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freethinker1818
09-20-2009, 09:31 AM
What is left-libertarianism?

Left-libertarianism is an umbrella label for mutualists, agorists, voluntaryists, geolibertarians, left-Rothbardians, green libertarians, dialectical anarchists, radical minarchists, and others on the libertarian left, united by an opposition to statism and militarism, to cultural intolerance (including sexism, racism, and homophobia), and to the prevailing corporatist capitalism falsely called a free market. There is also an emphasis on education, direct action, and building alternative institutions, rather than on electoral politics, as the chief strategy for achieving liberation.



Why is left-libertarianism “left”?

Many libertarians on one side and social liberals on the other ask this question. Generally, both conflate leftism with an increase in state control and regulation, with libertarians obviously opposing this and social liberals supporting it, leading both to deny that libertarians can be “leftist”.

We think that this is a confusion between leftist ends and what means are used to achieve that goal. The ends of leftism or liberalism, peace, prosperity, progress, and freedom, don’t have any necessary relation to the means that are usually called “leftist” today; legislation, regulation, and the buearacratic state. In fact, In “Left and Right: The Prospects for Liberty”, Murray Rothbard writes that those means are inherently conservative, and that state-socialists (and their milder social democrat and social liberal cousins) are a confused, middle-of-the-road group, trying to use conservative means to acheive leftist ends. So it is then the libertarian who has the greater claim to the term “left”!

Someone please enlighten me as to why anyone would want to associate themselves with militarism, homophobia, racism, sexism, cultural intolerance, and ineffective tactics such as electoral poltics?

I'm waiting...

LibertyEagle
09-20-2009, 09:43 AM
http://209.85.48.9/2349/52/emo/bye2.gif

Conza88
09-20-2009, 09:45 AM
I'm waiting for you to provide a left version of the NAP and a right version of the NAP.

No such thing... false left / right fail.

Conza88
09-20-2009, 09:46 AM
http://209.85.48.9/2349/52/emo/bye2.gif


http://www.sovereignguild.org/gallery/d/1533-3/rolleyes_huge.gif

AutoDas
09-20-2009, 09:47 AM
So left-libertarians are tolerant of everybody except what you don't like about them?

There is no "right wing libertarianism". I've only heard left-libertarians (read, anarcho-syndicalist/communist) spew that bullshit term because they believe in a left-right paradigm.

LibertyEagle
09-20-2009, 09:47 AM
Conza,

Perhaps you should go review his posting history, before you put your other foot in your mouth.

eOs
09-20-2009, 10:51 AM
I am so happy this guy got banned. He didn't have the strength to pull any more layers of the onion back so he was stuck in some sort of time-space continuum involving militarists and homosexuals

YumYum
09-20-2009, 11:16 AM
: "Someone please enlighten me as to why anyone would want to associate themselves with militarism, homophobia, racism, sexism, cultural intolerance, and ineffective tactics such as electoral poltics?"

Are you serious? Because I love my church.:D In all seriousness, I am a leftist, not a liberal. There is a difference. I love leftists; can't gag liberals.

james1906
09-20-2009, 11:26 AM
I am so happy this guy got banned. He didn't have the strength to pull any more layers of the onion back so he was stuck in some sort of time-space continuum involving militarists and homosexuals

Tequila will do that to you.

brandon
09-20-2009, 11:47 AM
All this bickering over political labels is absurd. Either you oppose the state or you support the state.

Original_Intent
09-20-2009, 11:53 AM
http://209.85.48.9/2349/52/emo/bye2.gif

Saw this coming from his first post. Mods showed a lot of restraint for him to last this long.

RM918
09-20-2009, 12:08 PM
I'd have honestly like to engage him in serious debate, with how obviously wrong and completely unbased his beliefs were.

Ozwest
09-20-2009, 12:39 PM
Mmmm...

I reckon my penis decides these things for me. Strange happenings...

No politician or preacher has influenced me.

Can I f**k my girlfriend now?

Is it ok with you?

KCIndy
09-20-2009, 12:39 PM
:confused:I'm still confused...:confused:

As a libertarian myself, I thought that the entire point of libertarianism was to go beyond (or above, if that doesn't sound too elitist) the entire left/right political paradigm. Where in the world is all this left/right fussing coming from??

Ozwest
09-20-2009, 12:43 PM
It seems obvious to me.

As long as you are not breaking the law and infringing upon your neighbor, you should be able to do as yo wish.

YumYum
09-20-2009, 01:32 PM
Mmmm...

I reckon my penis decides these things for me. Strange happenings...

No politician or preacher has influenced me.

Can I f**k my girlfriend now?

