Why I hate Glenn Beck, FOX News & the 9/12 Marchers

[Reason]

No one makes it easier for the left than Glenn Beck, FOX News & the 9/12 Marchers

YouTube - Brought To You By Fox (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVTk8Mo2ocQ)

[Cdn_for_liberty]

lol the liberal media would be using this I guarantee

[Deborah K]

Don't hate.

[A. Havnes]

But a lot of non-RP supporters do like Glenn Beck and Fox News. They put a negative light on some of the recent policies, thus people may become more open to people who support true liberty. It doesn't hurt having Fox people on our side for some of this.

Now, I hated Fox News during the election. They were anything but "fair and balanced", but I prefer to work with them on a case-by-case basis. If they are going to help us wake people up, then why not let them?

[Reason]

lol the liberal media would be using this I guarantee

That's my whole point.

These clueless neocon sheeple worshiping Glenn Beck are quickly becoming the most destructive force against a legitimate liberty movement ever conceived.

[Reason]

If they are going to help us wake people up, then why not let them?

They aren't waking anyone up...

They are manipulating and shifting them in an organized unproductive direction leading directly back into the false left/right paradigm.

[Deborah K]

Stop thinking like a collectivist. People are waking up! It's YOUR job to recruit them.

[The Deacon]

I plugged End the Fed in the comments section and already got two thumbs down...

[Sandra]

they aren't waking anyone up...

They are manipulating and shifting them in an organized unproductive direction leading directly back into the false left/right paradigm.

amen!

[Reason]

Stop thinking like a collectivist. People are waking up! It's YOUR job to recruit them.

Perhaps you should reread the definition of collectivism...

If I was hopping on the Glenn Beck bandwagon of false revolution that would be collectivism.

Staying objective and analyzing how this is playing out is far from collectivist thinking.

[KAYA]

Ok, so you use an edited youtube clip from Media F'n Matters as a source of your discontempt? What else would you expect from this George Soros funded hack organization?

[Reason]

ok, so you use an edited youtube clip from media f'n matters as a source of your discontempt? What else would you expect from this george soros funded hack organization?

that is my point.

These idiots (glenn beck, fox news, & 9/12 marchers) are making it sooo easy for the left.

[KAYA]

that is my point.

These idiots (glenn beck, fox news, & 9/12 marchers) are making it sooo easy for the left.

Who give a shit what Media Matters says or thinks? Their reporting will be negative, unfair and biased no matter what. They are propagandist.

[SelfTaught]

That's my whole point.

These clueless neocon sheeple worshiping Glenn Beck are quickly becoming the most destructive force against a legitimate liberty movement ever conceived.

No.

The most destructive force against liberty is totalitarianism and these far left nuts that would turn our government into a socialist/fascist/commie regime in the blink of an eye.

As bad as Glenn Beck, Fox News, and their supporters are, they are nowhere as dumbed down as the liberals and loonies on the left. As misguided as their understanding may be of American principles, they at least want to return to them, whereas the leftists reject America and its founding principles altogether.

But please continue, you'll keep whining no matter what. Most people can agree with you that there are a lot of former neocons in the 912 project. Do you have to keep bringing it up and making it seem the like most dreaded thing in the world?

[Reason]

Who give a shit what Media Matters says or thinks? Their reporting will be negative, unfair and biased no matter what. They are propagandist.

The video clip is just a small example of what the media is able to do when we make it sooo easy for them.

We should be making it difficult for them to corner us into bullshit stereotypical categories.

ie: When the Ron Paul supporters in Arizona went out with the black guy carrying the AR-15.

That was done on purpose and with someone intelligent and informed.

It ambushed the media with logical responses and made the the mongering announcers look like fools!

I will say it again...

They aren't waking anyone up...

They are manipulating and shifting them in an organized unproductive direction leading directly back into the false left/right paradigm.

[Deborah K]

that is my point.

These idiots (glenn beck, fox news, & 9/12 marchers) are making it sooo easy for the left.

I disagree. Their insults and accusations are serving only to galvanize people into action against them and their agenda. Bad move on the part of the left. Really bad move. But, as they say, give em enough rope........

