Tea Parties lack "diversity".

[Dunedain]

I went to a Tea Party in Troy, Michigan. I didn't see a single minority in the entire crowd. There were about 4000 people there, and Troy is quite a diverse city.

The crowd in D.C. was similiarly quite undiverse.....

I expect the liberty to movement to be framed as a nazi/racist/Hitlerite hate campaign by the media should it begin to take off.

[max]

I went to a Tea Party in Troy, Michigan. I didn't see a single minority in the entire crowd. There were about 4000 people there, and Troy is quite a diverse city.
The crowd in D.C. was similiarly very undiverse.

Why?

Cuz blacks and hispanics have been brainwashed by their paid "leaders" to think that socialism is good and that whitey is evil

[Flash]

neo nazis !11!111!1

[AuH20]

Unfortunately, a large segment of blacks and hispanics especially love their daddy gov despite it's white face. Very odd love/hate relationship.

[BlackTerrel]

It's not a good thing. Considering whites are only about 60% of the population (and shrinking rapidly) it doesn't speak good things about the future of the cause.

[Dunedain]

Unfortunately, a large segment of blacks and hispanics especially love their daddy gov despite it's white face. Very odd love/hate relationship.

What about Asians? Indians? They don't leech off the government generally. Why aren't they up in arms?

[Flash]

I think we can manage to bring blacks to Conservatism if we tried hard enough. Hispanics.... I seriously doubt they will ever mass convert.

[max]

What about Asians? Indians? They don't leech off the government generally. Why aren't they up in arms?

Those people come from cultures where authority is highly respected. Rebellion isn't in their cultural make up.

[AuH20]

I think we can manage to bring blacks to Conservatism if we tried hard enough. Hispanics.... I seriously doubt they will ever mass convert.

Blacks are a lost cause because of the exploitation done by slavery, segregation and later the Great Society programs. Their culture and family unit has been destroyed and for obvious reasons they're more likely to be receptive to a collectivist platform.

[Epic]

Black people will mostly just vote for Obama because he's black.

But maybe after Obama kills the economy some of them will do a bit of research or more in-depth thinking.

[Dunedain]

I think it is amazing because I never see huge all white crowds anywhere...even at the Renassiance Festival and the Star Trek convention there must be 5% minority roughtly.

The fact that the Liberty movement is almost entirely a "white movement" is impossible to deny. Whatever the excuse/rationalization for non-whites staying home to watch whitey take to the streets, the facts on the ground still stand: the liberty movement is not supported by any other group other than white americans - odd exceptions aside.

I'm very disappointed the media hasn't broken out the KKK jokes and David Duke references at this point. Maybe they are afraid we'll all get sick of the B.S.? The sooner we can fight that battle and win it the better off we'll be.

[Sic Semper Tyrannis]

damn collectivist culture.

[ShowMeLiberty]

I almost hate to say this because it probably sounds racist and collectivist, but I think blacks, as a group, have a lot invested in Obama being seen as a successful president. I can understand that kind of group pride in a "local kid makes it big" sort of way, and I can understand why they wouldn't be ready to start protesting against him yet.

In time though, we may see more diversity. Especially if the dollar bubble pops on Obama's watch. It won't be entirely his fault but he will get the blame and things will be so bad that not even the historic nature of his presidency will be enough to shield him from the diverse, angry mobs.

[Liberty Star]

I went to a Tea Party in Troy, Michigan. I didn't see a single minority in the entire crowd. There were about 4000 people there, and Troy is quite a diverse city.

The crowd in D.C. was similiarly quite undiverse.....

I expect the liberty to movement to be framed as a nazi/racist/Hitlerite hate campaign by the media should it begin to take off.


I had read similar critique few days ago in one of the liberal leaning google news reports or blogs, but it seems to track demographic pattern of current Republican party if these claims are true.


Quote:

DeMint Blames Lack of Tea Party Crowd Diversity on Timing, Media

By Aaron Wiener 9/12/09 3:58 PM

The turnout to today’s Tea Party was indisputably high — likely in the hundreds tens of thousands (though organizers claimed it reached 1.5 million). But racially diverse it was not. And according to Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.), that’s the fault of the event’s timing and the media coverage.

“If anyone does a fair analysis of the crowd, it’s a cross-section of the population,” he said in a phone interview.

I agreed that it was a geographically and economically diverse crowd, but I noted that the protesters were at least 99 percent white — in fact, in my four-plus hours at the event, I’d only seen three African-American demonstrators.

DeMint had a simple explanation. “It’s probably just the time and organization and the media that promoted it,” he said.

Well, that explains that.

Update: Thanks to our readers for bringing more realistic crowd size estimates to my attention.

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lillith2008
I am a Black female who did not--- will not support this Administration. This movement is an American movement.

http://washingtonindependent.com/58811/demint-blames-lack-of-crowd-diversity-on-timing-media




However glenn beck had debunked this myth and had proved it by showing 3-4 black participants on TV including Pastor Stephen Broden few days ago. I'm not sure there is youtoob of that online or not.

[Dunedain]

I had read similar critique few days ago in one of the liberal leaning google news reports or blogs, but it seems to track demographic pattern of current Republican party if these claims are true.


Quote:

DeMint Blames Lack of Tea Party Crowd Diversity on Timing, Media

By Aaron Wiener 9/12/09 3:58 PM

The turnout to today’s Tea Party was indisputably high — likely in the hundreds tens of thousands (though organizers claimed it reached 1.5 million). But racially diverse it was not. And according to Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.), that’s the fault of the event’s timing and the media coverage.

“If anyone does a fair analysis of the crowd, it’s a cross-section of the population,” he said in a phone interview.

I agreed that it was a geographically and economically diverse crowd, but I noted that the protesters were at least 99 percent white — in fact, in my four-plus hours at the event, I’d only seen three African-American demonstrators.

DeMint had a simple explanation. “It’s probably just the time and organization and the media that promoted it,” he said.

Well, that explains that.

Update: Thanks to our readers for bringing more realistic crowd size estimates to my attention.

You can follow TWI on Twitter and Facebook.

lillith2008
I am a Black female who did not--- will not support this Administration. This movement is an American movement.

http://washingtonindependent.com/58811/demint-blames-lack-of-crowd-diversity-on-timing-media




However glenn beck had debunked this myth and had proved it by showing 3-4 black participants on TV including Pastor Stephen Broden few days ago. I'm not sure there is youtoob of that online or not.


