Inconsistent Truth - film debunking Al Gore & global warming

[Matt Collins]

Phil Valentine is a coworker and friend of mine here in Nashville....





YouTube - An Inconsistent Truth Teaser Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4tOYc-mkx8&feature=player_embedded)


YouTube - An Inconsistent Truth Teaser Trailer 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRp9hS445qQ&feature=player_embedded)



YouTube - An Inconsistent Truth Teaser Trailer 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsnfCO3WEzA&feature=player_embedded)

[purplechoe]

Is this thing out yet, if not, when?

[ClayTrainor]

Dam, can't wait for this!

[ClayTrainor]

bump.

[emazur]

Will this be played in theaters or is it home-video only?

[Annihilia]

Looks real polished.

[ClayTrainor]

I just sent these trailers to all of my former coworkers at the Env. Canada weather office, in windsor. :)

[Reason]

Al Gore did not claim he "invented" the Internet.

The fact that they put that thoroughly debunked claim in the trailer of this film does not bode well.

[ClayTrainor]

Al Gore did not claim he "invented" the Internet.

The fact that they put that thoroughly debunked claim in the trailer of this film does not bode well.


What is the story behind that anyways? got a link?

[Reason]

What is the story behind that anyways? got a link?

Claim: Vice-President Al Gore claimed that he "invented" the Internet.

Status: False.

Origins: Despite the derisive references that continue even today, Al Gore did not claim he "invented" the Internet, nor did he say anything that could reasonably be interpreted that way. The "Al Gore said he 'invented' the Internet" put-downs were misleading, out-of-context distortions of something he said during an interview (http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/03/09/president.2000/transcript.gore/index.html) with Wolf Blitzer on CNN's "Late Edition" program on 9 March 1999. When asked to describe what distinguished him from his challenger for the Democratic presidential nomination, Senator Bill Bradley of New Jersey, Gore replied (in part):

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system."

Clearly, although Gore's phrasing might have been a bit clumsy (and perhaps self-serving), he was not claiming that he "invented" the Internet (in the sense of having designed or implemented it), but that he was responsible, in an economic and legislative sense, for fostering the development the technology that we now know as the Internet. To claim that Gore was seriously trying to take credit for the "invention" of the Internet is, frankly, just silly political posturing that arose out of a close presidential campaign. Gore never used the word "invent," and the words "create" and "invent" have distinctly different meanings — the former is used in the sense of "to bring about" or "to bring into existence" while the latter is generally used to signify the first instance of someone's thinking up or implementing an idea. (To those who say the words "create" and "invent" mean exactly the same thing, we have to ask why, then, the media overwhelmingly and consistently cited Gore as having claimed he "invented" the Internet, even though he never used that word, and transcripts of what he actually said were readily available.)

If President Eisenhower had said in the mid-1960s that he, while president, "created" the Interstate Highway System, we would not have seen dozens and dozens of
editorials lampooning him for claiming he "invented" the concept of highways or implying that he personally went out and dug ditches across the country to help build the roadway. Everyone would have understood that Ike meant he was a driving force behind the legislation that created the highway system, and this was the very same concept Al Gore was expressing about himself with his Internet statement.

Whether Gore's statement that he "took the initiative in creating the Internet" is justified is a subject of debate. Any statement about the "creation" or "beginning" of the Internet is difficult to evaluate, because the Internet is not a homogenous entity (it's a collection of computers, networks, protocols, standards, and application programs), nor did it all spring into being at once (the components that comprise the Internet were developed in various places at different times and are continuously being modified, improved, and expanded). A spirited defense (http://web.archive.org/web/20000125065813/http://www.mids.org/mn/904/vcerf.html) of Gore's claim by Vint Cerf (often referred to as the "father of the Internet") notes "that as a Senator and now as Vice President, Gore has made it a point to be as well-informed as possible on technology and issues that surround it," although many of the components of today's Internet came into being well before Gore's first term in Congress began in 1977.

