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FrankRep
09-10-2009, 07:15 PM
Is America coming apart? (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=109478)


Patrick J. Buchanan | World Net Daily
September 10, 2009


Flying home from London, where the subject of formal debate on the 70th anniversary of World War II had been whether Winston Churchill was a liability or asset to the Free World, one arrives in the middle of a far more acrimonious national debate right here in the United States.

At issue: Should Barack Obama be allowed to address tens of millions of American children, inside their classrooms, during school hours?

Conservative talk-show hosts saw a White House scheme to turn public schools into indoctrination centers where the socialist ideology of Obama would be spoon-fed to captive audiences of children forced to listen to Big Brother -- and then do assignments on his sermon.

The liberal commentariat raged about right-wing paranoia.

Yet Byron York of the Washington Examiner dug back to 1991 to discover that, when George H.W. Bush went to Alice Deal Junior High to speak to America's school kids, the left lost it.

"The White House turned a Northwest Washington junior high classroom into a television studio and its students into props," railed the Washington Post. Education Secretary Lamar Alexander was called before a House committee. The National Education Association denounced Bush. And Congress ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate.

Obama's actual speech proved about as controversial as a Nancy Reagan appeal to eighth-graders to "Just say no!" to drugs.

Yet, the episode reveals the poisoned character of our politics.

We saw it earlier on display in August, when the crowds that came out for town hall meetings to oppose Obama's health-care plans were called "thugs," "fascists," "racists" and "evil-mongers" by national Democrats.

We see it as Rep. Joe Wilson shouts, "You lie!" at the president during his address to a joint session of Congress.

We seem not only to disagree with each other more than ever, but to have come almost to detest one another. Politically, culturally, racially, we seem ever ready to go for each others' throats.

One half of America sees abortion as the annual slaughter of a million unborn. The other half regards the right-to-life movement as tyrannical and sexist.

Proponents of gay marriage see its adversaries as homophobic bigots. Opponents see its champions as seeking to elevate unnatural and immoral relationships to the sacred state of traditional marriage.

The question invites itself. In what sense are we one nation and one people anymore? For what is a nation if not a people of a common ancestry, faith, culture and language, who worship the same God, revere the same heroes, cherish the same history, celebrate the same holidays and share the same music, poetry, art and literature?

Yet, today, Mexican-Americans celebrate Cinco de Mayo, a skirmish in a French-Mexican war about which most Americans know nothing, which took place the same year as two of the bloodiest battles of our own Civil War: Antietam and Fredericksburg.

Christmas and Easter, the great holidays of Christendom, once united Americans in joy. Now we fight over whether they should even be mentioned, let alone celebrated, in our public schools.

Where we used to have classical, pop, country & Western and jazz music, now we have varieties tailored to specific generations, races and ethnic groups. Even our music seems designed to subdivide us.

One part of America loves her history, another reviles it as racist, imperialist and genocidal. Old heroes like Columbus, Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee are replaced by Dr. King and Cesar Chavez.

But the old holidays, heroes and icons endure, as the new have yet to put down roots in a recalcitrant Middle America.

We are not only more divided than ever on politics, faith and morality, but along the lines of class and ethnicity. Those who opposed Sonia Sotomayor for the Supreme Court and stood by Sgt. Crowley in the face-off with Harvard's Henry Louis Gates were called racists. But this time they did not back down. They threw the same vile word right back in the face of their accusers, and Barack Obama.

Consider but a few issues on which Americans have lately been bitterly divided: school prayer, the Ten Commandments, evolution, the death penalty, abortion, homosexuality, assisted suicide, affirmative action, busing, the Confederate battle flag, the Duke rape case, Terri Schiavo, Iraq, amnesty, torture.

Now it is death panels, global warming, "birthers" and socialism. If a married couple disagreed as broadly and deeply as Americans do on such basic issues, they would have divorced and gone their separate ways long ago. What is it that still holds us together?

The European-Christian core of the country that once defined us is shrinking, as Christianity fades, the birth rate falls and Third World immigration surges. Globalism dissolves the economic bonds, while the cacophony of multiculturalism displaces the old American culture.

