If you're drafted will you go?

[YumYum]

Ron Paul is worried about the draft being reinstated. For those of you who are too old for the draft, how would you feel about your sons and daughters being drafted? Would you flee the country?

[Austin]

Absolutely not, and I would actively protest it as well.

[RedStripe]

Hell no.

[YumYum]

Absolutely not, and I would actively protest it as well.

Wrangler has a draft bill that would put draft dodgers in prison for life if the draft is reinstated. Are you willing to go to prison for life?

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

I would fight if we were being invaded, but not to just rape and pillage another small nation.

[LibertyEagle]

YumYum, in your short time here, you have posted some provocative things. At this moment, I am wondering if you are either a provocateur, or someone who is here to just information-gather.

I suggest that you stay away from the more controversial subjects until we get to know you better.

[Spot the Fed]

I would defend this nation if required, as would my kid, but I wont let her be drafted for a foreign war. No way, no how.

[YumYum]

YumYum, in your short time here, you have posted some provocative things. At this moment, I am wondering if you are either a provocateur, or someone who is here to just information-gather.

I appreciate your concern, but I don't view this forum to be a daycare center. The issues that I bring up are great concerns to me. I am a college student and I'm 21 years old and I have every reason to worry about the draft; especially given the posts on this forum claiming that Israel is going to bomb Iran. If they do, according to my Jewish professor, who teaches Journalism, there will be a draft (He is against bombing Iran).

[LibertyEagle]

I appreciate your concern, but I don't view this forum to be a daycare center. The issues that I bring up are great concerns to me. I am a college student and I'm 21 years old and I have every reason to worry about the draft; especially given the posts on this forum claiming that Israel is going to bomb Iran. If they do, according to my Jewish professor, who teaches Journalism, there will be a draft (He is against bombing Iran).

Then proclaim your own position, but cut out the information gathering until we get to know you better.

[Mini-Me]

If a foreign army ever dared invade our soil on foot, then I'd go...although I'd prefer just joining a small band of roving terrors. ;) If we were legitimately attacked by a foreign nation without provocation, and such attacks would continue until they were stopped at their source, then I'd go...but I'd still resent the very idea of the draft. That said, I'm getting old enough that I wouldn't be at the top of the draft list anyway.

However, I absolutely refuse to fight in the senseless wars of politicians. I'm not going to go over to some third world country and kill 18-year-old kids because the military-industrial complex craves blood and money. If we're the aggressor in any way, shape, or form, or if the war is in any way unnecessary or unjust, I will be a consciencious objector. If the military refuses to afford me that status on grounds that I have "no standing" to differentiate a just war from an unjust war, they're going to have to jail me, because I will NOT go.

As far as Wrangler's (Rangel's?) bill is concerned: Imprisoning draft dodgers for LIFE is an extremely foolish thing for a tyrant to do. That's going to create a lot of unusually intelligent inmates or potential inmates with nothing left to lose.

Even if YumYum is data mining, I'm not really concerned. After all, if I ever get drafted, I'm going to have to say the above to someone's face anyway. ...and if the government is wanting to preemptively put people on "the list," I don't really see why this post is any more radical than my other couple thousand. ;)

[Austin]

Wrangler has a draft bill that would put draft dodgers in prison for life if the draft is reinstated. Are you willing to go to prison for life?

I won't be going to prison, either....

[surf]

i'm too old. but i'd raise hell and try to stop it.

[YumYum]

I suggest that you stay away from the more controversial subjects until we get to know you better.

What the hell do you mean? What is this? Some kind of club? Is everybody here a Jacobin? I don't know about you, but I am here to talk about things that are on topic.

[Bruno]

What the hell do you mean? What is this? Some kind of club? Is everybody here a Jacobin?

http://i25.tinypic.com/fmpa9t.jpg

:p

[pinkmandy]

I'm sure a lot of RP supporters have access to land. You could just...go camping. For awhile. The Appalachian Trail takes a year to hike!