Let the rationalization begin! They just can't come out and state the truth can they. Minorities generally DO NOT support the liberty movement because of their racial interest lie elsewhere.

[max]

Let the rationalization begin! They just can't come out and state the truth can they. Minorities generally DO NOT support the liberty movement because of their racial interest lie elsewhere.

Socialism gives lesser achieving races the right to plunder whitey's pockets.

[Liberty Star]

Let the rationalization begin! They just can't come out and state the truth can they. Minorities generally DO NOT support the liberty movement because of their racial interest lie elsewhere.

I have a different view on this, many of the current Tea Parties, at least those ran back to back on Fox, seem to have become Republican party establishment led show. We might as well say minorities don't support 'Republican Party' instead of using the term 'Liberty' here.
I have seen more diversity among Libertarians who support RP's ideas than current tea parties crowd that may have good part of it galvanized by Fox/Glenn Beck, Dick Armey, Hannity etc. You see posters of neocons like Mark Levine, Hannity, Beck in these Tea Parties.

RP's libertaraian message in contrast was based on principles and reverberated across all political boundaries, RP had few times even stressed common things between his and Obama supporters during campaign to attarct some of them.



BTW, after few clicks found this clip of Pastor mentioned in above post though it's not the one I saw on Fox few days ago:

YouTube - Glenn Beck & Pastor Broden: "We Are Losing Our Freedom" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oMHCGWbkwA&feature=related)

[FrankRep]

I went to a Tea Party in Troy, Michigan. I didn't see a single minority in the entire crowd. There were about 4000 people there, and Troy is quite a diverse city.

The crowd in D.C. was similiarly quite undiverse.....

I expect the liberty to movement to be framed as a nazi/racist/Hitlerite hate campaign by the media should it begin to take off.
Everyone who loves liberty is invited to join.

[LibertyEagle]

I think we can manage to bring blacks to Conservatism if we tried hard enough. Hispanics.... I seriously doubt they will ever mass convert.

There are some Mexican-Americans with us. The illegal aliens sure aren't though.

[Dionysus]

My balls also lack diversity.

I want all races to be out there with us. Come on!

[FrankRep]

There are some Mexican-Americans with us. The illegal aliens sure aren't though.

Plus, I would add, the Mexican-Americans who go through tough process of becoming legal certainly don't want the "illegals" giving them a bad name.

[sirgonzo420]

Why is an all white crowd scarier than an all black crowd or a "La Raza" convention?

Look at the pictures of garbage-covered streets after the Obama inauguration versus the pictures from after the 9/12 rally.

We need to drop all the P.C. bullshit -- the Liberty movement is open to all, and any friend to Liberty is a friend of mine, regardless of race. Having said that, I'm not at all surprised that the 9/12 event was 99% white, and that other races tend not to take an interest in Liberty.

The "Liberty movement" tends to run counter to the ideals of the majority of blacks. Besides, countless blacks support 0bama for his color alone.




However, if you want to attract a more "diverse crowd", you can start a rumor that there will be free KFC at Liberty-minded functions....

[tangent4ronpaul]

After the "health care" (sic) bill passes and god forbid "cap and trade", a lot of people that are forced to buy health insurance and see their utility bills go up 60% simply won't be able to make ends meet. Things like paying rent or putting food on the table. Then we will see a lot of minorities join the movement.

-t

[tonesforjonesbones]

lol@sirg..

well, I have to agree. Nobody is stopping black folks or any other minority or group...I have seen some black people waking up. My nurse at the dr's office came in while obama was making his speech to the school kids. she waved her hand and rolled her eyes and said''they're all the same". She said she voted for him because she wanted to see a black president but didn't have any confidence that he would do the right things. go figure. tones

[Dreamofunity]

I have more in common with Walter Williams than I do with John Edwards, although we're arguably more diverse visually.

Which really matters?

"Diversity" in this topic's context is pointless imo. I'd consider myself more diverse from Edwards than Williams.

[dealerjim]

Why does everyone insist that Obama is black? Hello... He's just as white as he is black. In case everyone forgot, his mother was as white as a klan uniform. To be racist towards Obama is like being racist towards your own race if you're black or white. lol

[Fr3shjive]

Why is an all white crowd scarier than an all black crowd or a "La Raza" convention?

Look at the pictures of garbage-covered streets after the Obama inauguration versus the pictures from after the 9/12 rally.

We need to drop all the P.C. bullshit -- the Liberty movement is open to all, and any friend to Liberty is a friend of mine, regardless of race. Having said that, I'm not at all surprised that the 9/12 event was 99% white, and that other races tend not to take an interest in Liberty.

The "Liberty movement" tends to run counter to the ideals of the majority of blacks. Besides, countless blacks support 0bama for his color alone.




However, if you want to attract a more "diverse crowd", you can start a rumor that there will be free KFC at Liberty-minded functions....

Real dumb. The racism is strong with this one.

Yes, all black people are the same and if you offer fried chicken they'll show up to tea parties. /sarcasm.

You sound like an idiot and bring down the liberty movement more than you could ever help it.

[Objectivist]

How many "white" people did you see here?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/The_million_march_man.jpg

[NerveShocker]

People please calm down I can't bare to hear this from a crowd that I myself claim to be a part of. There are way too many comments on here that are very racist.. and I won't quote you all.. but you should know who you are.

This is not about black and white if it was then black people would hate white people and vice versa. This is about Democrat and Republican (meaning everyone has been fooled) and yes the majority of blacks are democrats but if you think there arn't tons of democrats who are white you're foolish.

I'm telling you right now it's no harder to convince an African American to support the cause of liberty and freedom than it is to convince a Caucasian. I live in arguably one of the most liberal cities in the United States, Evanston, Illinois. I have black friends, white, Asian, Hispanic, and every true friend I have has followed me on the path towards as Ron Paul said freedom, peace, and prosperity. This is not a about race. It's about speaking the truth and respecting the others opinions especially when you disagree. If you speak the truth and don't resort to anger or losing your cool anyone can be awakened. Remember if people are not responding to you in a positive way it's almost always because you are approaching them in the wrong manner, not because they refuse to listen.

