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CaseyJones
09-12-2009, 08:23 AM
:cool: http://www.trafficland.com/city/WAS/camera/9087/index.html :D

this is a live traffic cam of DC right now the crowd is huge

Live_Free_Or_Die
09-12-2009, 08:26 AM
Is the march being broadcast anywhere online?

CaseyJones
09-12-2009, 08:27 AM
no idea :(

MsDoodahs
09-12-2009, 08:33 AM
I saw a live shot on BObot network (msnbc) a little bit ago as I flipped channels - stopped and stayed on there while they talked about it and the host was saying "the ariel shot looks like there are lots of people there" and the guy on the ground said something about 9,000 people.

Made me laugh...

jm1776
09-12-2009, 08:33 AM
:cool: http://www.trafficland.com/city/WAS/camera/9087/index.html :D

this is a live traffic cam of DC right now the crowd is huge

Huge might be an understatement! :D

ronpaulhawaii
09-12-2009, 08:34 AM
I hear CNN in the other room talking ~30k. Just spot reports though...

bunklocoempire
09-12-2009, 08:39 AM
Right on! Thanks for posting!

Bunkloco

JamesButabi
09-12-2009, 08:41 AM
Hope theres alot of Ron Paulers there. I know the Free State project has people recruiting.

CaseyJones
09-12-2009, 08:45 AM
it will be covered on cspan starting at 1 pm est
and beck will have a live show also at 1 pm est

JamesButabi
09-12-2009, 08:46 AM
Too bad they arent all wearing vendetta costumes :-p

MsDoodahs
09-12-2009, 08:51 AM
Casey, I'm REALLY enjoying watching these cameras, thank you for posting the link!

RonPaulFanInGA
09-12-2009, 08:53 AM
I hear CNN in the other room talking ~30k. Just spot reports though...

30,000 if accurate is pretty weak.

Of course, if history is any guide: the left will claim 25,000, the right 900,000 and the media somewhere around 100,000.

CaseyJones
09-12-2009, 08:54 AM
yea people in the streets pissed off at the government (wipes a tear from his eye) ain't it beautiful :D

SelfTaught
09-12-2009, 09:07 AM
Wow, that looks like a lot. They just keep filling up that street over and over again.

Reason
09-12-2009, 09:17 AM
http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss324/Civilradiant/March1.jpg

http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss324/Civilradiant/March2.jpg

Anti Federalist
09-12-2009, 09:28 AM
Gadsen Flags as far as the eye can see.

Almost as good as V masks.

Thanks Casey.

PatriotG
09-12-2009, 09:47 AM
http://www.restoretherepublic.org/?p=2143

Broadcast On CSPAN 1 PM EST

http://www.cspan.org/Watch/C-SPAN_wm.aspx
PG

A. Havnes
09-12-2009, 09:53 AM
I wonder, how awake do you suppose these people are?

CaseyJones
09-12-2009, 09:54 AM
live at cnn of all places
just look at their live video page

[edit] here is a link
http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream2

Anti Federalist
09-12-2009, 09:56 AM
I wonder, how awake do you suppose these people are?

Good question.

My best guess...they are in the process of waking up.

KAYA
09-12-2009, 10:03 AM
CNN has a live stream of the 9/12 rally!

http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream2&iref=lb100

clb09
09-12-2009, 10:04 AM
Just returned from the area around 3rd st. SW/SE and Independence Ave. and the East Front of the U.S. Capitol:

1) Speaker on stage announced crowd estimate of 1.5 million. Crowd roared. But I was here for the Obama Coronation in January which was really about 1.5 million.

The crowd as of 11:30 am was not even close to 1.5 mill. I'd estimate the crowd at 40,000 so far.

2) VERY few Ron Paul, C4L and genuine libertarian symbols, signs and slogans.

2a) Crowd chanting, "CNN, Stop Lying!" at the "CNN = Politics" Express Bus

I saw LOTS of "Fox News is the Best" signs, "Glenn Beck is our Hero" signs, Gadsen Flags, "Obama is a Communist" Stuff, etc.

3) I know lots of people here hate when this is pointed out BUT...the VAST majority of the crowd (my guess, 98%) were of West European origins.

Until we see a larger cross-section of Americans this freedom and liberty movement will remain a limited movement. Sorry, for pointing that out.

I'll post pictures soon.

YouTube - Washington DC rally, Tea Party Express, September 12, 2009 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lmst9_B9k9Q)

YouTube - Tea party dc 9/12 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pRcykgInhk)

YouTube - Sons of Liberty Riders (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3fxRtkw4N8)

YouTube - CNN Tea Party Report Highlights Shoving Match & Very Angry Signs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo8UE-t6Zyg)

RM918
09-12-2009, 10:13 AM
3) I know lots of people here hate when this is pointed out BUT...the VAST majority of the crowd (my guess, 98%) were of West European origins.