"E pluribus unum" – out of many, one - was the national motto the men of '76 settled upon. One sees the pluribus. But where is the unum? One sees the diversity. But where is the unity?

Is America, too, breaking up?


SOURCE:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=109478

Anti Federalist
09-10-2009, 07:30 PM
If a married couple disagreed as broadly and deeply as Americans do on such basic issues, they would have divorced and gone their separate ways long ago. What is it that still holds us together?

A couple million federal, state and local goon enforcers, that's what holds us together.

A sizable and growing minority of people, I include myself, are looking for a divorce.

We could walk away...

We're just not ready to let the ex have the kids, home, cars and bank accounts.

Light
09-10-2009, 07:53 PM
Pat Buchanan is right. A lot of the things that made America into the great power she is (or was) are being spit on today. Western civlization is slowly murdering itself, and the same socialist fools that are putting Europe into its grave are trying to bury this country as well. Political correctness and the "new culture" are diseases which will kill our Republic unless we wake up more people.

Epic
09-10-2009, 07:59 PM
Along the same lines (political correctness), a british judge found that global warming is a religion, and that people cannot be fired for their position on global warming:

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/tim-nicholson-a-green-martyr-1648388.html

Light
09-10-2009, 08:01 PM
Along the same lines (political correctness), a british judge found that global warming is a religion, and that people cannot be fired for their position on global warming:

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/tim-nicholson-a-green-martyr-1648388.html

He is right. Global warming is a religion. And humanity is the devil in it.

jclay2
09-10-2009, 08:18 PM
A couple million federal, state and local goon enforcers, that's what holds us together.

A sizable and growing minority of people, I include myself, are looking for a divorce.

We could walk away...

We're just not ready to let the ex have the kids, home, cars and bank accounts.

Exactly. Maybe a few more fire arms and we won't even have to go to the judge to separate.:p:confused::eek:

heavenlyboy34
09-10-2009, 09:06 PM
Yes, Pat-those of us who love liberty are breaking apart from those who love government (slowly, but surely) ;)

Light
09-11-2009, 01:08 AM
Yes, Pat-those of us who love liberty are breaking apart from those who love government (slowly, but surely) ;)

Not quite. If anything the amount of those supporting the growth of the state is swelling.

The key to destoying the state is self-responsiblity and self-reliance. The state loves and relishes our current culture of debauchery and decadence if anything else it creates a society of dependents that cannot regulate, govern, or take care of themselves.

The size of a government in Western society correlates to how childish and irresponsibly its citizenry are.

Many here need to realize that the battle being faced goes beyond political boundaries.

Stary Hickory
09-11-2009, 09:00 AM
It's time for a divorce, that much is obvious. I want to live with people who respect my rights and do not trample them. I belong to myself, that is I own myself. And thereofore anything I produce using my own facilities is mine as well, otherwise someone else is laying claim to my life.

I have always been willing to let socialists live in there own way, as logn as such things were voluntary. The problem is they will not leave people alone. They believe the minds. bodies, and lives of Americans to not belong to them but to some fictional entity called society.

It's a sickness or madness. But I have no problem with people practicing socialism as logn as it is voluntary....but then again socialism is defined by the violence that allows it's existence.

Cowlesy
09-11-2009, 09:09 AM
The balkanization and devolving into a 3rd-rate country.

Pretty much.

tremendoustie
09-11-2009, 09:11 AM
A couple million federal, state and local goon enforcers, that's what holds us together.

A sizable and growing minority of people, I include myself, are looking for a divorce.

We could walk away...

We're just not ready to let the ex have the kids, home, cars and bank accounts.

Well put.

heavenlyboy34
09-11-2009, 09:13 AM
Not quite. If anything the amount of those supporting the growth of the state is swelling.

The key to destoying the state is self-responsiblity and self-reliance. The state loves and relishes our current culture of debauchery and decadence if anything else it creates a society of dependents that cannot regulate, govern, or take care of themselves.

The size of a government in Western society correlates to how childish and irresponsibly its citizenry are.

Many here need to realize that the battle being faced goes beyond political boundaries.