;)

[LibertyEagle]

What the hell do you mean? What is this? Some kind of club? Is everybody here a Jacobin? I don't know about you, but I am here to talk about things that are on topic.

Your first post was to start a thread about an anti-semitism bill. Then, you went on to this: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=2321964#post2321964
And now, you start a thread such as the one we are in now.

What I am telling you, is that it is a little suspect. Keep in mind, that as a new forum member that we do not know you and our experience has been that most new people who start out this way oftentimes are trolls or provocateurs.

So, I'm just suggesting that you spend a little time letting us get to know you, before you initiate polls or post anything that is incendiary in any way.

You are very welcome here, but we also want to watch out for our community and the forum owner's private property.

[YumYum]

Then proclaim your own position, but cut out the information gathering until we get to know you better.

What are you talking about? I stood in front of the Federal Reserve building in Nashville for the "End the Fed" protest. I approached fellow voters in the hot sun, in the Wal-Mart parking lot, to sign petitions regarding H.R. 1207, that was given to Bart Gordon, my congressman. I've paid my dues.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

the draft question has been asked a million times, i don't see how this time is any different

[LibertyEagle]

the draft question has been asked a million times, i don't see how this time is any different

He's a new forum member, for one. I have already explained the other up above.

[Mini-Me]

Your first post was to start a thread about an anti-semitism bill. Then, you went on to this: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=2321964#post2321964
And now, you start a thread such as the one we are in now.

What I am telling you, is that it is a little suspect. Keep in mind, that as a new forum member that we do not know you and our experience has been that most new people who start out this way oftentimes are trolls or provocateurs.

So, I'm just suggesting that you spend a little time letting us get to know you, before you initiate polls or post anything that is incendiary in any way.

You are very welcome here, but we also want to watch out for our community and the forum owner's private property.

LE, I agree with your general point, but I think you're reaching a bit with YumYum...I don't really see anything wrong with any of his threads, even though the metaphorical title of his second may have turned a few heads. I'm not seeing anything encouraging violence or anything though, and as far as data mining goes, it's not like he's encouraging anyone to say anything they haven't already said. Now, Liberty Jihad was a different story. ;)

[YumYum]

the draft question has been asked a million times, i don't see how this time is any different

I'm new here and I wonder how members of C4L and Libertarians will handle some of the undesirable events that will most likely befall us all. We talk about conspiracies, government cover-ups, and bills in congress, but we never discuss a reasonable plan as to how we will help each other when the shit hits the fan. I hope I am among friends, and that I am participating in the right forum.

[Dr.3D]

I'm new here and I wonder how members of C4L and Libertarians will handle some of the undesirable events that will most likely befall us all. We talk about conspiracies, government cover-ups, and bills in congress, but we never discuss a reasonable plan as to how we will help each other when the shit hits the fan. I hope I am among friends, and that I am participating in the right forum.

Here, these two threads might help.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=179906
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=207161
:)

[lx43]

YumYum--Thanks for efforts in promoting freedom.

[TastyWheat]

I assume I'm too old, 28, so that's a relief, and I don't have children either. If I was of age or did have young children I definitely would consider leaving the country if the draft seemed to be here to stay. A draft at this point in time would be political suicide. We'd have to enter into a much bigger war to actually warrant a draft. Iran seems the most likely candidate at this point.

[YumYum]

You are very welcome here, but we also want to watch out for our community and the forum owner's private property.

Thank you, I appreciate your concern, but I can guarantee you I am no threat to this forum or the cause. I would also like to say that when Ron Paul was running for the GOP nomination, I donated my food money to his campaign (I am a college student), and labored tirelessly to help him get nominated.

[revolutionisnow]

Maybe its time to start a No more wars for Israel marketing campaign targeted at high schools.

[LibertyEagle]

Thank you, I appreciate your concern, but I can guarantee you I am no threat to this forum or the cause. I would also like to say that when Ron Paul was running for the GOP nomination, I donated my food money to his campaign (I am a college student), and labored tirelessly to help him get nominated.

And we are very glad to have you here, YumYum. :) Maybe I'm being too careful.