[SelfTaught]

Real dumb. The racism is strong with this one.

Yes, all black people are the same and if you offer fried chicken they'll show up to tea parties. /sarcasm.

You sound like an idiot and bring down the liberty movement more than you could ever help it.

Calm down. The poster you are responding to made some good points. We need to forget the PC nonsense. I think it would be a waste of time trying to diversify our movement. The information is out there for anyone to find and read. So what if mostly white people are the ones to find it?

Should we expect some sort of even proportion of liberty lovers for each race? No. That's ridiculous. For many blacks, publicly coming out to denounce a black president might lead to getting labeled an uncle tom or shunned from their race. Not to mention, blacks are the most loyal when it comes to partisanship. They OVERWHELMINGLY vote for the democrats and not even give a second thought about it. Thats not some stereotype, thats a fact.

Who cares if the liberty movement is 99% white? Be proud of what you believe in and shake off the racist accusations. The MSM will hurl accusations and labels at the liberty movement no matter how "diverse" it is. We have economic and geographic diversity. Should we be worried about being diverse in something as trivial as race?

And if we can't make fried chicken jokes, what kind of country do we live in? We shouldn't lure black people into the movement with KFC.......Popeyes, Churches Chicken, and Harolds would be better choices, right BlackTerrell?:eek:

[Dunedain]

People please calm down I can't bare to hear this from a crowd that I myself claim to be a part of. There are way too many comments on here that are very racist.. and I won't quote you all.. but you should know who you are.

This is not about black and white if it was then black people would hate white people and vice versa. This is about Democrat and Republican (meaning everyone has been fooled) and yes the majority of blacks are democrats but if you think there arn't tons of democrats who are white you're foolish.

I'm telling you right now it's no harder to convince an African American to support the cause of liberty and freedom than it is to convince a Caucasian. I live in arguably one of the most liberal cities in the United States, Evanston, Illinois. I have black friends, white, Asian, Hispanic, and every true friend I have has followed me on the path towards as Ron Paul said freedom, peace, and prosperity. This is not a about race. It's about speaking the truth and respecting the others opinions especially when you disagree. If you speak the truth and don't resort to anger or losing your cool anyone can be awakened. Remember if people are not responding to you in a positive way it's almost always because you are approaching them in the wrong manner, not because they refuse to listen.

I certainly won't be consulting anyone to evaluate if my statements are P.C. enough or not to post - I'm be posting my observations if the tea parties and if you think judge they are racist maybe you should simply refute them.

So - if minorities (as you claim) are so freedom-loving why did none of them show up at the 4,000 man rally in troy? Did they just skip the D.C. protest because they all had to work that day at the same time? If this has nothing to do with race, as you claim, then why is only one race showing up? Why are not all your freedom loving black friends that you claim are such great liberty patriots down there with us?

[Objectivist]

They lacked diversity?:eek: OK next time I'll hire the stripers and the limo.:cool:

[Fr3shjive]

There is no problem with forgetting PC nonsense but to make broad generalizations about blacks and hispanics is doing nothing for the cause.

"Serving tacos and fried chicken might get us more latinos and blacks at the tea parties."- Im sure any minority coming to this website will feel completely welcomed with racist comments like these. Give me a break. There is a big difference in being proud of the liberty movement and making racist jokes because there arent enough minorities at the tea parties.

Ron Paul would be disappointed with the racism on this board.

[Objectivist]

There is no problem with forgetting PC nonsense but to make broad generalizations about blacks and hispanics is doing nothing for the cause.

"Serving tacos and fried chicken might get us more latinos and blacks at the tea parties."- Im sure any minority coming to this website will feel completely welcomed with racist comments like these. Give me a break. There is a big difference in being proud of the liberty movement and making racist jokes because there arent enough minorities at the tea parties.

Ron Paul would be disappointed with the racism on this board.

WHo made the taco and chicken remark? That's asinine!

[Dunedain]

WHo made the taco and chicken remark? That's asinine!

...and poor tactically. Food stamps would be much more effective. The government use these to turn out the minority vote with great success.

[SelfTaught]

There is no problem with forgetting PC nonsense but to make broad generalizations about blacks and hispanics is doing nothing for the cause.

"Serving tacos and fried chicken might get us more latinos and blacks at the tea parties."- Im sure any minority coming to this website will feel completely welcomed with racist comments like these. Give me a break. There is a big difference in being proud of the liberty movement and making racist jokes because there arent enough minorities at the tea parties.

Ron Paul would be disappointed with the racism on this board.

First of all, many if not most Americans enjoy tacos and fried chicken. If you offer free tacos and fried chicken, then even a "chink" like myself would even attend, just for the free food. I'm tired of labeling people as racist, especially when they do not deserve it.

My definition of racism is when one thinks that races are divided by inferiority or superiority. Just because black people like fried chicken, or asians like rice and hanging ducks in the window, or mexicans like beans and tacos, does not confer some sort of inferior/superior distinction. If I could lure white people in so easily with a Dave Matthews concert, I would.

Stop calling everything disagreeable racist. I think you help the liberals and hurt the liberty movement by doing this.

[LittleLightShining]

I think it is amazing because I never see huge all white crowds anywhere...even at the Renassiance Festival and the Star Trek convention there must be 5% minority roughtly.

The fact that the Liberty movement is almost entirely a "white movement" is impossible to deny. Whatever the excuse/rationalization for non-whites staying home to watch whitey take to the streets, the facts on the ground still stand: the liberty movement is not supported by any other group other than white americans - odd exceptions aside.

I'm very disappointed the media hasn't broken out the KKK jokes and David Duke references at this point. Maybe they are afraid we'll all get sick of the B.S.? The sooner we can fight that battle and win it the better off we'll be.How does one even respond to this without sounding like a racist? I live in the whitest state in the union. I didn't go to the 912 tea party but the 4th of July tp that I attended and spoke at (maybe 150 people in attendance) there was a black guy AND a Mexican immigrant. I ended up talking to the Mexican guy for a long time afterwards. He was a legal immigrant who came here 20 some odd years ago because he believed in our Constitution.

One black guy and one Mexican guy may not seem like a lot but I see maybe 2 or 3 Mexican folks a month, maybe even less than that. I see black people around here maybe a few times a week and I live in one of the more populated areas of the state.


damn collectivist culture.+ 1 million


Real dumb. The racism is strong with this one.