I was referring to anarchists/individualists who don't rely on the State. You have good points otherwise. :cool:

acptulsa
09-11-2009, 09:15 AM
'We saw it earlier on display in August, when the crowds that came out for town hall meetings to oppose Obama's health-care plans were called "thugs," "fascists," "racists" and "evil-mongers" by national Democrats...'

...even as SEIU members beat up some of those protestors. It seems the pot has to call the kettle black, or at least feels the need to.

Divorce, yeah--build a wall between Baltimore and Fredrick, extend it just west of that town down to Fredricksburg, and back to the Atlantic. Call it the Washington Wall and call everything within it the anti-Gault island.

That said, I think our best strategy is to stop being divisive. Just freaking stop it. Tell yourself over and over, no matter if they talk like Che Guevara and/or look like something out of that Wal Mart People thread, that every American is your brother or sister and try to find a way to be inclusive. Because if Americans forget that we are all Americans, how big a boon is that to the forces of globalization? Can you think of a bigger victory for them?

MsDoodahs
09-11-2009, 09:19 AM
The balkanization and devolving into a 3rd-rate country.

Pretty much.

Have hope, Cowlesy, that at least SOMEWHERE in the breakup there will be a place that embraces the principles of liberty...

I have hope...

MsDoodahs
09-11-2009, 09:22 AM
Tell yourself over and over, no matter if they talk like Che Guevara and/or look like something out of that Wal Mart People thread, that every American is your brother or sister and try to find a way to be inclusive.

NO.

Every "American" is NOT my brother or sister and I will NOT tell myself ANY MORE that such a LIE is true.

acptulsa
09-11-2009, 09:46 AM
NO.

Every "American" is NOT my brother or sister and I will NOT tell myself ANY MORE that such a LIE is true.

I understand what you mean. That wasn't a good choice of words, was it--tends to lead to the 'brother's keeper' trap. But, you know, there's still a strong spirit of self-reliance and a strong love of liberty here that they haven't killed yet, and that's stronger than the issues they use to drive those 'left/right' divisions.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, a kind word turns away wrath and helps people see who the real enemy is. We need to stop letting our enemies define the term 'enemy'. For some reason, they always seem to get it wrong...

armstrong
09-11-2009, 10:04 AM
if we divorce, how much will we have to pay in spousal support? :eek:

BlackTerrel
09-11-2009, 01:17 PM
Pat's barely even trying to hide it anymore. I guess that's what happens when you're really really old and only have a couple years left. Why hide your true beliefs at this point?


We seem not only to disagree with each other more than ever, but to have come almost to detest one another. Politically, culturally, racially, we seem ever ready to go for each others' throats.

Not really. Pat's living in his own little world where people are obsessed with politics and race and that's all they care about. People disagree politically, but most aren't going to kill over it. I have friends across the political spectrum, racial spectrum and religious spectrum. Go to any college campus - people don't divide themselves by political views.


The question invites itself. In what sense are we one nation and one people anymore? For what is a nation if not a people of a common ancestry, faith, culture and language, who worship the same God, revere the same heroes, cherish the same history, celebrate the same holidays and share the same music, poetry, art and literature?

Now we get to the crux of the matter. This is Pat's problem. We don't share the same ancestry or faith... Again - he's barely trying to hide it anymore.


Where we used to have classical, pop, country & Western and jazz music, now we have varieties tailored to specific generations, races and ethnic groups. Even our music seems designed to subdivide us.

Which music are you talking about Pat? Must be that evil rap music :D


The European-Christian core of the country that once defined us is shrinking, as Christianity fades, the birth rate falls and Third World immigration surges. Globalism dissolves the economic bonds, while the cacophony of multiculturalism displaces the old American culture.

He sums it up nicely here. This is his problem 100%. Less European, less Christian, more non-whites. I know that sucks for you Pat but you're a dying breed - perhaps that is why you got 1% of the vote last time you ran.

Pat is a harmless old racist white guy who's bitter because the nation he grew up in (read segregation) is long gone. He has a couple years left and he'll become even more bitter as time goes on.