[AuH20]

They aren't waking anyone up...

They are manipulating and shifting them in an organized unproductive direction leading directly back into the false left/right paradigm.

Uh no. Beck has been screaming from the rooftops about bipartisan corruption. Romney and Palin aren't the answer to this complicated problem.

[DapperDan]

If anything, educate those who have become more aware after watching Beck, etc, etc. Bring them to reality.

Yes I still think Beck is controlled opposition since he changed his tune ever since Bush left. Could he himself woke up? Maybe. Is what he doing helpful to us? Yes. Like I said, educate people.

[jclay2]

I do like beck, however, he has the fatal flaw of not entirely dismissing the republicans. In fact he is stupid enough to believe that if we had another Reagan our problems would be solved. Sorry, but I don't think I want to see a phony "conservative revolution".

[FSP-Rebel]

If anything, educate those who have become more aware after watching Beck, etc, etc. Bring them to reality.

Yes I still think Beck is controlled opposition since he changed his tune ever since Bush left. Could he himself woke up? Maybe. Is what he doing helpful to us? Yes. Like I said, educate people.
Yes, if we don't aim to educate these folks then let's just throw in the towel now. I mean, here we are seeing the biggest awakening in recent decades, we all should be pumped. I was at the rally and felt it was a very beneficial thing. I talked to a lot of people about liberty in general in my pursuit of recruiting for the FSP.

[Ethek]

Uh no. Beck has been screaming from the rooftops about bipartisan corruption. Romney and Palin aren't the answer to this complicated problem.

Yes, There is too much time spent on issues. Its left/right all over. Any talking head can blow with the wind of popular opinion on specific issues. The media trumpets this.

There is only one principle, a philosophy to hold minds through the tough choices. It is all that matters. That's sticking to the Constitution. Its an underlying philosophy that Beck and 99.999% of politicians do not entirely get. Constitutionally limited government is the Alpha and the Omega for any hope of personal freedom to prevailing in the current atmosphere.

The Tea Parties are dangerously close to the old paradigms of democracy, anarchy, or agendas of any one issue. Limited Constitutional Government is the core of what the Tea Party movement should invest time and energy into implementing. The movement will latch onto this very soon or its going to usurped and hijacked by the slickest talking head with an issue specific agenda. Left right all over again.

[kahless]

No one makes it easier for the left than Glenn Beck, FOX News & the 9/12 Marchers

YouTube - Brought To You By Fox (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVTk8Mo2ocQ)

Despite whatever FNC's transgressions are you go ahead and bash the only news outlet that is finally giving a voice to our issues and is not openly hostile to us. The sheeple are finally starting to wake up but sure, go ahead and bash them also. Your tactic can only lead us to success. :rolleyes:

How much has your Soros funded organization been paying you to post here to ensure we continue to only be a fringe movement whose only goal is to weaken the Conservative-Libertarians in the party thus the entire Republican party as a whole?

[Reason]

Despite whatever FNC's transgressions are you go ahead and bash the only news outlet that is finally giving a voice to our issues and is not openly hostile to us. The sheeple are finally starting to wake up but sure, go ahead and bash them also. Your tactic can only lead us to success. :rolleyes:

How much has your Soros funded organization been paying you to post here to ensure we continue to only be a fringe movement whose only goal is to weaken the Conservative-Libertarians in the party thus the entire Republican party as a whole?

Marching on washington with speakers who are Faux news producers is not "sheeple waking up"

The majority of those people seem to me to be the same ones that were forwarding the "obama is the antichrist" emails...

Wake up.

[Bucjason]

Despite whatever FNC's transgressions are you go ahead and bash the only news outlet that is finally giving a voice to our issues and is not openly hostile to us. The sheeple are finally starting to wake up but sure, go ahead and bash them also. Your tactic can only lead us to success. :rolleyes:

How much has your Soros funded organization been paying you to post here to ensure we continue to only be a fringe movement whose only goal is to weaken the Conservative-Libertarians in the party thus the entire Republican party as a whole?

AMEN ! Great post.

I'm so sick of the whiners around here that want to cut thier noses off to spite thier face.

