt him legally, I would think it would hurt his business to take part in a scam that would bilk a dirt-poor small town out of everything it has.

Look into pink sheet scams. The SEC is busting a ton of them right now.

There are entire networks of fraudulent lawyers, accountants, transfer agents, etc. that will sign whatever you want for the right price.

These guys are rarely caught, too. Worst case they pay a fine and lose their license.

[legion]

Unless that was another contract...nice to have a list of names of the local potheads? ;)

Ever notice when the FBI sells some terrorist a weapons system they don't actually sell it to him? Ever notice when they bust "johns" the cop doesn't actually have sex with him?

Theres no way the governments going to contract with a private company to sell pot to bottom of the food chain consumers.

[pinkmandy]

Ever notice when the FBI sells some terrorist a weapons system they don't actually sell it to him? Ever notice when they bust "johns" the cop doesn't actually have sex with him?

Theres no way the governments going to contract with a private company to sell pot to bottom of the food chain consumers.

That's why they use contractors. They can do what the government 'legally' cannot.

And...isn't medicinal marijuana legal in CA anyway? So that wouldn't really be an illegal activity but it would be a great way to gather data.

[legion]

That's why they use contractors. They can do what the government 'legally' cannot.

I'd love to see that one before the Grand Jury.

"On August 12th FBI AGENT DUNFIELD paid international paramilitary police force AMERICAN POLICE FORCE to provide Ms. Rutfeld with one quarter ounce of marijuana. Two weeks later we kicked down her door and arrested her whole family." PLEASE...

[legion]

And...isn't medicinal marijuana legal in CA anyway? So that wouldn't really be an illegal activity but it would be a great way to gather data.

marijuana is not legal according to us federal law it is a controlled substance illegal in all 50 states even if some states choose to ignore it.

no way a real government contractor is going to touch the stuff.

[Dr.3D]

Ever notice when the FBI sells some terrorist a weapons system they don't actually sell it to him? Ever notice when they bust "johns" the cop doesn't actually have sex with him?

Theres no way the governments going to contract with a private company to sell pot to bottom of the food chain consumers.

Well, they wouldn't necessarily be so much in the business of selling pot to "bottom of the food chain consumers". How about they are there to gather information as to where the pot is coming from?

[revolutionary8]

That's why they use contractors. They can do what the government 'legally' cannot.

And...isn't medicinal marijuana legal in CA anyway? So that wouldn't really be an illegal activity but it would be a great way to gather data.

Nothing to see here, move along...

http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv39/scottwindrose/eye.jpg

Surveillance is often thought of as a secret activity, but the majority of the time surveillance is conducted within a subjects everyday life to avoid any unwanted speculation or unwanted activities. Video cameras are often announced with signs in dressing rooms or other hidden locations of retail stores to help stop shoplifting.. Cameras and signs are dummies and a lot of the time no recording even actually takes place, but with such extremely simple non-secretive security, the level of crime is reduced.

Methods We Use for Cheating Spouses



Surveillance
Polygraph Examination Lie Detection
Semen Testing
Bodily Fluid Testing
DNA for Hair and Skin
Covert Pregnancy Testing
Surface Drug Testing
Photos of Unknown Subjects
Communications Activity
Computer Usage
Internet Usage
Email Tracing
Identity Verification
Covert and Undercover Assignments

[pinkmandy]

marijuana is not legal according to us federal law it is a controlled substance illegal in all 50 states even if some states choose to ignore it.

no way a real government contractor is going to touch the stuff.

So you are saying that a security firm contracted by the government isn't going to do something that isn't within federal law?

[legion]

Well, they wouldn't necessarily be so much in the business of selling pot to "bottom of the food chain consumers". How about they are there to gather information as to where the pot is coming from?

but they are selling to bottom of the food chain consumers.

theres reviews of it all over the internet.

[Dr.3D]

but they are selling to bottom of the food chain consumers.

theres reviews of it all over the internet.

So what?

Happens all the time in other "branches" of government "security".

Where the pot is coming from is much more important than supplying a few "pot heads". You need to understand the balance being used to support the selling of the pot to "junkies".

Selling a little pot to some unknowns is of little significance when you can gather information on the suppliers.

[legion]

So what?

Happens all the time in other "branches" of government "security".

Where the pot is coming from is much more important than supplying a few "pot heads". You need to understand the balance being used to support the selling of the pot to "junkies".

Selling a little pot to some unknowns is of little significance when you can gather information on the suppliers.

but should information about this operation became very public it would become damaging to that governmental organization, so they would never risk using such a private company.

this is clearly a scam and we should all be doing our best to inform the town of hardin that they are inviting a marijuana selling cartel into their small town

[Dr.3D]

but should information about this operation became very public it would become damaging to that governmental organization, so they would never risk using such a private company.

this is clearly a scam and we should all be doing our best to inform the town of hardin that they are inviting a marijuana selling cartel into their small town

And just who is to say this is really a private company?
Watch this video from 1:59 to 3:14 and you will find the FBI does things that are against federal and state law.

YouTube - FORMER FBI CHIEF SAYS 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhMcii8smxk)

I'm sure the CIA is able to come up with just about any front they want, and they do far worse things than the FBI.

[revolutionary8]

but should information about this operation became very public it would become damaging to that governmental organization, so they would never risk using such a private company.

this is clearly a scam and we should all be doing our best to inform the town of hardin that they are inviting a marijuana selling cartel into their small town

Is this a joke?
You think these people sell weed???
Either you are twelve or ninety-eight.
No offense to either age, :D , but seriously- you can't be serious.

[legion]

And just who is to say this is really a private company?
Watch this video from 1:59 to 3:14 and you will find the FBI does things that are against federal and state law.

I'm sure the CIA is able to come up with just about any front they want, and they do far worse things than the FBI.

If it was the government do you really think they would be this fucking campy about it?

No, they'd roll up with the most whitebread WASP looking guy in the world and he'd say "We have conducted numerous site surveys and have selected yours to be the location of our next X."

The last thing they would do is set up a suspicious website and send over a potato farmer from Moldova to shill for this POS scam.

[pinkmandy]

but should information about this operation became very public it would become damaging to that governmental organization, so they would never risk using such a private company.

this is clearly a scam and we should all be doing our best to inform the town of hardin that they are inviting a marijuana selling cartel into their small town


How would it be damaging to the govt? They do crap all the time that *should* be damaging but most people don't pay attention. This wouldn't even be a blip on MSM.

Know what it would damage, though? Dispensaries. I doubt the local tokers would be very happy to find out that the Fed is using a front group to give them their pot while possibly collecting info on the users. Last time I checked there were a couple hundred thousand or so registered users in Cali. The DEA raids have slowed down recently, haven't they? Perhaps they have a new tactic.

"Just because you're paranoid it doesn't mean they aren't out to get you." :)

[legion]

Is this a joke?
You think these people sell weed???
Either you are twelve or ninety-eight.
No offense to either age, :D , but seriously- you can't be serious.

The physical address listed on their website is the same as a medical marijuana dispencary in california. Yes, they sell weed.

[Dr.3D]

If it was the government do you really think they would be this fucking campy about it?

No, they'd roll up with the most whitebread WASP looking guy in the world and he'd say "We have conducted numerous site surveys and have selected yours to be the location of our next X."

The last thing they would do is set up a suspicious website and send over a potato farmer from Moldova to shill for this POS scam.

Not if they wanted the location of the Gitmo prisoners to be a secret.

They would try to set up a front that can be destroyed at a moments notice to help keep the spotlight off of the real operation.

If they made it look too 'government', they wouldn't have much cover would they?

[revolutionary8]

The physical address listed on their website is the same as a medical marijuana dispencary in california. Yes, they sell weed.

#1)Have you ever heard of a "front"?
#2) Who is "they"? (yes I have read the thread, I mean who is APF)

One more thing, if a Marijuana dispensery is legal in CA, why are you so worried about "Marijuana Cartels" and asking us to concentrate on informing Hardinians about the Mariuana Cartel that has "taken over their town"? In your mind is a "Marijuana Cartel" the same thing as a "Dispensery"?

[legion]

Not if they wanted the location of the Gitmo prisoners to be a secret.

They would try to set up a front that can be destroyed at a moments notice to help keep the spotlight off of the real operation.

If they made it look too 'government', they wouldn't have much cover would they?

From a pure outcomes perspective, consider what you just said, if you really believe it.

They would try to set up a front that can be destroyed at a moments notice to help keep the spotlight off of the real operation.

What sort of claims do you think one would make to the leadership of a small town to make sure this happened? Perhaps, something like these people that come here with fake police cars are selling DRUGS in another state???

[Dr.3D]

From a pure outcomes perspective, consider what you just said, if you really believe it.

They would try to set up a front that can be destroyed at a moments notice to help keep the spotlight off of the real operation.

What sort of claims do you think one would make to the leadership of a small town to make sure this happened? Perhaps, something like these people that come here with fake police cars are selling DRUGS in another state???

Nope, you tell the Mayor what is going on and let him wing it, just as he is doing now.

[legion]

From a pure outcomes perspective, consider what you just said, if you really believe it.

They would try to set up a front that can be destroyed at a moments notice to help keep the spotlight off of the real operation.

What sort of claims do you think one would make to the leadership of a small town to make sure this happened? Perhaps, something like these people that come here with fake police cars are selling DRUGS in another state???

Philosophically this is my disagreement with truthers, by the way.

If truthers really believed a damn word they said they wouldn't be doing the things they do.

You can't interupt the strategic plans of an organization by standing on a street corner yelling "HEY EVERYBODY THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE PLANNING TO DO 5 YEARS FROM NOW!" into a megaphone. Talk about rolling over.

No, they'd be out there interfering with the day to day operations of the "bad guys" by playing the same kind of hardball they do. By affecting the day to day you change long term goals.

I still think these APF guys are swindlers. The government wouldn't even make a website if this was their MO. They'd just do it and not tell anyone until the last minute.

[revolutionary8]

Philosophically this is my disagreement with truthers, by the way.

If truthers really believed a damn word they said they wouldn't be doing the things they do.

You can't interupt the strategic plans of an organization by standing on a street corner yelling "HEY EVERYBODY THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE PLANNING TO DO 5 YEARS FROM NOW!" into a megaphone. Talk about rolling over.

No, they'd be out there interfering with the day to day operations of the "bad guys" by playing the same kind of hardball they do. By affecting the day to day you change long term goals.

I still think these guys are swindlers. The government wouldn't even make a website if this was their MO. They'd just do it and not tell anyone until the last minute.

Who said anything about "truthers"? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Unnnlesssssss,,, unlesss you are a "truther" for wondering WTF is going on... :D

Get a clue legion- this is a very "strange" occurance. People have questions.