Yes, all black people are the same and if you offer fried chicken they'll show up to tea parties. /sarcasm.

You sound like an idiot and bring down the liberty movement more than you could ever help it.Yep.

[sirgonzo420]

Real dumb. The racism is strong with this one.

Yes, all black people are the same and if you offer fried chicken they'll show up to tea parties. /sarcasm.

You sound like an idiot and bring down the liberty movement more than you could ever help it.

No, of course all black people aren't the same - but they are more likely to show up to Liberty-minded events if there is free fried chicken. Do you disagree?



Perhaps there is a reason that the events are mostly white - in general, perhaps whites value Liberty more than other races.

But part of the world's problems are caused by trying to inject "diversity" where it should not be.

[SelfTaught]

But part of the world's problems are caused by trying to inject "diversity" where it should not be.

A MINORITY VIEW

BY WALTER WILLIAMS

RELEASE: WEDNESDAY, JULY 22, 2009



The Racism of Diversity



The U.S. Naval Academy's PowerPoint display explains diversity by saying, "Diversity is all the different characteristics and attributes of individual sailors and civilians which enhance the mission readiness of the Navy," adding that: "Diversity is more than equal opportunity, race, gender or religion. Diversity is the understanding of how each of us brings different skills, talents and experiences to the fight -- and valuing those differences. Leveraging diversity creates an environment of excellence and continuous improvement to remove artificial achievement barriers and value the contribution of all participants." Admiral Gary Roughead, chief of Naval Operations, says that "diversity is the No. 1 priority" at the academy.

Diversity at the Naval Academy, as at most academic institutions, is not about equal opportunity but a race and sex spoils system to achieve what the Navy brass see as a pleasing race and sex mix. They accomplish that vision by the removal of "artificial achievement barriers." Let's go over what the Naval Academy sees as an artificial achievement barrier. A black candidate with B and C grades, with no particular leadership qualities, and 500 on both portions of the SAT, is virtually guaranteed admittance. A white student, who's not an athlete, with such scores is deemed not qualified.

Many black students are admitted to the Naval Academy through remedial training at the Naval Academy Preparatory School (NAPS) in Newport, R.I., which is a one-year post-secondary school. Finishing the year with a 2.0 GPA, a C average, almost guarantees admission to the academy. A C average for remedial work is nothing to write home about. Occasionally, when students don't make the 2.0 GPA target, the target is renegotiated downward. Minority applicants with SAT scores down to the 300s and with Cs and Ds grades (and no particular leadership or athletics) are also admitted after a remedial year at the Naval Academy Preparatory School.

Bruce Fleming, an English professor at the academy for 22 years, teaches a remedial English class and finds that in his spring 2009 class, most of NAPS's students earn Cs and Ds and many are on probation. About seven years ago Professor Fleming was on the admissions board, where the standing instruction is not to write anything down because "everything is 'FOI'able" -- meaning it can be demanded under the Freedom of Information Act. Such an instruction highlights the dishonesty of race preferences. The dishonesty doesn't stop there. The academy will go to great lengths to retain black students. When Professor Fleming charged a black student with plagiarism, he was not properly informed of the hearing and subsequently the student's peer group found him not guilty. Honor violations by black students are usually "remediated."

I suspected that the Naval Academy's diversity agenda would give rise to resentments so I asked Professor Fleming about it. He said there are two levels of resentment. Some black students, who were admitted to the academy meritoriously on the same basis as white students, resent the idea of being seen as having the same academic qualities as blacks who were given preferential treatment, in other words being dumb. Another level of resentment comes from white students who see blacks as being admitted and retained at lower levels of academic performance and being treated with kid gloves. If these whites openly complained about the unequal treatment, they would run the risk of being labeled as racists. This is one of the unappreciated aspects of preferential treatment. It runs the risk of creating racist attitudes, and possibly feelings of racial superiority, among whites and others who were formerly racially neutral.

Colleges and universities with racially preferential admittance policies are doing a great disservice to blacks in another, mostly ignored, way. By admitting poorly prepared blacks, they are helping to conceal the grossly fraudulent education the blacks receive at the K through 12 grades.

Walter E. Williams is a professor of economics at George Mason University. To find out more about Walter E. Williams and read features by other Creators Syndicate writers and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate Web page at www.creators.com.

COPYRIGHT 2009 CREATORS.COM

[rrcamp]

No, of course all black people aren't the same - but they are more likely to show up to Liberty-minded events if there is free fried chicken. Do you disagree?



Perhaps there is a reason that the events are mostly white - in general, perhaps whites value Liberty more than other races.

But part of the world's problems are caused by trying to inject "diversity" where it should not be.

I can't believe I'm reading this shit on RPF. With statements like this, you not only push away 40% of the American population from the Liberty Movement, but you also push away a MASSIVE population of white Americans who won't listen to this shit anymore. Instead of looking at racial tendencies to explain the lack of diversity at our march, perhaps you should look in the mirror; people like you in our movement do more to make us unappealing to minorities than any BS "racial tendencies".

If you really want to see our movement progress, please keep this crap to yourself.

[paulitics]

I went to a Tea Party in Troy, Michigan. I didn't see a single minority in the entire crowd. There were about 4000 people there, and Troy is quite a diverse city.

The crowd in D.C. was similiarly quite undiverse.....

I expect the liberty to movement to be framed as a nazi/racist/Hitlerite hate campaign by the media should it begin to take off.

It already has taken off, and it already has been labled as a racist campaign.

[The Deacon]

My 2 cents of advice is to leave the bigoted crap at home (or put it on FreeRepublic :D) if we want to get anywhere.

[sirgonzo420]

I can't believe I'm reading this shit on RPF. With statements like this, you not only push away 40% of the American population from the Liberty Movement, but you also push away a MASSIVE population of white Americans who won't listen to this shit anymore. Instead of looking at racial tendencies to explain the lack of diversity at our march, perhaps you should look in the mirror; people like you in our movement do more to make us unappealing to minorities than any BS "racial tendencies".

If you really want to see our movement progress, please keep this crap to yourself.

Oh, I see -- It's MY fault there aren't more blacks at the rallies!