Until we see a larger cross-section of Americans this freedom and liberty movement will remain a limited movement. Sorry, for pointing that out.

And 80% of the country is white. Does a political ideology not work unless the melanin count is high enough?

RevolutionSD
09-12-2009, 10:22 AM
Too bad marches and protests never accomplish anything :(

clb09
09-12-2009, 10:24 AM
And 80% of the country is white. Does a political ideology not work unless the melanin count is high enough?

Yes, because in the real world people (not all people, mind you) identify their politics by race:

David Duke
Jesse Jackson
Al Sharpton

...oh, and this guy:

http://www.ny1.com/Content/Top_Stories/105089/council-hopeful-defends-stance-on--blood--remarks/Default.aspx

As I've said before, if the Demoncratic party had not been so good at using "melanin" as a tool for political victory then Barack Obama would be a Chicago "community organizer" right now.

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1209/racial-ethnic-voters-presidential-election

http://pewresearch.org/assets/publications/1209-1.gif

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1842189,00.html

RM918
09-12-2009, 10:30 AM
Yes, because in the real world people (not all people, mind you) identify their politics by race:

David Duke
Jesse Jackson
Al Sharpton

...oh, and this guy:

http://www.ny1.com/Content/Top_Stories/105089/council-hopeful-defends-stance-on--blood--remarks/Default.aspx

As I've said before, if the Demoncratic party had not been so good at using "melanin" as a tool for political victory then Barack Obama would be a Chicago "community organizer" right now.

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1209/racial-ethnic-voters-presidential-election

http://pewresearch.org/assets/publications/1209-1.gif

The point just hits as moot to me. So long as you have politics run that ignorantly, there's no way we can be successful anyhow. This concept of needing a racial quota to ensure some sort of political purity and the greater concepts of the 'genuine' practice of 'ensuring diversity' has become an in-assailable fortress that has stood directly in the middle of any real progress among the races.

angelatc
09-12-2009, 10:38 AM
Go look at pictures from the latest Netroots gathering, and then explain how your diversity theory applies. Apparently all they need is a token minority at the top, and some paid ACORN staffers in front of the camera and they're good.

SelfTaught
09-12-2009, 10:57 AM
And 80% of the country is white. Does a political ideology not work unless the melanin count is high enough?

Apparently, some weak minded fools think political ideologies only work when you have an appropriate race distribution. As Thomas Sowell likes to ask, is there any reason to believe that certain characteristics SHOULD be evenly distributed among races? No. White people are into tea parties and Ted Nugent, mexicans like to wave the mexican flag in America and haves babies by the dozen before their 16th birthday, and black people are unlikely to organize themsevles in a movement that doesn't cater specifically to the black race. Big deal.

Here's a tip. If you feel so passionately about something, why not just do it without having to worry about making sure all races are appropiately represented?

KramerDSP
09-12-2009, 11:07 AM
White people are into tea parties and Ted Nugent, mexicans like to wave the mexican flag in America and haves babies by the dozen before their 16th birthday, and black people are unlikely to organize themsevles in a movement that doesn't cater specifically to the black race

:mad: WTF, dude ? Seriously. What. The. Fuck. ?!?! :rolleyes:

Anti Federalist
09-12-2009, 12:32 PM
Too bad marches and protests never accomplish anything :(

Yeah that.

Feels good while you do it, but, like eating a Big Mac, leaves very little of value behind.

clb09
09-12-2009, 12:42 PM
Apparently, some weak minded fools think political ideologies only work when you have an appropriate race distribution. As Thomas Sowell likes to ask, is there any reason to believe that certain characteristics SHOULD be evenly distributed among races? No.

Fantasy World (also the scenario I would love to live in):

People are active supporting politics and politicians that they feel will enhance freedom, liberty and peaceful trade.

REAL WORLD: Some people work towards the above but most support and vote for salesmen and saleswomen who "look good" (and look like them), say things that they want to hear and make them feel good.

If you think race doesn't matter then WE (liberty lovers) will never win a major election.

American Idol
09-12-2009, 12:43 PM
Is this Glenn Beck's 912 Project or something else?

tron paul
09-12-2009, 12:51 PM
John Tate, Pres. CFL, speaking now!!!!

American Idol
09-12-2009, 01:02 PM
FreedomWorks

Ok okay thanks.

PatriotG
09-12-2009, 01:03 PM
I wish I would have known about this. I found out yesterday. I'm Very dissapointed in myself, for not being aware.

I see this as rather significant, and wish I and my colleagues could have attended as speakers.