[pinkmandy]

The physical address listed on their website is the same as a medical marijuana dispencary in california. Yes, they sell weed.

Is there a physical address on their website? I didn't look earlier before the site went down for awhile. I was looking just now and didn't see one but that could be because I'm not looking in the right place. Can someone else have a peek if it was there earlier to see if it is where it was?

[Dr.3D]

Philosophically this is my disagreement with truthers, by the way.

If truthers really believed a damn word they said they wouldn't be doing the things they do.

You can't interupt the strategic plans of an organization by standing on a street corner yelling "HEY EVERYBODY THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE PLANNING TO DO 5 YEARS FROM NOW!" into a megaphone. Talk about rolling over.

No, they'd be out there interfering with the day to day operations of the "bad guys" by playing the same kind of hardball they do. By affecting the day to day you change long term goals.

I still think these APF guys are swindlers. The government wouldn't even make a website if this was their MO. They'd just do it and not tell anyone until the last minute.

They had to tell the people of Hardin something. This is when the cover began to fall apart. This is when the web site and Washington address disappeared.

Right now, they are in a conundrum as to how to handle their bungled attempt to covertly move the Gitmo prisoners to Hardin Montana.

[legion]

Is there a physical address on their website? I didn't look earlier before the site went down for awhile. I was looking just now and didn't see one but that could be because I'm not looking in the right place. Can someone else have a peek if it was there earlier to see if it is where it was?

They removed the physical address today.

Do the following search to see it in google's cache before it goes away too

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site%3Aamericanpolicegroup.com+1202+East+17th+St .+Suite+200+Santa+Ana%2C+CA+92701

[pinkmandy]

They removed the physical address today.

Do the following search to see it in google's cache before it goes away too

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site%3Aamericanpolicegroup.com+1202+East+17th+St .+Suite+200+Santa+Ana%2C+CA+92701

Thanks!

Recording it here:

1.Contact American Police Force Organization - Washington DC - Santa ...

1202 East 17th Street Suite 200. Santa Ana, CA 92701. 714/647/3000WEST COAST MAINLINE: 888/647/3001WEST COAST TOLL FREE: 202/379/4910EAST COAST MAINLINE: ...


I did a reverse number lookup and that addy came up, minus the suite number. Two addresses came up actually. The other was 1125 East 17th Street, Santa Ana, CA 92701.

Is that one also a marijuana dispensary?

[legion]

Thanks!

Recording it here:

1.Contact American Police Force Organization - Washington DC - Santa ...

1202 East 17th Street Suite 200. Santa Ana, CA 92701. 714/647/3000WEST COAST MAINLINE: 888/647/3001WEST COAST TOLL FREE: 202/379/4910EAST COAST MAINLINE: ...


I did a reverse number lookup and that addy came up, minus the suite number. Two addresses came up actually. The other was 1125 East 17th Street, Santa Ana, CA 92701.

Is that one also a marijuana dispensary?
The other is the person that had the phone number before these guys, if I recall correctly.

Their fax number is to a virtual front office service.

[Dr.3D]

They removed the physical address today.

Do the following search to see it in google's cache before it goes away too

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site%3Aamericanpolicegroup.com+1202+East+17th+St .+Suite+200+Santa+Ana%2C+CA+92701

Interesting.....

If you look at that page, it shows the telephone number: 714-647-3000
Now look what you find when you check it out on Google.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&num=100&q=714-647-3000&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

Now click on the first link where it says: policedepartment in Santa Ana, CA - YellowBot (http://www.yellowbot.com/tags/policedepartment/Santa%20Ana,%20CA/page1.html)
and look where it takes you?
Look at the 9th link down the page.
American Police Force.
1202 E 17th St
Santa Ana, CA
(714) 647-3000

[revolutionary8]

Thanks!

Recording it here:

1.Contact American Police Force Organization - Washington DC - Santa ...

1202 East 17th Street Suite 200. Santa Ana, CA 92701. 714/647/3000WEST COAST MAINLINE: 888/647/3001WEST COAST TOLL FREE: 202/379/4910EAST COAST MAINLINE: ...


I did a reverse number lookup and that addy came up, minus the suite number. Two addresses came up actually. The other was 1125 East 17th Street, Santa Ana, CA 92701.

Is that one also a marijuana dispensary?


The buliding is called Sariol Legal Center, LLP
It's vacant.

[revolutionary8]

Interesting.....

If you look at that page, it shows the telephone number: 714-647-3000
Now look what you find when you check it out on Google.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&num=100&q=714-647-3000&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

Now click on the first link where it says: policedepartment in Santa Ana, CA - YellowBot (http://www.yellowbot.com/tags/policedepartment/Santa%20Ana,%20CA/page1.html)
and look where it takes you?

:eek::eek:

Thank God for "Truthers". lol
nice werk D.

[legion]

we have pictures!! from http://www.stealthfusion.com/forum/research/6176-dossier-american-police-force-2.html#post16514

http://www.stealthfusion.com/research/apf/apf-contact.png

Here's photos of the interior of 1202 East 17th St Suite #200, Santa Ana, CA 92701:

America Police Force "Office"

http://www.stealthfusion.com/research/apf/apf-south-coast2.jpg

http://www.stealthfusion.com/research/apf/apf-south-coast1.jpg

http://www.stealthfusion.com/research/apf/apf-south-coast3.jpg

Source: South Coast Patients Center - Santa Ana Cannabis Clubs - WeedMaps.com

[Dr.3D]

we have pictures!! from http://www.stealthfusion.com/forum/research/6176-dossier-american-police-force-2.html#post16514

http://www.stealthfusion.com/research/apf/apf-contact.png

Here's photos of the interior of 1202 East 17th St Suite #200, Santa Ana, CA 92701:

America Police Force "Office"

http://www.stealthfusion.com/research/apf/apf-south-coast2.jpg

http://www.stealthfusion.com/research/apf/apf-south-coast1.jpg

http://www.stealthfusion.com/research/apf/apf-south-coast3.jpg

Source: South Coast Patients Center - Santa Ana Cannabis Clubs - WeedMaps.com

Nice front isn't it?

[revolutionary8]

we have pictures!! from http://www.stealthfusion.com/forum/research/6176-dossier-american-police-force-2.html#post16514

http://www.stealthfusion.com/research/apf/apf-contact.png

Here's photos of the interior of 1202 East 17th St Suite #200, Santa Ana, CA 92701:

America Police Force "Office"

http://www.stealthfusion.com/research/apf/apf-south-coast2.jpg

http://www.stealthfusion.com/research/apf/apf-south-coast1.jpg

http://www.stealthfusion.com/research/apf/apf-south-coast3.jpg

Source: South Coast Patients Center - Santa Ana Cannabis Clubs - WeedMaps.com

I wonder where they put all that storm trooper stuff?

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/1/17/128766940076859134.jpg

[amy31416]

The site is back up, and it's playing Ravel's Bolero...

http://www.americanpolicegroup.com/

What the hell? Is this all an elaborate joke?

[legion]

http://www.stealthfusion.com/research/apf/south-coast.png

lmao i always knew the police is holding

[ChooseLiberty]

Looks like AJ is on this and the G20 snatch

YouTube - Steve Quayle on Alex Jones Tv 1/6:Red Dawn in American!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlUf4viX7Nk)

[Dr.3D]

Dispensary Name South Coast Patients Center
Dispensary Address 1202 East 17th St. suite #200
City Santa Ana
State CA
Zip Code 92701
Phone Number 714-547-4800
http://legalmarijuanadispensary.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&catid=119:santa-ana-cannabis-clubs-&id=1239:south-coast-patients-center&Itemid=118

So what about the telephone number?
Do they actually have a 714-647-3000 number too? Or is that the telephone number of the back room?

[legion]

http://legalmarijuanadispensary.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&catid=119:santa-ana-cannabis-clubs-&id=1239:south-coast-patients-center&Itemid=118

So what about the telephone number?
Do they actually have a 714-647-3000 number too? Or is that the telephone number of the back room?

landline #s are different for the two

[amy31416]

http://www.americanpolicegroup.com/images/header-bg-4.png

Okay, that's an image from their "careers" section on their site. This has seriously just got to be some bizarre freaking joke.

[legion]

http://www.americanpolicegroup.com/images/header-bg-4.png

Okay, that's an image from their "employment" section on their site. This has seriously just got to be some bizarre freaking joke.

if you click the employment application it says "Have you ever been convicted of a felony? (not that this necessarily will affect the application process)"

lmao

[Dr.3D]

http://www.americanpolicegroup.com/images/header-bg-4.png

Okay, that's an image from their "employment" section on their site. This has seriously just got to be some bizarre freaking joke.

Or the registration of that telephone number to that address is a hoax and meant to be a dead end.

[revolutionary8]

The site is back up, and it's playing Ravel's Bolero...

http://www.americanpolicegroup.com/

What the hell? Is this all an elaborate joke?


http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv39/scottwindrose/eyedigit.jpg

http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv39/scottwindrose/merc.jpg

If you listen to legion, you'll think that American Police Force is a "Marijuana Cartel" posing as an elite group of Mercs... Or something like that...
:D

[legion]

If you listen to legion, you'll think that American Police Force is a "Marijuana Cartel" posing as an elite group of Mercs... Or something like that...
:D

hello, what in that shitty photoshop of a SWAT guy over a 3d rendering of a helicopter suggests i am wrong

[amy31416]

If you listen to legion, you'll think that American Police Force is a "Marijuana Cartel" posing as an elite group of Mercs... Or something like that...
:D

I can't even follow who's hypothesizing what anymore because I've been reading articles and checking out their website.

But hey, I'd call them up if someone I knew was kidnapped, check this shit out!

http://www.americanpolicegroup.com/images/kidknapping.jpg

Oh, and I think someone should call them up, pretend to be from Brunei and request several thousand of each of each of the following:

Weapons & Equipment Sales - INTL ONLY


# Security Systems Military Supplies.
# Duffle bags, tritium compasses, Alice packs, pistol belt, thermo gear, 1st aid kits, and M17 bags.
# Shields, riot gear, police and military uniforms, cooling vests, body armor, ballistics vests, hazmat suites.
# Police Cars, trucks, command and control vehicles, fire trucks, ambulances, towing trucks, fuel trucks, general shop vehicles, passenger busses, vans, water transport trucks, 4 WD trucks and other specialty vehicles.
# All United States made handguns, shot guns and U.S. major selection weapons.
# Fire Machine Guns and associated accessories including cleaning kits.
# 9mm hand guns & AK 47's.
# Unit level armors kit, ammunitions.
# Telecommunication (Thuraya Satellite telephone, cell/mobile phones, Motorola GP 320 Handheld UHF/VHF Radios, battery cells and more).
# IT Systems (computers, laptops, fax machines, copiers, scanners, cartridges, scanners, printers, etc).
# Body Armor, batons, fire glass riot helmet, and shin guards, & megaphones.
# Armored cars and vehicles (Vans, SUVs, Cars, and trucks).
# Police riot equipment.
# Force Protection- WMD.
# Nuclear/Biological/Chemical (WMD).
# Monitoring and Access Control Systems.
# X Ray, robot systems, mine clearing, tools, explosives/perforators, and disposal containers.