It couldn't be that blacks tend to support 0bama and depend on the welfare state!

All I was saying, is that if we were to advertise FREE KFC, or FREE anything, we could likely attract more minorities. Do you disagree with this point?

How do you think the democratic party gets its minority votes? - HANDOUTS!



I will respect anyone worthy of my respect, regardless of their skin color. I hold doors open for all, and I certainly don't prohibit blacks from joining the Liberty movement.


To attract more blacks, I suggested handing out free stuff, as it has worked in the past.

Alternately, you could cruise through some black neighborhoods and try to recruit - you might have more success than I suspect.

[sirgonzo420]

My 2 cents of advice is to leave the bigoted crap at home (or put it on FreeRepublic :D) if we want to get anywhere.

I'm not bigoted.


I love all who love Liberty -- however, more whites tend to love Liberty than blacks.


What seems "racist" to me is the fact that the OP is concerned with our "lack of diversity".


Maybe we need quotas?


.

[The Deacon]

I'm not bigoted.


I love all who love Liberty -- however, more whites tend to love Liberty than blacks.


What seems "racist" to me is the fact that the OP is concerned with our "lack of diversity".


Maybe we need quotas?


.

I don't think you're bigoted or anyone in this thread is.

I think more whites love liberty because more of them have been exposed to the ideas and teachings. I'm not sure it's that blacks or hispanics hate liberty as much as they've barely heard of it. That's why the outreach is important, just as important as reaching out to a white person. Yes, it will be slightly tougher because the historic Black president is in. But they'll realize as much as anyone that the wars aren't ending and the economy isn't getting better, and they're getting the shaft by this administration as well.

[SelfTaught]

Maybe we need quotas?


.

Yes we do, we need to have a certain amount of diversity to be taken seriously as a opposition group. Big government all the way.

In fact I went to a pretty diverse high school in Chicago. It was a pretty evenly distributed among the races, which included whites, blacks, asians, and hispanics. But you know what? When it came to lunch time, you would still find the races congregating amongst themselves. You had blacks hanging out with blacks, asians hanging out with asians, and so forth. Thats not natural. We should make each lunch table racially diverse.

Go diversity.

[Fr3shjive]

I'm not bigoted.

Sure buddy. Im sure you even have a couple black friends too.


I love all who love Liberty -- however, more whites tend to love Liberty than blacks.

There you go again making your sweeping generalizations. lol @ your ignorance.



What seems "racist" to me is the fact that the OP is concerned with our "lack of diversity".

The original poster just pointed out an observation he/she made at a tea party, how is that racist?



Maybe we need quotas?

Simply because there arent "enough" blacks or latinos at the tea parties means nothing. As long as we keep a positive attitude and focus on the freedom message people of all races will join in.

[rrcamp]

All I was saying, is that if we were to advertise FREE KFC, or FREE anything, we could likely attract more minorities. Do you disagree with this point?

I do, because a free handout of any sort would attract people of all races and backgrounds. In fact, I seem to remember the latest billions in handouts not going to minorities, but rather majority-white executives and shareholders of our nation's largest companies.


Alternately, you could cruise through some black neighborhoods and try to recruit - you might have more success than I suspect.

In my younger, more naive years I went canvasing for one Democratic candidate in Pittsburgh's minority neighborhoods. What I noticed was that these people were the same as my own family: they vote one way because their position in society tells them that's how they should vote. The only way to reach these people - white or black - is to talk with them. I think even you would agree that insulting them with racial stereotypes won't get you anything but scorn.

[Bucjason]

It's because the left has succeeded in making minorities DEPENDENT on government hand-outs. Why would they want liberty when they get thier free government cheese instead??

" The government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul"

[tonesforjonesbones]

I am asking again for people to join me in paltalk. It's free to download and free to use. It is voice chat. I am an admin in a room with many "progressives", and a lot of black folks, if you want to know how they think, co;me into this chatroom. Believe me, they hate liberty..at least the ones represented here do. Their take is that the founders were slave owners and captialism never did anything for them, so why should they support that system. It's good to hear what they have to say, and they don't think ANYTHING is wrong with communism. Now, if you want to call me a bigot or racist, fine, I don't care...but that only serves to try to shut down honest discourse. I would LOVE to see a turn around of thinking in the black community and have many people of color join the liberty movement...but I just don't know how to get them to look at things in another way. www.paltalk.com TONES

[tonesforjonesbones]

Oh..and they say libertariansim is republican lite. tones

[The Deacon]

Oh..and they say libertariansim is republican lite. tones

I'd imagine we would have more luck with non-ideologically hardened people than with the devoted progressive/Marxist/fascist set. There are a lot people who aren't strongly committed, and don't have an extremely clear/confident opinion on why we are in this mess (including minorities), and that is where the message could work best IMO.

[Fr3shjive]

In my younger, more naive years I went canvasing for one Democratic candidate in Pittsburgh's minority neighborhoods. What I noticed was that these people were the same as my own family: they vote one way because their position in society tells them that's how they should vote. The only way to reach these people - white or black - is to talk with them. I think even you would agree that insulting them with racial stereotypes won't get you anything but scorn.

Correct!

That may be part of the reason that there arent more minorities in the Freedom movement. Many of them have been told to vote Democrat and will do so simply because its what they've been told since they're were little kids.

I think there are A LOT of minorities out there who agree with the Freedom movement and dont even know it. Personally, I was also one of those people who always voted Democrat just because I was always told that Democrats represented poor people. Many minorities may actually agree with your message if you talked to them instead of automatically assuming they dont love liberty as much as you because of their skin color.

[tonesforjonesbones]

I think you are right...I think we have to talk to the youth. The old farts like TONES are set in their ways...the young folks are going to get us out of this. We need more of the Youth for Liberty groups at colleges...I am in college right now, and there is no Youth for Liberty chapter. I'd like to start one, but I'm 53 years old..and I'm not sure the youth would listen to me. Maybe I can start it and just get a young person to be the president etc...and I'll just be a sponsor or something. Tones

[Cdn_for_liberty]

What about Asians? Indians? They don't leech off the government generally. Why aren't they up in arms?

I think Asians are generally fiscally conservative because people in Asian countries tend to have high savings and less government nanny programs to depend on.
The nanny programs are pretty much invented by Western countries.