I have been watching it on CSPAN, some very good speakers, some not so good.

RP Needs to show up........

SelfTaught
09-12-2009, 01:11 PM
Fantasy World (also the scenario I would love to live in):

People are active supporting politics and politicians that they feel will enhance freedom, liberty and peaceful trade.

REAL WORLD: Some people work towards the above but most support and vote for salesmen and saleswomen who "look good" (and look like them), say things that they want to hear and make them feel good.

If you think race doesn't matter then WE (liberty lovers) will never win a major election.

REAL WORLD: Minorities are minorities for a reason. They make up a smaller percentage of the population. I'm a minority too (Chinese by the way). No one gives a damn about the Chinese vote because we make up too small a percentage for anyone to care. Why doesn't anyone try to get the Burmese vote? Here, look. If it's easier to convince white people to join a freedom movement than minorities, then putting forth a strong effort to convince minorities is probably a waste of time. If you have a strong enough white vote, you won't need the minority. If they jump aboard great, if not, fuck em. Worrying about the minority vote was a waste of time for republicans, and it will be a waste of time for anyone who opposes Obama and the liberal agenda. They will call you racist no matter how many minorities you convert.

angelatc
09-12-2009, 01:15 PM
That last move was brilliant. "Text (number) to pledge your support!"

Bam! A hundred cell phone numbers in his marketing database.

MsDoodahs
09-12-2009, 01:24 PM
That last move was brilliant. "Text (number) to pledge your support!"

Bam! A hundred cell phone numbers in his marketing database.

I've been watching on CSPan since this got started, pretty consistently, and this is like the 4th call for "dial ____ on your cell phone" so yeah, a lot of database building going on.

ScoutsHonor
09-12-2009, 01:33 PM
No clear message=it's like the Tower of Babel. :mad:

IPSecure
09-12-2009, 01:35 PM
http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/live912.jpg

Look at how many people Dr. Paul woke up... :eek:

Sarge
09-12-2009, 01:38 PM
Thank you for that picture. I was just wondering if anyone was going to get a high up shot.
One poster was trying to say only 40K there.

Need more of those pictures so DC sees people mean business.

tonesforjonesbones
09-12-2009, 01:39 PM
Oh that is awesome and that's right Ron Paul started this ..it can NEVER be taken away from Dr. Paul. He must be very proud right now and rightly so! RON PAUL ! TONES

Sarge
09-12-2009, 01:42 PM
They need to get more shots. Newspapers are trying to report 10's of thousands and not over a million. NYT tried to say 500 were there. BS. The press will try and down play it. Need those high up pictures for proof.

Multiple that by all of us that could not be there today.

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tonesforjonesbones
09-12-2009, 01:45 PM
Yes we knew the communists would try to downplay it..they know it pisses us off but they also know the truth. tones

StudentForPaul08
09-12-2009, 01:45 PM
http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/live912.jpg

Look at how many people Dr. Paul woke up... :eek:

If you think these people woke up to Dr. Paul you need to re-examine what these people stand for. Just wait until Republicans are back in power. If Dr. Paul woke them up, he should be leading this march.

s35wf
09-12-2009, 01:45 PM
They need to get more shots. Newspapers are trying to report 10's of thousands and not over a million. NYT tried to say 500 were there. BS. The press will try and down play it. Need those high up pictures for proof.

Multiple that by all of us that could not be there today.

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YEAH the sheeple are awakening :)

Hey Sarge how ya doing??? u ever get around to reading that book bychance?

Hows the trip? have a great day!

LibertasPraesidium
09-12-2009, 01:48 PM
anyone have a new chat room others can go to to discuss todays events since this site's is down?

CaseyJones
09-12-2009, 01:49 PM
it is back up

Sarge
09-12-2009, 01:49 PM
BO is preaching to the wrong crowd today,

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20090912/D9ALV9EG1.html

15K hand picked ones. How about showing up at the National Mall and see the reception he would get.

IPSecure
09-12-2009, 01:49 PM
If you think these people woke up to Dr. Paul you need to re-examine what these people stand for. Just wait until Republicans are back in power. If Dr. Paul woke them up, he should be leading this march.

I believe that the leaders of the Tea Party have tried to assume control of the Revolution, but also believe that most of the people at this event do not agree with the 911 / war mongering message being added to the freedom message...

Once the head of the snake is exposed thanks to Dr. Paul, the funding of our own enemies, and industrial complex will be exposed for what it is, will be finally put in check... The wars will end, life will be great again...

tonesforjonesbones
09-12-2009, 01:50 PM
There are folks on here who are sabatoging the movement..I don't understand why everyone is not THRILLED with this turn out in washington. TONES

Sarge
09-12-2009, 01:52 PM
Yes, I looked at the book on line.

