Hijacking the Tea Party Express

[FrankRep]

Hijacking the Tea Party Express (http://www.jbs.org/forum/view-postlist/forum-1-water-cooler/topic-223-hijacking-the-tea-party-express)


Jim Capo | John Birch Society (Message Forum)
(JBS Community Coordinator Member of JBS Field Staff since 2003 JBS National Spokesman on Trade Policy )
Sept. 11, 2009


The good news for our country is that a flood of newcomers are joining the freedom movement. People are waking up to the urgent need to stand up and resist the growth of government control over our daily lives. The bad news is many of these concerned newcomers are being set up for another phony Republican Revolution (http://www.fff.org/freedom/0896a.asp).

Contrary to the pish posh (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pish+posh) attitude of the Democratic wing of our nation's ruling party, the pro-freedom, anti-big government grassroots movement coalessing under the Tea Party banner is real — just as real as those millions of dollars that showed up in the Ron Paul for President campaign. Anyone who has actually attended Tea Party event knows this first-hand. Remember, it was only a year ago that, at a rate approaching 99 out of 100, Americans locked up the Congressional switchboard demanding that Wall Street crooks not be bailed out with our tax money. When Congress went ahead and bailed out their criminal banking patrons anyway, that created a bad taste in the mouths of fellow Americans that is not readily forgotten. There is a reason why END THE FED (http://www.jbs.org/action/downloads/freedom-campaign-downloads/24-endfedslimjim/download) signs and literature are fixtures at most Tea Party rallies.

However, Democratic pundits are correct in asserting that a significant amount of funding and leadership being pumped into the nascent pro-freedom movement is being put up by longtime GOP operatives, right up to and including the conservative revolution's last anointed champion pied piper Newt Gingrich (http://www.jbs.org/news-center/birchtube/195-One+Minute+with+Art+Thompson+Newt+Gingrich?userid= 64). Yes, GOP partisan opportunists (http://www.ourcountrydeservesbetter.com/about/boardandstaff.html) know a gravy train when they see one. Between these opportunists (http://www.moveamericaforward.org/index.php/DailyFile/deborah_johns_to_cindy_sheehan_lets_talk_mom_to_mo m/) and the real players (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Americans_for_Prosperity) within the leadership of the money trust's controlled opposition (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/644) GOP wing of our government, honest members of the Tea Party movement need to educate themselves and be on guard. America's ruling party (http://www.shopjbs.org/index.php/shadows-of-power.html) is not going to relinquish power to a bunch of upstarts who simply think they have a right to be free.

Here, then, is the best advice we can give to those coming into the Tea Party movement:



You can't have big wars without big government.


Think about that for a moment and then use this as your screen to sift out who you should be supporting. You can't advocate for small government at home and expect to be successful if you advocate at the same time for maintaining a military empire spanning the globe.

What we call the ruling party in passing can be more accurately called the war party. Most everyone has their favorite war they are unwilling to give up and the war party is happy to oblige. He's the dilemma. When we are talking government (the apparatus of the state) there is no ala carte menu offered. You can't have your wars on drugs and terror and tell the rulers to hold the wars on poverty, illiteracy and cancer. This reality is the source of the quote about a government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have.

When is comes to the notion of real war — military war — please give full consideration to the words of Robert Welch (http://www.jbs.org/jbs-news-feed/5010), founder of The John Birch Society:



It is not only that governments carry their peoples into horrible and utterly unnecessary wars, but it takes a very huge quantity of government to carry its people into the totalitarian struggle which war has now been made by this same quantity of government. Reduce all the governments of all the nations of the world to one-third of their present size -- not one-third of their power, note, nor are we referring to their quality, but just to one-third of their bureaucratic numbers, their extensiveness, their meddling in the lives of their subjects -- and you would immediately accomplish two things. You would reduce the likelihood of war between hostile nations to at most one-ninth of its present probability, and the destructiveness of any wars that did take place in the same proportion.