[pinkmandy]

http://www.americanpolicegroup.com/images/header-bg-4.png

Okay, that's an image from their "careers" section on their site. This has seriously just got to be some bizarre freaking joke.


It's weird, isn't it? Totally bizarre.

It does seem like a joke but if it is then who is involved? Even the local media?
http://www.kulr8.com/news/local/59284497.html

And I wonder how much the substantial sum of money was that APF put down?

Ah, here's an interesting article for you as you seem to be as baffled as I am. If this is a joke then it's an elaborate one for sure! :D

http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/article_babd814e-a591-11de-8891-001cc4c002e0.html




Two Rivers officials traveled to California to negotiate deal
Hardin betting on mystery company

Al Peterson won't say the name of the company that wants to fill the empty jail in Hardin.

He says he's seen documents that prove the company is legitimate, but he won't discuss the contents or nature of those documents either.

And, he's been to California to meet personally with company officials and to haggle over a 10-year contract he says will bring in hundreds of prisoners, scores of jobs and thousands of dollars to his beleaguered community.

Peterson is vice president of the Two Rivers Authority, Hardin's economic development agency, which owns the 464-bed jail that has been empty since it was finished in 2007.

Despite all the mystery, Peterson insists that everyone will be believers in the next few weeks when American Private Police Force Organization, a newly organized subsidiary of the unnamed California company, begins hiring local staff for the prison.

"I've seen their documents. I've seen their credentials," Peterson said. "I believe them."

While there are some skeptics among Hardin officials, all seem to agree the city has to take a chance on APF. Two Rivers has gone into default on its bond payments for the empty jail and the agency is nearly out of money. The jail has also caused a rift between county and state officials over contracting for out-of-state prisoners, prompting a lawsuit in which Hardin prevailed.

Besides, Hardin has nothing to lose. The money being risked with the contract is APF's, said Peterson, who is Hardin's superintendent of schools.

From cheaters to kidnappers

APF officials will say only that their parent corporation is a private security company that has been operating detention centers internationally since being incorporated in 1984. This would be the company's first domestic jail.

APF's Web site opens with images of armed masked men in combat gear, military-style weapons and helicopters, all accompanied by the refrains of Ravel's "Bolero."

Among APF's "international operations" listed on the Web site are special forces training, kidnapping and ransom situations, convoy security in war zones and fugitive recovery. The company also offers investigations into unsolved murders, cheating spouses, fraud and missing persons.

Presumably, some of APF's employees and clients would be trained for those services in a 104,000-square-foot facility with housing for 248 and high-tech labs that would be built adjacent to the jail.

APF plans to soon hold a job fair for local candidates. On top of that, the company has vowed to allow residents to use the CT scanner in its crime lab. It also would help the city organize and staff a municipal police department and donate food from the jail's kitchen to the needy.

Troubled authority

Two Rivers arranged private bond funding to build the $27 million jail as an economic boost to the hard-luck county.

When the assumed agreements with Montana officials to house state prisoners didn't work out, that left the authority hunting all over the country for prisoners.

With no contracts in sight, Two Rivers missed its May 2008 bond payment and went into default. Until then, it had been making its twice-yearly $2.5 million payments from a reserve fund built into the revenue bond purchase.

Earlier this spring, Two Rivers made global headlines when it made a desperate offer to house terrorism suspects from the U.S. military base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, an idea that was quickly crushed by Montana's congressional delegation.

Then, just two days after announcing its contract with APF, Two Rivers put its executive director Greg Smith on paid administrative leave. Neither Smith nor Two Rivers' Peterson will say why.

With so many unanswered questions about the prison's new use, speculation has been rampant. County residents have suggested that the new facility would be used for everything from torturing international terrorists to housing Obama administration dissenters.

Peterson insists the contract allows only low- to medium-risk prisoners from the United States, and that Two Rivers will hold the contracts.

APF commits big money

As part of its contract, APF will take over the bond payments for the prison, which will remain the authority's property, said Michael Hilton, a spokesman for the company. In addition, APF will invest about $23 million in its planned training facility and pay $10 per person to Two Rivers for those using the training center, Hilton said. The training facility that APF intends to build will have a dormitory for participants, but they'll still be visiting - and spending - in Hardin, Hilton said.

"Those people from overseas have money to spend," he said.

Peterson told Associated Press on Friday that the contract calls for APF to pay $220,000 a month - $2.6 million a year - for 10 years.

Two Rivers would also be paid a fee of $5 per day per inmate, which is a new revenue stream, Peterson said. During a packed meeting of the Hardin City Council last week, Peterson said that even at half full, the fees would add up to more than $365,000 a year.

"Holy crap. Right now we're on a shoestring," he said.

Due diligence

Earlier this month, Peterson, Smith and Two Rivers attorney Becky Convery flew to California at the authority's expense to meet with APF officials.

Among the people they met were Hilton and Mazair Mafi, APF's director of legal affairs.

Peterson called it a "whirlwind trip" in which they arrived in Los Angeles around noon on Sept. 3 and negotiated until well into the evening. They reached consensus the next day and by the following day at 11:10 p.m. the contract was signed, he said.

Before the California meeting, Hilton said, APF officials had spent about 10 months checking out Hardin and meeting with officials in the city.

Both APF and Two Rivers officials remain tight-lipped about the parent company backing the venture. The company is remaining unnamed for security and proprietary reasons, they say.

Flying under the radar is just the way many private security companies do business, Hilton said. He did say that APF has at least 160 contractors around the world plus independent contractors. And the parent company has more than 20 "virtual offices" around the world, he said, including addresses in Washington, D.C., and Santa Ana, Calif.

"Every security company does this. The U.S. government does this," Hilton said. "We have enemies, worldwide - not in the U.S., but you never know - so it's for security purposes."

When The Gazette contacted a spokeswoman for the Washington, D.C., building the company claims to use, she said AFP never completed its application to use the address. Reporters for The Gazette and Associated Press have also been unable to locate APF in any of the databases listing federal contracts.

To all the doubters, Mafi urges patience.

"Just wait a couple weeks, and the city is going to begin to see hard cash," he said. "We'll be hiring people and training people."

Skeptical but supportive

At least two Hardin City Council members are split in their opinions of APF. But, both Bill Hert and Carla Colstad agree that the city must city take a chance.

Hert, who described himself as a former cop who doesn't trust many people, sees it as a "good deal if it turns out." He wants more information from APF.

"I would like to meet some of them in person," Hert said. "If they would come here and meet with us and explain what they are going to do in person, rather than just have a contract to read."

Colstad, a third-generation Hardin council member, said she trusts Two Rivers.

"In this economy and in this recession, hallelujah, they have actually found someone who is not only willing to work here in the community but has the money," she said. "They've got the money behind the talk. This is all we've hoped for all this time."

Jump-starting the jail

APF's contract requires the company to "make its best efforts to hire and train local personnel" and report on hiring each quarter.

The jail could start holding inmates as early as January, and contracts are being sought to have all 464 beds full by March, Hilton said.

"You have to have a facility first to negotiate," he said. "We are waiting to sign a contract."

APF's contract with Two Rivers includes a provision to house for free up to 60 inmates from Hardin, Lodge Grass and Big Horn County. Those inmates will be kept separate from APF detainees.

Hilton said APF won't make money on the jail. The jail is a "steppingstone" to the company's goal of opening a security training center for mostly international clients from "U.S.-friendly countries."

Hardin police force

The Hardin City Council has a public hearing "on law enforcement" scheduled for Thursday. That hearing, like several that have been held around the county, is to gauge public opinion on the city breaking from the county for law enforcement services. The city and county have been at odds for years about the law enforcement presence provided by the Sheriff's Office.

Hilton said APF has proposed that, if Hardin creates a police department, the company would provide the initial officers and hire a local chief of police. APF has already purchased Mercedes vehicles that are being outfitted and will be available for patrol cars, Hilton said.

The training center also could provide some officers to support the city, he said.

Hilton said that during a trip to Hardin to check out the jail facility, he was shocked to see people selling and using drugs, so he wants to have two narcotics agents in Hardin, too.

After Tuesday's council meeting, resident Virginia Pitsche said she welcomes anyone who can help clean up Hardin.

"We need protection in this town," Pitsche said.

Pitsche's sister, Vinetta Hollis, agreed that a better police presence is needed, but was firm that she wants to know more about the company, which she said could be a shill for President Obama to create a federal police force.

"They were formed by who?" Hollis said. "Read up on it. This is a federal police force of Obama's."

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

[revolutionary8]

He is comparing the APF to Militias!!!

This will be their slant. They will target the "backwoods" Militias... oh it fits so perfectly, MT is "full of" Militias, so who better to fight them. I am gonna puke.

http://gawker.com/5370717/montanas-american-police-force-the-nations-next-great-militia


Think things in America can't get any more unsettling? Well, you're wrong. Meet the American Police Force, which will soon take over a Montana jail that once asked to house Guantanamo inmates. And, shocker, they're shady as hell. Let's look...

Yes, unorganized militia's played quite the role in America's revolution, and they've been experiencing a bit of a revival in the scary recent past. The anti-immigrant Minute Men are in full effect down Arizona way, while the once-defunct Michigan Militia seems to have revived itself: they just had a training exercise called Operation Pita Storm. But those unorganized groups are small potatoes compared to a new, ultra-mysterious "security force" called the American Police Force, which just agreed to take over an indebted prison in Hardin, Montana. And sounds a lot like a militia, only far more organized, less forthcoming and, therefore, more frightening.

So let's get some facts, if such things exist anymore.


The prison in question was built two years ago, but, sadly, never got off the ground. Earlier this year, desperate for funds, the prison put in a bid to take some prisoners from Guantanamo Bay. That bid failed, apparently, because the city's economic group Two Rivers Authority just called on the AFP to takeover the prison's operations, although haven't signed an official contract.


AFP's group's website boasts that they "successfully provided assistance in training foreign military organizations in combating transnational terrorism" and claims that it's "recognized as one of the top security and investigation forces in the world." Too bad no one's ever heard of them — not even the U.S. government, a group with which AFP claims to have worked.