We leave for our trip this next week. I am doing well. Thank you for asking. You have a great day likewise.

Liberty Star
09-12-2009, 01:56 PM
I have been not following recent TPs closely, is there a common goal of these parties that most participants agree upon since looks like some GOP establishment has also joined organizing effort of TPs?

Restoring America back to Constituional values or back to hands of Republican establishment that has a pro foreign wars, pro spending, pro big gov agenda?

angelatc
09-12-2009, 01:59 PM
There are folks on here who are sabatoging the movement..I don't understand why everyone is not THRILLED with this turn out in washington. TONES

Because we should be leading it, and we're not. I've seen nothing to indicate that anything in the GOP is going to change.

The Obama movement used the anti-war sentiment to elect Obama. The GOP is fully capable of using the anti-tax sentiments to wrest power back and then immediately ignoring us again.

angelatc
09-12-2009, 02:01 PM
I have been not following recent TPs closely, is there a common goal of these parties that most participants agree upon since looks like some GOP establishment has also joined organizing effort of TPs?


TEA stands for Taxed Enough Already. That's what brought the people out.

Liberty Star
09-12-2009, 02:04 PM
Well if there will be no taxes, how will all this trillion dollar spending for freedoms in Iraq, West Bank, Afghanistan funded that much of Republican party champions?

There should be clearly defined objectives for these tea parties imo that are not conflicting if goal is to succeed.

s35wf
09-12-2009, 02:07 PM
There are folks on here who are sabatoging the movement..I don't understand why everyone is not THRILLED with this turn out in washington. TONES


I am thrilled with the turnout; however Dr. Paul Should have been there. glad Tate mentioned the audit the fed :)

sad that the "movement" has been infilitrated the pretend liberatarian neocons
if they voted for the iraq war, the patriot act, to raise taxes, the bailouts, or this damn crap & trade BS they are NO friend of the original ron paul revolution.

good turnout; too bad probably half of them are warmongering neocons; more awakening to continue

every FRN I spend has a message on it :)

Sandra
09-12-2009, 02:10 PM
TEA Party "candidates" will be framing themselves around the "taxed enough" issues. They are however for bigger taxes to fund their consistant need for big war. When socialized health care is compared to constant socialized war, which will look better?

angelatc
09-12-2009, 02:21 PM
Well if there will be no taxes, how will all this trillion dollar spending for freedoms in Iraq, West Bank, Afghanistan funded that much of Republican party champions?

There should be clearly defined objectives for these tea parties imo that are not conflicting if goal is to succeed.

And yet in another thread some are insisting that a GOP House Majority leader who resigned over Iraq and is an advocate of Friedman's economic theories still isn't even fit to sponsor a TEA party.

You're right - the anti-war and the pro-war messages should have been avoided because it only served to isolate and separate conservatives.

clb09
09-12-2009, 02:52 PM
If it's easier to convince white people to join a freedom movement than minorities, then putting forth a strong effort to convince minorities is probably a waste of time. If you have a strong enough white vote, you won't need the minority. If they jump aboard great, if not, fuck em.

This quote sums up why Barack Obama is President of the United States.

Personally, I would have rather seen Dr. Ron Paul as the head of state but, oh well.

Sarge
09-12-2009, 03:14 PM
Picked this up on another site.,

"In terms of size, this was a major protest march. People were there from all over the country, even Hawaii. The crowd gathered near the White House and started moving down Pennsylvania Avenue at 10 AM. I stood at the edge of the street with my sign ("Abolish the FED") as the crowd marched past and it took 1.5 hours for the crowd to pass on this wide boulevard. I got numerous compliments on the sign and saw a few other anti-FED signs. However, anti-FED sentiment was a minor theme at best. A fifty acre area south of the Capitol was eventually jammed with people. The people are very concerned and upset but they are not angry yet."

linux07ster
09-12-2009, 03:17 PM
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linux07ster
09-12-2009, 03:19 PM
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linux07ster
09-12-2009, 03:20 PM
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linux07ster
09-12-2009, 03:20 PM
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linux07ster
09-12-2009, 03:27 PM
http://pajamasmedia.com/vodkapundit/files/2009/09/PD20090912.jpg

clb09
09-12-2009, 03:38 PM
The image below is from the Inauguration not today's march.

(Notice the winter trees and the massive screens and sound system that are not in D.C. today.)

Let's keep this accurate.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8245/p12crowd3.jpg

hillertexas
09-12-2009, 03:44 PM
linux...thanks for the pics! Very cool.

constituent
09-12-2009, 03:59 PM
guess I missed the run up. what are they moooooing about?