[Reason]

Hilarious that so many of you can't see that Glenn is controlled opposition that is meant to hijack any energy from the real liberty movement.

Lmao if you guys really think Faux Noise is going to still be talking about intelligent Judge Napolitano type issues once there is more Red than Blue in the govt.

[Deborah K]

Hilarious that so many of you can't see that Glenn is controlled opposition that is meant to hijack any energy from the real liberty movement.

Lmao if you guys really think Faux Noise is going to still be talking about intelligent Judge Napolitano type issues once there is more Red than Blue in the govt.

Civil, explain why the Judge subs for Beck and is on his show all the time. Explain why Schiff, Rand, and Ron go on his show. Ron will be on it this week - so I've heard. Explain how Beck nailing that commie Van Jones to the wall thus riling people up about it and ultimately getting him fired as Green Jobs Czar - explain how that hijacks the liberty movement? Explain why he is asking all of us to call Congress and the WH daily to demand that no bills be passed until the corruption is exposed and dealt with - explain how that hijacks the liberty movement. Explain how his investigative team exposing ACORN hijacks the movement????

I really want to know!

[KAYA]

Marching on washington with speakers who are Faux news producers is not "sheeple waking up"

The majority of those people seem to me to be the same ones that were forwarding the "obama is the antichrist" emails...

Wake up.
Hilarious that so many of you can't see that Glenn is controlled opposition that is meant to hijack any energy from the real liberty movement.

Lmao if you guys really think Faux Noise is going to still be talking about intelligent Judge Napolitano type issues once there is more Red than Blue in the govt.

What's with your signature link to Democracy Now? Those guys are uber-progressives? How could anyone with libertarian or conservative political leanings support such a site?

[Chieppa1]

Civil: you convinced me. We should distance ourselves from everyone that doesn't agree with us 100%. We should stop trying to make change in this country. We should just sit on our forum, which is our security blanket and screaming post and complain. Not doing anything (other then sending some money or commenting on Youtube) to try to win over the minds of as many people as we can. You know, like the enemies of Liberty do on a daily basis.

I went to the marches, totally aware of who was going to be there. I had people listening. I had people asking about the Fed. I gave out copies of Dr. Paul's new book. Now if everyone on this forum, along with the millions of Ron Paul Libertarians made a point to go there, what a statement that would have made.

Stop making it Us vs them and them and them. We will only continue to be slaves if all we do is complain.

[KAYA]

Civil, explain why the Judge subs for Beck and is on his show all the time. Explain why Schiff, Rand, and Ron go on his show. Ron will be on it this week - so I've heard. Explain how Beck nailing that commie Van Jones to the wall thus riling people up about it and ultimately getting him fired as Green Jobs Czar - explain how that hijacks the liberty movement? Explain why he is asking all of us to call Congress and the WH daily to demand that no bills be passed until the corruption is exposed and dealt with - explain how that hijacks the liberty movement. Explain how his investigative team exposing ACORN hijacks the movement????

I really want to know!

Uh, let me guess... Neo-con, faux news, hidden agenda, distraction, controlled opposition, neo-con, faux news.

Just a guess.

[Annihilia]

Despite whatever FNC's transgressions are you go ahead and bash the only news outlet that is finally giving a voice to our issues and is not openly hostile to us. The sheeple are finally starting to wake up but sure, go ahead and bash them also. Your tactic can only lead us to success. :rolleyes:

How much has your Soros funded organization been paying you to post here to ensure we continue to only be a fringe movement whose only goal is to weaken the Conservative-Libertarians in the party thus the entire Republican party as a whole?

I don't think you understand what the concern over FNC is.

What better way to discredit a movement than to pretend to embrace it and then act like a jackass. This is what Beck is doing. This is what some of his followers are doing.

Also, who is talking about the Republican party?

[dannno]

LoL... I think I threw up in my mouth a little when that lady said she wanted to "ban" CNN..

[Annihilia]

LoL... I think I threw up in my mouth a little when that lady said she wanted to "ban" CNN..

Even better, she said she's going to get her fellow "patriots" to do it.

