MSNBC pundits declare 10th Amendment a "bunch of baloney"

[Anti Federalist]

YouTube - MSNBC says the 10th amendment is "a bunch of baloney" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1igCWNDz0t4&feature=sub)

[ItsTime]

Unreal. Talk about lying, then insulting. That explains why msnbc has less viewers than the New Hampshire population.

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

Unreal. Talk about lying, then insulting. That explains why msnbc has less viewers than the New Hampshire population.

But you won't see a lot of people outraged. I don't know if I would call it lying if it reflects the values of the majority of Americans.

[demolama]

We are a democracy.. what the majority want the majority get... there is no limits to the Constitution... phooey on those who clam otherwise... they are just a bunch of kooks for believing in limits.

Someone should have told Washington when he took office to do whatever the hell he wanted since there was no limit to what he could tax and spend on... apparently when he sat in for the creation of the thing he must have missed the memo

[Dionysus]

Those members of the inner party don't even look like me, so it's easy to dismiss them. What's dangerous is when they use White Bread Americans like Beck to co-opt the movement.

[Kotin]

that disgusts me more than I thought possible..

[TinCanToNA]

Their ratings will continue to decline, although probably still not as fast as CNN's.

[pcosmar]

Angry Americans consider MSNBC "a bunch of baloney".

Sorry , no source, other than me. ;)

[South Park Fan]

What an idiot. Good thing I don't watch MSNBC.

[Johnnybags]

amazes me. GE is bankrupt, it has over 1/2 a trillion in debt and more for pensions,healthcare etc. It has massive losses at GE capital. It has sold out to the government since only your taxes can ever pay the notes off and the benes promised to workers. Its not a mystery. The government took them over silently and as such you get gubmint news and analysis.

[Austin]

Here, let us permit James Madison to provide his input on the "general welfare" tidbit:


With respect to the words "general welfare," I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators.

[demolama]

Here, let us permit James Madison to provide his input on the "general welfare" tidbit:

This is also a good one


"If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one...."
-- James Madison, letter to Edmund Pendleton, January 21, 1792

[amy31416]

Amazing that MSNBC would even dare to bring up the Constitution and attempt to use it to defend their position.

Also amazing how blatantly wrong they are in their interpretation.

Wonder if they quoted the Constitution when they had that armed protester from NH or AZ on?

Oh yeah, they didn't.

[kahless]

When the Berlin wall came down did the former Radio Moscow journalists all get jobs at MSNBC. :rolleyes:

They are an outright Communist propaganda channel and hope eventually they meet the same fate as the now defunct Soviet institutions.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Here, let us permit James Madison to provide his input on the "general welfare" tidbit:

Do you have a source and date for this?

thanks,

-t

[Thrashertm]

YouTube - MSNBC says the 10th amendment is "a bunch of baloney" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1igCWNDz0t4&feature=sub)

Excuse my language, but I'd that David Schuster IS A FUCKING ASSHOLE!!!! I'd love to bury my fist in his smug face!

[Cowlesy]

David Shuster has been anti-freedom for as long as I remember. I am surprised he's not in the White House somehow.

[MsDoodahs]

He is in the White House - their media arm, the BOBot network.

I would say more - a lot more - but it wouldn't be appropriate since I'm a mod and all...

;)

[KAYA]

Great so now we are tenthers...

[Dr.3D]

Here, let us permit James Madison to provide his input on the "general welfare" tidbit:


With respect to the words "general welfare," I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators.



I also like this quote.


James Madison, when asked if the "general welfare" clause was a grant of power, replied in 1792, in a letter to Henry Lee,

If not only the means but the objects are unlimited, the parchment [the Constitution] should be thrown into the fire at once.

[p.257] Brant, Irving the Fourth President - A Life of James Madison [Eyre & Spottiswoode (Publishers) Ltd. London, 1970

[Johnnybags]

Barney Frankite says to no audience. GE's networks are marching naked thru the square. Its only for entertainment like the WWE, antagonize the audience. Before they are done they'll be calling you lemmings just to get an audience. Watch it and laugh, its Bagdhad Bob all over.





Excuse my language, but I'd that David Schuster IS A FUCKING ASSHOLE!!!! I'd love to bury my fist in his smug face!

[KAYA]

David Shuster has been anti-freedom for as long as I remember. I am surprised he's not in the White House somehow.

He is. He works for MSNBC.

[Ninja Homer]

Even if "general welfare" was taken to mean, "any type of program that helps the people" the Constitution still does not grant Congress the power to create general welfare programs. Read it carefully...