Hang in there, it doesn't take long for us to get to know you just a little better.

[pcosmar]

Will I go where?
To an office to be "selected"?
To a camp to be trained?

I am too old, but these were the first questions that came to mind.
I think I would just NOT.

[youngbuck]

Heck no I won't go if I'm drafted. If I thought it was important enough to go fight in some other country, I'd sign up voluntarily before a draft was instated. The likelihood of me thinking it's necessary enough is almost nil. If we were invaded, that's a different story.

[tremendoustie]

Ron Paul is worried about the draft being reinstated. For those of you who are too old for the draft, how would you feel about your sons and daughters being drafted? Would you flee the country?

Yes, I would flee the country. And if I could not free the country, I would go to jail.

[tremendoustie]

Then proclaim your own position, but cut out the information gathering until we get to know you better.

C'mon, anyone can read our opinions on here anytime, they don't need an account. We've got nothing to fear. If someone wants to mudsling, they'd have no problem finding a way to do it anyway.

Of course, common sense should be used, but I find it's better just to trust people and deal with the problems of occasionally trusting the wrong person, than not trust people and deal with the missed opportunities and problems caused by being untrusting. There's little to no damage someone could do by asking a few questions, that they could not do anyway.

For every one sneaky person trying to "dig up opposition intel" there are about five loud trolls and a hundred sincere people. I think it's just better to assume people are sincere.

[rrcamp]

I think it's difficult to answer this question without knowing more details. As many have pointed out, we'd be more inclined to be drafted if there was an attack on US soil threatening our homes and families. On the other extreme, I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone here willing to be drafted into a war of imperialism.

[Objectivist]

I'd have to ask the OP why the draft would be instated before making a judgement on what I'd do. If Mexico plans an invasion, give me my M40 and I'm in the game. If it's to invade some other land for no damn reason then probably not.

Dems are notorious for using the Draft, nobody trusts them either.

[Objectivist]

I appreciate your concern, but I don't view this forum to be a daycare center. The issues that I bring up are great concerns to me. I am a college student and I'm 21 years old and I have every reason to worry about the draft; especially given the posts on this forum claiming that Israel is going to bomb Iran. If they do, according to my Jewish professor, who teaches Journalism, there will be a draft (He is against bombing Iran).

How does he feel about Iran nuking Tel Aviv?

[RM918]

It'd be the perfect time to get the hell out of here, although I'd prefer to do so before that happens. I'd absolutely join up to actually defend this country, but not at the behest of our own tyrants' pet projects.

[Bucjason]

I would fight in a war alright....a Civil War against the Kremlin on the Potomac.

[kahless]

I think it's difficult to answer this question without knowing more details. As many have pointed out, we'd be more inclined to be drafted if there was an attack on US soil threatening our homes and families. On the other extreme, I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone here willing to be drafted into a war of imperialism.

This^^

If they make the decision not to serve in a war of imperilism I would help in anyway I could to get them out of serving. If that means going so far as to work successionist groups then so be it.

[Freedom 4 all]

Canada's cold and socialist but it's always been a good place to hide out.

[Pericles]

To the OP: As you are 21, I'll cut you some slack for not realizing that he has introduced legislation to resume the draft in every session of Congress for the last 20 years, and it has gone nowhere, just as it will this time.

Advice from my Army days (usually attributed to Colin Powell, but he was not the originator): The situation is neither as bad or as good as first reports would indicate.

[johnrocks]

I would pay to have my kid or my Nephew go to Canada first!

[YumYum]

How does he feel about Iran nuking Tel Aviv?