Deborah K
09-12-2009, 03:59 PM
Unbelievable pictures and crowd. Today, I am a proud American! The giant is starting to wake up. Watch out!

linux07ster
09-12-2009, 04:02 PM
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devil21
09-12-2009, 04:07 PM
I wonder, how awake do you suppose these people are?

If the indicators Im seeing on other forums is any evidence, there's *a lot* of neocons in attendance.

NO MORE SPENDING! DOWN WITH OBAMA!




Except war funding. And more troops. And more bombs. Keep doing what you're doing.

constituent
09-12-2009, 04:11 PM
If the indicators Im seeing on other forums is any evidence, there's *a lot* of neocons in attendance.

NO MORE SPENDING! DOWN WITH OBAMA!




Except war funding. And more troops. And more bombs. Keep doing what you're doing.

I believe this type of phenomenon is often defined as a "welcoming back into the fold."

linux07ster
09-12-2009, 04:29 PM
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devil21
09-12-2009, 04:42 PM
I believe this type of phenomenon is often defined as a "welcoming back into the fold."

Yeah or the start of the next "rinse and repeat" cycle.

TheState
09-12-2009, 04:46 PM
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/8766/29303254cd9f4eb3bb8d87b.jpg

Awesome! hah

Chieppa1
09-12-2009, 05:07 PM
I'm in D.C. today and I tired of people on this site complaining and not doing anything. Waaaa they are Neo-Cons there I WONT GO!!!

I went. I passed out 300 HR1207 flyers, saw one End the FED signs and shirts for every 10 people. I spread the message of killing the FED and the price of our wars. There were a good number of us there today.

Maybe instead of just sitting on your asses complaining about these people being neo-cons, you should help convert them. Stop waiting for Dr. Paul to speak do try to do it himself.

devil21
09-12-2009, 05:11 PM
I'm in D.C. today and I tired of people on this site complaining and not doing anything. Waaaa they are Neo-Cons there I WONT GO!!!

I went. I passed out 300 HR1207 flyers, saw one End the FED signs and shirts for every 10 people. I spread the message of killing the FED and the price of our wars. There were a good number of us there today.

Maybe instead of just sitting on your asses complaining about these people being neo-cons, you should help convert them. Stop waiting for Dr. Paul to speak do try to do it himself.

Slow your roll bro. I did plenty of getting off my ass from July 2007 to present. I don't live near DC like you do apparently. Actually, I used to live there and swore to myself that I would never set foot in that area again so don't go making assumptions about people and flying off the handle. There's a lot of neocons there. They're trying to co-opt today's Tea Party just like they did with the last ones. Just an observation. They really haven't learned anything from the last year.

raystone
09-12-2009, 05:16 PM
Slow your roll bro. I did plenty of getting off my ass from July 2007 to present. I don't live near DC like you do apparently. Actually, I used to live there and swore to myself that I would never set foot in that area again so don't go making assumptions about people and flying off the handle. There's a lot of neocons there. They're trying to co-opt today's Tea Party just like they did with the last ones. Just an observation. They really haven't learned anything from the last year.


Yeah, keep looking for ways to divide our activist groups, rather than finding some common ground. That's a surefire success formula :rolleyes:

LittleLightShining
09-12-2009, 05:17 PM
I'm in D.C. today and I tired of people on this site complaining and not doing anything. Waaaa they are Neo-Cons there I WONT GO!!!

I went. I passed out 300 HR1207 flyers, saw one End the FED signs and shirts for every 10 people. I spread the message of killing the FED and the price of our wars. There were a good number of us there today.

Maybe instead of just sitting on your asses complaining about these people being neo-cons, you should help convert them. Stop waiting for Dr. Paul to speak do try to do it himself.

Thanks!

Chieppa1
09-12-2009, 05:18 PM
So we just give up? They listen. Just have to keep telling them. I'm just tired of most people on here not giving anyone a chance, just calling them Neo-Cons and giving up.

There was a ton of people there today. And no one was screaming about war. The speakers were thanking servicemen, but no one had any signs that were pro-Iraq or Patriot Act. I got a non-stop line of compliments for my Ron Paul message and shirt.

Never said people on here haven't been trying. But this was an oppurtunity for everyone to go there and take back Tea Parties, with people that are closer to our values then Obamabots.

constituent
09-12-2009, 06:20 PM
Never said people on here haven't been trying. But this was an oppurtunity for everyone to go there and take back Tea Parties, with people that are closer to our values then Obamabots.

Care to quantify/qualify this assertion?

This "agree 80% of the time" line is tired old b.s.

constituent
09-12-2009, 06:22 PM
Yeah, keep looking for ways to divide our activist groups, rather than finding some common ground. That's a surefire success formula :rolleyes:

n/m. waste of time.

linux07ster
09-12-2009, 07:22 PM
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linux07ster
09-12-2009, 07:23 PM
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KAYA
09-12-2009, 07:27 PM
So we just give up? They listen. Just have to keep telling them. I'm just tired of most people on here not giving anyone a chance, just calling them Neo-Cons and giving up.

