I Saw This Coming: NeoCons will vote Democrat

[angelatc]

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In reality, Paul is more of a third party candidate, a Ross Perot redux. While I am not necessarily happy with the direction the Republican Party has taken over the last 10 years, I am far from ready to abandon it. I have an unbroken string of voting for Republican presidential candidates that is unbroken back to Gerald Ford in 1976. In 2008, just about any R will be preferable to any of the D's.

That being said, Ron Paul is the one "major" candidate whose (hypothetical) success would cause me to consider voting for a Democrat in the general election. I suspect a bunch of mainstream Republicans are just like me.

This is why we will need the support of the GOP when we win.

[trispear]

So Neo-cons go back to the party they originate from.

GOOD! GET OUT AND STAY THE HELL OUT!:( Don't hijack my party for your agenda any longer!

(No offense to democrats here. I bet the Neo-Libs must be just as frustrating.)

[lynnf]

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This is why we will need the support of the GOP when we win.

Shows that they are RINOs (Republican In Name Only).

[JosephTheLibertarian]

lol what a piece of garbage. Yeah, at least they'd be voting for the party that came from, originally. He must hate things like cutting size of government, low taxes, and personal liberties.. He needs to get knocked upside his head

[Ron Paul Fan]

More proof that these neo-cons are more like Democrats than true Republicans. A Republican voting for Hillary Clinton over Ron Paul was probably never an actual Republican. I thought Republicans despised the Clintons.

[Korey Kaczynski]

Please.... don't give attention to random, dumbass bloggers.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

why do you think theyre called "red state" theyre really communists lol

[Paulitician]

Many have said this plenty times before. It shows their true colors.

[LibertyBelle]

I smiled when I read that. I can't even imagine. The hard core neocon Republicans I know would never vote for Hillary for example. NEVER. I just don't think that many Republicans would jump ship to vote for Hillary over RP. Not in a million years. She is very much disliked, including in the state of NY.

[itsnobody]

Neo-cons will vote for Hilary because she agrees with the foreign policy

[Cindy]

More proof that these neo-cons are more like Democrats than true Republicans. A Republican voting for Hillary Clinton over Ron Paul was probably never an actual Republican. I thought Republicans despised the Clintons.

Yes, anyone who reads this may start getting suspcious about the two party necon, neolib system, really being just one Neo party, if they arn't already.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

do they ever compromise? lol

[quickmike]

So Neo-cons go back to the party they originate from.

GOOD! GET OUT AND STAY THE HELL OUT!:( Don't hijack my party for your agenda any longer!

(No offense to democrats here. I bet the Neo-Libs must be just as frustrating.)

Im with you 100% on this. Screw the neo-cons. I wouldnt want them supporting Ron Paul and trying to infiltrate his pure message, and "pretending" they support true liberty while the whole time doing everything they can from the inside to corrupt it.

Let them go back to where they came from.

[klamath]

If RP is elected there is no doubt that there will be a major party shift. I will be glad to see that type go to the democrats and welcome the democrats that join us.

[itsnobody]

Actually I just saw this lady on Fox News talking about how Neo-cons will vote for Hiliary because they agree with her on foreign policy

[constituent]

Let them go back to where they came from.

Who, Fredheads? (http://www.fredthompsonforum.com)

[Swmorgan77]

So Neo-cons go back to the party they originate from.

GOOD! GET OUT AND STAY THE HELL OUT!:( Don't hijack my party for your agenda any longer!

(No offense to democrats here. I bet the Neo-Libs must be just as frustrating.)

They already implicitly worship Truman and FDR, why not vote Democrat? It is the party of the welfare-warfare state.

[Givemelibertyor.....]

I can't really see the difference between the Hillary-ites and the neocons. Same product, just different packaging.

Good riddance, neocon scum. If this happens when can start taking the Republican party back.......

[Cindy]

The harder they hit, the bigger they must think you are.

I realized how sensitive Pauls supporters were, when I saw Chris Mathews after the last democrat Debate, just LAY HARD into Hillary non stop. He called himself her death squad for the evening.

Hannity hasn't been anywhere near as hard on Paul like Mathews was on Hillary.

Of course, where we see facts being reported wrong,we should move to get the corrected. When it comes to opinions, we do need to toughen up a lot more now. The hits will be getting harder as the months go on.