I assume you mean my professor. He never mentions Iran nuking Israel, and to be honest, I don't know why. I like my professor. He has shown our class films on anti-Semitism; as he has a great concern that it is sweeping this country due to the Internet. He has close contacts in the government and he told us that the government allows, "hate speech" because they are filling a database in a secret program known as "Know Thy Enemy". Our government sponsors this program and the database is being filled by Jewish organizations that are monitoring the net. Have you ever noticed how Jewish people refrain from arguing with anti-Semitic people on the Internet on non-Jewish discussion boards? There are some, who defend themselves, but it is nothing like it was before the government began this program, we were told. This man is respected at the University and would not give false information. He told us that a friend of his in the Pentagon confirmed that we are going to war with Iran, and that the draft will be reinstated. Gas will go to $15 a gallon, he said, and told my class of 150 students: "some of you in here will come home in body bags." It scared the shit out of the whole class! He is not a Zionist, but he supports Israel's right to exist in security and wants to see a peace agreement between the Palestinians and Israel. He likes Link TV and “Democracy Now!” with Amy Goodman. He is one of my favorite professors.

[jmdrake]

Ron Paul is worried about the draft being reinstated. For those of you who are too old for the draft, how would you feel about your sons and daughters being drafted? Would you flee the country?

I'm to old to be drafted and right now my sons are too young. That's incentive for me to fix that broken nation before they reach the age. That's all I'm going to say because I have no desire to reveal strategy to big brother.

[familydog]

Ron Paul is worried about the draft being reinstated. For those of you who are too old for the draft, how would you feel about your sons and daughters being drafted? Would you flee the country?

No one will be too old for the next draft.

[jmdrake]

What are you talking about? I stood in front of the Federal Reserve building in Nashville for the "End the Fed" protest. I approached fellow voters in the hot sun, in the Wal-Mart parking lot, to sign petitions regarding H.R. 1207, that was given to Bart Gordon, my congressman. I've paid my dues.

Good for you! I'm in Nashville. I missed that particular protest but I've been working hard in this movement since the Ron Paul campaign first took off. If you're looking for other ways to be active shoot me a PM.

Meantime, realize this. I use my real name on this forum for a reason. I've seen IPs traced enough times to realize that it's always possible to find out who you are over the net. (And it wasn't the FBI doing the tracing. Just some halfway decent geek.) While I might say things that could ruin my "political viability", I try to avoid saying stuff that could quickly get me sent to the slammer if the stuff hit the fan. The best way to deal with coming government tyranny is to work your butt off now (I'm glad you already are) in order to avoid it. The second best thing is to start meeting sensible knowledgeable people that you can trust if stuff really gets bad. But things like that are better done offline. Go to meetups. Network at Tea Parties and End the Fed rallies. People can talk more freely under those conditions.

[2young2vote]

It depends on how many other people are doing it and how against the war I am. Also, if there is a good chance of me dying then i wouldn't go.

[Objectivist]

I assume you mean my professor. He never mentions Iran nuking Israel, and to be honest, I don't know why. I like my professor. He has shown our class films on anti-Semitism; as he has a great concern that it is sweeping this country due to the Internet. He has close contacts in the government and he told us that the government allows, "hate speech" because they are filling a database in a secret program known as "Know Thy Enemy". Our government sponsors this program and the database is being filled by Jewish organizations that are monitoring the net. Have you ever noticed how Jewish people refrain from arguing with anti-Semitic people on the Internet on non-Jewish discussion boards? There are some, who defend themselves, but it is nothing like it was before the government began this program, we were told. This man is respected at the University and would not give false information. He told us that a friend of his in the Pentagon confirmed that we are going to war with Iran, and that the draft will be reinstated. Gas will go to $15 a gallon, he said, and told my class of 150 students: "some of you in here will come home in body bags." It scared the shit out of the whole class! He is not a Zionist, but he supports Israel's right to exist in security and wants to see a peace agreement between the Palestinians and Israel. He likes Link TV and “Democracy Now!” with Amy Goodman. He is one of my favorite professors.

"Have you ever noticed how Jewish people refrain from arguing with anti-Semitic people on the Internet on non-Jewish discussion boards?"

Why would they want to beat their head into a brick wall? You can't argue with stupid!

[libertarian4321]

I cleverly avoided the draft by volunteering.

[Dr.3D]

I cleverly avoided the draft by volunteering.

LOL, so did I.
While I was in the service, I received a letter from the draft board that they were upset I had not shown up for my physical. I sent them back a letter with my service number written in it.