There was a ton of people there today. And no one was screaming about war. The speakers were thanking servicemen, but no one had any signs that were pro-Iraq or Patriot Act. I got a non-stop line of compliments for my Ron Paul message and shirt.

Never said people on here haven't been trying. But this was an oppurtunity for everyone to go there and take back Tea Parties, with people that are closer to our values then Obamabots.

Exactly!

Reason
09-12-2009, 07:47 PM
lol...

90+% of these people voted for McCain...

What a complete and total failboat.

SelfTaught
09-12-2009, 08:04 PM
What's up with all the Ron Paul elitism?

All people can point out is past faults. They voted for McCain, they are neocons, they thought we were crazies, they supported the war in Iraq.... Like none of you in the forums were ever misinformed or uneducated in the principles of liberty and sound economics. Why not give them a chance? Most of you with this attitude are straight up haters. I'm not saying that the 912 protest doesn't have its faults, but most of you have the attitude that "we're better than them, they'll never learn." I have a feeling that most of you would rather see liberty fail than let other organizations have any type of success.

Would you rather have massive wars and a welfare state, or just massive wars? Not everyone is going to wake up overnight. America needs to crawl before it can walk again. It took decades to create the current mindstate and it will take some time to change it back. Why not stop shitting on everyone that doesn't agree with you 100%?

ronpaulhawaii
09-12-2009, 08:37 PM
What's up with all the Ron Paul elitism?

All people can point out is past faults. They voted for McCain, they are neocons, they thought we were crazies, they supported the war in Iraq.... Like none of you in the forums were ever misinformed or uneducated in the principles of liberty and sound economics. Why not give them a chance? Most of you with this attitude are straight up haters. I'm not saying that the 912 protest doesn't have its faults, but most of you have the attitude that "we're better than them, they'll never learn." I have a feeling that most of you would rather see liberty fail than let other organizations have any type of success.

Would you rather have massive wars and a welfare state, or just massive wars? Not everyone is going to wake up overnight. America needs to crawl before it can walk again. It took decades to create the current mindstate and it will take some time to change it back. Why not stop shitting on everyone that doesn't agree with you 100%?

ummm... methinks you are wrong judging "most" of us for the loud, obnoxious, or simply boorish, behavior of some. And perhaps you should be as patient with some folk here as you suggest they be with those out there. That said, I think I understand your frustration and often share parts of it ;)

Great pics guys :) - Loved the nuns with the Gadsdens - :D

KAYA
09-12-2009, 09:38 PM
What's up with all the Ron Paul elitism?

All people can point out is past faults. They voted for McCain, they are neocons, they thought we were crazies, they supported the war in Iraq.... Like none of you in the forums were ever misinformed or uneducated in the principles of liberty and sound economics. Why not give them a chance? Most of you with this attitude are straight up haters. I'm not saying that the 912 protest doesn't have its faults, but most of you have the attitude that "we're better than them, they'll never learn." I have a feeling that most of you would rather see liberty fail than let other organizations have any type of success.

Would you rather have massive wars and a welfare state, or just massive wars? Not everyone is going to wake up overnight. America needs to crawl before it can walk again. It took decades to create the current mindstate and it will take some time to change it back. Why not stop shitting on everyone that doesn't agree with you 100%?
I feel the same way.

dgr
09-12-2009, 10:09 PM
As an actually member of Freedom Works, my local 9 12 community and a recovering republician. I should point out some important facts. Today is a miricle, white republicians don't protest and they don't question, they just vote the way the state party tells them to.
Freedom Works are mostly republiicains but they were fed up with republicians when they formed. Dick Armory formed it after all the BS he was told during the Chenney area, and called Cheney a liar over Iraq ( Bush I have since learned just believed everything and anyone except angry republicians)
9 12 people come from all politicial parties and a lot have never been involved in politics before. )ver 90 % of the people at my towns first tea party had never been to a political event before
It's the numbers of the new involved and mad as hell people that are huge, a previously untapped electrate that does not enclude political elitist Just AMERICIANS

devil21
09-12-2009, 10:33 PM
What's up with all the Ron Paul elitism?

All people can point out is past faults. They voted for McCain, they are neocons, they thought we were crazies, they supported the war in Iraq.... Like none of you in the forums were ever misinformed or uneducated in the principles of liberty and sound economics. Why not give them a chance? Most of you with this attitude are straight up haters. I'm not saying that the 912 protest doesn't have its faults, but most of you have the attitude that "we're better than them, they'll never learn." I have a feeling that most of you would rather see liberty fail than let other organizations have any type of success.