Is it ok with you?

hehe

talkingpointes
09-20-2009, 01:40 PM
Someone please enlighten me as to why anyone would want to associate themselves with militarism, homophobia, racism, sexism, cultural intolerance, and ineffective tactics such as electoral poltics?

I'm waiting...

I just looked through his history and this guy is a bonafide prick. He seems to really believe in the left/right bullstuff. Good riddance! :p

Vessol
09-20-2009, 01:46 PM
I just looked through his history and this guy is a bonafide prick. He seems to really believe in the left/right bullstuff. Good riddance! :p

He's a troll. That's all he is.

disorderlyvision
09-20-2009, 02:30 PM
Elected Libertarian leads repeal of anti-homosexual law in Missouri

From Doug Burlison, Libertarian city councilmember in Springfield, Missouri:

On September 8, at my urging, our City Council (of which I am a member)
repealed a local ordinance that prohibited homosexuals from "soliciting" each
other. In other words, it was O.K. to put the "heterosexual moves" on a member
of the opposite sex, but if you're gay, any talk about sex could've invited
punitive measures...until now.

The measure was added to some other items which were repealed as a package, it
was basically a legal "housekeeping" ordinance. It was a unanimous vote by all
councilmembers in attendance.

Afterwards, it seemed to be a rather subdued reaction. This issue was not of
the highest profile, whereas we are intently working on solving the underfunded
status of our Police and Fire Pension System. Building up to the vote, however,
we received quite a few e-mail messages pro and con. The quantity of the "pro"
messages exceeded both the quantity and the civility levels of the "con"
messages, which included threats of lawsuits and future electoral failure.
Speaking for myself only, I can tell you when someone issues a threat to me, I
will not respond the way that they desire. I did receive a few congratulatory
e-mails and expressions of gratitude, which helps to defray the numerous
complaints that you hear in a job like this (which is an unpaid, volunteer
position, by the way).

This would not have been addressed if I had not initially pushed the issue. My
awareness of this ordinance came about at a local Pridefest earlier this year,
when I accompanied local Libertarians who manned a booth at the event. Across
the street, several neo-nazis and white supremacists were protesting the event,
with some signage that recommended death and hell for gays. At one point, a
local pastor, Dr. Roger Ray, took the stage and made a speech which highlighted
and condemned the homosexual solicitation ordinance that we still had in our
city code. To hear a man of the cloth reading a portion of our city law that
targeted a specific population, and that the exact language of the law was very
pornographic in tone, coupled with the sounds of fascist protests in the
background; I knew what needed to be done. Dr. Ray even handed me his copy of
the ordinance so that I could reference it. This was a great opportunity for
me, in that a large part of my motivation for getting into politics was and is
to fight against oppression wherever it raises its ugly head. My libertarian
background also equipped me for this particular fight as well. In the end, I
also had the support of my colleagues on the council, as was evidenced by the
final vote. Sometimes, things do work out all right.

_______________________________________________
Missouri Libertarian Party: http://lpmo.org/
Help the Missouri LP: http://lpmo.org/volunteer.shtml
Donate to the Missouri LP: http://lpmo.org/donate.shtml

Conza88
09-20-2009, 08:54 PM
Conza,

Perhaps you should go review his posting history, before you put your other foot in your mouth.

Let me know when your foot is removed from your own, aye.

JeNNiF00F00
09-20-2009, 09:06 PM
: "Someone please enlighten me as to why anyone would want to associate themselves with militarism, homophobia, racism, sexism, cultural intolerance, and ineffective tactics such as electoral poltics?"

Are you serious? Because I love my church.:D In all seriousness, I am a leftist, not a liberal. There is a difference. I love leftists; can't gag liberals.

YouTube - Glenn Beck Gov Scale (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPARxEVv7lU) :rolleyes:

Vessol
09-20-2009, 09:10 PM
Glenn Beck must have never heard of the Alien and Sedition Acts.

tonesforjonesbones
09-20-2009, 09:15 PM
What does that have to do with anything? He's talking about the scope of government and you say this? what the hell? TONES

That was a good video by the way.tones

RedStripe
09-20-2009, 09:17 PM
There are a lot of different libertarian ideologies. Right-libertarianism, to me, includes libertarians who are culturally conservative, constitutionalists, objectivists, and people who like to apologize for big business and the rich under the pretense of defending free market economics.

I'm too interested in ideas to simply ignore the differences of opinion on these issues. A left-libertarian generally anticipates and desires a more egalitarian, socially tolerate, and environmentally sustainable society (much like the Green party) emerge from the destruction of the state. For example - big corporations, CEOs, large-scale infrastructure, and many other things are merely products of the state that would not exist in a truly free and radically different society.

Spot the Fed
09-20-2009, 11:33 PM
LE, you could ban Conza too and I wouldnt complain.