It is true, though, that Gore was popularizing the term "information superhighway" in the early 1990s (although he did not, as is often claimed by others, coin the phrase himself) when few people outside academia or the computer/defense industries had heard of the Internet, and he sponsored the 1988 National High-Performance Computer Act (which established a national computing plan and helped link universities and libraries via a shared network) and cosponsored the Information Infrastructure and Technology Act of 1992 (which opened the Internet to commercial traffic).

In May 2005, the organizers of the Webby Awards for online achievements honored Al Gore with a lifetime achievement award for three decades of contributions to the Internet. "He is indeed due some thanks and consideration for his early contributions," said Vint Cerf.

[Stary Hickory]

ok so he created the internet
or took an initiative in creating the internet......so he did it but he just had help

[silverhandorder]

Honestly I don't like when they attack the person in a movie that is meant to educate. However the claim about him bragging over initiating programs that gave us internet is rather neutral. Yeah he bragged about it, just not in the very clear manner, so I see no reason why it is false to laugh at him for that.

[jmdrake]

While Phil and I don't see eye to eye on a lot, he's spot on about global warming. And I love his Arlen Spectre imitation! :D Looks like this is going to be a great documentary. Phil is on his way to being the next AJ. ;)


Phil Valentine is a coworker and friend of mine here in Nashville....





YouTube - An Inconsistent Truth Teaser Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4tOYc-mkx8&feature=player_embedded)


YouTube - An Inconsistent Truth Teaser Trailer 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRp9hS445qQ&feature=player_embedded)



YouTube - An Inconsistent Truth Teaser Trailer 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsnfCO3WEzA&feature=player_embedded)

[BenIsForRon]

I'm just posting here to let lurkers know that not every Ron Paul supporter thinks human-caused global warming is a hoax.

I am convinced global warming is happening, and it is due to our use of fossil fuels. Look at the science, there is a correlation, we just don't know how bad it will get.

[Objectivist]

Stop beating a dead horse people.

http://www.scotese.com/climate.thm

This site refutes anything idiot Gore has to say. He's a snake oil salesman.

[Objectivist]

YouTube - Al Gore: The North Polar Ice Cap Will Disappear in 5 Years (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrPCUWWjh0c)

[jmdrake]

I'm just posting here to let lurkers know that not every Ron Paul supporter thinks human-caused global warming is a hoax.

I am convinced global warming is happening, and it is due to our use of fossil fuels. Look at the science, there is a correlation, we just don't know how bad it will get.

Can you explain what caused global warming on Mars and Jupiter?

Can you explain why in the 1970s these same alarmists were warning about "global cooling" because of fossil fuels?

Can you explain why the founder of the weather channel calls global warming the "biggest scam in human history"?

Can you explain why nobody talks about the biggest contributor to "greenhouse gases"? (H20)

Can you explain why 2008 was the coldest winter in recent memory?

Some interesting global warming links you should check out. I used to believe global warming too back before it was "hip". I eventually learned better. Climate change is driven by the sun.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1363818.ece
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/dec/05/climate-change-weather
http://friendsofscience.org/

[Objectivist]

Can you explain what caused global warming on Mars and Jupiter?

Can you explain why in the 1970s these same alarmists were warning about "global cooling" because of fossil fuels?

Can you explain why the founder of the weather channel calls global warming the "biggest scam in human history"?

Can you explain why nobody talks about the biggest contributor to "greenhouse gases"? (H20)

Can you explain why 2008 was the coldest winter in recent memory?

Some interesting global warming links you should check out. I used to believe global warming too back before it was "hip". I eventually learned better. Climate change is driven by the sun.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1363818.ece
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/dec/05/climate-change-weather
http://friendsofscience.org/

Subduction is a slow process.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subduction
YouTube - The Early Earth and Plate Tectonics (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDqskltCixA&feature=PlayList&p=A490BAF87A6AF829&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=10)

[Objectivist]

We have yet to study the Core on any real level. The Core radiates heat energy at an extremely slow rate and learning about subduction might help us understand how sections of the planet cool or heat over time.

[jmdrake]

We have yet to study the Core on any real level. The Core radiates heat energy at an extremely slow rate and learning about subduction might help us understand how sections of the planet cool or heat over time.

