Congress considers formal condemnation of Rep Joe Wilson

[Matt Collins]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/11/AR2009091102424.html



House Democratic leaders plan to vote early next week on whether to formally admonish Rep. Joe Wilson (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/w000795) unless the South Carolina Republican apologizes on the House floor for interrupting President Obama's address to Congress by yelling "You lie!"


Wilson apologized to the White House shortly after Obama's speech, and the president accepted his apology Thursday. But the Republican lawmaker turned a deaf ear to a request from his party's leaders to apologize directly to House colleagues.


Absent such a apology, Democratic leaders will move forward with a resolution of disapproval or reprimand against Wilson's behavior, senior Democratic aides said Friday

[Stary Hickory]

This is outrageous, they of course act like fools when Bush does his deal...but that is ok.

I am starting to harbor a really special hatred for Democrats. Not that I like Bush, but it shows they are hypocrites.

[zach]

Wow.. a fellow representative speaks up, and he gets condemned by the rest of them?

No wonder they don't listen to us.

[Bruno]

Boooooooooooooooo

[JeNNiF00F00]

How can they do this? What can we the people do to stop them?

[acptulsa]

Oh, come on. You can't seriously believe that the House of Represenatives would ever be happy to have someone who has the temerity to call out b.s. lurking within their own ranks...

[FunkBuddha]

This is just silly... don't they have anything better to do?

Oh wait, I have an idea. What if we can get someone in the Senate to boo and hiss every time someone speaks then they would spend all of their time voting on resolutions condemning him rather than writing and voting on bad bills that they haven't read!

[awake]

The more punitive action they take the longer the story remains.

How dare he embarrass the god king

[kahless]

Joe Wilson was justifed in his actions considering Obama used an unprecedented televised speech to Congress and the nation to call the opposition party or anyone that disagree with him liars.

Regardless of Wilson's political positions in the past, should Congress push this we should let it known there will be repercusions if they do so. Perhaps at all out effort to take down Steny Hoyer.

[yokna7]

Complete waste of taxpayer money and time.

But if I was Joe "the shouter" Wilson, I would accept their terms and just as I am about to apologize I'd be like "PSYCH BITCHES!"

[JeNNiF00F00]

Complete waste of taxpayer money and time.

But if I was Joe "the shouter" Wilson, I would accept their terms and just as I am about to apologize I'd be like "PSYCH BITCHES!"

LOL!

Wilson will go down in history now but it would be on a whole new level if he said "psyche bitches" lmao. I don't think he needs to apologize for shit. This is coming from a person in SC. He needs to stick to his guns. The people will support him in doing so.

[SelfTaught]

This is just silly... don't they have anything better to do?

Oh wait, I have an idea. What if we can get someone in the Senate to boo and hiss every time someone speaks

We are already working on it. His name is Peter Schiff.

[Mini-Me]

How can they do this? What can we the people do to stop them?

I'm not sure if you were actually asking, but in case you are: The Constitution basically gives each house of Congress carte blanche to make their own rules and direct their internal proceedings. This includes things like censures and impeachments of other members.

Anyway, I pretty much agree with everyone here: Joe Wilson may be a neocon, but he finally did something right with his little "macho flash" (even if he screwed it up by apologizing).

[pinkmandy]

"Impeachment is off the table". War crimes are okie dokie. Calling The One a liar? ADMONISH HIM!!!!

[MsDoodahs]

We need to get stickers with BO's picture and HE LIES! underneath it.

Pelosi with SHE LIES! underneath it.

Barney with IT LIES! underneath it. (lol, couldn't resist)

Tee shirts, too.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=209571

:)

[tonesforjonesbones]

there is a bumper sticker on WND "YOU LIE" . I read that Joe Wilson's democrat opponent is getting a ton of donations...maybe we should do a money bomb for Joe..it would be bad if he loses his seat because the stupid democraps are donating from all over the country to his enemy. tones

[Cowlesy]

I will not donate to a neo-con, no matter how idiotic congress is treating him.