In addition to fighting terrorism overseas, the group's online digs say AFP's renaissance agents work on "kidknapping [sic]" cases, investigates cheating spouses and offer convoy security in places like Pakistan.


A group spokesperson who called himself "Captain Michael" told local news channel KULR 8 that they're more interested in setting up a $17 million training camp than in operating the prison. This man would not specify how they plan to use the camp.


Another fun fact: the group's press secretary is a woman named Becky Shays, who used to be a reporter for Montana's Billings Gazette and covered the Hardin Prison story, but told her former colleagues recently that they will not name the company's true leaders, the source of its funding or how it plans to take its prisoners.


Their lawyer, Maziar Mafi, a malpractice expert how was hired a month ago, offers few details, other than that it's a satellite of a larger security firm. And he seems to revel in the cloak-and-dagger atmosphere:

It will gradually be more clear as things go along. The nature of this entity is private security and for security purposes, as well as for the interest of their clientele, that's why they prefer not to be upfront.

Muckraker Kevin Flaherty, however, discovered that AFP's website shares an IP address with Defense Product Solutions, which was founded in 2004, has contracts in the Middle East and works with a man named Edward Angelino, who in turn has worked with the militarily-inclined Allied Defense Systems, Inc. and Defense Consulting Group, Inc. A tangled web, indeed.


The only other things people seem to know about AFP is that they have a fleet of Mercedes SUVs that say "City of Hardin Police Department," they use a double-headed eagle emblem, have "virtual offices" in Washington DC and it registered its website on May 15th, two weeks after Hardin made its Guantanamo request.

This group may not fit the criteria for a good old American militia, but their ominous takeover of a small town's police force sounds pretty fucking paramilitary.

Oh man, begin crisis control with all the PRopaganda against Militias. No one will buy this shit. Not even the "bleeding hearts".
These people are Mercs, NOT "pothead militia".
My head is going to spin.

[amy31416]

It's weird, isn't it? Totally bizarre.

It does seem like a joke but if it is then who is involved? Even the local media?
http://www.kulr8.com/news/local/59284497.html

And I wonder how much the substantial sum of money was that APF put down?

Ah, here's an interesting article for you as you seem to be as baffled as I am. If this is a joke then it's an elaborate one for sure! :D

http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/article_babd814e-a591-11de-8891-001cc4c002e0.html

Yeah, the articles about this are just as crazy. And the whole notion of the local media and politicians/sheriff being in on it is too much.

One article I read stated that APF's been there for 10 months, others are saying the ISP is out of Portugal. But the big brother/cheesy imagery is over-the-top ridiculous. So is pimpin' into town with the Mercedes (what American police force drives Mercedes?) and the Serbian Coat of Arms. . . it just screams ridiculousness.

Oooh, but maybe that's what "they" want us to think? ooooooh... :D

But seriously, this deserves a full "what the fuck?" rather than just a WTF?

[pinkmandy]

And the article I posted is by Shay. Rev8 just posted above- this same reporter now works for APF.

Eta: That's one screwed up article, btw. Wth?

[amy31416]

He is comparing the APF to Militias!!!

This will be their slant. They will target the "backwoods" Militias... oh it fits so perfectly, MT is "full of" Militias, so who better to fight them. I am gonna puke.

http://gawker.com/5370717/montanas-american-police-force-the-nations-next-great-militia



Oh man, begin crisis control with all the PRopaganda against Militia's. No one will buy this shit. Not even the "bleeding hearts".
These people are Mercs, NOT "pothead militia".
My head is going to spin.

Yeah, I saw that. It's one of hundreds of goofy articles. I don't think anyone could legitimately compare an alleged mercenary company to real militia groups. If anything, maybe it's to lure some Montana militia group out of the woodwork or something.

Quite frankly, none of it makes enough sense yet for me to formulate much of an opinion aside from "well that's peculiar."

[amy31416]

And the article I posted is by Shay. Rev8 just posted above- this same reporter now works for APF.

Yeah, she's worked for them for about a month. Her number's on the website.

If it weren't for the involvement of the people in Montana, I'd say this was entirely concocted for someone to amuse themselves by watching conspiracy theorists freak the F out.

[revolutionary8]

And the article I posted is by Shay. Rev8 just posted above- this same reporter now works for APF.

http://images.craveonline.com/article_imgs/Image/Twilight-Zone-logo.jpg

[revolutionary8]

Yeah, she's worked for them for about a month. Her number's on the website.

If it weren't for the involvement of the people in Montana, I'd say this was entirely concocted for someone to amuse themselves by watching conspiracy theorists freak the F out.
Truth is stranger than fiction. :D

A month?

How Convenient.

http://content9.flixster.com/question/61/86/46/6186467_std.jpg

[Dr.3D]

It's weird, isn't it? Totally bizarre.

It does seem like a joke but if it is then who is involved? Even the local media?
http://www.kulr8.com/news/local/59284497.html

And I wonder how much the substantial sum of money was that APF put down?

Ah, here's an interesting article for you as you seem to be as baffled as I am. If this is a joke then it's an elaborate one for sure! :D

http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/article_babd814e-a591-11de-8891-001cc4c002e0.html


Earlier this month, Peterson, Smith and Two Rivers attorney Becky Convery flew to California at the authority's expense to meet with APF officials.


I have to wonder what they thought of the APF "office" there in California. Perhaps they got some "medication" while they were at it?

[devil21]

The physical address listed on their website is the same as a medical marijuana dispencary in california. Yes, they sell weed.

So you seriously think that this address is a legit address? Who's to prevent them from putting whatever address they want to? What's to prevent them from paying a monthly fee to the dispensary owner to collect whatever mail may show up and hold or forward it somewhere else? You're taking the MMJ address way too seriously as your evidence of it being "scammers" or "potheads". In all likelihood they didn't expect this to catch so much attention nationally, hence why the website was taken down and the address removed.

The phrase "He doth protest too much" comes to mind with your posts on this thread. Im not claiming to know what's going on but I know a hell of a lot more about the shady shit our gov't, the CIA, and these "private security contractors" are up to than the likelihood of some pothead scammers trying to take over an empty prison while driving MB trucks. Some random address doesn't mean shit in the big picture. Interesting thread though, definitely something to watch.

ETA: Im not convinced that it isn't an intentional orchestrated diversion to keep people busy figuring this out while something else actually goes on. /InterestedParticipant mode off

[devil21]

Local news video segment:

YouTube - Montana Town Occupied By Private Paramilitary Security Force (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9cr8BHBMK8&feature=player_embedded)

More info from an AP article a couple weeks ago:
http://suzieqq.wordpress.com/2009/09/15/american-police-force-to-manage-hardin-montana-prison/


An attorney for American Police Force, Maziar Mafi, describes the Santa Ana, Calif., company as a fledgling spin-off of a major security firm founded in 1984. But Mafi declined to name the parent firm or provide details on how the company will finance its jail operations.

Now thats ominous. Still think it's just some pothead scammers Legion? Take your disinfo elsewhere.

[Baptist]

bump
youtube.com/thealexjones channel has Steve Qualye talking about this.

[Cowlesy]

How has the BATFE not stormed this place yet.

And whether these guys are jokers or not, I am not sure how wise it is to be rolling around Montana of all states acting like storm troopers given the don't-tread-on-me nature of some of their citizens.

[silverhandorder]

When this issue resolves anyone who is following it can you pm me?

[pinkmandy]

WarDog started a thread with this link:
State legislators want more information on American Police Force, Hardin jail plans (http://www.missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/article_4648d688-ad57-11de-9cfd-001cc4c03286.html)

So it seems the state legislators want to know what is going on now. This is getting more attention than APF expected I think. Has it been on mainstream news? I just did a quick search on Hardin at Fox and CNN and saw nothing about this current story.

[pcosmar]

WarDog started a thread with this link:
State legislators want more information on American Police Force, Hardin jail plans (http://www.missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/article_4648d688-ad57-11de-9cfd-001cc4c03286.html)

So it seems the state legislators want to know what is going on now. This is getting more attention than APF expected I think. Has it been on mainstream news? I just did a quick search on Hardin at Fox and CNN and saw nothing about this current story.

Just this,
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/09/29/crimesider/entry5351491.shtml

as far as I have seen.

I still don't understand why the local Sheriff did not arrest these guys for Impersonating Police.
Perhaps they have a real Lame Sheriff.

[amy31416]

How has the BATFE not stormed this place yet.

And whether these guys are jokers or not, I am not sure how wise it is to be rolling around Montana of all states acting like storm troopers given the don't-tread-on-me nature of some of their citizens.

My only tinfoil-fueled hypothesis is that perhaps the BATFE is somehow in on this and it's intended to bring out some of the hardcore, underground Montana militia with this little clown show. Maybe even try to recruit militia guys with their training facilities or something.

Look at all we've found out about the sketchy nature of these guys within hours, and we don't have anything near the same resources as the government or law enforcement. Yet they have not swarmed the place. Very strange indeed.

[constituent]

While there are some skeptics among Hardin officials, all seem to agree the city has to take a chance on APF. Two Rivers has gone into default on its bond payments for the empty jail and the agency is nearly out of money.

So because Two Rivers made a bad investment the city "has to take a chance..."

That is utterly ridiculous.

Certainly fodder for any number of anti-regional development corp. projects i'm working on. Guess that's the upside.

[Dr.3D]

So you seriously think that this address is a legit address? Who's to prevent them from putting whatever address they want to? What's to prevent them from paying a monthly fee to the dispensary owner to collect whatever mail may show up and hold or forward it somewhere else? You're taking the MMJ address way too seriously as your evidence of it being "scammers" or "potheads". In all likelihood they didn't expect this to catch so much attention nationally, hence why the website was taken down and the address removed.

The phrase "He doth protest too much" comes to mind with your posts on this thread. Im not claiming to know what's going on but I know a hell of a lot more about the shady shit our gov't, the CIA, and these "private security contractors" are up to than the likelihood of some pothead scammers trying to take over an empty prison while driving MB trucks. Some random address doesn't mean shit in the big picture. Interesting thread though, definitely something to watch.

ETA: Im not convinced that it isn't an intentional orchestrated diversion to keep people busy figuring this out while something else actually goes on. /InterestedParticipant mode off

Add to that the following insulting posts:

You couldn't be more wrong. thanks for contributing without reading the thread.


This is white collar crime. Leave the investigation to people that don't believe in mindless fantasy (9/11 truth, illuminati, moon crystals)

Tends to make me wonder if Legion is more involved in this than he is willing to admit.

This is the same kind of stuff I would expect to see from the MSM or other organizations working to subvert discussion about what may be happening in Hardin.

In any case, I find the childish name calling and innuendos to be annoying and uncalled for.