Interesting. And a nice documentary clip. I honestly never thought of that angle.

Speaking of clips, Discovery had a recent documentary about solar storms of the recent past and possible coming solar storm. No mention of these storms possibly causing global warming. :mad:

YouTube - Discovery Channel - Solar Storm - pt 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIr6nfwpctA)

[Matt Collins]

We don't use fossil fuels; there is no such thing. Petroleum is a natural geological byproduct of the Earth. Look up the abiogenic theory of petroleum sometime.

[BenIsForRon]

We don't use fossil fuels; there is no such thing. Petroleum is a natural geological byproduct of the Earth. Look up the abiogenic theory of petroleum sometime.

Please tell me this is a joke. Matt... you know that no modern geologist believes that, right?

Anyways, I've argued global warming way too many times here. I'll just say that I don't think it is a coincidence that most of the warming has occurred at the same time that fossil fuel use and industry have skyrocketed throughout the world. I know correlation is not causation, but I'm making a leap of faith here.

I encourage everybody to look at both sides and draw their own conclusions.

[Matt Collins]

you know that no modern geologist believes that, right?And that means nothing. Almost no attorneys believe that the Constitution is set up to limit the federal government, but are they right? :rolleyes:

There are several books on the subject, but here is a (bad) place to start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin


I am by no means a scientist, (I am an engineer however), and I have seen enough credible arguments FOR the abiogenic origin of petroleum to make it worth consideration.

Check out a book called "Blackgold Stranglehold" and it will get you started. It's written by Jerome Corsi of Harvard.



I'll just say that I don't think it is a coincidence that most of the warming has occurred at the same time that fossil fuel use and industry have skyrocketed throughout the world. I know correlation is not causation, but I'm making a leap of faith here.Well glad you realize the C vs C thing, and that it's faith you are discussing, as opposed to science.

The honest truth is that no one knows for sure because the atmosphere is so complex that we as humans still do not fully understand it yet. And we've only had decent measuring equipment for the last few decades/hundred years. Not to mention the fact that if it is warming, it could be a natural phenomenon.


So in short, who knows, but really, we shouldn't be basing national policy (which is unconstitutional anyway) off of a guess.

[Objectivist]

Interesting. And a nice documentary clip. I honestly never thought of that angle.

Speaking of clips, Discovery had a recent documentary about solar storms of the recent past and possible coming solar storm. No mention of these storms possibly causing global warming. :mad:

YouTube - Discovery Channel - Solar Storm - pt 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIr6nfwpctA)

If I had the opportunity to receive a grant I would want to drill a grid pattern or along fault lines and place electronic thermostats at depths close to the outer core, deep mantle, if possible and start taking measurements.

There is another vid on what happened to what is now Australia millions of years ago when a superheated plume rose up to the surface through the outer core and mantle to scorch the surface of what is now Australia. These bubbles act like the ones in a lava lamp.

I've been asking scientist about this question and all they can come up with is speculation. Which is understandable seeing we haven't been taking any real measurements.

[jmdrake]

Please tell me this is a joke. Matt... you know that no modern geologist believes that, right?

And you've interviewed every modern geologist? :rolleyes: It doesn't matter whether the fuel is "fossil" or not. It doesn't cause global warming any more than it did global cooling.



Anyways, I've argued global warming way too many times here. I'll just say that I don't think it is a coincidence that most of the warming has occurred at the same time that fossil fuel use and industry have skyrocketed throughout the world. I know correlation is not causation, but I'm making a leap of faith here.

I encourage everybody to look at both sides and draw their own conclusions.

I've looked at both sides. I used to be a "global warming" believer. What convinced me that I was wrong was when found out that Mars, Jupiter and the other planets were heating up right along with earth. In science this is called a "confounding factor". We can rule out the burning of fossil fuels on Mars as a cause for Martian global warming. The only man made vehicles on Mars are solar powered. Thus we have to look at another factor. Look at the global warming debate as a case of epidemiology. There you look for a common factor. One of the first examples of modern epidemiology was when a scientist found out that everyone that got sick had the same well as a water source. He took off the handle to the well and the outbreak ended. Translating that to our solar system, all of our planets share a common heat source (the sun). As it's heated up, so have the planets. As it's cooled down, so have the planets. (We're in a short cooling cycle which will heat up again in 2012.)