[tonesforjonesbones]

Yes...I notice that many consult the NAACP website before they make any decisions. This is bad. Not free thinkers...the NAACP was founded by marxist jews...smh. Bolsheviks. That's the truth, and jews were the CEO's until the 1970's. tones

[AuH20]

I am asking again for people to join me in paltalk. It's free to download and free to use. It is voice chat. I am an admin in a room with many "progressives", and a lot of black folks, if you want to know how they think, co;me into this chatroom. Believe me, they hate liberty..at least the ones represented here do. Their take is that the founders were slave owners and captialism never did anything for them, so why should they support that system. It's good to hear what they have to say, and they don't think ANYTHING is wrong with communism. Now, if you want to call me a bigot or racist, fine, I don't care...but that only serves to try to shut down honest discourse. I would LOVE to see a turn around of thinking in the black community and have many people of color join the liberty movement...but I just don't know how to get them to look at things in another way. www.paltalk.com TONES

the black community went down the wrong path when they chose the nanny statism of King as opposed to the gritty common sense preached by X.

YouTube - The Truth About Government Handouts (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA3QE2dDy_w)

[constituent]

but I think blacks, as a group,

lol, there is no such thing as "blacks, as a group."


this thread is just shameful.

[constituent]

I have a different view on this, many of the current Tea Parties, at least those ran back to back on Fox, seem to have become Republican party establishment led show. We might as well say minorities don't support 'Republican Party' instead of using the term 'Liberty' here.
I have seen more diversity among Libertarians who support RP's ideas than current tea parties crowd that may have good part of it galvanized by Fox/Glenn Beck, Dick Armey, Hannity etc. You see posters of neocons like Mark Levine, Hannity, Beck in these Tea Parties.

You've hit the co-op on the head with this post. I find it almost humorous how so many individuals here have come to conflate fox and freedomworks' teaparties with the liberty movement. And then using this setup, they determine that "teh blacks just don't like liberty, 'cuz then they can't plunder whitey."

It's the branding. Well, and the type of dipshits drawn in by the finger puppet propagandists at fox news.

(some of us saw this coming, what... a year ago now?)

[specsaregood]

Yes, all black people are the same and if you offer fried chicken they'll show up to tea parties. /sarcasm.


While I do disagree with the tone of SG's statement, stereotypes are often reinforced by the people being stereotyped.

Example:
YouTube - Popeyes Runs Out of Chicken in Rochester, NY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pyW6w5B7Aw)
"You telling me I can't feed my children?"

[AuH20]

lol, there is no such thing as "blacks, as a group."


this thread is just shameful.

I understand your angle but as a monolithic group they support the president and his backward policies upwards of 90 percentile I believe.

[The Deacon]

Wait, isn't diversity an old wooden ship used in the Civil War era?

[constituent]

the black community went down the wrong path when they chose the nanny statism of King as opposed to the gritty common sense preached by X.


There is no "black community." You cannot continue to allow NAACP, Barry Soerto and the demhackk party to control the lexicon.

That said, I'm glad you've been paying attention to Malcolm X. IMO, would-be revolutionaries are not properly outfitted until they've begun to understand his struggles, successes and ultimate undoing (i'd say his betterment, but it got his ass waxed).

[constituent]

Sure buddy. Im sure you even have a couple black friends too.



lol, thread winna!

[Objectivist]

the black community went down the wrong path when they chose the nanny statism of King as opposed to the gritty common sense preached by X.

YouTube - The Truth About Government Handouts (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA3QE2dDy_w)

Just before the movie came out on X there were young men running around with ballcaps that had a big X on the front of them. Then after the movie came out and they got a dose of what he represented, they stopped wearing the hats and other merchandise with the X on it. I really appreciate his ideas and his thought process. There is much for people to learn from him if you have the capacity to learn.

[MelissaWV]

This thread really does fail.

It almost makes me, as a "minority," not want to be a part of things.

The number of patently ignorant threads about gender, race, and religion speak an awful lot more than whether or not "enough non-white" people could get the day off.

It's getting tiresome.

[Objectivist]

YouTube - Power of the Market - Welfare (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJWZ27OT16M)

[Dunedain]

This thread really does fail.

It almost makes me, as a "minority," not want to be a part of things.

The number of patently ignorant threads about gender, race, and religion speak an awful lot more than whether or not "enough non-white" people could get the day off.

It's getting tiresome.

Why don't more minorities join the freedom movement? It is a simple question. What is the answer? You are a minority you should know. Enlighten us.

[Light]

Why don't more minorities join the freedom movement? It is a simple question. What is the answer? You are a minority you should know. Enlighten us.

Well for one, it is because of being confrontational and kind of mean like you are being.

[Dunedain]

Well for one, it is because of being confrontational and kind of mean like you are being.

Someone about his question you didn't like?

[Eric Arthur Blair]

The Republican party is now the Whites party. Racial diversity always leads to polarization. No multi cultural society in history has ever survived for long. A nation is a people and a land, blood and soil.

[MelissaWV]

I don't speak for every minority any moreso than you speak for everyone of precisely your height or eye color.

This being said, I'm sure the distribution of eye color, weight, near-sightedness, left-handedness, literacy, education, or any other number of factors... do not match the national statistics on the same thing. How many illiterate people are reading this board? Well, there are illiterate people in the USA... so this movement obviously has a problem. How can we attract more people who can't read? How do we attract people who are 5.951 feet tall, precisely? I don't think we have enough people here of that height.

The absurdity isn't exclusive to my scenarios.

[KAYA]

I would love to figure out a how to get the minority community to wake up to the sham that is the Democrat party and join this liberty movement.

[literatim]

I would love to figure out a how to get the minority community to wake up to the sham that is the Democrat party and join this liberty movement.

You act as if they are asleep. There is a difference between not realizing you aren't free and not caring you aren't free.

[KAYA]

You act as if they are asleep. There is a difference between not realizing you aren't free and not caring you aren't free.

You don't think that there is an overwhelming segment of the minority community that actually believes the Democrat party is looking out for their best interest?

[literatim]

I think Asians are generally fiscally conservative because people in Asian countries tend to have high savings and less government nanny programs to depend on.
The nanny programs are pretty much invented by Western countries.