[devil21]

The thread on this over at ATS has a lot more info, research, videos (incl. some MSM stuff), etc. I won't link to it here but it was front page of their site earlier.


Dr.3D, I think the tone of Legion's posts says more than the words themselves. Legion popped up again very recently and ever since has basically just posted about how we're all crazy nutcases every chance Legion gets. Reeks of disinfo shill.

[angelatc]

Oh man, begin crisis control with all the PRopaganda against Militias. No one will buy this shit. Not even the "bleeding hearts".
These people are Mercs, NOT "pothead militia".
My head is going to spin.

The fiscally conservative members of the neocon wing of the party are worried that our tax dollars are funding this.

[angelatc]

Because this story doesn't involve the Gitmo prisoners! This company claims to want it for training.

Yeah.....you should read up on how the Scientologists rolled into Clearwater sometime. This has that same feel to it.

[legion]

1. contact bankrupt nonmunicipal development agency
2. lease 3 black mercedes suvs for a year
3. cut a few checks to the local reporter
4. throw a little money around
5. make up a financial "wrench in the works" story and submit bond proposal
6. retire in style

called it!

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/09/30/us/AP-US-Montana-Jail.html


BILLINGS, Mont. (AP) -- Michael Hilton pitched himself to officials in Hardin, Mont. as a military veteran turned private sector entrepreneur, a California defense contractor with extensive government contracts who promised to turn the rural city's empty jail into a cash cow.

Hardin's leaders were desperate to fill the $27 million jail, which has sat empty since its 2007 completion.

So when Hilton came to town last week -- wearing a military-style uniform and offering three Mercedes SUVs for use by local law enforcement -- he was greeted with hugs by some grateful residents. The promise of more than 200 new jobs for a community struggling long before the recession hit had won them over.

But public documents and interviews with Hilton's associates and legal adversaries offer a different picture, that of a convicted felon with a number of aliases, a string of legal judgments against him, two bankruptcies and a decades-long reputation for deals gone bad.

American Police Force is the company Hilton formed in March to take over the Hardin jail.

''Such schemes you cannot believe,'' said Joseph Carella, an Orange County, Calif. doctor and co-defendant with Hilton in a real estate fraud case that resulted in a civil judgment against Hilton and several others.

''The guy's brilliant. If he had been able to do honest work, he probably would have been a gazillionaire,'' Carella said.

Court documents show Hilton has outstanding judgments against him in three civil cases totaling more than $1.1 million.

As for Hilton's military expertise, including his claim to have advised forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, those interviewed knew of no such feats. Instead, Hilton was described alternately by those who know him as an arts dealer, cook, restaurant owner, land developer, loan broker and car salesman -- always with a moneymaking scheme in the works.

Hilton did not return several calls seeking comment. American Police Force attorney Maziar Mafi referred questions to company spokeswoman Becky Shay.

When asked about court records detailing Hilton's past, Shay replied, ''The documents speak for themselves. If anyone has found public documents, the documents are what they are.''

Shay declined comment on Hilton's military experience.

Al Peterson, vice president of Hardin's Two Rivers Authority, which built the jail, declined to comment on Hilton's legal troubles. He refused to say if he knew about Hilton's past when the authority reached a 10-year agreement with American Police Force last month.

The deal is worth more than $2.6 million a year, according to city leaders.

Hilton has also pledged to build a $17 million military and law enforcement training center. And he's promised to dispatch security to patrol Hardin's streets, build an animal shelter and a homeless shelter and offer free health care to city resident's out of the jail's clinic.

Those additional promises were not included in the jail agreement, which remains in limbo because US Bank has so far declined to sign off on the contract. The bank is the trustee for the bonds used to fund the jail.

A US Bank spokeswoman declined to comment, but Peterson was adamant the deal would be approved.

''It's a solid deal. That's all I'll say,'' he said.

But a representative of a corrections advocacy group that has been critical of Hardin's jail and has investigated Hilton's past said city leaders dropped the ball.

''I'm amazed that city officials didn't do basic research that would have raised significant questions about American Private Police Force and Mr. Hilton's background,'' said Alex Friedmann, vice president of the Private Corrections Institute.

Hilton, 55, uses the title ''captain'' when introducing himself and on his business cards. But he acknowledged it was not a military rank.

He said he is naturalized U.S. citizen and native of Montenegro. Aliases for Hilton that appear in court documents include Miodrag Dokovich, Michael Hamilton, Hristian Djokich and Michael Djokovich.

One attorney who dealt with Hilton in a fraud lawsuit referred to him as a ''chameleon'' and he has a reputation for winning people over with his charm.

His criminal record goes back to at least 1988, when Hilton was arrested in Santa Ana, Calif. for writing bad checks.

Beginning in 1993, Hilton spent six years in prison in California on a dozen counts of grand theft and other charges including illegal diversion of construction funds.

The charges included stealing $20,000 in a real estate swindle in which Hilton convinced an associate to give him a deed on property in Long Beach, Calif., ostensibly as collateral on a loan. Hilton turned around and sold the property to another party but was caught when the buyer contacted the original owner.

After his release, he got entangled in at least three civil lawsuits alleging fraud or misrepresentation. Those included luring investors to sink money into gold and silver collectible coins; posing as a fine arts dealer in Utah in order to convince a co uple to give him a $100,000 silver statue; and, in the case involving co-defendant Carella, seeking investors for an assisted living complex in Southern California that was never built.

Carella said he was duped into becoming a partner in the development project and that Hilton used Carella's status as a physician to lure others into the scheme. He was described in court testimony as a ''pawn'' used by Hilton to lure investors.

Those involved with Hilton say he is an accomplished cook with a flair for the extravagant -- wining and dining potential partners, showing up at the Utah couple's house to negotiate for the silver statue in a chauffeur-driven Mercedes.

''This is the way we got taken,'' said Carolyn Call of Provo, Utah, who said she gave Hilton her family's silver statue to sell on the open market.

According to court documents, Hilton turned around and gave the statue to an attorney to pay for his services.

Two California attorneys said Wednesday that after learning of Hilton's latest activities they planned to follow him to Montana to seek payment on the outstanding judgments against him.

''Once I know that there is an asset or some sort of funds to go after, we'll go after it,'' said Call's attorney, Roger Naghash.

Associated Press writers Amy Taxin in Santa Ana and Greg Risling in Los Angeles and researcher Barbara Sambriski in New York contributed to this story.

Easy pickins' for federal law enforcement.

[Romulus]

good job legion..

[..PAUL4PRES..]

Hardin, Montana, tip of the iceberg?
http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-14766-Charleston-Ron-Paul-Examiner~y2009m9d30-Hardin-Montana-tip-of-the-iceberg

[Kbeaubs]

I gotta say. I'm impressed. Several of you took this strange article, turned it into a conspiracy, and dang near proved it !!

I hope another one of these pops up some time soon. I want to watch the sleuths in action.

[Dr.3D]

I gotta say. I'm impressed. Several of you took this strange article, turned it into a conspiracy, and dang near proved it !!

I hope another one of these pops up some time soon. I want to watch the sleuths in action.

Not a conspiracy, but rather an opinion of what might have been happening.
We all had an opinion till the truth came out to show which of those opinions was the reality of the situation.

[justinc.1089]

I'm lost. Can someone sum this up please?:)

[amy31416]

called it!

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/09/30/us/AP-US-Montana-Jail.html



Easy pickins' for federal law enforcement.

Almost all of us called bullshit on this "company" in one way or another.

[legion]

Almost all of us called bullshit on this "company" in one way or another.

you thought it was an elaborate hoax.

unfortunately the world is not that funny.

my semi-gloating was not directed at you, anyways. it was to all the TRUTHER IDIOTS calling me a disinformation agent.

i research these kinds of financial frauds as a hobby to keep my BS filter sharp, mostly penny stocks.

[devil21]

Maybe I missed it but where was the part in the article where they said that the plan wasn't going ahead as usual?

I see a lot of smearing of the Hilton guy's past but nothing stating he is a scam artist in this jail takeover scheme, that he's going to be arrested for fraud, and that the deal isn't going to happen just like reported before this article was published, by state controlled media like the NYT. Looks more like damage control and plausible deniability to me.

I don't see the evidence of a scam in that article, just a shady background of one of the people involved. Does a shady background mean it's automatically a scam? The gov't deals in shady backgrounds....

[Baptist]

you thought it was an elaborate hoax.

unfortunately the world is not that funny.

my semi-gloating was not directed at you, anyways. it was to all the TRUTHER IDIOTS calling me a disinformation agent.

i research these kinds of financial frauds as a hobby to keep my BS filter sharp, mostly penny stocks.


There is just one thing that doesn't make sense to me. The NYT article stated that part of the agreement was for this dude to provide their police force with pimpin' new cars. But the town doesn't have a police force and I thought the mayor/city council was on record stating that they had no idea what these police cars were doing in their streets.

[constituent]

Well, there went Al Peterson.

At least he tried.

[PatriotOne]

you thought it was an elaborate hoax.

unfortunately the world is not that funny.

my semi-gloating was not directed at you, anyways. it was to all the TRUTHER IDIOTS calling me a disinformation agent.

i research these kinds of financial frauds as a hobby to keep my BS filter sharp, mostly penny stocks.

What exactly are you gloating about? That this company has shady people running it? Whooppee fucking doo. That's not exactly a revelation considering our Government has contracts with shady people/company's all the time and I wasn't expecting a group of boyscouts to be behind the American Police Force. It doesn't change the fact that Hardin's Two Rivers Authority is working on finalizing a contract worth ~$2.6m a year with this company.

BILLINGS - Three weeks after announcing a deal with American Police Force, Two River's Authority officials say the contract is yet to be finalized.
Two River's Authority Vice President Al Peterson says the contract is on its second or third re-write. He says an agreement is still hinging on tax laws and making sure the bonds used to fund the jail remain tax-free.

Two Rivers officials hope to have the contract approved by their next meeting scheduled for October 5th. Peterson says the deal will be released to the public after it's signed.
http://www.kulr8.com/home/related/62995547.html

Al Peterson, vice president of Hardin's Two Rivers Authority, which built the jail, declined to comment on Hilton's legal troubles. He refused to say if he knew about Hilton's past when the authority reached a 10-year agreement with American Police Force last month.

A US Bank spokeswoman declined to comment, but Peterson was adamant the deal would be approved.

''It's a solid deal. That's all I'll say,'' he said.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009...tana-Jail.html

Still, some Hardin leaders said the deal to turn over the 464-bed jail remained on track.