If you are coming into the freedom movement through the Tea Party wave steer clear of those who promise you less government but at the same time call for maintaining and expanding wars abroad. This is the death trap the neocons have set for you. If you want to support our troops, stand up with members of The John Birch Society and call for them to be brought home, not sent further into Afghanistan and beyond. Ending the FED and our military footprint abroad are the two most important steps we can take to assure more freedom at home. A Tea Party movement that stays focused on these critical and related issues is the greatest threat to those we are fighting. This is the freedom express that we can't let be derailed.

As Randolph Bourne trenchantly observed, "War is the health of the State (http://www.antiwar.com/bourne.php)." If you want less government, you have to want less war. If someone convinces you otherwise, your fervor for freedom has been hijacked and used against you.

Note: Members and supporters of The John Birch Society will be working the crowd (http://www.jbs.org/jbs-community/groups/viewgroup/216-Birching+the+912+Rally+in+DC) with literature at the 9-12 Tea Party in Washington, DC. If you would like to support our effort on getting the word out on phonies like Newt Gingrich you can still make a donation (http://jbs.chipin.com/birching-912-dc-rally). Help us hijack the plans of the hijackers.


SOURCE:
http://www.jbs.org/forum/view-postlist/forum-1-water-cooler/topic-223-hijacking-the-tea-party-express

[FrankRep]

Town Hall meetings have been filled with angry constituents, alarmed and outraged over the bailouts, runaway spending, and government takeovers of vast swaths of the American economy — continuing the anti-big government movement started by Ron Paul's Tea Part movement — and now the movement is going to Washington, D.C. By William F. Jasper


Tea Party Express Message Rolls Across America (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/1802)


William F. Jasper | The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
02 September 2009

Article:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/1802

[angelatc]

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It breaks my heart that C4L blew off this opportunity, in order to have their ego driven meeting the following week.

This isolationism is accomplishing nothing except allowing the GOP to co-opt the Revolution. John Tate isn't a leader. He's fundraiser.

[LibertyEagle]

It breaks my heart that C4L blew off this opportunity, in order to have their ego driven meeting the following week.

This isolationism is accomplishing nothing except allowing the GOP to co-opt the Revolution. John Tate isn't a leader. He's fundraiser.
Huh? The C4L is a co-sponsor and John Tate will be speaking at the March.


Join C4L at the 9/12 March in D.C.

Posted by John Tate on 09/11/09 2:58 PM
Last updated 09/11/09 2:33 PM

Tomorrow, September 12, thousands of Americans from all across the country will descend on our nation's capital to protest our out-of-control federal government and its massive spending, bailouts, and deficits.

Throughout the past several months, tea parties across the country have drawn increased participation and media attention as more people have become fed up with the direction our country is heading. On Saturday, they will loudly make their voices heard in D.C.

C4L has joined a diverse coalition in cosponsoring the March, which will culminate three days of activities including grassroots training and visits to Capitol Hill offices.

At 9 am eastern on Saturday, participants will gather at D.C.'s Freedom Plaza. The March will officially begin at 11:30 am, and attendees will walk down Pennsylvania Avenue toward the Capitol, arriving at the West Front of the Capitol around 1 pm.

The day will conclude with a series of speakers who will challenge the federal government's reckless behavior and lead the crowd in demanding a return to living and spending within our means.

I will be speaking shortly after 2 pm, and I've been told there is a possibility for the speech to be carried live on national television! I know that many C4L members will be in attendance (Harford County C4L in Maryland is bringing twelve full buses!), and I'm confident that we can take advantage of this opportunity to spread the word about our organization and its consistent stand for liberty.

For more information, visit the official 9/12 March site here. I look forward to seeing you in D.C. tomorrow as we once again take a stand for freedom.
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=25093


9/12 March on DC

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Posted by Matt Hawes on 09/08/09

This Saturday, thousands of Americans will descend on DC to protest the outrageous growth of government and its continued plundering of our lives and money.

C4L is cosponsoring this event, and John Tate will be addressing the crowd. I know that many of you will be attending (Hartford, Maryland C4L will be heading down with nine buses!). If you're planning to go, be sure to leave a comment in case others from your area are also planning to attend.

For more information about the March, visit their official website here.
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=24951

[angelatc]

Over the past 4 months, how many emails have you had from C4L rallying the troops to attend this event? Now, how many have you had encouraging you to attend the conference next weekend? How many people could afford to do both? Where do you think the best place to grow the ranks would be?