[tremendoustie]

LOL, so did I.
While I was in the service, I received a letter from the draft board that they were upset I had not shown up for my physical. I sent them back a letter with my service number written in it.

Are you both talking about 'nam?

[Dr.3D]

Are you both talking about 'nam?

I don't know about the other poster, but I was talking about the Vietnam 'conflict'.

[dannno]

I assume you mean my professor. He never mentions Iran nuking Israel, and to be honest, I don't know why. I like my professor. He has shown our class films on anti-Semitism; as he has a great concern that it is sweeping this country due to the Internet. He has close contacts in the government and he told us that the government allows, "hate speech" because they are filling a database in a secret program known as "Know Thy Enemy". Our government sponsors this program and the database is being filled by Jewish organizations that are monitoring the net. Have you ever noticed how Jewish people refrain from arguing with anti-Semitic people on the Internet on non-Jewish discussion boards? There are some, who defend themselves, but it is nothing like it was before the government began this program, we were told. This man is respected at the University and would not give false information. He told us that a friend of his in the Pentagon confirmed that we are going to war with Iran, and that the draft will be reinstated. Gas will go to $15 a gallon, he said, and told my class of 150 students: "some of you in here will come home in body bags." It scared the shit out of the whole class! He is not a Zionist, but he supports Israel's right to exist in security and wants to see a peace agreement between the Palestinians and Israel. He likes Link TV and “Democracy Now!” with Amy Goodman. He is one of my favorite professors.


What exactly are the plans that they have for people in this database?

Is disagreeing with Israeli policies against Palestine anti-semetic? Is believing that Mossad participated in 9/11 anti-semetic?

[Njon]

The only 'draft' I know of that is constitutional is to be drafted into the state militia: an institution which no longer exists (although it should).

[ForLiberty-RonPaul]

I assume you mean my professor. He never mentions Iran nuking Israel, and to be honest, I don't know why. I like my professor. He has shown our class films on anti-Semitism; as he has a great concern that it is sweeping this country due to the Internet. He has close contacts in the government and he told us that the government allows, "hate speech" because they are filling a database in a secret program known as "Know Thy Enemy". Our government sponsors this program and the database is being filled by Jewish organizations that are monitoring the net. Have you ever noticed how Jewish people refrain from arguing with anti-Semitic people on the Internet on non-Jewish discussion boards? There are some, who defend themselves, but it is nothing like it was before the government began this program, we were told. This man is respected at the University and would not give false information. He told us that a friend of his in the Pentagon confirmed that we are going to war with Iran, and that the draft will be reinstated. Gas will go to $15 a gallon, he said, and told my class of 150 students: "some of you in here will come home in body bags." It scared the shit out of the whole class! He is not a Zionist, but he supports Israel's right to exist in security and wants to see a peace agreement between the Palestinians and Israel. He likes Link TV and “Democracy Now!” with Amy Goodman. He is one of my favorite professors.



tip: over-zealousness and fear mongering are the bane of freedom (even when they come from someone you trust) - regardless of information accuracy

next time he goes off, ask him "What should we do about it?"

[tremendoustie]

I don't know about the other poster, but I was talking about the Vietnam 'conflict'.

Ah yes, I believe the legal term is now 'kerfuffle'.

[Vessol]

I assume I'm too old, 28, so that's a relief, and I don't have children either. If I was of age or did have young children I definitely would consider leaving the country if the draft seemed to be here to stay. A draft at this point in time would be political suicide. We'd have to enter into a much bigger war to actually warrant a draft. Iran seems the most likely candidate at this point.

If I remember right, 42 is the cut-off age for Selective Service. So, sorry to say it, but you're not close to being "too old" for the draft.

[Dr.3D]

If I remember right, 42 is the cut-off age for Selective Service. So, sorry to say it, but you're not close to being "too old" for the draft.

Well, those who are 18 through 25 are supposed to register.

If you are a man ages 18 through 25 and living in the U.S., then you must register with Selective Service.

http://www.sss.gov/

[YumYum]

What exactly are the plans that they have for people in this database?