I see you've never actually looked into the social programs provided in Asian countries.


the black community went down the wrong path when they chose the nanny statism of King as opposed to the gritty common sense preached by X.

Malcom X was a communist, just like King.


You don't think that there is an overwhelming segment of the minority community that actually believes the Democrat party is looking out for their best interest?

I never said that. Self interest does not equal liberty to them. I am sure many are upset that their welfare check hasn't increased.

[Objectivist]

The Republican party is now the Whites party. Racial diversity always leads to polarization. No multi cultural society in history has ever survived for long. A nation is a people and a land, blood and soil.

Well Colin and JC jumped ship to the Obama-socialism Party..... maybe someone should ask why???

[Dreamofunity]

I don't speak for every minority any moreso than you speak for everyone of precisely your height or eye color.

This being said, I'm sure the distribution of eye color, weight, near-sightedness, left-handedness, literacy, education, or any other number of factors... do not match the national statistics on the same thing. How many illiterate people are reading this board? Well, there are illiterate people in the USA... so this movement obviously has a problem. How can we attract more people who can't read? How do we attract people who are 5.951 feet tall, precisely? I don't think we have enough people here of that height.

The absurdity isn't exclusive to my scenarios.

Beautifully said.


this thread is just shameful.

This.

[BlackTerrel]

No, of course all black people aren't the same - but they are more likely to show up to Liberty-minded events if there is free fried chicken. Do you disagree?


Man you are a jackass. Could you use a bigger font perhaps?

I imagine white people would enjoy free fried chicken as well.

[tonesforjonesbones]

The young people are going to save the day...the old folks are STUCK! tones

[jmdrake]

Cuz blacks and hispanics have been brainwashed by their paid "leaders" to think that socialism is good and that whitey is evil

Blacks and hispanics are no more "brainwashed" than the legions of whites who supported Bush. And for the record I was at the last tea party. I was non plused by all of the "Support Bush - Hate Obama" hypocrisy I saw. I didn't like the opening prayer that ended with "And Lord help us support Israel through whom who will fulfill prophecy and through whom we will receive salvation". There was also a speech that went on and on about how we must "support Israel" put on by some lady who had a HUGE Israel flag at her booth and a TINY U.S. flag. Note this two days before July 4th. :mad:

Note, there were a LOT of good people at that tea party (including several other blacks besides myself) but the organizers of THIS particular teaparty were clear neocon shills. If I had brought any black friends with me who were on the fence they would have asked me "Why have you thrown in your lot with these losers"? Get the beam out of your own eye before looking at the speck in the eyes of people of color.

[cheapseats]

Why is an all white crowd scarier than an all black crowd or a "La Raza" convention?


TOTALLY valid question.

[sirgonzo420]

While I do disagree with the tone of SG's statement, stereotypes are often reinforced by the people being stereotyped.

Example:
YouTube - Popeyes Runs Out of Chicken in Rochester, NY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pyW6w5B7Aw)
"You telling me I can't feed my children?"

LOL.... see? Fried chicken attracted blacks there.


Some in the Liberty movement are upset that more blacks do not join our cause.... I don't know what to do about that without "bribing" blacks with $$$ or fried chicken.

The movement is open to them, and in fact many blacks are already a part of the movement, but a great deal of them still seem to want the government to take care of them. They feel entitled.

The "Liberty movement" is at odds with a good deal of the black community because of how they feel the government should act in relation to the people.

If we want to attract blacks for the sake of attracting blacks, then lets hand out free chicken. (it'll work better than going door to door in the projects looking for libertarians)

I loathe the concept of "affirmative action" --- which was what this thread reminded me of. We need to take no special measures to attract blacks - we need to cater to no one.


Hell, lets make this website in spanish so we can attract more latinos to the movement!
:p

[sirgonzo420]

Man you are a jackass. Could you use a bigger font perhaps?

I imagine white people would enjoy free fried chicken as well.


Sure, I could've used a bigger font - but you already knew that; you were just being facetious.


Sure white people would enjoy free chicken; the goal of the (tongue-in-cheek) "free KFC" idea is not to attract less white people, but to attract extra black people; an aim which I am sure it could achieve.



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[jmdrake]

Sure, I could've used a bigger font - but you already knew that; you were just being facetious.


Sure white people would enjoy free chicken; the goal of the (tongue-in-cheek) "free KFC" idea is not to attract less white people, but to attract extra black people; an aim which I am sure it could achieve.



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Or you could combine a "tea party" rally with an "antiwar" rally. You know. Quit the hypocrisy coming from both sides? But that would make too much sense.

[sirgonzo420]

TOTALLY valid question.

The answer is because they are white.


Black crowds are fine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Million_Man_March)

"La Raza" is fine.

A crowd of (mostly) white people who love Liberty = TERROR TERROR TERROR!



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[Dunedain]

This being said, I'm sure the distribution of eye color, weight, near-sightedness, left-handedness, literacy, education, or any other number of factors... do not match the national statistics on the same thing.


I'm sure there were plenty of people with all eye colors at the D.C. protests. Some had glasses, some didn't. Some had degrees, some didn't. Some were right handed some left BUT I looked...I saw almost no minorities. There were NONE at the Troy protest out of 4,000 people.



How many illiterate people are reading this board?


illiterate people can't READ. Therefore they won't go on this forum. You saying that non-whites are freedom illiterate and that's why they weren't at the protest?

[Dunedain]

Just so you know...you're all a bunch of "racists". Know how I know? Well, the media told me so.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6836592.ece

[Vessol]

Cuz blacks and hispanics have been brainwashed by their paid "leaders" to think that socialism is good and that whitey is evil

Yes, because Obama jerks off to Marx :rolleyes:

[sirgonzo420]

Or you could combine a "tea party" rally with an "antiwar" rally. You know. Quit the hypocrisy coming from both sides? But that would make too much sense.

I'm sorry.


I'm not a fan of compulsory diversity, which is what this thread seems to favor (by saying diversity is "lacked"). I don't believe we should try to "recruit" minorities any more than we "recruit" anybody.

You are black, right?


You're here; why don't other black people see what you see?




I'm sorry for being "racist" for my "free KFC" comment, but I stand by it -- if you want more minorities (and white people) to show up to an event then offer free fried chicken. I don't advocate actually *doing* this; I was being sarcastic, but what I'm trying to say is that we should not worry with trying to attract certain demographics.