Apparently the people in Maryland are better suited to be leaders than Tate. What they're doing is exciting. Why didn't anybody hear about that until Matt Hawes blogged about it?

This is exactly why national will never get a dime from me.

[KramerDSP]

Over the past 4 months, how many emails have you had from C4L rallying the troops to attend this event? Now, how many have you had encouraging you to attend the conference next weekend? How many people could afford to do both? Where do you think the best place to grow the ranks would be?

Apparently the people in Maryland are better suited to be leaders than Tate. What they're doing is exciting. Why didn't anybody hear about that until Matt Hawes blogged about it?

This is exactly why national will never get a dime from me.

I agree with what Angela is saying here. I just don't think C4L has their act together. There's something fundamentally different about C4L in comparison to the 2008 R"evol"ution campaign.

I have sent C4L countless e-mails and have sent them direct messages on twitter about asking them to caption/subtitle videos they release. I have not heard ONE PEEP from anybody in C4L regarding my request (Well, I AM Deaf, so maybe that's why! :D). And again, it's a request, not a demand. I have not donated one cent to them, and I donated repeatedly to the Ron Paul campaign in 2008.

[JeNNiF00F00]

Something is fishy here.

[FrankRep]

Something is fishy here.
What's that?

[HOLLYWOOD]

Right NOW... FOX NEWS channel/BECK... NEOCON central: Pence and DeMint pushing the "Controlled" opposition and hyjacking the event.

[AuH20]

Right NOW... FOX NEWS channel/BECK... NEOCON central: Pence and DeMint pushing the "Controlled" opposition and hyjacking the event.

Demint's freedom index rating rivals that of Ron Paul.

[Epic]

oh God.... Beck had this analyst who was talking about how the party establishment conspires to crush outsiders...

and Beck was like... you mean like Sarah Palin!!???


She was the Republican VP Candidate!!! She's campaigning for republicans around the country!!! She's not an outsider!!

RON PAUL is the one who got the anger from the party establishment

[angelatc]

I agree with what Angela is saying here. I just don't think C4L has their act together. There's something fundamentally different about C4L in comparison to the 2008 R"evol"ution campaign.

I have sent C4L countless e-mails and have sent them direct messages on twitter about asking them to caption/subtitle videos they release. I have not heard ONE PEEP from anybody in C4L regarding my request (Well, I AM Deaf, so maybe that's why! :D). And again, it's a request, not a demand. I have not donated one cent to them, and I donated repeatedly to the Ron Paul campaign in 2008.

It's like it would cost them anything. People would volunteer to do it.

It was the same during the campaign. They had an ASL interpreter on stage, but pleading with them to post 1 official video, where she would have been visible through the whole thing, ironically fell on apparently willfully deaf ears.

[tonesforjonesbones]

DeMint is the sponsor for S604 and you shills bash him? Why do you consistantly bite the hand that feeds ya? You are ruining the movement. TONES

[Liberty Star]

Seems like GOP establishemnet, Dick Armey and co are also organizing/funding some of these parties and are trying to highjack tea party movement. Any non partisan libertarians should distance themselves from their poison imo.

[tron paul]

DeMint is the sponsor for S604 and you shills bash him? Why do you consistantly bite the hand that feeds ya? You are ruining the movement. TONES

They are biting DeMint's ankles, not his hand. The Haters will have zero effect on the movement, they are confined to living under the troll bridges of the intarweb.

The rest of us can go outside and get along with others, even if we only agree on some things, and they supported McCain or whatever unforgivable sins DeMint, etc. have committed against us.

Dr. Paul, like his hero Jesus, is into the forgiveness thing.


The "NEVER FORGET- NEVER FORGIVE" attitude is very Neoconservative and reminds me of LittleGreenFootballs' hostile, ugly negativity.

[FrankRep]

We just need to make sure to keep Jim DeMint accountable for his current and future votes.

He's a friend right now.

[angelatc]

Look: http://www.glennbeck.com/content/program/we-the-people

[angelatc]

Seems like GOP establishemnet, Dick Armey and co are also organizing/funding some of these parties and are trying to highjack tea party movement. Any non partisan libertarians should distance themselves from their poison imo.