The only thing I question is why this guy is help up as some kind of icon on RPF. When his message is not at all similar to that of Ron Paul.

kahless
09-11-2009, 01:23 PM
Pat's barely even trying to hide it anymore. I guess that's what happens when you're really really old and only have a couple years left. Why hide your true beliefs at this point?



Not really. Pat's living in his own little world where people are obsessed with politics and race and that's all they care about. People disagree politically, but most aren't going to kill over it. I have friends across the political spectrum, racial spectrum and religious spectrum. Go to any college campus - people don't divide themselves by political views.



Now we get to the crux of the matter. This is Pat's problem. We don't share the same ancestry or faith... Again - he's barely trying to hide it anymore.



Which music are you talking about Pat? Must be that evil rap music :D



He sums it up nicely here. This is his problem 100%. Less European, less Christian, more non-whites. I know that sucks for you Pat but you're a dying breed - perhaps that is why you got 1% of the vote last time you ran.

Pat is a harmless old racist white guy who's bitter because the nation he grew up in (read segregation) is long gone. He has a couple years left and he'll become even more bitter as time goes on.

The only thing I question is why this guy is help up as some kind of icon on RPF. When his message is not at all similar to that of Ron Paul.

Examples? I have read Pat's book and articles. All I have seen is that he states the facts about the history of the world and this country which might make some uncomfortable since it is counter to beliefs they learned in the public school system. That is hardly racist and it would do you some good to educate yourself by reading Pats books rather than make an ignorant racist accusations.

BlackTerrel
09-11-2009, 01:44 PM
Examples? I have read Pat's book and articles. All I have seen is that he states the facts about the history of the world and this country which might make some uncomfortable since it is counter to beliefs they learned in the public school system. That is hardly racist and it would do you some good to educate yourself by reading Pats books rather than make an ignorant racist accusations.

I've read and seen enough of Pat to know. If you can't see it in the article posted then you have blinders on.

For what is a nation if not a people of a common ancestry, faith, culture and language, who worship the same God?

I'd argue that you can have a nation of people who are not all of the same faith and ancestry (read: race). Then again I'm not racist.

FrankRep
09-11-2009, 01:51 PM
Pat is a harmless old racist white guy who's bitter because the nation he grew up in (read segregation) is long gone. He has a couple years left and he'll become even more bitter as time goes on.


I've read and seen enough of Pat to know. If you can't see it in the article posted then you have blinders on.

For what is a nation if not a people of a common ancestry, faith, culture and language, who worship the same God?

I'd argue that you can have a nation of people who are not all of the same faith and ancestry (read: race). Then again I'm not racist.

Be tolerant of people who think different from you, BlackTerrel.

Oh the Irony.

Light
09-11-2009, 04:14 PM
Examples? I have read Pat's book and articles. All I have seen is that he states the facts about the history of the world and this country which might make some uncomfortable since it is counter to beliefs they learned in the public school system. That is hardly racist and it would do you some good to educate yourself by reading Pats books rather than make an ignorant racist accusations.

This.

Mini-Me
09-11-2009, 04:29 PM
The only thing I question is why this guy is help up as some kind of icon on RPF. When his message is not at all similar to that of Ron Paul.

I think it's mainly because of a mostly principled fiscal conservatism, an opposition to centralized economic power, and a belief in national sovereignty over one world rule...and I guess the social conservative WASPs have more to like about him. Buchanan's social conservatism really alienates me, but I still have some respect for him simply because he's way closer to us on several important political issues than almost every other public figure there is. Basically, I think you're seeing "beggars can't be choosers syndrome." ;)

Light
09-11-2009, 04:42 PM
[QUOTE=Mini-Me;2311446]I think it's mainly because of a mostly principled fiscal conservatism, an opposition to centralized economic power, and a belief in national sovereignty over one world rule...QUOTE]

Not to mention he is for non-interventionism. His site even links to Campaign for Liberty, DailyPaul, and Lew Rockwell, and Antiwar.com

Mini-Me
09-11-2009, 04:45 PM
I think it's mainly because of a mostly principled fiscal conservatism, an opposition to centralized economic power, and a belief in national sovereignty over one world rule...