[dannno]

No.

The most destructive force against liberty is totalitarianism and these far left nuts that would turn our government into a socialist/fascist/commie regime in the blink of an eye.

As bad as Glenn Beck, Fox News, and their supporters are, they are nowhere as dumbed down as the liberals and loonies on the left. As misguided as their understanding may be of American principles, they at least want to return to them, whereas the leftists reject America and its founding principles altogether.

But please continue, you'll keep whining no matter what. Most people can agree with you that there are a lot of former neocons in the 912 project. Do you have to keep bringing it up and making it seem the like most dreaded thing in the world?

Actually I find a lot more in common with the people on the left than those on the right who want to "ban" this or that or legislate morality or expand our foreign empire.. We already have welfare, that's pretty much what most people on the left want.. they want a net in case they fall, and they want to ensure poor people are helped. They don't understand that the government takes 42% of our GDP which takes away lots of goods that those poor people could have...

[kahless]

I don't think you understand what the concern over FNC is.

What better way to discredit a movement than to pretend to embrace it and then act like a jackass. This is what Beck is doing. This is what some of his followers are doing.

The marching orders from the left is to use a minority of protesters such as this to discredit an entire movement. After reading and posting here for over a year I can predict threads that echo these marching orders before they even occur.


Also, who is talking about the Republican party?

According to the left the protesters are only zombie crazy Republican FNC Beck supporters. Maybe you have forgotten that Ron Paul is a member of the Republican Party and this is ronpaulforums.com. Thus my quote below is on topic.



How much has your Soros funded organization been paying you to post here to ensure we continue to only be a fringe movement whose only goal is to weaken the Conservative-Libertarians in the party thus the entire Republican party as a whole?

[SelfTaught]

What's with your signature link to Democracy Now? Those guys are uber-progressives? How could anyone with libertarian or conservative political leanings support such a site?

Hahaha. Surprise, surprise.

Go Progressives.

Go Liberals.

[Dreamofunity]

That video is sickening.

All news media sucks.

[SelfTaught]

Actually I find a lot more in common with the people on the left than those on the right who want to "ban" this or that or legislate morality or expand our foreign empire.. We already have welfare, that's pretty much what most people on the left want.. they want a net in case they fall, and they want to ensure poor people are helped. They don't understand that the government takes 42% of our GDP which takes away lots of goods that those poor people could have...

So what is it that you find in common with the left? This welfare issue you just explained above?

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. As Walter Williams has said, I would rather be robbed by a person with bad intentions than a person with good intentions. At least the person with bad intentions understands that what he is doing is wrong. The person with good intentions will rob you and then lecture you for an hour about why the theft of your property is for the good of the collective -- if he didn't rob you, the poor would starve, people would go without medical attention, this and that.

[BillyDkid]

They aren't waking anyone up...

They are manipulating and shifting them in an organized unproductive direction leading directly back into the false left/right paradigm.ExACTly!!! I hope people don't pissed at me when I complain about the movement being co-opted, but this is exactly what I mean. The right is not our ally. What is going on now is a perpetuation of the same horseshit that has always gone on and it distracts from the real issues.

[Bucjason]

Not doing anything (other then sending some money or commenting on Youtube) to try to win over the minds of as many people as we can. You know, like the enemies of Liberty do on a daily basis.


Nope , we aren't supposed to try and win over minds either.

Because according to guys like Civil , people CAN'T change thier minds. If you ever had a different opinion about something , you can no longer be trusted. You must have some secret agenda behind your opinion change ...:D

[JamesButabi]

So they found 11 semi-irrational fox supporters at a rally of about a million and collectivized them to represent the whole rally. Oh the irony that the topic is objective reporting.

[Flash]

On Progressives:

We Libertarians were buddy-buddy with them when Bush was a warmongerer. Now curiously they don't seem to mind Obama's warmongering. To me that is as low as you can go. As much as you may disagree with the people on the Right, they were at least consistent. And now the left will even go as far as accusing racism on anyone who disagrees with Obama. Not only do they embrace this PC nonsense but use it as a scare tactic. Those are people I could NEVER be associated with.