The agreement with American Police Force has been heavily promoted by members of the city's economic development branch, the Two Rivers Authority. Authority Vice President Albert Peterson on Friday repeated his claim to be “100 percent” confident in the company.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/09/29/crimesider/entry5351491.shtml

[PatriotOne]

This is the real question anyways. Where is the money coming from to run the prison and why is it a secret?

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/09/29/crimesider/entry5351491.shtml

On Friday, American Police Force announced its first local hire: a reporter for the Billings Gazette, Becky Shay, who has covered events surrounding the jail since its construction. She will be the company's spokeswoman for $60,000 a year.

Shay said she intended to bring new transparency to the process, but declined to directly answer the first question posed to her: Where is American Police Force getting the money to operate the jail and build the training center?

“I know enough about where the money is coming from to be confident signing on with them,” she said.

[angelatc]

Hilton did not return several calls seeking comment. American Police Force attorney Maziar Mafi referred questions to company spokeswoman Becky Shay.

When asked about court records detailing Hilton's past, Shay replied, ''The documents speak for themselves. If anyone has found public documents, the documents are what they are.''

Shay declined comment on Hilton's military experience.

Becky Shay. Walked away from a career as a journalist to hang her hat with this loser?

He's doing her.

[PatriotOne]

This would not surprise me one bit. Let's see what they came up with.

Exposed: American Police Force Is A Blackwater Front Group

Prison Planet.com
Thursday, October 1, 2009

American Police Force, the paramilitary unit patrolling a small town in Montana, has been exposed as being a front group for the disgraced Blackwater, now called “Xe”.

Full story to follow, watch this space.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/exposed-american-police-force-is-a-blackwater-front-group.html

[amy31416]

Becky Shay. Walked away from a career as a journalist to hang her hat with this loser?

He's doing her.

I saw a picture of Becky Shay. She is decidedly unhot.

[Dr.3D]

you thought it was an elaborate hoax.

unfortunately the world is not that funny.

my semi-gloating was not directed at you, anyways. it was to all the TRUTHER IDIOTS calling me a disinformation agent.

i research these kinds of financial frauds as a hobby to keep my BS filter sharp, mostly penny stocks.

What's with the name calling?
Do it one more time and I may quote scripture on ya. :D

[pcosmar]

I saw a picture of Becky Shay. She is decidedly unhot.

Aw, well,,,
She may have hidden talents. ;)

or she may be just a useful idiot, which is more likely.

[amy31416]

Aw, well,,,
She may have hidden talents. ;)

or she may be just a useful idiot, which is more likely.

I think useful idiot. Not to mention that they offered to pay her $60k/year, which is like getting paid $500k/year in Hardin.

[angelatc]

I saw a picture of Becky Shay. She is decidedly unhot.

Which makes her the mark. :)

[constituent]

I saw a picture of Becky Shay. She is decidedly unhot.

Hadn't you heard? Ugly is the new sexy.

[LittleLightShining]

Ok, so I finally read through this whole thread and some things still aren't adding up to me. I've been getting some pretty crazy emails about this whole situation and I'd appreciate some help in reconciling them with what seems to be the consensus here:



Hi all,Lots going on and I will tell you this is just a warm up for what is to come.This private police force has in it hands all gun owners from registrations.I will remind you that NO government has EVER registered weapons and not confiscated them.Now reports from Montana are that roadblocks have been set up and residents are being told to REPORT to a RFID station so this private police force will have knowledge of locations of all weapons in this town.Accordingly this PRIVATE POLICE FORCE has announced that they will have similar "EXERCISES" in THIRTY other towns throughout the US.Accordingly look at their logo and also researching this firm they state that they are 75% FOREIGN personnell.The interveiw I saw was with a man with a very heavy eastern block ascent. Many REAL patriots are going to Hardin as we speak to support and investigate.I just recieved a comm that this is a hoax because the main stream media is not covering this.Wake up!!!I guess if you are so ignorant that you still have faith in the main stream media you might just as well report to the RFID station now or better yet just turn them in as you are just what they want.Ignorant and cowardly.





This email came to me this afternoon from a friend that I have never known to lie or exaggerate, someone I trust to be honest with me. I am sending this out without corroboration and caution everyone to check out the information for yourself, I will do the same. I received several credible emails last week from a very good friend that reported the takeover of the new prison by an international private police force that has significant ties to Washington, DC. That was verified in an AP article a few days later and now this email comes through. We need to use any and all sources at our disposal to confirm or disprove this email. It is far too important to the future of our state and nation to ignore. If you have any contacts in the Hardin area, please forward this email and request their help in validating or disproving what has been said here.

In liberty,
-----------

September 28, 2009

“Arise, shine; for your light has come! And the glory of the Lord is risen upon you. For behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and deep darkness the people; but the Lord will arise over you, and His glory will be seen upon you.” Isaiah 60:1

“…We must remember: how we vote is how we will be visited. In the Greek, the word for ‘visitation’ is linked not only with the concept of overseeing but also with casting a vote. People who live in a nation with a democratic process that forms how they are governed are allowed by a holy God who rules the earth to choose their future. We, like Israel of old, can demand a king and then wake up one morning and see that those whom we have chosen have now made choices for us that are detrimental to our future…

As the word of God says in 1 Samuel 8:18, the Lord warned the people that if they chose a king who was not His choice, the following would happen: “You will cry out in that day because of your king whom you have chosen for yourselves, and the Lord will not hear you in that day.” We can always make a choice that will be detrimental to our lives in days ahead…The factor of time causes our true hearts to be seen and the consequences of our choices to manifest.” (quote from ‘Redeeming the Time’ by Chuck Pierce)

THE SHAKING HAS BEGUN!

Dear Intercessors,

Things are moving so quickly and we are out of time! The spirit of Pharaoh has entered our land! We have found out that our little town of Hardin is the 'test town' for President Obama’s new law to privatize the police force of local communities. Last night, the city council voted to disband our sheriff’s department and to bring in a private security company to police the town.

Interestingly, earlier in the day, the mayor when asked in an interview about the privatization of our police department completely denied it and said that would not be done with out a council meeting. Then that evening, a council meeting was held in regards to that very thing. At the beginning of this month, our local prison signed an agreement with the American Police Force which is a subsidiary of a larger private security force that the U.S. used in the Iraq war and Hurricane Katrina.

Yesterday, a convoy of twelve 'blacked out' Mercedes Benz SUV’s were brought into town. They were already painted with Hardin’s colors and ‘Hardin Police Force’ was already painted on them! Hardin’s sheriff’s department will no longer be in operation after the month of October. During October, the Sheriff’s Department is to train this new security force in all the logistics of running the town of Hardin. If you go on the American Police Force site, you might notice that the logo they use is actually a Russian logo. I have been told that the man who came with this new security force as the captain, has a thick Russian accent.

Earlier this month, in an interview in regards to this Hardin prison and the training center that they are planning to build, we were told that seventy five percent of the security officers that were to be trained would be ‘international’.

This private security force is already patrolling the town. They had several people stopped yesterday. Also, it appears that they are building some type of heavy duty gate at the entrances of our town.

In an interview, the American Police Force security has stated that they will stay here one month to assess the population and then they will make their permanent base here. They said they are scouting out thirty towns in the U.S. but that Hardin is the first. Also, President Obama has authorized and signed a bill for full government funding of the privatization of the police departments throughout the U.S. By the end of October, it is their plan to have all major cities locked down!

In an interview with one of the city council members, he stated that this new H1N1 shot which has not been tested will be mandatory and if a resident of our town refuses, they will be taken to our prison where they will be quarantined. A federal law has been passed that makes it mandatory that all health care workers have to take this new shot. If they do not, they will automatically loose their jobs.

The new federal law that is in place makes gives you four choices in regards to this new shot. One, you can voluntarily take it or you can refuse and be taken to a place to be quarantined, or as an alternative; if you refuse, you can have a chip placed in you to track you or a tracking bracelet which cannot be taken off. The state borders will be manned and locked down in the near future in regards to this mandatory shot.

I am also told by a reliable source that today one of the managers at a local business in Hardin was visited by this new private security force which is now the new Hardin Police Department. He is an avid hunter and they came to inform him that they had a list of all fire arms that he owned; this includes all the residents of our town, and that he would need to take his guns down to have them put a marking device on them.
Also, today, one of the main streets in Hardin was completely blocked off and they have been setting up information booths where they are passing out pamphlets with information on this new H1N1 shot.

Intercessors, I am not making up any of this information! You can go on the internet and verify most of this information from KULR 8, MSNBC or Fox news. Things have changed so quickly in the last 24 hours! Things are not and will never be the same. We are indeed going into the prophesied 'four years of captivity for America'. I believe we are about to enter into a time of persecution that the Church in America has never known! We must prepare! The good news is that this is also the time when the Glory of God will manifest itself in a way we have never known!

In His Service,



I just heard confirmation of the scenario outlined in the letter from Hardin. A very good friend and the most credible and honest guy I can think of, just made a phone call this evening to a friend living in Hardin (a Hardin businessman) who has confirmed that everything in the letter is factual. Factual right down to the Black Mercedes SUVs and according to this man, the Sheriff is not in town and has not been seen for several days. According to this gentleman, there is near panic in the town because these guys have just moved in and taken over and the "city fathers" have allowed it to happen with little or no opposition. This is like something out of a horror movie, except it is happening right here in Montana. I am copying a few of you that didn't get this the first time now that I have had several sources to confirm the original letter. This is something that everyone should know and be very, very concerned about. The things that are happening in this country right before our eyes are something that most of us couldn't have conceived even a year or two ago. God bless and God save our Republic.

In liberty,

[legion]

Ok, so I finally read through this whole thread and some things still aren't adding up to me. I've been getting some pretty crazy emails about this whole situation and I'd appreciate some help in reconciling them with what seems to be the consensus here:

The whole thing is a scam meant to play off of peoples fears that this sort of thing exists, as well as take advantage of some career bureaucrats who find themselves trapped with a defaulted bond.

You don't have anything to fear (yet) if you are anticipating it.

[pacelli]

I don't know if anyone else on the forum listens to American Freedom Radio [www.americanfreedomradio.com], or already posted this link. I haven't had the time to follow all 21 pages of this thread. Sorry if this has already been posted.

Yesterday (9/30/09) Jack Blood interviewed Becky Shay, spokeswoman for American Police Force.

Here's the interview:

http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/archive/Jack-Blood-32k-2nd-Hour-Edited-093009.mp3

[devil21]

The whole thing is a scam meant to play off of peoples fears that this sort of thing exists, as well as take advantage of some career bureaucrats who find themselves trapped with a defaulted bond.

You don't have anything to fear (yet) if you are anticipating it.

Im still looking for the part where it was announced that the plan isn't actually going through as before. Please point me to that part. Otherwise, stop making stuff up. We're doin serious work around here...