Not to mention he is for non-interventionism. His site even links to Campaign for Liberty, DailyPaul, and Lew Rockwell, and Antiwar.com

Ah crap, you're right, I did forget! Yeah, the fact that he's a fiscal conservative without a neocon foreign policy helps a bundle too.

amy31416
09-11-2009, 04:47 PM
Not to mention he is for non-interventionism. His site even links to Campaign for Liberty, DailyPaul, and Lew Rockwell, and Antiwar.com

I can't believe I've never checked out his blog before, it's quite nice:

http://buchanan.org/blog/

Flash
09-11-2009, 04:49 PM
Yeah it is happening, Pat is 100% in the right. But in Terrel's defence, there has been plenty of WNs on this forum in the past who have basically agued the same points Buchanan made and were banned for racism. In all fairness...


Where we used to have classical, pop, country & Western and jazz music, now we have varieties tailored to specific generations, races and ethnic groups. Even our music seems designed to subdivide us.

Yeah this is very true. We are no longer a true nation. But most of it was due to catholic immigration to be honest about it. Even though I'm descendents of Catholic immigrants, it is still true. They were largely the force that was pushing for ethnic diversity in America. Just look at Ted Kennedy. Anyways, we have a serious problem on our hand since the rising Hispanic minority votes for the most socialist of candidates on average.

Liberty Star
09-11-2009, 05:18 PM
We were supposed to unite Iraqis into a shiny example of the freedom under bold Republican leadership, this was not be the outcome here at home in the end. So ironical.

BlackTerrel
09-11-2009, 05:46 PM
Yeah this is very true. We are no longer a true nation. But most of it was due to catholic immigration to be honest about it. Even though I'm descendents of Catholic immigrants, it is still true. They were largely the force that was pushing for ethnic diversity in America. Just look at Ted Kennedy. Anyways, we have a serious problem on our hand since the rising Hispanic minority votes for the most socialist of candidates on average.

As opposed to the white majority that voted for George Bush?

There are a lot of problems in this country but they're not racial. Buchanan's arguments always come down to race. He's not a big fan of blacks or Hispanics. Or Jews for that matter.

The problems in this country are not due to rap music or to the fact that we're not 90% "European-Christians" like we used to be... which is what Pat is arguing in this piece.

InterestedParticipant
09-11-2009, 05:49 PM
No, it is the cryptocracy that is coming apart, Patrick.

Light
09-11-2009, 05:56 PM
As opposed to the white majority that voted for George Bush?

There are a lot of problems in this country but they're not racial. Buchanan's arguments always come down to race. He's not a big fan of blacks or Hispanics. Or Jews for that matter.

The problems in this country are not due to rap music or to the fact that we're not 90% "European-Christians" like we used to be... which is what Pat is arguing in this piece.

Read these essays if you want to better understand the point Buchanan is trying to make:

http://buchanan.org/blog/pjb-the-return-of-ethnic-nationalism-956

http://buchanan.org/blog/pjb-globalism-vs-ethnonationalism-1381

Buchanan fears balkanization. Traditionally, balkanization has happened when there was no ethnic or political majority in a country or nation. Presently we are balkanizing for political reasons.

InterestedParticipant
09-11-2009, 06:02 PM
Buchanan fears balkanization. Traditionally, balkanization has happened when there was no ethnic or political majority in a country or nation. Presently we are balkanizing for political reasons.

Well, that's what the cryptocracy is trying to create, sure. I think they'll fail... in fact, they are failing. They're campaigns of division are falling flat on their face.

Anti Federalist
09-11-2009, 06:10 PM
I've read and seen enough of Pat to know. If you can't see it in the article posted then you have blinders on.

For what is a nation if not a people of a common ancestry, faith, culture and language, who worship the same God?

I'd argue that you can have a nation of people who are not all of the same faith and ancestry (read: race). Then again I'm not racist.

The only way such a society, or nation/state can endure, is if there is another, larger, transmutable truth and philosophy in which to bind people together.

The Soviet Empire, (the most recent empire to collapse) tried to use the vision of the "New Soviet Man".

We know how that worked out for them.

In the United States it was thought that freedom, liberty and independence would bind us.