Well, those of us who are Republicans, like Ron Paul, will continue to work on winning elections.

Good luck, though!

[Liberty Star]

Well, those of us who are Republicans, like Ron Paul, will continue to work on winning elections.

Good luck, though!

LOL I'm sure Republicans will win election again many times. Republicans won election not too long ago in 2000 and 2004 too, look where those wins got us.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Demint's freedom index rating rivals that of Ron Paul.

No one is BASHING... we are pointing out observations... anyway, what's DeMint doing with NEOCON Central's Mike Pence? Remember Pence is the scumbag that ensured Ron Paul didn't know about the secret GOP house meeting of senior Republicans after the Obama election win. Pence is your AIPAC, pro war lapdog of the Zionist Elite. I would never associate myself with Pence and that goes in physical locality too.



DeMint is the sponsor for S604 and you shills bash him?

DeMint is a Co-Sponsor of S604... Bernie Sanders Sponsored S604, and no one in the Senate signed-on until AFTER, it picked you popularity in the House and Nationwide movement/grassroots. DeMint is far from being a Ron Paul type politician, though, it now appears to be very Popular to hijack Ron's standings and US Constitutional foundations with the decline in our civilization, Liberty, Freedom, and of course... where the money is spent/wasted.

[newbitech]

I got a call from Newt Gingrinch the other day. Some lady asked to speak with me, and when I asked who she was and where she was calling from, she said the newt Gingrich Presidential Committee.

I asked her if Newt was running for president in 2012. She said no no, I have a message for you would you like to hear it? I said, sorry I am busy (cause I was) and hung up.

Anyone else get a phone call from Newt?

[Liberty Star]

No, but I got a call from Palin and I hung up too LOL Apparently she's weighing her options too, interesting political season ahead.

[Sandra]

The Tea Party Expres is a pro war, pro AIPAC organization. Period. They don't really give a crap what other domestic issues win or lose, just as long as these two -----> war & Israel support get through.


THEY DON"T CARE ABOUT TAXES!!!!!! What part of their agenda are you guys not understanding?

[kahless]

CFL should have promoted the event regardless. It was being pushed by FNC which gave them 2 hours of dedicated coverage without any mention of Neocon values. CSPAN also carried the event in full. Will we get the same exposure next week. Doubtful. This was a missed opportunity and were handing the movement to the Neocons that were losing power.

Continued isolation will not grow this movement.

[FrankRep]

I got a call from Newt Gingrinch the other day. Some lady asked to speak with me, and when I asked who she was and where she was calling from, she said the newt Gingrich Presidential Committee.

I asked her if Newt was running for president in 2012. She said no no, I have a message for you would you like to hear it? I said, sorry I am busy (cause I was) and hung up.

Watch out for Newt Gingrich!


The Real Newt Gingrich
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[Sandra]

CFL should have promoted the event regardless. It was being pushed by FNC which gave them 2 hours of dedicated coverage without any mention of Neocon values. CSPAN also carried the event in full. Will we get the same exposure next week. Doubtful. This was a missed opportunity and were handing the movement to the Neocons that were losing power.

Continued isolation will not grow this movement.

Coverage IS where the cameras ARE.

[HOLLYWOOD]

CFL should have promoted the event regardless. It was being pushed by FNC which gave them 2 hours of dedicated coverage without any mention of Neocon values. CSPAN also carried the event in full. Will we get the same exposure next week. Doubtful. This was a missed opportunity and were handing the movement to the Neocons that were losing power.

Continued isolation will not grow this movement.
^^^^^ This! Very good statement/analogy.

You figure after almost 2 years of Political Marketing & Sales making the success of even LOSER candidates/Bad issues, PACs would learn how to capitalize on such events and coverage with these methods.

CFL, et al liberty orgs(not NEOCON PACS), should of had a spokesperson on the TP Express or at least coordinate at each stop on the Express across country. Maybe even a request on BECK or FOX or C-SPAN or HDNET... who is the C4L Communications director?

Yeah, these missed opportunities are probably the most frustrating to witness.