[constituent]

Ok, so I finally read through this whole thread and some things still aren't adding up to me. I've been getting some pretty crazy emails about this whole situation and I'd appreciate some help in reconciling them with what seems to be the consensus here:

Sounds like "we" are getting played. Frankly, the content of those letters really gives me pause.

"pharaoh has come..."

jebus, when I have to call someone "bat shit crazy," you know something has gone awry.

[Sandman33]

So WTF is REALLY going on in Hardin?

[foofighter20x]

reminds me of Borat

Your Borat quote reminded me of Blazing Saddles. :p


Lamarr: Qualifications?
Outlaw: Rape, murder, arson and rape.
Lamarr: You said rape twice.
Outlaw: I like rape.

[pcosmar]

So WTF is REALLY going on in Hardin?

Some very questionable activities. The full extent and real purpose are unknown at this time.
There are a lot of eyes on this.
Much is known
Much is speculated.
No one has been arrested, despite laws being broken.

Stay tuned.

[Anti Federalist]

I miss that music already. Any body remember what the name of the song is?

Bolero by Maurice Ravel

Site seems to be still up.

[pcosmar]

Bolero by Maurice Ravel

Site seems to be still up.

It went down when the story broke, came back up, adjusted slightly.

[Anti Federalist]

It went down when the story broke, came back up, adjusted slightly.

I just got home and I'm still trying to wrap my head around this story.

WTF - over.

[amy31416]

I just got home and I'm still trying to wrap my head around this story.

WTF - over.

Yeah, pretty bizarre.

If you didn't find it in this thread, this is a pretty well-linked research thread: http://www.stealthfusion.com/forum/research/6176-dossier-american-police-force.html

[pcosmar]

WTF - over.

That is the general consensus.

[revolutionary8]

Yeah, pretty bizarre.

If you didn't find it in this thread, this is a pretty well-linked research thread: http://www.stealthfusion.com/forum/research/6176-dossier-american-police-force.html

Wow. That is a really good thread. There is a lot of good info. there.
Here is an interesting post:

http://www.stealthfusion.com/forum/research/6176-dossier-american-police-force-3.html#post16665

Quote:Originally Posted by SouthCoastPatientCenter

Can ACE please edit his post? His pictures are misleading and incorrectly titled. Thanks.


legion
Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 2

i suggest you contact an attorney, who would tell you to not make any more public statements at this time.

good luck.

Very strange. I believe this is the place where legion got the pictures of the "APF Office".
Is that correct legion?

[PatriotOne]

Wow. That is a really good thread. There is a lot of good info. there.
Here is an interesting post:

http://www.stealthfusion.com/forum/research/6176-dossier-american-police-force-3.html#post16665

Quote:Originally Posted by SouthCoastPatientCenter



legion
Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 2


Very strange. I believe this is the place where legion got the pictures of the "APF Office".
Is that correct legion?

Hehe. Good catch R8. Legion now giving legal advice to stop the bleeding ;) Sure seems intent on derailing this story eh?

[BenIsForRon]

Raw Story is has ongoing coverage of this

[BenIsForRon]

It's looking like this company is looking for a base of operations, to be a kind of warlord of the western US after a big economic collapse.

[krazy kaju]

Also maybe the conspiracy theorists out there know, but isn't a red shield with a double-eagle some kind of conspiracy symbol?

It looks like the Serbian eagle:
http://www.flagshag.com/smaller/europecoats/serbia.jpg

[PatriotOne]

Alex Jones reporting live in Hardin, MT. I've just started the 1st vid but so far very interesting. He's getting an interivew and tour with Becky Shay, Spokesperson for AFP.

Alex Jones Tv 1/5: Alex & Steve Call in From Hardin, Montana on APF Camp!!

YouTube - Alex Jones Tv 1/5:Alex & Steve Call in From Hardin, Montana on APF Camp!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xuGG6NNFj8&feature=channel)

Alex Jones Tv 2/6:Alex & Steve Call in From Hardin, Montana on APF Camp!!

YouTube - Alex Jones Tv 2/6:Alex & Steve Call in From Hardin, Montana on APF Camp!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH_9e8RtVgI&feature=channel)

Alex Jones Tv 3/6:Alex & Steve Call in From Hardin, Montana on APF Camp!!

YouTube - Alex Jones Tv 3/6:Alex & Steve Call in From Hardin, Montana on APF Camp!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGhrUoWC10I&feature=channel)

Alex Jones Tv 4/6:Alex & Steve Call in From Hardin, Montana on APF Camp!!

YouTube - Alex Jones Tv 4/6:Alex & Steve Call in From Hardin, Montana on APF Camp!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IZ8j8aF_E4&feature=channel)

Alex Jones Tv 5/6:Alex & Steve Call in From Hardin, Montana on APF Camp!!

YouTube - Alex Jones Tv 5/6:Alex & Steve Call in From Hardin, Montana on APF Camp!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtDiB8FCYY0&feature=channel)

Alex Jones Tv 6/6:Alex & Steve Call in From Hardin, Montana on APF Camp!!

YouTube - Alex Jones Tv 6/6:Alex & Steve Call in From Hardin, Montana on APF Camp!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVK4zyqyo0w&feature=channel)

[Arklatex]

http://www.taxfreegold.co.uk/images/1915austria100coronasrev400.jpg


I've often wondered about that double headed eagle, I've seen it many weird places... like there is a country that has it on their flag or a past flag i can't remember which though.

Edit: it is Montenegro

[PatriotOne]

Ole Becky is still not disclosing who the parent company of AFP is. She doesn't deny it is Blackwater when specifically asked,,,she just says they will not be disclosing that information.

[PatriotOne]

http://www.taxfreegold.co.uk/images/1915austria100coronasrev400.jpg


I've often wondered about that double headed eagle, I've seen it many weird places... like there is a country that has it on their flag or a past flag i can't remember which though.

Edit: it is Montenegro

And many others:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-headed_eagle

The two-headed eagle appears on the coat of arms of the following countries and territories:

Albania (see Coat of arms of Albania)
Armenia (see Coat of arms of Armenia)
Austria-Hungary (historical)
Austria (1934-1938) (see Coat of arms of Austria)
Byzantine Empire (historical)
German Confederation (historical)
Holy Roman Empire (historical)
Montenegro (see Coat of arms of Montenegro)

Armorial of Charles I of Spain.Republika Srpska (formerly used from 1992 until 2007) in Bosnia and Herzegovina
Russian Federation (see Coat of arms of Russia)
Russian Empire (historical)
Seljuk Empire (historical)
Serbian Empire (historical)
Serbia and Montenegro (historical)
Serbia (see Coat of arms of Serbia)
Spanish Empire during the House of Habsburg dinasty (see Coat of arms of Spain )
Kingdom of Yugoslavia (historical)
Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (historical)
It also appears on the following flags:

Flag of Albania
Flag of Montenegro
State Flag of Serbia
The flag of the Greek Orthodox Church, which is also used unofficially at the autonomous monastic state of Mount Athos
Coat of Arms and flag of Hellenic Army General Staff. Also Coat of Arms and flag of Hellenic Army XVI Infantry Division [1].
With the addition of Greek letters "Ε Φ" or the label "ΕΘΝΙΚΗ ΦΡΟΥΡΑ" a similar coat of arms is used by the National Guard of the Republic of Cyprus [2].
The coat of arms of Bolsward, Netherlands

[Romulus]

judging by their gay website and lame luminati graphics, id say they are sorry excuse for anything professional. They sound like a hoax and scam. Who they are trying scam and who's doing the scamming of course the big question.

[revolutionary8]

judging by their gay website and lame luminati graphics, id say they are sorry excuse for anything professional. They sound like a hoax and scam. Who they are trying scam and who's doing the scamming of course the big question.

This is silly. If it is a scam, why aren't they all in JAIL for impersonating Police Officers? For Fraud? etc.
And just as devil asked, if this is a "scam", then why does this "deal" seem to be floating along? If it is a scam, why is Becky Shay pulling a Ben Bernanke style crisis control PRopaganda media tour?


Here is the deal, this is a full blown psy op- if it's real, we're fucked, if it's not real (which we are seeing it with our own eyes, we know its "real) then we've been condidtioned and are victims of psyche warefare.

We know that Harling, from Dallas Tx is in on the prison, and he is on record advocating "detention centers for families who have not committed crimes" *his words*
We know that translates to "prison camp".
Who do you suppose are going to fill those "detention centers"?
First they came for the illegals,
Then they came for ...
Seriously, this is messed up...

[Dionysus]

If the FBI is aware of this, as Infowars reports, then they better make haste and arrest this con-man from Eastern Europe before he disappears. Just take him into custody already.

[Romulus]

hey I dont like it either.. but they arent posing as police per say, they are 'security'. Hardin sounds insane and its not that I dont think he's dangerous, but its a sham sounds like. We'll see how far he gets and if he does, he's being 'allowed' to.

[revolutionary8]

hey I dont like it either.. but they arent posing as police per say, they are 'security'. Hardin sounds insane and its not that I dont think he's dangerous, but its a sham sounds like. We'll see how far he gets and if he does, he's being 'allowed' to.

This is more misinformation.

http://i526.photobucket.com/albums/cc343/shittaeus/hardinpd1.png

http://i526.photobucket.com/albums/cc343/shittaeus/hardinpd2.png

http://i526.photobucket.com/albums/cc343/shittaeus/hardinpd3.png

and wtf do you mean by "per say"?
lol

[pcosmar]

hey I dont like it either.. but they arent posing as police per say, they are 'security'. Hardin sounds insane and its not that I dont think he's dangerous, but its a sham sounds like. We'll see how far he gets and if he does, he's being 'allowed' to.

They were "posing as police"when they rolled into town. They had decals on their cars when this story broke. They have removed the decals.
This whole thing stinks.
the fact that none has been arrested smells real bad.

[Dr.3D]

This is more misinformation.

http://i526.photobucket.com/albums/cc343/shittaeus/hardinpd1.png
~snip

and wtf do you mean by "per say"?
lol

Say, what kind of license plates are those?

[pinkmandy]

The original holes in the story are still holes. Some of them are even bigger. Nothing has really been explained yet that is backed up with evidence other than that the buyer is a probably a known scammer. Does that prove, though, that APF isn't a front group for a bigger security firm with a reputation that would have drawn attention instantly? And why are the Twin River folks and Shay saying they have seen credible documents? And why will they not say who APF is fronting? If Twin Rivers was being scammed surely by now they would be filing lawsuits against APF and not saying they are assured the deal would still go through?

Psy-op. Keep people so confused they won't recognize the truth when they see it.

[pcosmar]

Say, what kind of license plates are those?