If you want to know the true face of the Left then look no further than what happened to Cindy Sheehan's movement. The second the messiah got into office the left abandoned her. Charlie Gibson went as far as calling her an attention whore. Progressives are Socialists, the same ideology of the USSR & Nazi Germany. The 'New World Order' should more accurately be called the New Socialist World Order.

Plus the degenerates in the Republican Party are products of the Left, Ron Paul himself admits it. Look at these nutjobs like Mccain & Bush, they are Liberal-Republicans.


Basically, I find Conservatives easier to convince than Liberals. I've been to several Conservative forums and got them to donate to Schiff & Rand Paul's campaign. And some even are more non-interventionalist thanks to Beck.

[scrosnoe]

don't hate 'em - love 'em and scoop em under your wings for the next round - we surround them!

[Reason]

What's with your signature link to Democracy Now? Those guys are uber-progressives? How could anyone with libertarian or conservative political leanings support such a site?

Please refer to the first sentence of my signature. :rolleyes:

Then go read this post
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2311916&postcount=12

And then take your ad hominem and shove it. :cool:

[dannno]

So what is it that you find in common with the left? This welfare issue you just explained above?

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. As Walter Williams has said, I would rather be robbed by a person with bad intentions than a person with good intentions. At least the person with bad intentions understands that what he is doing is wrong. The person with good intentions will rob you and then lecture you for an hour about why the theft of your property is for the good of the collective -- if he didn't rob you, the poor would starve, people would go without medical attention, this and that.

No, see, that's the problem.. you don't realize that the vast majority of wealth is being taken from people in the poor and middle class and either used to support our foreign empire (bi-partisan) or GIVEN to the wealthy (bi-partisan) via the federal reserve and corporate subsidies. By focusing on welfare and poverty you are focusing on the symptoms rather than the disease.

I obviously don't agree with the welfare state, but I agree with Ron Paul that we need to end our foreign empire first, then return to an honest monetary system before thinking about taking away money that poor people have become dependent on. Eventually the welfare state would be obsolete because we would be very prosperous once we got rid of our foreign empire and brought on more free market principles.

Most people on the right don't actually believe in free market principles AND they support our warfare state.. How can you possibly agree with them just because they want to get rid of the welfare state when that is the LAST step in the process?!

[dannno]

And to refute some of you, DemocracyNow DOES in fact have a huge problem with Obama's foreign policy.

If you don't ever listen to the show then I don't know how you could possibly have an opinion on that subject.

They also report a lot of stories that don't get reported here or in the mainstream media or on infowars.. They are like the left-wing infowars, they even had Burmas and his cohort on to debate the Popular Mechanics folks a while back. I don't agree with them entirely on politics, however they generally provide good information, especially compared to the MSM. They aren't my #1 source for news, but occasionally I'll switch them on during my 10 minute drive home from work..

[Deborah K]

On Progressives:

We Libertarians were buddy-buddy with them when Bush was a warmongerer. Now curiously they don't seem to mind Obama's warmongering. To me that is as low as you can go. As much as you may disagree with the people on the Right, they were at least consistent. And now the left will even go as far as accusing racism on anyone who disagrees with Obama. Not only do they embrace this PC nonsense but use it as a scare tactic. Those are people I could NEVER be associated with.

If you want to know the true face of the Left then look no further than what happened to Cindy Sheehan's movement. The second the messiah got into office the left abandoned her. Charlie Gibson went as far as calling her an attention whore. Progressives are Socialists, the same ideology of the USSR & Nazi Germany. The 'New World Order' should more accurately be called the New Socialist World Order.

Plus the degenerates in the Republican Party are products of the Left, Ron Paul himself admits it. Look at these nutjobs like Mccain & Bush, they are Liberal-Republicans.


Basically, I find Conservatives easier to convince than Liberals. I've been to several Conservative forums and got them to donate to Schiff & Rand Paul's campaign. And some even are more non-interventionalist thanks to Beck.

Good post.


If liberals didn't have double standards, they'd have no standards at all!!

