Ron Paul on Morning Joe: Obama isn't Socialist, he's a Corporatist.

[Vessol]

Thought you all might find this interesting.

YouTube - Ron Paul on "Morning Joe," 9/15/09 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjVpr3zIr8E)

(Check at 7:30)

I agree with him 100%. Nothing gets me more annoyed then hearing these Fox pundits using the scareword "socialist" to drive their crowd of neoconservatives.

There is no economic differences between Obama and Bush. If Obama is socialist, then Bush better be a damn commie as well. Wake up and stop following the Left/Right paradigm that will play you on and on.

Obama, Bush, Clinton, every last one of them is a CORPORATIST. A STATE CAPITALIST. He is owned and operated by Bankers, not Marx. If he was a socialist, why is he being backed by corporations and companies every step of the way?

And before you say it, no I am not socialist, nor do I like socialism. Socialism however is a concept and seriously unpractical in practice.

Stop and wake up. Stop falling to this age old game.

I also found it interesting how the Huffington lady agreed with Dr. Paul on numerous issues. It just goes to show that we can find common ground just as easily with liberals as we can conservatives. But wait, don't listen to me or Ron Paul! Them liberals are all damn socialist godless commies!

[silverhandorder]

No he is a godless socialist and we must raise our pitch forks to storm the white house!

edit: Just in case people can't read sarcasm.

[ctiger2]

Fascist

[paulitics]

Ron Paul is pretty damn skilled at using the right words to draw in the left's attention, and he is accurate to. Even with heathcare, it will be a corporatism solution.

[Vessol]

Ron Paul is pretty damn skilled at using the right words to draw in the left's attention, and he is accurate to. Even with heathcare, it will be a corporatism solution.

That's not what the Right wants you to hear though. They want you to think that he's an evil godless commie that wants to destroy the world. Not the guy with the same agenda as their star player.

Ron Paul is skilled at using the right words to drawn in anyone on the right or left.

[Dunedain]

Corporatist, socialist, communist, racist...Obama is a little bit of everything. One thing he isn't is free market. That runs contrary to corporatism.

[Vessol]

Corporatist, socialist, communist, racist...Obama is a little bit of everything. One thing he isn't is free market. That runs contrary to corporatism.

Corporatism is not capitalism, it's especially not free market.

He's the same as Bush. Why aren't you all shouting about Bush being a socialist? Why isn't Glenn Beck calling Bush a socialist?

[Bruno]

I believe he has also called it "crony corporatism"

[FrankRep]

Corporatize/Privatize Profits, Socialize Losses

[Dunedain]

Corporatism is not capitalism, it's especially not free market.

I believe I said that in my above post. I think we're saying the same thing. Corporations simply strangle the free market because the corporation has special rights granted by the state.



He's the same as Bush. Why aren't you all shouting about Bush being a socialist? Why isn't Glenn Beck calling Bush a socialist?

I was shouting about Bush being lots of negative things when he was in power. Now he is not in power - so i don't care about Bush any more. He ruined this country (some more) and he should be put on trial for the murder of our American servicemen.

[Vessol]

oh I know, I wasn't speaking out against you, just speaking out against these right-wing pundits. they call Obama a socialist, but he's just continuing and expanding what Bush did.

[purplechoe]

http://logisticsmonster.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/fascism-joker.jpg

[Vessol]

http://logisticsmonster.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/fascism-joker.jpg

Pretty much.

Nazi Germany had a very intimate connection with its companies and industries. IBM anyone?

Soviet Russia and Mao China would've done the same, but they were not industrialized nations at the time like Germany was.

I wouldn't consider Soviet Russia and Mao China socialist either.

[InterestedParticipant]

No Ron, Obama is a Globalist's dupe

[purplechoe]

oh I know, I wasn't speaking out against you, just speaking out against these right-wing pundits. they call Obama a socialist, but he's just continuing and expanding what Bush did.

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[s35wf]

that was a great clip; fricken excellent interview! :)

[Vessol]

That was a great interview. THANK GOD FOR MSNBC! lol

yeah, most people forget that Morning Joe is on MSNBC.

Yes, what a bunch of socialist garbage that channel is, having that socialist Ron Paul on and all.

[dannno]

Corporatism is not capitalism, it's especially not free market.

He's the same as Bush. Why aren't you all shouting about Bush being a socialist? Why isn't Glenn Beck calling Bush a socialist?

Well I was calling Obama a neocon before the primary elections.

[Romulus]

props to morning Joe we should all send them some fan mail :)

[Flash]

yeah, most people forget that Morning Joe is on MSNBC.