Clearly it's not, when the vast majority of people think it's perfectly OK to rob their neighbor, as long as the person doing the robbing has a badge and a law.

American Idol
09-11-2009, 06:26 PM
He sums it up nicely here. This is his problem 100%. Less European, less Christian, more non-whites. I know that sucks for you Pat but you're a dying breed - perhaps that is why you got 1% of the vote last time you ran.


You do realize that when Pat received 1% of the vote in 2000, his running mate was a black woman?

kahless
09-11-2009, 06:41 PM
You do realize that when Pat received 1% of the vote in 2000, his running mate was a black woman?

Ezola Foster. This was the first time in history that an African-American had been nominated for Vice-President by an FEC-recognized and federally-funding political party, and the second time a woman had accomplished this. But the media some how still called him a racist and tried to ignore this fact. This was no different from when they called Ron Paul a racist in the 2008 campaign. If you are not favored by the beltway and the MSM you must be a racist. The average joe just eats stuff like that up as demonstrated here.

American Idol
09-11-2009, 08:19 PM
There are a lot of problems in this country but they're not racial. Buchanan's arguments always come down to race. He's not a big fan of blacks or Hispanics.


"I was born black, I attended all-Negro schools including college, I grew up in the segregated South during Jim Crow. If anybody knows a racist, I do. Pat Buchanan ain't no racist." - Ezola Foster

Dunedain
09-11-2009, 08:21 PM
Pat is right. Too much diversity, not enough unity. 3rd world people = third world nation.

When the federal government bankrupts itself it will be interesting to see how the different bickering races all "balkanize" - or whatever euphemism we'll be using then for the word "segregate".

InterestedParticipant
09-11-2009, 10:27 PM
"I was born black, I attended all-Negro schools including college, I grew up in the segregated South during Jim Crow. If anybody knows a racist, I do. Pat Buchanan ain't no racist." - Ezola Foster
I agree, Ezola, he's just your plain ole Elitist.

FrankRep
09-12-2009, 09:14 AM
No, it is the cryptocracy that is coming apart, Patrick.
Can you expand on this?

RevolutionSD
09-12-2009, 10:36 AM
Is America coming apart? (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=109478)


Patrick J. Buchanan | World Net Daily
September 10, 2009


Flying home from London, where the subject of formal debate on the 70th anniversary of World War II had been whether Winston Churchill was a liability or asset to the Free World, one arrives in the middle of a far more acrimonious national debate right here in the United States.

At issue: Should Barack Obama be allowed to address tens of millions of American children, inside their classrooms, during school hours?

Conservative talk-show hosts saw a White House scheme to turn public schools into indoctrination centers where the socialist ideology of Obama would be spoon-fed to captive audiences of children forced to listen to Big Brother -- and then do assignments on his sermon.

The liberal commentariat raged about right-wing paranoia.

Yet Byron York of the Washington Examiner dug back to 1991 to discover that, when George H.W. Bush went to Alice Deal Junior High to speak to America's school kids, the left lost it.

"The White House turned a Northwest Washington junior high classroom into a television studio and its students into props," railed the Washington Post. Education Secretary Lamar Alexander was called before a House committee. The National Education Association denounced Bush. And Congress ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate.

Obama's actual speech proved about as controversial as a Nancy Reagan appeal to eighth-graders to "Just say no!" to drugs.

Yet, the episode reveals the poisoned character of our politics.

We saw it earlier on display in August, when the crowds that came out for town hall meetings to oppose Obama's health-care plans were called "thugs," "fascists," "racists" and "evil-mongers" by national Democrats.

We see it as Rep. Joe Wilson shouts, "You lie!" at the president during his address to a joint session of Congress.

We seem not only to disagree with each other more than ever, but to have come almost to detest one another. Politically, culturally, racially, we seem ever ready to go for each others' throats.

One half of America sees abortion as the annual slaughter of a million unborn. The other half regards the right-to-life movement as tyrannical and sexist.

Proponents of gay marriage see its adversaries as homophobic bigots. Opponents see its champions as seeking to elevate unnatural and immoral relationships to the sacred state of traditional marriage.