Could of had HDNET cover this event with CFL interviews on the assist and the DC protest. Especially when it's in your own backyard. It's one thing to have an organization, grassroots, and message... it's another in delivering the message with maximum exposure at minimum costs.

[Chieppa1]

I'm in D.C. today and I tired of people on this site complaining and not doing anything. Waaaa they are Neo-Cons there I WONT GO!!!

I went. I passed out 300 HR1207 flyers, saw one End the FED signs and shirts for every 10 people. I spread the message of killing the FED and the price of our wars. There were a good number of us there today.

Maybe instead of just sitting on your asses complaining about these people being neo-cons, you should help convert them. Stop waiting for Dr. Paul to speak do try to do it himself.

[Liberty Star]

Demint's freedom index rating rivals that of Ron Paul.

Was that rating given by neocons or aipac?

Looking at his voting record, he appears to be hardcore grade-A Neocon:


Quote:

Jim DeMint

Voted NO on redeploying non-essential US troops out of Iraq in 9 months.

Voted YES on designating Iran's Revolutionary Guards as terrorists.

Voted NO on redeploying US troops out of Iraq by March 2008.

Voted NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007.

Voted NO on investigating contract awards in Iraq & Afghanistan.

Voted NO on requiring on-budget funding for Iraq, not emergency funding.

Voted YES on approving removal of Saddam & valiant service of US troops.

Voted YES on authorizing military force in Iraq.

http://www.ontheissues.org/International/Jim_DeMint_War_+_Peace.htm


So Jim DeMint is the man who is responsible for increasing deficit and taxes, this is beyond hypocritical of him to now stand in front of Tea Party for Faux cameras. Looks like Tea Party movement is being hijacked by neocons.



YouTube - DeMint on Iraq Resolution -- Floor Speech (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEBElLqtpRU)

[FrankRep]

Was that rating given by neocons or aipac?

Looking at his voting record, he appears to be hardcore grade-A Neocon:

We just need to make sure to keep Jim DeMint accountable for his current and future votes.

He's a friend right now.

[Flash]

They are biting DeMint's ankles, not his hand. The Haters will have zero effect on the movement, they are confined to living under the troll bridges of the intarweb.

The rest of us can go outside and get along with others, even if we only agree on some things, and they supported McCain or whatever unforgivable sins DeMint, etc. have committed against us.

Dr. Paul, like his hero Jesus, is into the forgiveness thing.


The "NEVER FORGET- NEVER FORGIVE" attitude is very Neoconservative and reminds me of LittleGreenFootballs' hostile, ugly negativity.

Agreed 100%. Holding grudges is what Progressivse & Liberal-Republicans do, it's nonsense.

I recently joined several Conservative forums and showed them Rand Paul & Peter Schiff without the whole "I'm right, you're wrong" attitude, and they took a liking to them.

[Liberty Star]

We just need to make sure to keep Jim DeMint accountable for his current and future votes.

He's a friend right now.

Based on what.. I mean is he apologetic about his very recent actions and for being part of the movement that helped cause big government spending, huge deficit and need for higher taxes?

He voted against accountability of contractors spending in Iraq/Afghanistan, did he ever explain why? That is just shocking.

If he still supports massive spending on Iraq/Afghan freedom projects, how does he propose we lower taxes. People deserve second chances but it's not unreasonable to ask for some evidence that they have changed to see if future beavior will be different than past. Otherwise as Bush so eloquently puts, if you fool me twice...

[FrankRep]

People deserve second chances but it's not unreasonable to ask for some evidence that they have changed to see if future beavior will be different than past. Otherwise as Bush so eloquently puts, if you fool me twice...

Who said anything about second chances? I'm just saying we need to keep his feet on the fire. No one claimed DeMint was a Ron Paul type.

[Liberty Star]

Maybe I misunderstood that you suggested him to be a Libertarian minded person when you suggested he was a "friend". If not, there should be no disagreement.

[paulitics]

I like Demint (right now) alot, but am disapointed in his record. The economy and foreign policy is one in the same. You can't seperate the two. He is still miles ahead of the fraudulent Newt Gingrich in credibility, so I can overlook a few mistakes.