[LibertyBelle]

Neo-cons will vote for Hilary because she agrees with the foreign policy

Not the neocons I know. They hate Hillary with a passion, and rightly so. They just won't admit at this time that they've been duped by Bush and Co. With RP against Hillary, they would vote RP. They wouldn't be caught dead voting for Hillary.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

you know.. they always say: Dr. Paul never compromises, yet, do they ever compromise on the war? apparently not LOL

[angelatc]

why do you think theyre called "red state" theyre really communists lol


No joke - the first time I saw that site name, I assumed that's what it was!

[reduen]

One can only pray that this happens!! ;)

I say don't let the door hit ya in the butt as you go! :cool:

[JosephTheLibertarian]

you'd think they would want to change the colors around lol

[angelatc]

Actually I just saw this lady on Fox News talking about how Neo-cons will vote for Hiliary because they agree with her on foreign policy

That's the crux of the matter. The neocons don't want the troops out of Iraq, or out of the middle east, so they're going to vote Democrat.

That's almost a talking point.

[rockfree33]

That statement proves there is only really a one party dictatorship in this country. The best thing that can happen is the neocons going back to the Democrats.

[Man from La Mancha]

This redstate update.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ntii9tK7H5Y

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[fightfortruth]

Everybody should get on this and flood their comments page. It may cange some opinions or point people in the right direction. That is a little naive but you never know.

[LibertyEagle]

Neo-cons will vote for Hilary because she agrees with the foreign policy

Maybe the power brokers would, but not those who have merely bought the neocon snowjob. And that is most of 'em. They wouldn't vote for Hillary, even if Hell froze over.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

these neo cons should be swinging on the trees, the're parasites

[JackLaw]

That's the crux of the matter. The neocons don't want the troops out of Iraq, or out of the middle east, so they're going to vote Democrat.
Do you really believe that would happen?

Just b/c some nutty blogger writes it... well, I think you know.

IMO LibertyBelle is dead on is post #10. Hilary is more despised by establishment GOP'ers than Paul is, by a ways even.

[Lord Xar]

hahahhahahahhhaa............

ONLY globalists and ones WHO SUPPORT THE foreign aid would consider voting for either hillary or obama

NO RESPECTING REPUBLICAN would see Hillary or Obama as a worthy alternative..

Just like Ghouliani or Romney would not make a democrate vote republican.....

hahahhahhahahha

[terlinguatx]

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[LibertyBelle]

Maybe the power brokers would, but not those who have merely bought the neocon snowjob. And that is most of 'em. They wouldn't vote for Hillary, even if Hell froze over.

EXACTLY what I was saying. Snowballs chance in hell.

[steph3n]

Israel is currently the braintrust of the world, they have all they need for the foreseeable future to sustain themselves(along with EVERYONE around them having all they need!)

Israel is a major exporter of knowledge in technology, defense, offense, education, etc. If we were to withdrawn all foreign aid from EVERY country in the region Israel stands to gain the most, for starters than can simply charge more for their knowledge. Capitalism works.

[Akus]

Paul has served ten terms in Congress with no notable achievements.


Hahahaha....

THat half truth really reminds me of some Russian emigrants writing to their relatives in Russia that they got a job at a big international corporation, while mopping floors at McDonalds.

Technically true, but really a big steaming pile of GOVNO.

[RTsquared]

Somebody save me from myself!!!

I made the mistake of posting over on Redstate. Now I feel compelled to comment on every half-truth and logical disconnect espoused by their Neocon base. How do I stop myself?

;)

[jb4ronpaul]

thats the way it should be. democrat party will be the big government party, republican will be get the government out of your life and return to local control. Neocons are really marxists at their core

[terlinguatx]

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[angelatc]

Somebody save me from myself!!!

I made the mistake of posting over on Redstate. Now I feel compelled to comment on every half-truth and logical disconnect espoused by their Neocon base. How do I stop myself?

;)

Head over to the Daily Kos? :)

[njandrewg]

for every neo-con that goes over to vote for Clinton in the general election, 20 pissed off democrats will go over to vote for Ron Paul.

[KingTheoden]

I smiled when I read that. I can't even imagine. The hard core neocon Republicans I know would never vote for Hillary for example. NEVER. I just don't think that many Republicans would jump ship to vote for Hillary over RP. Not in a million years. She is very much disliked, including in the state of NY.

I agree. Once presented with the options of Ron Paul and Hilary, the majority of those under the neocon will NOT jump to Clinton's camp.

Who cares if a few loud mouths say they will vote for Hilary over Ron Paul? As others have pointed out, the original neocons were all Trotskites and then hijacked the Republican Party in the 1980s.

[njandrewg]

I agree. Once presented with the options of Ron Paul and Hilary, the majority of those under the neocon will NOT jump to Clinton's camp.