Now for your correlation argument. Did you know that the increase in carbon lags behind the rise in temperature (http://www.sciencebits.com/IceCoreTruth) by up to 900 years? Because you've been led to one conclusion about the correlation you've ignored the very real possibility of another conclusion. Perhaps CO2 increases as temperature increases. There's strong evidence to suggest that hotter temperatures cause the oceans to release more CO2. But Al Gore leaves out this bit of truth that is "inconvenient" to the theory he wants to promote.

Regards,

John M. Drake

[jmdrake]

If I had the opportunity to receive a grant I would want to drill a grid pattern or along fault lines and place electronic thermostats at depths close to the outer core, deep mantle, if possible and start taking measurements.

There is another vid on what happened to what is now Australia millions of years ago when a superheated plume rose up to the surface through the outer core and mantle to scorch the surface of what is now Australia. These bubbles act like the ones in a lava lamp.

I've been asking scientist about this question and all they can come up with is speculation. Which is understandable seeing we haven't been taking any real measurements.

You won't get your grant unless you "dress it up" a little. Tell the government that it's for studying the effectiveness of underground carbon sequestration near the outer core. ;)

[Objectivist]

You won't get your grant unless you "dress it up" a little. Tell the government that it's for studying the effectiveness of underground carbon sequestration near the outer core. ;)

I guess I'm stuck with resorting to the old PhD. or Post Hole Digger where I'm from.

[Phil Valentine]

Nice try, CivilRadiant. Here is the EXACT quote. Neither you nor Al can hide from the truth.
"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet"
during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN on March 9, 1999.

There ya go.

[Reason]

Nice try, CivilRadiant. Here is the EXACT quote. Neither you nor Al can hide from the truth.
"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet"
during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN on March 9, 1999.

There ya go.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2319716&postcount=10

& welcome to the forums.

[Phil Valentine]

By the way. I got the quote right in the movie. I didn't say he said he invented the Internet. I said he claimed to create the Internet, which he did.

[Reason]

By the way. I got the quote right in the movie. I didn't say he said he invented the Internet. I said he claimed to create the Internet, which he did.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2319716&postcount=10

[Matt Collins]

WOW!


The almighty Phil Valentine himself is actually reading AND posting here at the "Paulhive"? :eek::eek::eek: ;):p:D

[ronpaulhawaii]

WOW!


The almighty Phil Valentine himself is actually reading AND posting here at the "Paulhive"? :eek::eek::eek: ;):p:D

:) - I prefer the phrase "crucible of r3VOLUtion" :D

E Komo Mai, Phil. Please ignore any drama - herding catz is a hell of a job for anti-authoritarian authorities... (just stopping in to delete the dupe post...)

[RevolutionSD]

The internet took off DESPITE Al Gore.
Created it, invented it, whatever, he's a douche with a ridiculously huge ego and some incorrect ideas.

[Reason]

The internet took off DESPITE Al Gore.
Created it, invented it, whatever, he's a douche with a ridiculously huge ego and some incorrect ideas.

We need to be careful to avoid assumptions, generalizations and labels.

Obviously no one here is a fan of Al Gore's portrayal of the idea that we know for sure what is causing the temperature changes of the planet.

That doesn't mean we should facilitate half truths, untruths, or anything in between.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Saying all the emissions caused by humans doesn't have an effect on our atmosphere is just plain ignorant
I'm more worried about the deteriorating Ozone layer than the earth getting warmer anyway.

[ClayTrainor]

Saying all the emissions caused by humans doesn't have an effect on our atmosphere is just plain ignorant
I'm more worried about the deteriorating Ozone layer than the earth getting warmer anyway.

Atomic Bromine and Chlorine emissions are the cause of that, and i don't hear about any liberals trying to increase those regulations