The reason why I don't trust most of the republicans, is simply because they are liars. I sincerely believe they do not care about the economy, nor civil liberties or this country. In 12 years time, they had proven this to me. Now, they are making some superficial deposits, for future withdrawls on our paychecks and freedoms.

They are the best cheap seat hecklers ever though, but I suppose right now we can use them. We need to co opt them, and win over the hearts and minds of the average conservative who has a short term memory of the party who brought us wars, bailouts, and police state.

But until I hear them denounce the neocon foreign policy and police state, then I am not convinced of their turning over a new leaf.

[FrankRep]

Maybe I misunderstood that you suggested him to be a Libertarian minded person when you suggested he was a "friend". If not, there should be no disagreement.
A friend "right now," but a friend in the past--NO. Will he be a friend in the future? Probably not, BUT we need to keep his feet to the fire. I never said anything about second chances.

[HOLLYWOOD]

I'm in D.C. today and I tired of people on this site complaining and not doing anything. Waaaa they are Neo-Cons there I WONT GO!!!

I went. I passed out 300 HR1207 flyers, saw one End the FED signs and shirts for every 10 people. I spread the message of killing the FED and the price of our wars. There were a good number of us there today.

Maybe instead of just sitting on your asses complaining about these people being neo-cons, you should help convert them. Stop waiting for Dr. Paul to speak do try to do it himself.

^^^ Glad you made it out for 1207. I kicked off the TP Express in Sacramento AND Reno/CC... I posted here and other forums to get people into dialog and activism. unfortunately with little participation.
http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee332/McLieberman/DSC01282.jpg

[LibertyEagle]

I like Demint (right now) alot, but am disapointed in his record. The economy and foreign policy is one in the same. You can't seperate the two. He is still miles ahead of the fraudulent Newt Gingrich in credibility, so I can overlook a few mistakes.

The reason why I don't trust most of the republicans, is simply because they are liars. I sincerely believe they do not care about the economy, nor civil liberties or this country. In 12 years time, they had proven this to me. Now, they are making some superficial deposits, for future withdrawls on our paychecks and freedoms.

They are the best cheap seat hecklers ever though, but I suppose right now we can use them. We need to co opt them, and win over the hearts and minds of the average conservative who has a short term memory of the party who brought us wars, bailouts, and police state.

But until I hear them denounce the neocon foreign policy and police state, then I am not convinced of their turning over a new leaf.

To me, there is a difference between a scumbag with a clear agenda (i.e. the CFR Newt Agenda) and someone who possibly doesn't yet understand how our foreign policy is part of the problem.

I'm hoping Demint is one of these, but I'm not holding my breath. If he stands with us on some issues though, I'm perfectly happy to leverage that to open the doors so that we can spread the message of liberty to a bunch of others.

Remember how Dr. Paul works with people like Kucinich on those issues that they agree on. It doesn't mean that any of us would actually vote for Kucinich, because overall, his policies stink.

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It breaks my heart that C4L blew off this opportunity, in order to have their ego driven meeting the following week.

This isolationism is accomplishing nothing except allowing the GOP to co-opt the Revolution. John Tate isn't a leader. He's fundraiser.

No kidding! and it's worse than you think.

The C4L event is being hyped as training - but if you look at the schedule, there isn't a lot of training going on. It's more of a dog and pony show. As to isolationism - they scheduled it the same weekend the MD GOP is doing training. 2 tracks of training for less than half what the basic rate to walk in the door at the C4L event costs. Time wise, the GOP event offers more hours of training than the C4L training and it's just one day, not 2 1/2.

The C4L event is also single track and there are a bunch of things in there that cost extra and nothing scheduled for those that don't want to attend them and pay more.

$500 for a "private briefing" with RP, $100 to hear the judge talk, $125 for a breakfast and speech, $10 to watch a movie, etc... and that's after the $76 charge to walk in the door. Yeah, this is all about fund raising.

The timing is also horrible for the C4L event as it's Thursday, Friday and Saturday. You know, people have to work during the week...

In contrast, the MD GOP is charging $30. Which organization is more interested in getting people trained?