Yes, what a bunch of socialist garbage that channel is, having that socialist Ron Paul on and all.

On Morning Joe, the one Conservative show on the network who has been friendly to Ron Paul's ideas for years now.

YouTube - Lou Dobbs Slams MSNBC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXkZV3GRyMs)
YouTube - Lou Dobbs slams Janeane Garafolo and MSNBC Olbermann for the nasty racist comments (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5dzgPR70YQ)
YouTube - TEA PARTY PROTESTERS ARE RACISTS - KEITH OLBERMANN JANEANE GARBARFALO UNBELIEVABLE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsIW5edhq_8&feature=related)
YouTube - MSNBC Libtalker Ed Schultz: 'Conservatives Want Obama Dead' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsYIE_QkqNQ)
YouTube - MSNBC Distorts Story Of Man With Gun As White Racist! Raw Video Included! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MHcCNWVeW4)

Calling us 'racists' & 'teabaggers' is pretty offensive and justifies anyone calling MSNBC a 'garbage network.' Infact the last time I watched Hardball he spent the entire episode implying Joe Wilson & 9/12 protestors were racists. The 'racist' signs he showed were comparing Obama to Hitler. Somehow that is racist in the MSNBC universe.

[Vessol]

On Morning Joe, the one Conservative show on the network who has been friendly to Ron Paul's ideas for years now.

Thanks Captain Obvious.

I 'ought to get out of my cave one of these days. I hear they have devices you can listen to music on portability now.

[Flash]

Thanks Captain Obvious.

I 'ought to get out of my cave one of these days. I hear they have devices you can listen to music on portability now.

Uhh, what? Your post was obviously defending MSNBC through sarcasm, hence calling Ron Paul a 'socialist' while calling MSNBC a 'socialist garbage channel' as if both statements are equally insane.

[Vessol]

Uhh, what? Your post was obviously defending MSNBC through sarcasm, hence calling Ron Paul a 'socialist' while calling MSNBC a 'socialist garbage channel' as if both statements are equally insane.

Not that good of a reader of intents? Are you?

I was more poking fun at the pundints and their follows on the Right calling MSNBC the 'American Pravda', while they had Ron Paul on and he wasn't attacked.

Before you go on about how it was a conservative show and all that. I know that already.

It just goes to point out that it's one big show designed to get us all caught up in it. There is no difference between MSNBC and Fox or CNN for that matter.

[tonesforjonesbones]

Id say Obama is Fabian SOcialist. THey want capitalism for them...but they want to run things...that's socialistic..maybe even fascist. TOnes

[Vessol]

Id say Obama is Fabian SOcialist. THey want capitalism for them...but they want to run things...that's socialistic..maybe even fascist. TOnes

Socialism and Fascism are two different roads to the same end.

However I don't think there ever has or ever will be a socialist state. It's simply rhetoric for the Right to whip up their own partisans in this game to play it again and again.

[ClayTrainor]

Id say Obama is Fabian SOcialist. THey want capitalism for them...but they want to run things...that's socialistic..maybe even fascist. TOnes

I'm pretty sure corporatism and fascism are interchangable terms, are they not?

Private ownership, government control, no?

[Ninja Homer]

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Good interview! Where might I find the audio version that they said would be continued later on?

[Vessol]

Looked it up and found it.

http://wabcradio.com/Sectional.asp?id=30583

[Bucjason]

I'm pretty sure corporatism and fascism are interchangable terms, are they not?

Private ownership, government control, no?

Yes , exactly right.

"Fascists explicitly promoted their ideology as a "Third Position" between capitalism and communism. Italian Fascism involved corporatism, a political system in which economy is collectively managed by employers, workers and state officials by formal mechanisms at national level. Fascists advocated a new national multi-class economic system that is labeled as either national corporatism, national socialism or national syndicalism. The common aim of all fascist movements was elimination of the autonomy or, in some cases, the existence of large-scale capitalism"-Wikipedia

Ron Paul is telling us that Obama is a fascist...

[Ninja Homer]

Looked it up and found it.

http://wabcradio.com/Sectional.asp?id=30583

Thanks! Direct link to mp3: http://wabcradio.com/getpodcast.aspx?sid=30583&lid=5145&id=1501544&source=1&url=http://rope.wabc.fimc.net/JoeandMika/9-15-09JOEANDMIKA.mp3

[PaulaGem]

That was a great interview. THANK GOD FOR MSNBC! lol

I just searched for "Ron Paul" on the MSNB home page and came up with 2007 articles as being "most recent".

A search for Ms. Huffington yielded the current interview.

Kinda fishy...