The question invites itself. In what sense are we one nation and one people anymore? For what is a nation if not a people of a common ancestry, faith, culture and language, who worship the same God, revere the same heroes, cherish the same history, celebrate the same holidays and share the same music, poetry, art and literature?

Yet, today, Mexican-Americans celebrate Cinco de Mayo, a skirmish in a French-Mexican war about which most Americans know nothing, which took place the same year as two of the bloodiest battles of our own Civil War: Antietam and Fredericksburg.

Christmas and Easter, the great holidays of Christendom, once united Americans in joy. Now we fight over whether they should even be mentioned, let alone celebrated, in our public schools.

Where we used to have classical, pop, country & Western and jazz music, now we have varieties tailored to specific generations, races and ethnic groups. Even our music seems designed to subdivide us.

One part of America loves her history, another reviles it as racist, imperialist and genocidal. Old heroes like Columbus, Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee are replaced by Dr. King and Cesar Chavez.

But the old holidays, heroes and icons endure, as the new have yet to put down roots in a recalcitrant Middle America.

We are not only more divided than ever on politics, faith and morality, but along the lines of class and ethnicity. Those who opposed Sonia Sotomayor for the Supreme Court and stood by Sgt. Crowley in the face-off with Harvard's Henry Louis Gates were called racists. But this time they did not back down. They threw the same vile word right back in the face of their accusers, and Barack Obama.

Consider but a few issues on which Americans have lately been bitterly divided: school prayer, the Ten Commandments, evolution, the death penalty, abortion, homosexuality, assisted suicide, affirmative action, busing, the Confederate battle flag, the Duke rape case, Terri Schiavo, Iraq, amnesty, torture.

Now it is death panels, global warming, "birthers" and socialism. If a married couple disagreed as broadly and deeply as Americans do on such basic issues, they would have divorced and gone their separate ways long ago. What is it that still holds us together?

The European-Christian core of the country that once defined us is shrinking, as Christianity fades, the birth rate falls and Third World immigration surges. Globalism dissolves the economic bonds, while the cacophony of multiculturalism displaces the old American culture.

"E pluribus unum" – out of many, one - was the national motto the men of '76 settled upon. One sees the pluribus. But where is the unum? One sees the diversity. But where is the unity?

Is America, too, breaking up?


SOURCE:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=109478

I don't like this article.
Buchannan is taking minor issues like abortion and gay marriage and claiming they are dividing the country? Nonsense.

The real division is between the freedom lovers and the statists.

KramerDSP
09-12-2009, 10:38 AM
I don't like this article.
Buchannan is taking minor issues like abortion and gay marriage and claiming they are dividing the country? Nonsense.

The real division is between the freedom lovers and the statists.

I agree 1000% with you. He was headed in the right direction, but then he lost me.

LibertyEagle
09-12-2009, 10:40 AM
I don't like this article.
Buchannan is taking minor issues like abortion and gay marriage and claiming they are dividing the country? Nonsense.

The real division is between the freedom lovers and the statists.

Most people don't stop to think on these terms though. They take a stand against or for issues. Most don't stop to think that if they involve government (especially at the federal level) in the solution of the perceived problem, they are destroying the very thing that they think they are defending.

BlackTerrel
09-14-2009, 04:03 AM
Read these essays if you want to better understand the point Buchanan is trying to make:

http://buchanan.org/blog/pjb-the-return-of-ethnic-nationalism-956

http://buchanan.org/blog/pjb-globalism-vs-ethnonationalism-1381

Buchanan fears balkanization. Traditionally, balkanization has happened when there was no ethnic or political majority in a country or nation. Presently we are balkanizing for political reasons.

That's not what Pat is arguing. I've read his work. Pay argues that we're coming apart because we're not as European (read: white) or Christian (read: too many Jews) as we aught to be. This is exactly what he states in this article that everyone here is so psyched about. Pat is pissed because "blacks and other non-whites are becoming too numerous and uppity" - he just says it a little bit nicer.