[tonesforjonesbones]

how do you know he's a neo con? there are some republicans that aren't neo cons. tones

[yokna7]

there is a bumper sticker on WND "YOU LIE" . I read that Joe Wilson's democrat opponent is getting a ton of donations...maybe we should do a money bomb for Joe..it would be bad if he loses his seat because the stupid democraps are donating from all over the country to his enemy. tones

Or maybe we should just refer to politicians we deem liars as such on a regular basis....except Joe Wilson because he told the truth..................once. I don't see the remark as uncooth or inappropriate as the dems do? I don't think there is enough heckling in Congress. And they should not cite "tradition" when they refer to the decorum at these presidential addresses - who cares? It's not as if what has been done in Washington is say the past 80 years has been worth preserving.

[tonesforjonesbones]

well..we need the republicans to gain seats in 2010 to put the brakes on this rush to complete socialism...I know ya'll say voting for the lesser of evils is still evil..but in the case of congress..it is MUCH better to have at LEAST balance so the GOP can filibuster ffs. we are in a very dangerous situation at the moment with such an un level playing field. I don't consider this the time for protest votes...but for survival. I'd rather have a neo con than a communist ANY dang day. You at LEAST know the neo con isn't going to shove all this socialism down our throats. Of course I'd rather have true liberty minded folk elected...but if we don't stop the Obama freight train...we won't have to worry about liberty candidates because there will BE no liberty left. TONES

[Mini-Me]

well..we need the republicans to gain seats in 2010 to put the brakes on this rush to complete socialism...I know ya'll say voting for the lesser of evils is still evil..but in the case of congress..it is MUCH better to have at LEAST balance so the GOP can filibuster ffs. we are in a very dangerous situation at the moment with such an un level playing field. I don't consider this the time for protest votes...but for survival. I'd rather have a neo con than a communist ANY dang day. You at LEAST know the neo con isn't going to shove all this socialism down our throats. Of course I'd rather have true liberty minded folk elected...but if we don't stop the Obama freight train...we won't have to worry about liberty candidates because there will BE no liberty left. TONES

tones, this is essentially what you said a year ago. How do you feel about your McCain vote now? This is the way the two party charade continues forever. Remember, Obama is little more than a puppet anyway. We have been nickled and dimed this way for decades (literally and figuratively), and continuing to make the same mistakes will not save us or even buy us much time. From this point forward, BOTH parties will be screwing us harder and faster whenever they have power. Whereas the liberals are pushing for complete socialism, the neocons are pushing for complete fascism...and the similarities between these two visions vastly outweigh the differences. The current Republican Party is no friend to us. Working to change them from within may be viable, but working to elect the supposed lesser of two evils and STILL winding up in chains? Screw that. If you consider this a time for survival, then our only real choices are bold change and "death."

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

Oh, come on. You can't seriously believe that the House of Represenatives would ever be happy to have someone who has the temerity to call out b.s. lurking within their own ranks...

hehe

[Mini-Me]

how do you know he's a neo con? there are some republicans that aren't neo cons. tones

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Wilson_(U.S._politician)#Accusing_opponents_of _.22hating_America.22

http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Joe_Wilson.htm
Check out his record on the war, the Patriot Act, etc. Unless "neocon" only refers to the neocon high priests (Podhoretz, Kristol, blah blah), Joe Wilson is a flaming neocon.

[familydog]

I have no sympathy left for him since he apologized.

[RideTheDirt]

This is just silly... don't they have anything better to do?

Oh wait, I have an idea. What if we can get someone in the Senate to boo and hiss every time someone speaks then they would spend all of their time voting on resolutions condemning him rather than writing and voting on bad bills that they haven't read!
lol

[I Am Weasel]

tones? TONES.. tones... tones..

grrr... when is the English language I learned in school ever going to be used here?