[dannno]

Hah.. Double standards?? What about the Republicans voting for Bush' banker bailout but not Obama's?? Not to mention, I don't personally know any progressives who approve of Obama's wars. They are just glad McCain isn't in office cause they figure he would kill more innocent people and do more war mongering activities.. and they're probably right.

You know, I just saw a Ron Paul interview on Morning Joe and he was talking about how the healthcare reform is probably not going to move in the direction of socialism so much, it's moving in the direction of corporatism. What a surprise.

[SelfTaught]

No, see, that's the problem.. you don't realize that the vast majority of wealth is being taken from people in the poor and middle class and either used to support our foreign empire (bi-partisan) or GIVEN to the wealthy (bi-partisan) via the federal reserve and corporate subsidies. By focusing on welfare and poverty you are focusing on the symptoms rather than the disease.

I obviously don't agree with the welfare state, but I agree with Ron Paul that we need to end our foreign empire first, then return to an honest monetary system before thinking about taking away money that poor people have become dependent on. Eventually the welfare state would be obsolete because we would be very prosperous once we got rid of our foreign empire and brought on more free market principles.

Most people on the right don't actually believe in free market principles AND they support our warfare state.. How can you possibly agree with them just because they want to get rid of the welfare state when that is the LAST step in the process?!

Well, here's where I disagree with Ron Paul. It doesn't have to be the last step in the process.

I think most people disagree with the war more than they do the welfare state. Almost nobody knows why we are in Iraq or Afghanistan or why we should stay there. The people in this country aren't killers although they may be apathetic to the obvious killing done in their name.

The welfare state is different because there are so many different facets to it. It comes in the form of food stamps, subsidies, perscription drugs, social security, medicare, medicaid, higher education, bailouts, etc. People have less of a problem with the welfare state and that's the problem. It has turned the US into a nation of thieves. Everybody expects something from the government, and if you aren't getting anything, then you are getting the short end of the stick. It is completely immoral and probably harder to eradicate than our wars. But if the chance comes by to get rid of any of these things, we should take advantage and abolish it.

I wouldn't place steps to smaller government in any particular order. If the chance comes by, its an opportunity that should not be wasted.

[dannno]

Well, here's where I disagree with Ron Paul. It doesn't have to be the last step in the process.

I think most people disagree with the war more than they do the welfare state. Almost nobody knows why we are in Iraq or Afghanistan or why we should stay there. The people in this country aren't killers although they may be apathetic to the obvious killing done in their name.

The welfare state is different because there are so many different facets to it. It comes in the form of food stamps, subsidies, perscription drugs, social security, medicare, medicaid, higher education, bailouts, etc. People have less of a problem with the welfare state and that's the problem. It has turned the US into a nation of thieves. Everybody expects something from the government, and if you aren't getting anything, then you are getting the short end of the stick. It is completely immoral and probably harder to eradicate than our wars. But if the chance comes by to get rid of any of these things, we should take advantage and abolish it.

I wouldn't place steps to smaller government in any particular order. If the chance comes by, its an opportunity that should not be wasted.


Yes, but you still have to realize that poverty is a direct result of the Federal Reserve and our dishonest monetary policy combined with corporate subsidies and war mongering.. It's not a result of people being inherently lazy, people are being lazy because a good portion of the wealth they earn is destroyed via taxation or inflation. They have no incentive.. so give people an incentive to work and slowly people will get out of the system.. then places that still need welfare, well, the responsibility can be transferred to the state, and then the people can have a bigger part in the decision making process.

The government is supposed to work FOR the people. So lets fix the problems that cause poverty and let the welfare state become obsolete over time..

[Reason]

And to refute some of you, DemocracyNow DOES in fact have a huge problem with Obama's foreign policy.

If you don't ever listen to the show then I don't know how you could possibly have an opinion on that subject.

They also report a lot of stories that don't get reported here or in the mainstream media or on infowars.. They are like the left-wing infowars, they even had Burmas and his cohort on to debate the Popular Mechanics folks a while back. I don't agree with them entirely on politics, however they generally provide good information, especially compared to the MSM. They aren't my #1 source for news, but occasionally I'll switch them on during my 10 minute drive home from work..