Would you rather have massive wars and a welfare state, or just massive wars? Not everyone is going to wake up overnight. America needs to crawl before it can walk again. It took decades to create the current mindstate and it will take some time to change it back. Why not stop shitting on everyone that doesn't agree with you 100%?

Yeah maybe I do feel a bit of "elitism". It probably comes from the fact that we were telling these people what the hell they were going to get 2 FRIGGING YEARS AGO. Did they listen? Nope. Just trotted off to the polls and voted for one of the next dicks that will screw them without lube. Truthfully, I don't think 95% of the people in that crowd have learned one goddamn thing in the last year. They'll march off like good little sheep and vote for whoever Hannity tells them to vote for next election. The fact that I still continue to see WAY more derision toward Ron Paul and the platform than positive tells me that most of those people are just playing the opposition that they always do. This same stupid cycle has been going on forever. They cry about socialism now but then when the next RINO is elected they'll praise it since it's "their team" doing to pillaging.

I guess Im just getting very cynical but I see the games the media is playing on both sides of the aisle. It's the same old divide and conquer nonsense they've been pulling all along. Remember the "fractured" Republican party of only 8 months ago? Doesn't look too fractured to me. Looks like they just had to whip the sheep up into a fervor, right on schedule. So yes I do feel a little bit of elitism. I see what's going on. I told many people. They laughed and called me a kook. Now those same people want to act like they're patriots all of a sudden because of some Democrat health plan? Please. That march isn't going to change a damn thing and you all KNOW IT. Im getting tired of just hoping and being disappointed when I see the next fake distraction that the media uses to hide the real dirt. Im about to the point where Im going to just tell most of these people that they deserve whatever they get. Going to DC (with your cute little permit to exercise your 1st Amendment right no less) and holding up a sign then going home and turning on Fox News isn't going to change a damn thing. Want to make a point? That crowd should have showed up armed. Otherwise, it's all just a dog and pony show. Im not a hater. Im realistic and I see the big picture. By the time those people "get it", this country will be totally fucked beyond recognition. Then they'll slink off mumbling about how Democrats destroyed the country.

/rant

RM918
09-12-2009, 11:50 PM
Yeah maybe I do feel a bit of "elitism". It probably comes from the fact that we were telling these people what the hell they were going to get 2 FRIGGING YEARS AGO. Did they listen? Nope. Just trotted off to the polls and voted for one of the next dicks that will screw them without lube. Truthfully, I don't think 95% of the people in that crowd have learned one goddamn thing in the last year. They'll march off like good little sheep and vote for whoever Hannity tells them to vote for next election. The fact that I still continue to see WAY more derision toward Ron Paul and the platform than positive tells me that most of those people are just playing the opposition that they always do. This same stupid cycle has been going on forever. They cry about socialism now but then when the next RINO is elected they'll praise it since it's "their team" doing to pillaging.

I guess Im just getting very cynical but I see the games the media is playing on both sides of the aisle. It's the same old divide and conquer nonsense they've been pulling all along. Remember the "fractured" Republican party of only 8 months ago? Doesn't look too fractured to me. Looks like they just had to whip the sheep up into a fervor, right on schedule. So yes I do feel a little bit of elitism. I see what's going on. I told many people. They laughed and called me a kook. Now those same people want to act like they're patriots all of a sudden because of some Democrat health plan? Please. That march isn't going to change a damn thing and you all KNOW IT. Im getting tired of just hoping and being disappointed when I see the next fake distraction that the media uses to hide the real dirt. Im about to the point where Im going to just tell most of these people that they deserve whatever they get. Going to DC (with your cute little permit to exercise your 1st Amendment right no less) and holding up a sign then going home and turning on Fox News isn't going to change a damn thing. Want to make a point? That crowd should have showed up armed. Otherwise, it's all just a dog and pony show. Im not a hater. Im realistic and I see the big picture. By the time those people "get it", this country will be totally fucked beyond recognition. Then they'll slink off mumbling about how Democrats destroyed the country.

/rant

Totally agree. It's great to see the message and all, but this has happened before. Folks with the memories of goldfish would vote Bush back in in a second. I'll believe it when I see it, and I just don't think I ever will.

Until I start seeing these guys praise Paul - at all, even once a damn month, earnestly, not another frigging, 'Wow, he's sure brave to charge at those windmills, isn't he? Haha.' - then they'll get about as much of my support as Obama.