It seems like C4L is living in a bubble - the campaign did this before when they stepped on the DC rally with the timing of their announcement for Minneapolis and when they scheduled training for us in MD, on top of the state fair - which was one of our major events of the year, and held it in the next state. Only one person attended from our state and ended up having to do a training for the rest of us.

-t

ps: I did get one e-mail encouraging attendence at the DC Tea Party, but it was from the MD C4L, not national.

[dr. hfn]

We must not let this movement be suckered into a phony Republican Revolution again. We need to promote sites like www.retakecongress.com www.liberatetheunitedstates.com www.912candidates.org constitution party candidates, libertarian party candidates, and republican liberty caucus candidates, with flyers and business cards and on the net.

[Dorfsmith]

I'm in D.C. today and I tired of people on this site complaining and not doing anything. Waaaa they are Neo-Cons there I WONT GO!!!

I went. I passed out 300 HR1207 flyers, saw one End the FED signs and shirts for every 10 people. I spread the message of killing the FED and the price of our wars. There were a good number of us there today.

Maybe instead of just sitting on your asses complaining about these people being neo-cons, you should help convert them. Stop waiting for Dr. Paul to speak do try to do it himself.

Reading through this thread I have to agree with this post the most! I have been going to every possible event I can go to trying to covert people because for once people are listening and open to what I'm saying. If we were all out there speaking the truth and converting people we could take control of this whole movement. Don't count on Ron Paul and Campaign For Liberty to do all the work. It's up to us. Let's get out there. :)

[FrankRep]

Hijacking the Tea Party Express - Update (http://www.jbs.org/forum/view-postlist/forum-1-water-cooler/topic-224-great-event-but-crowd-estimate-of-million-or-more-for-9-12-dc-tea-party-is-fantasy)


Jim Capo
JBS Community Coordinator Member of JBS Field Staff since 2003 JBS National Spokesman on Trade Policy


I've uploaded pictures (http://jbs.org/jbs-community/photos/album?userid=80&albumid=221) from our Birching at the 912 DC Rally. A great time was had by all...120,000 or so.

Note to Mickey: If Ed does an analysis on this map (http://jbs.org/jbs-community/photos/photo?albumid=221#photoid=1240) he will reduce his estimate.

I defy anyone to produce pictures showing any appreciable amount of rally participants past 3rd Street after about 12:30/1:00pm. People kept moving forward to get as close to the Capitol as they could. At the peak of the crowd, the vast majority of people were able to get in front of 3rd Street. There is no way you can put 300,000 in front of 3rd St. and still have room for the picnicing that was going on.

It was a great event. Those fighting for reducing the size and swath of our federal government should be encouraged. 120,000 people from around the country, most with real jobs and their own arrangements to get there is a huge turnout. Maybe there was even 150,000, or someone will produce data that makes me agree to 200,000. But, if one does the math, as I know Ed can, there is no way to get to 300,000 at this event, let alone the ridiculous number of over one million, a fantasy number which automatically calls into question the credibility of any source like WND or Infowars that would even bother to mention it. When the excitement and emotions settle down, I expect these news outfits will do the right thing and revise their numbers downwards to something in the 100,000 to 200,000 range. A great turnout in its own right.

Sidebar: This picture (http://jbs.org/jbs-community/photos/photo?albumid=221#photoid=1258) taken at 4:23pm towards 3rd St and the Capitol shows that there was no way 300,000 people could have cleared out of this area in 30 to 60 minutes.

Correction: In my first post, I did have a typo on the official ending time of the event. It was 3:57pm not 4:57pm.


SOURCE:
http://www.jbs.org/forum/view-postlist/forum-1-water-cooler/topic-224-great-event-but-crowd-estimate-of-million-or-more-for-9-12-dc-tea-party-is-fantasy

[tron paul]

i'm in d.c. Today and i tired of people on this site complaining and not doing anything. Waaaa they are neo-cons there i wont go!!!

I went. I passed out 300 hr1207 flyers, saw one end the fed signs and shirts for every 10 people. I spread the message of killing the fed and the price of our wars. There were a good number of us there today.

Maybe instead of just sitting on your asses complaining about these people being neo-cons, you should help convert them. Stop waiting for dr. Paul to speak do try to do it himself.

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