"The Congress shall have power

To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"

They have the power to collect money to provide for the general welfare of the United States, but nowhere does it say that they have the power to create general welfare programs or any sort of general welfare laws (however you may define "general welfare").

[qh4dotcom]

Unbelievable

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

Here, let us permit James Madison to provide his input on the "general welfare" tidbit:

Also in that same letter from James Madison to James Robertson, April 20, 1831:



In general, I adhere to the remark, that the proper way to understand our novel and complex system of government is to avoid, as much as may be, the use of technical terms and phrases appropriate to other forms, and to examine the process of its formation, the peculiarity of its structure, and the limitation and distribution of its powers.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/James_Madison_letter_to_James_Robertson

[Cowlesy]

David Shuster heartily laughs in the general direction of James Madison.

[Bucjason]

fuckers....nothing makes me more angry then when people knowingly piss on the constitution...

[sratiug]

We need to call him out on this somehow and make an example of him. How could we get some "tenthers" from state governments on his show? He just called a lot of state reps idiots.

Where is this moron from? It would be nice if he were from a state that has passed a 10th amendment resolution so he could get catch flak by people from his own state who disagree with him.

... ah, sweet. Schuster is from Indiana. The Indiana Senate passed a 10th Amendment resolution in April by a vote of 44-3.

http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2009/04/09/indiana-senate-passes-sr42-claiming-sovereignty-under-the-10th-amendment/

[Athan]

What a goddamned fascist bootlicker they have there.

[KenInMontiMN]

Federalist paper #41 (Madison), the last 4 paragraphs go straight to the heart of the matter as Madison literally scoffs at the notion that article 1, section 8 could ever construe general welfare to be applied to anything beyond the list presented in the same sentence in that section.

[Austin]

Federalist paper #41 (Madison), the last 4 paragraphs go straight to the heart of the matter as Madison literally scoffs at the notion that article 1, section 8 could ever construe general welfare to be applied to anything beyond the list presented in the same sentence in that section.

Thanks for that. I'm going to email Glenn Beck on this and see if he will cover it.

[Anti Federalist]

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[BuddyRey]

The video has been pulled! Are there any other links to it?

[Anti Federalist]

The video has been pulled! Are there any other links to it?

YouTube - MSNBC says the 10th amendment is a bunch of baloney (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaPW8ek-aRc)

[BuddyRey]

YouTube - MSNBC says the 10th amendment is a bunch of baloney (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaPW8ek-aRc)

Wow...MSNBC has hit a new low.

[Patriot123]

...how is it that a news network can even air this? This is liberal BS. "Authorizes the Congress to spend money that benefits the nation. You know, social security, veteran care, etc etc." Is it possible for an MSNBC news anchor to be brain dead? You know, just curious.

Sometimes I wonder if liberals have even looked at history, once. I really do. I bet this guy would love Hamilton.

[demolama]

If you can spend on whatever you want you create de facto laws creating things you normally would not be delegated to do... This was the philosophy of Hamilton and there are tons who follow this logic... including the precious Supremes.

This is why it was unfathomable to allow an unaccountable and unelectable body of men being the sole and only say on what is and is not constitutional. What happens if they refuse to hear a case because it is clearly unconstitutional even though it's intentions are good? Does that make it constitutional until proven otherwise? This is the flaw in the logic that the Supreme court is the last and only voice in constitutionality.

Big nationalistic dreams have killed the federal nature of this union. Faith in the courts has been the undoing of many of the founders vision except for those that wanted to eradicate the states or create a monarchy

[fletcher]

Tenthers? So now the 10th amendment is a conspiracy theory?

[TheConstitutionLives]

YouTube - MSNBC says the 10th amendment is a bunch of baloney (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaPW8ek-aRc)

"If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions." (James Madison, Letter to Edmund Pendleton, January 21, 1792 Madison 1865, I, page 546)

"If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare,
and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare,
they may take the care of religion into their own hands;
they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish
and pay them out of their public treasury;
they may take into their own hands the education of children,
establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union;
they may assume the provision of the poor;
they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads;
in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation
down to the most minute object of police,
would be thrown under the power of Congress.... Were the power
of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for,
it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature
of the limited Government established by the people of America." - James Madison

[BuddyRey]

This is so outrageous. I hope Beck or Napolitano does a piece on it today.

[BuddyRey]

I think I'm going to write MSNBC and reprimand them for allowing David Shuster, a boil on the arse of broadcast journalism, to continue spewing baseless invective and ad hominem attacks against people and ideas about which he hasn't even the faintest understanding.