I definitely wouldn't call them the "left-wing infowars" because in my opinion that would severely diminish their credibility to compare them a site that talks about Michelle Obama's satanic hand gestures...

I would agree with pretty much everything else you said in that post tho, they most definitely have major problems with interventionist foreign policy and are very hawkish in regard to protecting civil liberties.

--also--

Amy Goodman in action

(stopped her broadcast to go down and demand information on journalists that had been arrested)

Cops weren't interested and arrested her on the spot.

YouTube - Amy Goodman Arrested at RNC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlFN4owZ0OE)

[dr. hfn]

convert them! wake them up!

[Liberty Star]

Love the criminal, hate the crime LOL

Let's do it Jesus' way.

[KAYA]

Please refer to the first sentence of my signature. :rolleyes:

Then go read this post
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2311916&postcount=12

And then take your ad hominem and shove it. :cool:




I asked a question, you answered. Fair enough, but then you had to go and be an ass about it.

[Reason]

I asked a question, you answered. Fair enough, but then you had to go and be an ass about it.

I apologize. I do realize we are on the same team. I have a pet peeve when it comes to ad hominem's is all.

[LittleLightShining]

They aren't waking anyone up...

They are manipulating and shifting them in an organized unproductive direction leading directly back into the false left/right paradigm.I agree with you but we can't just give up on them. They are this close. It's frustrating, even here where we've (VTC4L) has been a major part of every single tea party event since April 15 (except this past Saturday which was a march). The people that are involved, getting involved enough to lead some of these things... VT C4L just wrapped up a 2 week stint at the Vermont State Fair. Because of the long commitment it was decided that we could share a part of the booth with the tea party folks in exchange for help in manning it. I spent Sunday afternoon with a local TP organizer in the booth. She was telling me about the march in Montpelier on Saturday.

All I heard was how they were chanting "USA USA" and her schpiel at the fair entirely consisted of "Stop spending, no more taxes, no govt healthcare, enough is enough. Join the tea party movement and be a part of something bigger than yourself." Ok, well fine. But no where in there was there any talk of the Constitution, no discussion of what we can do to produce a change in Montpelier or Washington. It's all about blaming the dirty stinkin liberals.

We have to stay involved because the people who are turning out to these things need to hear our message. They need a voice of reason presence not loony hysteria. The lack of LP presence speaks loudly to their ineffectiveness as a party. This would have been a prime opportunity for them to cash in on the disillusionment these folks feel toward both parties. Instead the people will be herded toward whatever Republican Glenn Beck is told to promote nationally and ANYone with an R after their name here.


Yes, There is too much time spent on issues. Its left/right all over. Any talking head can blow with the wind of popular opinion on specific issues. The media trumpets this.

There is only one principle, a philosophy to hold minds through the tough choices. It is all that matters. That's sticking to the Constitution. Its an underlying philosophy that Beck and 99.999% of politicians do not entirely get. Constitutionally limited government is the Alpha and the Omega for any hope of personal freedom to prevailing in the current atmosphere.

The Tea Parties are dangerously close to the old paradigms of democracy, anarchy, or agendas of any one issue. Limited Constitutional Government is the core of what the Tea Party movement should invest time and energy into implementing. The movement will latch onto this very soon or its going to usurped and hijacked by the slickest talking head with an issue specific agenda. Left right all over again.The lack of focus on the Constitution by leadership in the tea party movement concerns me.




Civil: you convinced me. We should distance ourselves from everyone that doesn't agree with us 100%. We should stop trying to make change in this country. We should just sit on our forum, which is our security blanket and screaming post and complain. Not doing anything (other then sending some money or commenting on Youtube) to try to win over the minds of as many people as we can. You know, like the enemies of Liberty do on a daily basis.

I went to the marches, totally aware of who was going to be there. I had people listening. I had people asking about the Fed. I gave out copies of Dr. Paul's new book. Now if everyone on this forum, along with the millions of Ron Paul Libertarians made a point to go there, what a statement that would have made.

Stop making it Us vs them and them and them. We will only continue to be slaves if all we do is complain.Good points.