Is disagreeing with Israeli policies against Palestine anti-semetic? Is believing that Mossad participated in 9/11 anti-semetic?

He never said what would happen to people in the database. He did say that the government was under pressure from Jewish groups to outlaw anti-Semitism on the Internet, but opted instead for a monitoring system to be funded by the government and managed by Jewish groups.

He never said disagreeing with Israel was anti-Semitic, but I do think he would want proof that Mossad participated in 9/11. His focus on anti-Semitism was on extremist groups; neo-nazis, the KKK. I think he would be ok with the discussions we have here. He is against hate; he was civil rights activist who marched with Dr. King. He is in the middle somewhere between Alan Dershowitz and Norman Finkelstein.

[Scofield]

No.

[Scofield]

Then proclaim your own position, but cut out the information gathering until we get to know you better.

Paranoid much?

[Matthew Zak]

I'm 27. I'm the last male in my lineage, and I have no children. My lower back gives me a lot of problems.

Could I be drafted?

If I were, somehow, I would go to jail before I sacrifice my life to enable the military industrial complex's addiction to war. Capital "F" that!

[FreeTraveler]

I'm too old now, but I remember sitting with friends watching the draft lottery 40 years ago, everything I owned packed in the trunk of my car, wondering if I would be on the way to Canada in an hour, and if I would ever see my family again. Thankfully, I lucked out.

Having been there, I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

[Zippyjuan]

If I remember right, 42 is the cut-off age for Selective Service. So, sorry to say it, but you're not close to being "too old" for the draft.

They start with the youngest registered (beginning with 20 year olds). The older you are, the more unlikely it is that you would be called. If you are 40 it would have to be like Germany near the end of WWII for you to get called up.
http://www.sss.gov/FSlottery.htm

The lottery would establish the priority of call based on the birth dates of registrants. The first men drafted would be those turning age 20 during the calendar year of the lottery. For example, if a draft were held in 1998, those men born in 1978 would be considered first. If a young man turns 21 in the year of the draft, he would be in the second priority, in turning 22 he would be in the third priority, and so forth until the year in which he turns 26 at which time he is over the age of liability. Younger men would not be called in that year until men in the 20-25 age group are called.



Sequence of events should Congress authorize a draft (which is extremely unlikely at this time) :http://www.sss.gov/seq.htm


1. CONGRESS AND THE PRESIDENT AUTHORIZE A DRAFT
A crisis occurs which requires more troops than the volunteer military can supply. Congress passes and the President signs legislation which starts a draft.

2. THE LOTTERY
A lottery based on birthdays determines the order in which registered men are called up by Selective Service. The first to be called, in a sequence determined by the lottery, will be men whose 20th birthday falls during that year, followed, if needed, by those aged 21, 22, 23, 24 and 25. 18-year-olds and those turning 19 would probably not be drafted.

3. ALL PARTS OF SELECTIVE SERVICE ARE ACTIVATED
The Agency activates and orders its State Directors and Reserve Forces Officers to report for duty. See also Agency Structure.

4. PHYSICAL, MENTAL, AND MORAL EVALUATION OF REGISTRANTS
Registrants with low lottery numbers are ordered to report for a physical, mental, and moral evaluation at a Military Entrance Processing Station to determine whether they are fit for military service. Once he is notified of the results of the evaluation, a registrant will be given 10 days to file a claim for exemption, postponement, or deferment. See also Classifications.

5. LOCAL AND APPEAL BOARDS ACTIVATED AND INDUCTION NOTICES SENT
Local and Appeal Boards will process registrant claims. Those who pass the military evaluation will receive induction orders. An inductee will have 10 days to report to a local Military Entrance Processing Station for induction.

6. FIRST DRAFTEES ARE INDUCTED
According to current plans, Selective Service must deliver the first inductees to the military within 193 days from the onset of a crisis.

[Dianne]

I'll follow our President's footsteps... which means noooooooooooo, hell noooooooooooooo.