the soviet story

[JosephTheLibertarian]

A very well made docu-drama IMHO!

YouTube - Part 1/9 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdsa5-jKzy4)

"The Soviet Story" is a unique first time documentary film by director Edvins Snore. The film tells the story of the Soviet regime and how the Soviet Union helped Nazi Germany instigate the Holocaust. The film shows recently uncovered archive documents revealing this. Interviews with former Soviet Military intelligence officials reveal shocking details. "The Soviet Story" was filmed over 2 years in Russia, Ukraine, Latvia, Germany, France, UK and Belgium. Material for the documentary was collected by the author, Edvins Snore, for more than 10 years. As a result, "The Soviet Story" presents a truly unique insight into recent Soviet history, told by people, once Soviet citizens, who have first-hand knowledge of it.

[MsDoodahs]

Wow, I was trying to remember the name of this documentary the other day and couldn't.

Thank you so much for posting this!

It is very good but pretty hard to watch...

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

nt

[pinkmandy]

Thank you- I'll watch this soon. :D

A great book, if you enjoy delving into that time period of Russia, is Generations of Winter. (http://www.amazon.com/Generations-Winter-Vassily-Aksyonov/dp/0679761829/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253546465&sr=8-1) It is fiction but based on the lives of the author's family- he was exiled himself. He was (still is?) a prof at GMU and I've heard him lecture on Russian history- he can weave an amazing story.

[Matt Collins]

Thanks for telling me about this. I have added it to my NetFlix queue

[ClayTrainor]

this looks very interesting, i'm definitely adding this link to my "must watch" list.

[purplechoe]

thanks for the up, will watch it later

[NoMoreFed]

24 million Russians died destroying 80% of the Nazi war machine that was deployed on the Eastern Front. They were the first to reach some of the concentration camps and help the victims. I find the comment "how the Soviet Union helped Nazi Germany instigate the Holocaust" to be dubious.

Seriously, what is up with the Russia-related propaganda on these forums lately?

[Flash]

24 million Russians died destroying 80% of the Nazi war machine that was deployed on the Eastern Front. They were the first to reach some of the concentration camps and help the victims.

Most of the Soviets exaggerated the concentration camp stories to further demonize Germany and make their case against ethnic Europeans (Hungarians, Germans, Polish, etc..) seem more righteous. This can be seen in the Nazi shrunken head & human skin lampshades stories that arose right after WW2 came to an end. I fail to see how 'Russians' (Soviets) did anything righteous fighting Nazi Germany, all it did was expand the brutual Socialist empire. Either Germans would invade the USSR first or Soviets would've surprised attack. Hitler was paranoid of spending too much time in the Western front and turning a blind eye to the USSR. With that said the two forces sure did balance each other out, and having one side finally defeat the other would be quite frightening. So I'm not sure what the non-interventionalist position is on that.

It should be noted shortly after World War 2, the Soviets starved 7 million Ukrainians in another holocaust that goes largely unforgotten. More proof Socialist nations can't work in a society.


I'm a fan of modern day Russia, it's not perfect but Putin seems to be implementing some Capitalist values in the system. Which is pretty good considering it was once the beacon for international Socialism. Hell, Putin warned America directly about Socialism recently! Anyone with a brain should see how Socialism has ruined Russia & Germany, I have no idea why there's some here supporting it now.

[NoMoreFed]

You are right -- there is nothing righteous about the wholesale slaughter of millions of people.

[Kotin]

hey joe!

[Flash]

You are right -- there is nothing righteous about the wholesale slaughter of millions of people.

It's a shame because-- I don't know the true Non-Interventionalist position on the issue. On one hand we intervene and help the Soviets & British out. But then in return East Europe is given to the USSR. And if we didn't assist the Soviets then the Nazis would've easily taken over Russia, giving them unlimited men & supplies.

[purplechoe]

:rolleyes:
24 million Russians died destroying 80% of the Nazi war machine that was deployed on the Eastern Front. They were the first to reach some of the concentration camps and help the victims. I find the comment "how the Soviet Union helped Nazi Germany instigate the Holocaust" to be dubious.

Seriously, what is up with the Russia-related propaganda on these forums lately?