It's good to infiltrate, it's good to try to change their minds and it's even good to help out on the rare like-minded issues, but never, never become them.

silverhandorder
09-12-2009, 11:53 PM
As an actually member of Freedom Works, my local 9 12 community and a recovering republician. I should point out some important facts. Today is a miricle, white republicians don't protest and they don't question, they just vote the way the state party tells them to.
Freedom Works are mostly republiicains but they were fed up with republicians when they formed. Dick Armory formed it after all the BS he was told during the Chenney area, and called Cheney a liar over Iraq ( Bush I have since learned just believed everything and anyone except angry republicians)
9 12 people come from all politicial parties and a lot have never been involved in politics before. )ver 90 % of the people at my towns first tea party had never been to a political event before
It's the numbers of the new involved and mad as hell people that are huge, a previously untapped electrate that does not enclude political elitist Just AMERICIANS

You lose all credibility when you support wars but not welfare.

But I am no against reaching out to neocons.

Dreamofunity
09-13-2009, 12:00 AM
Not elitest, just cynical.

You may have no problem associating with socially conservative partisan war hawks, but I do.

STAND-or-fall
09-13-2009, 02:10 AM
Did you guys really think that we ( C4L Ron Paul supporters) were going to get credit for this? Ha! Some ridiculous boob from TV will take that prize. I'm just glad it's happening. I swear, listening to you twenty-somethings talk about politics is like listening to ten-year-olds talking about sex!

Carson
09-13-2009, 02:20 AM
30,000 if accurate is pretty weak.

Of course, if history is any guide: the left will claim 25,000, the right 900,000 and the media somewhere around 100,000.


Not really considering the economy that has been brought about by decades of out of control spending. It has left us weak and helpless against the New World Order.

Half of America can no longer make a living working and the other half can no longer make a living putting them to work.

As for the media reporting, if history is a guide they won't be reporting at all unless it serves their new masters.

Well all except Fox that is.

Deborah K
09-13-2009, 01:33 PM
I'm just wondering how many of you critics went to the Revolution March on Washington for Ron Paul last summer?

constituent
09-13-2009, 02:12 PM
Yeah maybe I do feel a bit of "elitism". It probably comes from the fact that we were telling these people what the hell they were going to get 2 FRIGGING YEARS AGO. Did they listen? Nope. Just trotted off to the polls and voted for one of the next dicks that will screw them without lube. Truthfully, I don't think 95% of the people in that crowd have learned one goddamn thing in the last year. They'll march off like good little sheep and vote for whoever Hannity tells them to vote for next election. The fact that I still continue to see WAY more derision toward Ron Paul and the platform than positive tells me that most of those people are just playing the opposition that they always do. This same stupid cycle has been going on forever. They cry about socialism now but then when the next RINO is elected they'll praise it since it's "their team" doing to pillaging.

I guess Im just getting very cynical but I see the games the media is playing on both sides of the aisle. It's the same old divide and conquer nonsense they've been pulling all along. Remember the "fractured" Republican party of only 8 months ago? Doesn't look too fractured to me. Looks like they just had to whip the sheep up into a fervor, right on schedule. So yes I do feel a little bit of elitism. I see what's going on. I told many people. They laughed and called me a kook. Now those same people want to act like they're patriots all of a sudden because of some Democrat health plan? Please. That march isn't going to change a damn thing and you all KNOW IT. Im getting tired of just hoping and being disappointed when I see the next fake distraction that the media uses to hide the real dirt. Im about to the point where Im going to just tell most of these people that they deserve whatever they get. Going to DC (with your cute little permit to exercise your 1st Amendment right no less) and holding up a sign then going home and turning on Fox News isn't going to change a damn thing. Want to make a point? That crowd should have showed up armed. Otherwise, it's all just a dog and pony show. Im not a hater. Im realistic and I see the big picture. By the time those people "get it", this country will be totally fucked beyond recognition. Then they'll slink off mumbling about how Democrats destroyed the country.

/rant

phew, thanks. you nailed it, congrats!

legion
09-13-2009, 05:25 PM
when i went for the fireworks this year they said 500,000 people were there. we barely filled up the area between the lincoln memorial and the washington monument.

it looks like these people were all over the mall between the capital to the lincoln monument. it may very well have been over a million people. the mall is HUGE.

constituent
09-13-2009, 07:00 PM
when i went for the fireworks this year they said 500,000 people were there. we barely filled up the area between the lincoln memorial and the washington monument.

it looks like these people were all over the mall between the capital to the lincoln monument. it may very well have been over a million people. the mall is HUGE.

i'm curious as to whether or not you are referring to the pictures alleged to really be of the obama inauguration... the ones that linuxsomethingcontrivedoranother was posting as pics of the rally?

Carson
09-13-2009, 08:05 PM
Here is the link to some NineTwelve pictures.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/42406957@N04/



I found it in a thread on fark.com. The thread has over seven hundred post at this time.

http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=4633639