Liberty is not for everybody. It probably should be, but some people want no part of it. We shouldn't force it on them. If they like the message enough, they will join us.

[Bucjason]

Black people love entitlements. Democrats have secured thier votes for years simply by offering them free hand-outs. Republicans freed them from slavery , passed civil rights , and they don't get squat for votes , lol.

[jmdrake]

I'm sorry.


I'm not a fan of compulsory diversity, which is what this thread seems to favor (by saying diversity is "lacked"). I don't believe we should try to "recruit" minorities any more than we "recruit" anybody.


We shouldn't try to recruit "anybody", we should try to recruit everybody!



You are black, right?


Last time I checked.




You're here; why don't other black people see what you see?


Many do. Look up the thread I posted a while back "Obama poll numbers dropping among blacks".

See: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=209249




I'm sorry for being "racist" for my "free KFC" comment, but I stand by it -- if you want more minorities (and white people) to show up to an event then offer free fried chicken. I don't advocate actually *doing* this; I was being sarcastic, but what I'm trying to say is that we should not worry with trying to attract certain demographics.


Fine. Just run around with the people waving the Sarah Palin posters and carrying signs saying "make bombs not love" and "love = socialism" and waving giant Israeli flags and praying that we all bow down and worship Israel "from where we receive salvation" and don't worry about building a broader movement. I'll do it by my lonesome without you.



Liberty is not for everybody. It probably should be, but some people want no part of it. We shouldn't force it on them. If they like the message enough, they will join us.

I'm not convinced you're for liberty either. Like I said, I'll build a movement without you. I'm serious. I'm tired of people that bend over backwards to please neocons like Glenn Beck and cop a childish attitude and make snide remarks over the genuine outreach efforts of others. I didn't start this thread. My point is that there already are blacks in this movement whether you want us here or not. Go work your own little corner of the liberty universe and I'll work mine.

Regards,

John M. Drake

[jmdrake]

Black people love entitlements. Democrats have secured thier votes for years simply by offering them free hand-outs. Republicans freed them from slavery , passed civil rights , and they don't get squat for votes , lol.

Right. We should have all voted for McCain. Everything would have been ok. :rolleyes: 99% of Americans voted for either tweedle dumb or tweedle dumber and it's stupid to quibble about which non choice people of a particular group made.

[Bucjason]

Right. We should have all voted for McCain. Everything would have been ok. :rolleyes: 99% of Americans voted for either tweedle dumb or tweedle dumber and it's stupid to quibble about which non choice people of a particular group made.

I never said they should vote for McCain , and I also never said most white people usually vote wisely. I was just telling you why you'll never see many of them at a Liberty March.

[jmdrake]

I never said they should vote for McCain , and I also never said most white people usually vote wisely. I was just telling you why you'll never see many of them at a Liberty March.

Well the biggest receiver of "handouts" are white people. That's the honest to goodness truth. Only it's called "no bid contracts". And yes well connected blacks can plug into corporate welfare also, it's just that not many of them are well connected. For better or for worse dems get the credit for civil rights because of Kennedy and Johnson and republicans lose out because of Nixon's "southern strategy". But liberty ideals (including being against hand outs) are strong in the black community. It's just that when many look at what passes for mainstream republicanism they are repulsed and I can't blame them.

[sirgonzo420]

My response in blue:


We shouldn't try to recruit "anybody", we should try to recruit everybody!

Agreed absolutely - We should not discriminate (like try to target groups).

Last time I checked.




Many do. Look up the thread I posted a while back "Obama poll numbers dropping among blacks".

See: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=209249


That's a good start.

Fine. Just run around with the people waving the Sarah Palin posters and carrying signs saying "make bombs not love" and "love = socialism" and waving giant Israeli flags and praying that we all bow down and worship Israel "from where we receive salvation" and don't worry about building a broader movement. I'll do it by my lonesome without you.

I don't support Sarah Palin, stupid signs, or Israel at ALL. Not one iota. I don't think we should be doing any of those things you listed above.


I'm not convinced you're for liberty either. Like I said, I'll build a movement without you. I'm serious. I'm tired of people that bend over backwards to please neocons like Glenn Beck and cop a childish attitude and make snide remarks over the genuine outreach efforts of others. I didn't start this thread. My point is that there already are blacks in this movement whether you want us here or not. Go work your own little corner of the liberty universe and I'll work mine.

You're singing to the choir brother. I'm sorry if you were offended by my comment. I was just satirizing the effort to target specific demographics; We should appeal to ALL people, and not try to reach out to blacks or hispanics simply because we wish to see more "color" in the crowds.

Regards,

John M. Drake

[Bucjason]

But liberty ideals (including being against hand outs) are strong in the black community.

it is ?? ...could've fooled me....

[jmdrake]

My response in blue:

My response to your response comes in the form of a campaign story. During the campaign Ron came to Nashville. He was getting trashed on the neocon dominated talk radio shows. But we (the local campaign) bought air time on those stations anyway and arranged to have Ron Paul interviewed because we "need to reach out" to those voters. Fine. I also noticed that one of the black stations had a talk show host that struck a lot of the same chords as Paul. He was against the war in Iraq (and most black people are). He was also strident about the need to control the borders and was conservative on many other issues. I tried to get Ron interviewed on the station. The owner was like "Cool. But if you're going to do that you need to through some of the ad dollars our way you're spending on the other stations". Fair enough. I posted a request for people to pitch in on our local meetup. Instead I got a lot of flack. Basically a lot of "This two bit radio host should be kissing our collective butts for the privilege of Ron being on his show" crap. One person even went so far as to say that we "shouldn't be trying to get black votes since they aren't going to vote for us anyway". Well sirgonzo have you ever heard of a self fulfilling prophecy? Whether you agree with it or not this movement has made a lot of pro active steps to appeal to Sarah Palin / Glenn Beck supporters. If some of that energy were directed in other areas you might see different results. I know I have. Hey, if you're not there then don't go there. Like I said, I'll work my corner and you can feel free to work yours.

Regards,

John M. Drake

[jmdrake]

it is ?? ...could've fooled me....

Consider yourself fooled. And then go read Tony Brown's book "Black lies - white lies" and get back to me.