Maybe you just don't undestand the fact the the Jews are behind communism. Who do you think was behind the Bolshevik revolution? Who do you think the proletariot was made up of? 22 people, 18 of which just happen to be Jewish? Why do you think that the Jews overwhelmengly vote for the democrats/ socialist in the US. Isreal is a socialist country. Is being Jewish a religion, or a race of people? The way the describe themselves it's almost like a race of people, which it is not.

Anti-sematic? The Jews living in Isreal today are anti-sematic. The be a semite, means that you are originally a native of Palastine/ todays Isreal. Most of the Jews living in Isreal today are Europeans who happen to practice Jewsih religion, but then again most of them are secular (they don't belleive in God/ religion) and since most of the Jews living in Isreal today don't pracatice Judaism what does exactly makes them Jews? If I say my mother was Christian/ Muslim/ Buddist, does that make me one. If I reject Jesus I can't be a Christian, but as a Jew if I reject Moses/ Abraham, I can still call myself a Jew?

I can go on and on about the subject. And before you start calling be a "Hitler", my grandfather was in a concentration camp in WWII and my family hid Jews during WWII in the attick of the house I grew up in in Poland.

[purplechoe]

Oh, the Soviets killed way more people than Hitler ever did, so why is he the worst guy of the last century and not the Soviets?

[Matt Collins]

With that said the two forces sure did balance each other out, and having one side finally defeat the other would be quite frightening. So I'm not sure what the non-interventionalist position is on that.Simple, don't get involved.

Read Ron Paul's book "The Revolution: A Manifesto" and you'll see.


Basically if our government had not involved itself in WWI then post-war Germany probably would not have been screwed by France etc. That gave Hitler a platform to rise to power. It's quite possible that if the US government had NOT entered WWI there would have been no WWII.

[LibForestPaul]

History or prophecy of what is to come...

[TGGRV]

Most of the Soviets exaggerated the concentration camp stories to further demonize Germany and make their case against ethnic Europeans (Hungarians, Germans, Polish, etc..) seem more righteous. This can be seen in the Nazi shrunken head & human skin lampshades stories that arose right after WW2 came to an end. I fail to see how 'Russians' (Soviets) did anything righteous fighting Nazi Germany, all it did was expand the brutual Socialist empire. Either Germans would invade the USSR first or Soviets would've surprised attack. Hitler was paranoid of spending too much time in the Western front and turning a blind eye to the USSR. With that said the two forces sure did balance each other out, and having one side finally defeat the other would be quite frightening. So I'm not sure what the non-interventionalist position is on that.

It should be noted shortly after World War 2, the Soviets starved 7 million Ukrainians in another holocaust that goes largely unforgotten. More proof Socialist nations can't work in a society.


I'm a fan of modern day Russia, it's not perfect but Putin seems to be implementing some Capitalist values in the system. Which is pretty good considering it was once the beacon for international Socialism. Hell, Putin warned America directly about Socialism recently! Anyone with a brain should see how Socialism has ruined Russia & Germany, I have no idea why there's some here supporting it now.Not many people know about the Ukrainian problem. The killings based on ethnic or religious reasons in the USSR continued long after that though.

[NoMoreFed]

Not many people know about the Ukrainian problem. The killings based on ethnic or religious reasons in the USSR continued long after that though.

Yes something like 8 million died by starvation from 1932-33: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

Level of "bad" is kind of similar to the Holocaust. I don't know why they don't make movies about it. It is not just little-known in the U.S. but also not talked (or taught) about in Russia.

[cyberrate]

How can you, people take something like this seriously? The "Worker and Farmer" statue on the hill of bodies? Documentary should not be one-sided. Come on, it's propaganda! This is exactly what NWO want's us to think, so we start to think that we need to send troops to "help those poor people."





A very well made docu-drama IMHO!

YouTube - Part 1/9 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdsa5-jKzy4)

"The Soviet Story" is a unique first time documentary film by director Edvins Snore. The film tells the story of the Soviet regime and how the Soviet Union helped Nazi Germany instigate the Holocaust. The film shows recently uncovered archive documents revealing this. Interviews with former Soviet Military intelligence officials reveal shocking details. "The Soviet Story" was filmed over 2 years in Russia, Ukraine, Latvia, Germany, France, UK and Belgium. Material for the documentary was collected by the author, Edvins Snore, for more than 10 years. As a result, "The Soviet Story" presents a truly unique insight into recent Soviet history, told by people, once Soviet citizens, who have first-hand knowledge of it.