Who cares if a few loud mouths say they will vote for Hilary over Ron Paul? As others have pointed out, the original neocons were all Trotskites and then hijacked the Republican Party in the 1980s.
yeah its just talk...kinda like before the 04 election...half the country said.."if Bush wins I'm leaving the country"

[steph3n]

Just note, at this point e are best not to expend energy on the DailyKos, in many ways they are like us, and when push comes to shove and they see the nelibs for who they are, they(or some) will join us.

Expending energy debating them now is not going to help them OR us, expend that energy online or offline getting the word out about Ron Paul, but the Kos crowd is not our target right now.

[aksmith]

As an interesting corollary, if Ron Paul does not win the Republican nomination, guess who I'm voting for.


Nobody. I will not vote for the rest of this Republican field.

[Akus]

for every neo-con that goes over to vote for Clinton in the general election, 20 pissed off democrats will go over to vote for Ron Paul.

Best post of the thread

[JosephTheLibertarian]

if rp loses, I'll commit suicide lol good pr? :p

[Ninja Homer]

lol... neocons will have to run third-party and face the short end of the 2 party system they created.

All your party are belong to us!

[EvilTwinkie]

Hilary: Is she really that bad?
Democrats admit: Bush was right all along.
Bush legacy realized, Anti-war americans are traitors. Hilary becomes rational.

[quickmike]

Ill tell ya what, If Ron DOESNT get the nomination, I WILL vote for Hillary, just to send a message to the republican party that they cant continue to prop up these pseudo-conservative BS candidates and expect to win with them.

I cant stand Hillary, but what makes me even more angry is the fact that so many GOPers are doing everything they can to discredit Ron Paul and focusing more negative energy on him than they are the democrats who they are supposed to be against(of course we all know its just one big party), so I say screw em!!! Let Hillary get in office and screw up EVERYTHING. If Ron doesnt win, the sooner we fall into a totally socialist society the better off we will be in the long run because it will wake up so many people that still have blinders on.

Fortunately though, I think Ron has a good chance to win.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I'll vote for no one... I'll just probably get mad and I don't know

[DrNoZone]

Ill tell ya what, If Ron DOESNT get the nomination, I WILL vote for Hillary, just to send a message to the republican party that they cant continue to prop up these pseudo-conservative BS candidates and expect to win with them.

I cant stand Hillary, but what makes me even more angry is the fact that so many GOPers are doing everything they can to discredit Ron Paul and focusing more negative energy on him than they are the democrats who they are supposed to be against(of course we all know its just one big party), so I say screw em!!! Let Hillary get in office and screw up EVERYTHING. If Ron doesnt win, the sooner we fall into a totally socialist society the better off we will be in the long run because it will wake up so many people that still have blinders on.

Fortunately though, I think Ron has a good chance to win.

Yuck...you couldn't pay me enough to vote against my principles just to prove a point! Sorry, but I don't think your protest vote would even get noticed enough to make it worth violating your principles.

[quickmike]

Yuck...you couldn't pay me enough to vote against my principles just to prove a point! Sorry, but I don't think your protest vote would even get noticed enough to make it worth violating your principles.

Maybe so, but when Hillary won I would feel like I did my little part to stick it to the traitors on the Republican side for not standing for what they supposedly believe in.

It would be kind of like the movie Full Metal Jacket when that dumb ass ""private Pyle" guy got caught with a jelly donut in his footlocker and the drill Sgt punished everyone else, but let the guy who did it have his jelly donut and eat it in front of all of them.

[aksmith]

Maybe so, but when Hillary won I would feel like I did my little part to stick it to the traitors on the Republican side for not standing for what they supposedly believe in.


Actually, voting third party or not voting at all is what really scares the two major parties. They want confirmation that we buy into their little game, more than anything. The best strategy is to vote for other offices and leave the presidential line blank. The parties analyze voting patterns and the most horrifying line in the analysis is the voters who actually showed up then didn't pull a lever for either major party for the top of the ticket. Trust me, it keeps them awake at night that people may not be buying into their two party charade.

[quickmike]

Actually, voting third party or not voting at all is what really scares the two major parties. They want confirmation that we buy into their little game, more than anything. The best strategy is to vote for other offices and leave the presidential line blank. The parties analyze voting patterns and the most horrifying line in the analysis is the voters who actually showed up then didn't pull a lever for either major party for the top of the ticket. Trust me, it keeps them awake at night that people may not be buying into their two party charade.

very true

[RTsquared]

Never mind...

"The username RTsquared has not been activated or is blocked."