What's with your signature link to Democracy Now? Those guys are uber-progressives? How could anyone with libertarian or conservative political leanings support such a site?


And to refute some of you, DemocracyNow DOES in fact have a huge problem with Obama's foreign policy.

If you don't ever listen to the show then I don't know how you could possibly have an opinion on that subject.

They also report a lot of stories that don't get reported here or in the mainstream media or on infowars.. They are like the left-wing infowars, they even had Burmas and his cohort on to debate the Popular Mechanics folks a while back. I don't agree with them entirely on politics, however they generally provide good information, especially compared to the MSM. They aren't my #1 source for news, but occasionally I'll switch them on during my 10 minute drive home from work..I like Democracy Now, too. I don't agree with the politics much of the time, but it's real journalism.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

hitler was a socialist? I thought he was a fascist. But wait, the nazi part was a socialist party. OH GAWD I'M CONFUSED

[Bucjason]

hitler was a socialist? I thought he was a fascist. But wait, the nazi part was a socialist party. OH GAWD I'M CONFUSED

Obama is a fascist in control of a socialist party also....it's really good marriage for the two , as the philosophies aren't that far apart , and a fascist is better at forcing the agenda.

[Bucjason]

I don't think you understand what the concern over FNC is.

What better way to discredit a movement than to pretend to embrace it and then act like a jackass. This is what Beck is doing. This is what some of his followers ?

...and let me guess , you are all for Alex Jones and HIS supporters, becasue they neeeeeeeever act like Jackasses and embarrass the movemement , lol. :rolleyes:

[LibertyEagle]

hitler was a socialist? I thought he was a fascist. But wait, the nazi part was a socialist party. OH GAWD I'M CONFUSED

Nazi = National Socialist

[Eric21ND]

Uh no. Beck has been screaming from the rooftops about bipartisan corruption. Romney and Palin aren't the answer to this complicated problem.
Beck likes Romney and Palin though.

[Sandra]

Glen Beck confesses his #1 loyalty is FOX:


http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/09/15/obama-turn-news-npr/

[Reason]

Glen Beck confesses his #1 loyalty is FOX:


[/URL][URL]http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/09/15/obama-turn-news-npr/ (http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/09/15/obama-turn-news-npr/)

---> The guy pulling the strings <--

I don't think enough people on this forum are familiar with how Faux News came to be.

They used to be a "legitimate" news channel on the level of CNN and MSNBC (hardly legit but still) then Faux was purchased by Murdoch.

Murdoch then proceeded to fire everyone that refused to support his agenda.

Murdoch sends memo's every day on what to cover and what not to cover.

The announcers get pats on the backs and raises for coming up with catchy little phrases and terms that will catch on with the public that fit the stated agenda.

While all MSM these days is a complete sham, Faux news is by far the worst in the sense of propaganda.

Literally purchased and taken over to be used to advance the agenda of a billionaire neocon.

YouTube - Murdoch of Fox News Admits Manipulating the News for Agenda (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K2pLo8JV5Y)

[Annihilia]

...and let me guess , you are all for Alex Jones and HIS supporters, becasue they neeeeeeeever act like Jackasses and embarrass the movemement , lol. :rolleyes:

Who said I'm for AJ?

I think the guy does put out legitimate info at times, but then he goes off acting like a jackass with his angry tirades, butterfly impersonations, and accusations of NWO occult worship.

The only reason why I'm not up in arms about Jones is that he does not have the media presence of Beck/FOX and people think he's representative of the extreme fringe, not mainstream libertarianism. Plus I sincerely believe Jones believes everything he says, versus Beck who is an opportunistic piece of shit.

[Reason]

Who said I'm for AJ?

I think the guy does put out legitimate info at times, but then he goes off acting like a jackass with his angry tirades, butterfly impersonations, and accusations of NWO occult worship.

The only reason why I'm not up in arms about Jones is that he does not have the media presence of Beck/FOX and people think he's representative of the extreme fringe, not mainstream libertarianism. Plus I sincerely believe Jones believes everything he says, versus Beck who is an opportunistic piece of shit.

Indeed.

In reference to AJ & GB...

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2318755&postcount=3