Good eye.
Hadn't noticed that. (off to find better pics)

[revolutionary8]

Say, what kind of license plates are those?

Good question D-



(off to find better pics)"](off to find better pics)

Yeah,yeah yeah :D

[PatriotOne]

Bob Prince. I wonder if he is related to Erik Prince of Blackwater? Some interesting background on the Two Rivers Facility done by Montana's Legislative Audit Division in 2007. The facility was originally to be operated and managed by a company called Civigenics of Texas. Bob Prince is the Marketing Liaison for Civigenics.

Another interesting note on this audit is how the consortium of financers of the Two Rivers facility (The Municipal Capital Market Group of Texas) built another facility in Willacy County Texas to accomodate Homeland Security to house illegal immigrants but Homeland Security would only commit to a 2 yr contract. Those in the know are aware that Illegal Immigrants were just the excuse to build detention centers in the first place. The county commisioners were convicted of accepting bribes from the same company who built the Hardin Facility.

Hmmmm....there is a lot of data mining to be done on the origins of the Two Rivers facility itself....not just current events at the facility.

Montana Legislative Audit Memo of Two Rivers

http://www.cor.mt.gov/content/Resources/CorAdvCouncil/Archive/February2008/AuditorReport.pdf

[PatriotOne]

Hmmmm...some info on another prison built by the same construction company Hale-Mills. Not enought time to research more prisons but wanted to post so I can come back to it and not forget where I left off:

Case Study: Willacy County Correctional Facility - Raymondville, TX

http://privateprisonwatch.net/2009/07/04/case-study-willacy-county-adult-correctional-facility.aspx

The Willacy County Adult Correctional Facility is a 540-bed prison contracted with the U.S. Marshals Service. The facility was built in 2002 using $23.9 million in revenue bonds issued by the Willacy CountyPublic Finance Corporation. The Management and Training Corporation, a Utah-based private prison operator, was awarded a $43 million contract to operate the jail after it was constructed. A few years later, the Willacy County Facility would prove to be one of the more corrupt Texas prisons.

In January 2005, two Willacy County Commissioners resigned their posts and plead guilty to receiving kick-backs in conjunction with the private jail project. The Commissioners, Israel Tamez and Jose Jimenez, accepted $10,000 in bribes from construction companies connected to the project in return for their votes in favor of the project. In March 2005, a third south Texas official pled guilty to funneling money from aprivate prison developer to the former Willacy County Commissioners. The ex-Commissioner, David Cortez of Webb County, resigned his position and pled guilty to conspiring to “obstruct, delay and affect commerce.” Prosecutors allege that Cortez helped funnel at least $39,000 to “several” Willacy County commissioners from an unnamed company involved in the jail’s development. In late May, 2005, Willacy County sued two of the companies involved in the contract – CorPlace Corrections and Hale-Mills – in state district court claiming that the companies conspired to bribe the commissioners to win thecontract to build the prison.

In 2007, fifty detainees report finding maggots in their rotten food, a serious lack of toiletries, and a lack of air conditioning,which has resulted in several detainees fainting (TPB). Other problems include lack of sanitary supplies, little communication with the outside including legal counsel, and problems with the air conditioning and heating systems. According to the news report, “security guards say they can not believe what they see, they make reports and advise superiors but the situation is the same. Detainees are desperate and things may get out of hand.”

In 2008, a Willacy County grand jury indicted former Vice President Dick Cheney andFormer Attorney General Alberto Gonzales on state charges related to the alleged abuse of prisoners in Willacy County's federal detention centers (CHRON). Additionally, two local commissioners and Texas State Senator Eddie Lucio Jr. were indicted for bribery. However, these indictments were never authorized by Presiding Judge Manuel Banales of the Fifth Administrative Judicial Region, and have not been completed.

[Anti Federalist]

MSNBC reports:

Montana AG launches probe of jail deal
Company in deal with city is headed by a convicted felon with fraud history

BILLINGS, Mont. - Montana's attorney general launched an investigation Thursday into a California company that wants to take over an empty jail in the rural city of Hardin, following revelations that the company's lead figure is a convicted felon with a history of fraud.

Michael Hilton, who formed Santa Ana, Calif.-based American Police Force in March, came to Hardin last month promising to fill the city's never-used jail and build a large military and law enforcement training center.

Hilton has a decades-long track record of fraudulent activities and spent several years in a California prison on grand theft charges. A native of Montenegro, he uses at least 17 aliases.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33131009/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

[Cowlesy]

Say, what kind of license plates are those?

Looks like it says "Mercedes of Im....."

hah, so this guy possibly rented 3 benz SUVs to drive up there to look legit?

This Hilton guy is such a scammer.

[constituent]

Looks like it says "Mercedes of Im....."


WOW, I don't know about TT&L (obviously you could leave the second T off in this instance) policy in California (or wherever they picked the vehicles up), but if you could decipher it, or find a clearer picture we could search for the dealership and then check public records from the local tax office, dmv, etc. They probably rented them all at once, so you would just look for a few "MAKE: Mercedes" in a row. Should tell you who payed the bill.



hah, so this guy possibly rented 3 benz SUVs to drive up there to look legit?

Well, probably leased.



This Hilton guy is such a scammer.

Not anymore, at least not in the U.S.A.

Though I have to admit, when I read the story of the silver statue, the grin couldn't be stopped.

Ghetto Fabulous.

[PatriotOne]

Doh! It just dawned on me that there should be a Kellog Browsn and Root connection somewhere. They were the company who received the contract from Homeland Security to build the detention centers in the first place. Are they the mysterious company no one can talk about? So much research so little time.

KBR awarded Homeland Security contract worth up to $385M

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/kbr-awarded-homeland-security-contract-worth-up-to-385m

[PatriotOne]

Looks like it says "Mercedes of Im....."

hah, so this guy possibly rented 3 benz SUVs to drive up there to look legit?

This Hilton guy is such a scammer.

He may be a scammer but that does not mean this thing isn't legit. He has powerful people backing him and they need people like this scum bag to do their bidding. It's called "business as usual" in the U.S.

[pcosmar]

Looks like it says "Mercedes of Im....."

hah, so this guy possibly rented 3 benz SUVs to drive up there to look legit?
.

It tried to blow it up and sharpen, didn't help much. The pic was pulled from the video and just isn't clear. I also searched plates, both us and world. It doesn't match any known, that I could find.
It does look like it says "Mercedes of Im...." and could be a dealer sales plate. or a possible vanity plate.
That is NOT a legal plate. It is illegal.
So I have to ask again, Why has there been NO arrest.

[PatriotOne]

It tried to blow it up and sharpen, didn't help much. The pic was pulled from the video and just isn't clear. I also searched plates, both us and world. It doesn't match any known, that I could find.
It does look like it says "Mercedes of Im...." and could be a dealer sales plate. or a possible vanity plate.
That is NOT a legal plate. It is illegal.
So I have to ask again, Why has there been NO arrest.

"National Security" perhaps?

[pcosmar]

"National Security" perhaps?

Perhaps,
It is puzzling. If it was a scam, a joke or some promotion it would be easy to understand and accept.
There seem to be many questionable connections here.
And they seem to be protected from LE, for offenses that any other would be immediately arrested.
:confused:

[Cowlesy]

It tried to blow it up and sharpen, didn't help much. The pic was pulled from the video and just isn't clear. I also searched plates, both us and world. It doesn't match any known, that I could find.
It does look like it says "Mercedes of Im...." and could be a dealer sales plate. or a possible vanity plate.
That is NOT a legal plate. It is illegal.
So I have to ask again, Why has there been NO arrest.

Well there could have been a dealer-temp plate which is just a piece of paper in the rear-window --- I see dealer-cars driving around all the time in NY without real plates. I'm wondering if there hasn't been any real investigations because Montana is so sparse and not a crazy police state like ny.

[constituent]

Perhaps,
It is puzzling. If it was a scam, a joke or some promotion it would be easy to understand and accept.
There seem to be many questionable connections here.
And they seem to be protected from LE, for offenses that any other would be immediately arrested.
:confused:

I keep reading that all these actions are illegal, but I haven't seen the city charter posted here to back any of those assertions. Who there is allowed to create/hire police and police departments? Have you seen the contractual agreement signed between the two parties concerned (the city itself and AFP)?

[pcosmar]

I keep reading that all these actions are illegal, but I haven't seen the city charter posted here to back any of those assertions. Who there is allowed to create/hire police and police departments? Have you seen the contractual agreement signed between the two parties concerned (the city itself and AFP)?
It is called "Impersonating a Police Officer" and it is illegal in any place I have ever been.
There is no Hardin City Police Dept. It is under the Sheriffs jurisdiction.
There was nothing about this in the City Counsel minutes, They were working with the Sheriff Dept.
They Identified themselves initially as Hardin Police Dept.
Hence, my question.

[constituent]

It is called "Impersonating a Police Officer" and it is illegal in any place I have ever been.

Can you post the text of the law concerning what EXACTLY is defined as "Impersonating a Police Officer in either Montana or locally?"

Generally speaking (which is worthless when discussing the law... kind of my point here, anyway), in order for the offense to qualify as impersonating a police officer, one most impersonate actual police officers (or an actual police force).



There is no Hardin City Police Dept.

Exactly, so which police officer/police department were they TECHNICALLY impersonating?

What sort of municipality is this (per Montana's state laws regarding incorporation)?

What does Montana's state law say regarding their type of Municipality and the hiring/appointing of police officers/police departments?

Who has what authority in what situations?

Do you see how this works, and why we need to know the ACTUAL law before we can draw the conclusions that you've been lead to?



It is under the Sheriffs jurisdiction.

...and they didn't impersonate the sheriff



There was nothing about this in the City Counsel minutes

You read ALL of the counsel's minutes (going how far back), but cannot produce the city charter that ACTUALLY MATTERS?

Help me out here.

[pcosmar]

I don't know, and am not in Montana. I am asking because it is a crime elsewhere, and commonly prosecuted.
http://www.kulr8.com/news/local/61320122.html
I am not the only one asking this same question.
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=off&q=impersonating+a+police+officer+Montana&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&fp=2cca7b2e99206b9c

It also seems that it is a crime in Montana.
http://www.kpax.com/Global/story.asp?S=11117985

Butte-Silver Bow County Sheriff John Walsh said Friday that officer John Bleile resigned June 16. The officer was charged in October 2007 for slamming a patron of the Vu Villa Bar against the wall the previous June. He also was charged with impersonating a peace officer because he was on administrative leave at the time of the incident and threatened to arrest people that evening.
I am not a lawyer and am not LE. I am an outlaw that has been the target of Laws and lawyers.
I wonder why the same treatment does not seem to apply.