[heavenlyboy34]

tones, this is essentially what you said a year ago. How do you feel about your McCain vote now? This is the way the two party charade continues forever. Remember, Obama is little more than a puppet anyway. We have been nickled and dimed this way for decades (literally and figuratively), and continuing to make the same mistakes will not save us or even buy us much time. From this point forward, BOTH parties will be screwing us harder and faster whenever they have power. Whereas the liberals are pushing for complete socialism, the neocons are pushing for complete fascism...and the similarities between these two visions vastly outweigh the differences. The current Republican Party is no friend to us. Working to change them from within may be viable, but working to elect the supposed lesser of two evils and STILL winding up in chains? Screw that. If you consider this a time for survival, then our only real choices are bold change and "death."

W00T! :cool:

[Zippyjuan]

tones? TONES.. tones... tones..

grrr... when is the English language I learned in school ever going to be used here?
Tones is just how she signs her posts.

[I Am Weasel]

not just her...

[Mini-Me]

not just her...

Who else? (By the way, I agree with you that her signing is irritating.)

[Bucjason]

From this point forward, BOTH parties will be screwing us harder and faster whenever they have power.

Yes , and that's why it's important to not allow the democrats to have ALL the power. Partisan grid-lock ( even if it's just a game) stops the government from doing anything, and that is a GOOD thing for us...

Also, there are a few good republicans- Ron Paul , Jim Demint , etc. There are NO good democrats...

[Mini-Me]

Yes , and that's why it's important to not allow the democrats to have ALL the power. Partisan grid-lock ( even if it's just a game) stops the government from doing anything, and that is a GOOD thing for us...
That would be a good thing for us, if it worked...but it won't work:

First, because we are a political minority, focusing our efforts on helping the neocons instead of resisting them will pretty much go unnoticed. Because we're such a political minority, we can only really make a splash by refusing to support the neocons and by being a really loud pain in the ass in a way that separates us from them. In other words, we as Ron Paul supporters will not even be able to do much to encourage gridlock by helping the neocons.

Second, even a split Congress isn't preventing a whole bunch of crap from being railroaded through. Remember TARP? In addition, the second bailout passed with the help of Republicans as well. Really, the only things I think a split Congress will prevent are socialist healthcare and amnesty for illegal immigrants...and honestly, I think they'll manage to come up with a bipartisan crapfest healthcare bill that's almost as bad anyway. The longer we promote the status quo, the harder we will make it to resist in the future. As I said before, they are only screwing us harder and faster from here on out, and we will never get any easy breaks or less perilous opportunities to resist. As bad as our country's situation is right now, it's only going to get worse and worse without our successful intervention, which will encourage more and more people to support the status quo perpetually in an effort to at least obtain/maintain gridlock. It's a losing battle.

Finally, keep in mind that the Republicans will almost certainly gain seats in both 2010 and 2012 anyway, and the last thing we want is for them to gain TOO many seats and get too arrogant again. If the neocons start winning tons of elections again without changing their tune, it is OVER for us on the political stage for the next decade (at least), because it will be proof for them that they don't need to change to win elections. We have been focusing most of our efforts at recapturing the conservative base. If they fall for neocon bullshit again, we are totally screwed, and that will likely be even worse than if universal healthcare passes.


Also, there are a few good republicans- Ron Paul , Jim Demint , etc. There are NO good democrats...

This may be a minor point, but I really only think DeMint looks so good right now because Obama has the Presidency. Given a fair comparison, I'd probably only consider DeMint to be about as good as Kucinich. For the most part, they're pretty much counterpoints of each other. Just about everything bad about DeMint (the Patriot Act, wiretapping, etc.) is good about Kucinich, and just about everything bad about Kucinich (socialism, gun control, etc.) is good about DeMint. It's just that right now, the prevailing agenda is giving DeMint a chance to show his good side and Kucinich a chance to show his bad side...the opposite was true during the Bush years.

[james1906]

I can see

THE ONLY CONGRESSMAN FORMALLY CONDEMNED BY NANCY PELOSI AND HARRY REID

Being front and center in Wilson's reelection campaign.