I should really thank Redstate for giving me my life back.

[quickmike]

Never mind...

"The username RTsquared has not been activated or is blocked."

I should really thank Redstate for giving me my life back.

Its just as well........

You would have better luck opening up your kitchen drawer and talking sense into a soup spoon. Believe me, Ive tried stuff like that in the past in Yahoo Politics chat rooms and they will NEVER see your side. They must see it on their own if theres ever going to be hope for them.

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

Actually, voting third party or not voting at all is what really scares the two major parties.

I disagree. They love people not voting, because it makes the vote that does occur easier to tweak. It's not their system. It's our system. Not voting doesn't mean you don't have to follow the laws the victors then right.

Don't get me wrong. I don't want hordes of uninformed people voting any more than I like seeing informed people taking their marbles and going home. Both are stupid, but one group should know better.

[Hook]

Ill tell ya what, If Ron DOESNT get the nomination, I WILL vote for Hillary, just to send a message to the republican party that they cant continue to prop up these pseudo-conservative BS candidates and expect to win with them.


That's just buying right into their shell game. The same people control both Hillary and Bush. That's the name of the game: make you fight with each other over two CFR owned candidates so you think you have a choice. What you need to do is write RP in if he doesn't get the nomination. If everyone did this, he would get about a half a million write in votes which would be a historical record.

[Original_Intent]

Wow, what a piece of garbage. Stating that he has voted straight 'R' back to Gerald Ford and wearing that as a badge of honor. Does he get a set of steak knives for consistency? People like this don't deserve Ron Paul as their president.

[winston84]

LOL @ hypothetical

I don't think we'll see that happening, they absolutely hate Hillary even though she's just the other side of the ugly globalist coin. The most drastic thing I can see these freedom hating neo-cons do is not vote at all.

[Corydoras]

Stating that he has voted straight 'R' back to Gerald Ford and wearing that as a badge of honor. Does he get a set of steak knives for consistency?

For an older generation, voting the party line signified loyalty to the wisdom of the party and higher principles rather than playing games on the basis of personality. The idea was that in the general election, you nobly voted on the principles of the party platform rather than on celebrity or likability or patronage (jobs promised to supporters) or other such unworthy factors.

There may be younger people who still believe this.

[libertarian4321]

The "red state" guy is blowing smoke.

If you think a Republican is going to vote for HILLARY CLINTON (make no mistake about it, she IS the Democratic nominee) over Ron Paul, I have a bridge to sell you.

The average Republican would probably vote for Satan before voting for Hillary Clinton!

[max]

So Neo-cons go back to the party they originate from.

GOOD! GET OUT AND STAY THE HELL OUT!:( Don't hijack my party for your agenda any longer!




and they should enlist in Iraq too

[austin356]

Lets kick the bastards back to the Democratic party!!

[austin356]

The "red state" guy is blowing smoke.

If you think a Republican is going to vote for HILLARY CLINTON (make no mistake about it, she IS the Democratic nominee) over Ron Paul, I have a bridge to sell you.

The average Republican would probably vote for Satan before voting for Hillary Clinton!



Where have you been over the last 4 month?


4 months ago what you said would be true. But now they have been seriously warming up to Hillary. Imo, at least 10+% of the Republican party would vote for Hillary over Ron Paul in the general. Though thats fine with me since we pick up twice that much!!

[Hook]

Trust me. If Ron wins, the neocon machine will be pushing for Hillary with everything they've got. They will talk about how she is a DINO and is really on their side.

[ButchHowdy]

There's enough articles out there showing how Rupert Murdoch supports Hillary.

But then how does one reconcile the Hannity factor, who works for Murdoch but spends all day reaming Hillary?

Unless; of course, they pick outright buffoons to represent the GOP top tier . . . er . . . uh . . . ugh . . . Houston!?!

[Shellshock1918]

Wow, willing to throw away all of their values for a stupid war. They just can't admit they were wrong.

[aksmith]

I disagree. They love people not voting, because it makes the vote that does occur easier to tweak. It's not their system. It's our system. Not voting doesn't mean you don't have to follow the laws the victors then right.

Don't get me wrong. I don't want hordes of uninformed people voting any more than I like seeing informed people taking their marbles and going home. Both are stupid, but one group should know better.

You can disagree all you want. I've been in the analysis of elections done by the major parties and that is what scares them. Obviously, people will do whatever they want to. Vote. Don't vote. I don't care if RP doesn't win. But the only thing that scares them, even when they win, is the voters who show up and still don't vote for the top of the ticket.