BlackTerrel
09-14-2009, 04:04 AM
"I was born black, I attended all-Negro schools including college, I grew up in the segregated South during Jim Crow. If anybody knows a racist, I do. Pat Buchanan ain't no racist." - Ezola Foster

Ezola Foster isn't a spokeswoman for black people. I know tons of black people, none of them has ever expressed admiration for this woman.

Pat's own words are what he should be judged by. His views are clear.

BlackTerrel
09-14-2009, 04:04 AM
Pat is right. Too much diversity, not enough unity. 3rd world people = third world nation.

Could you clarify? 3rd world people, 3rd world nation?

Pod
09-14-2009, 04:54 AM
He sums it up nicely here. This is his problem 100%. Less European, less Christian, more non-whites. I know that sucks for you Pat but you're a dying breed - perhaps that is why you got 1% of the vote last time you ran.

Pat is a harmless old racist white guy who's bitter because the nation he grew up in (read segregation) is long gone. He has a couple years left and he'll become even more bitter as time goes on.

What a good way of proving Buchanan`s point. You can`t even read his piece word by word, but are instead moved to have a knee-jerk reaction and go spout a load of crappola.

Nothing to do with segregation. Nice attack on the person rather than the argument here. Quite the opoosite, Buchanan is here lamenting the lack of integration. It is cultural fragmentation within the US that has him worried.

For Buchanan integration isn`t just people taking a crap in the same shitters, but people being gathered under one single cultural umbrella. He is lamenting and voicing concern about Americans being taught different versions of history, marking different holidays and celebrating different heroes.

He is seeing his All-American culture on the retreat, in its place a pool of many particular, fragmented cultures arising which are at odds with one another and seemingly incapable of dialogue.

It used to be that Americans shared a somewhat similar world outlook and many similar tastes and goals so dialogue was always possible, but now more and more alienation, fragmentation are arising in its place curbing the possibility of dialogue and giving rise to open hostility and intolerance.

As demonstrated by your own posts here. You are so far removed from Buchanan`s world you can`t even begin to recognise what is he saying, but instead just automaticaly respond with poisonous hostility.

rprprs
09-14-2009, 07:13 AM
I think that if one were to read this article knowing absolutely nothing about Pat Buchanan, one could still easily recognize the author's cultural and ethnic bias. I'm also sure that if Pat were to propose "solutions", many of those would not be deemed acceptable to most in these forums.

Nonetheless, I believe the overall point he makes here is spot on and undeniable. The various factions in this country...racial, cultural, political, etc...are digging their heels in deeper every day. The divisions are widening and, most regrettably, these divisions are all fostered by a government that feeds off them.

Despite whatever faults we can find with its author, the article is insightful and thought-provoking.

Pericles
09-14-2009, 07:50 AM
The only way such a society, or nation/state can endure, is if there is another, larger, transmutable truth and philosophy in which to bind people together.

The Soviet Empire, (the most recent empire to collapse) tried to use the vision of the "New Soviet Man".

We know how that worked out for them.

In the United States it was thought that freedom, liberty and independence would bind us.

Clearly it's not, when the vast majority of people think it's perfectly OK to rob their neighbor, as long as the person doing the robbing has a badge and a law.

This - it is much easier to have a nation when everyone shares the same ethnicity, speaks the same language, and has the same set of religious and moral principles.

The is US is founded on an ideal that is supposed to transcend that - the ideal of individual liberty and personal security in life and possessions for all citizens. That is no longer the ideal for a no longer insignificant percentage of the population. A single flag and currency is what ties an empire together, not a nation.

SelfTaught
09-14-2009, 07:50 AM
Ezola Foster isn't a spokeswoman for black people. I know tons of black people, none of them has ever expressed admiration for this woman.

Black people don't express a whole lot of admiration for Thomas Sowell or Walter E Williams either (they are black by the way, in case you didn't know, and they are both well known authors and economists). They both expressed their opinions that affirmative action, welfare, and the civil rights movement, in general, have done more to undermine black success and well being than any racists that exist today, and both have been shunned by blacks.

In fact, I was having an argument with one of my black coworkers about discrimination and was trying to have her read an article by Walter E Williams. She said she will not read any article that criticizes black people. We live in such a politically correct world that hardly anyone can talk about other races (or in the case of black people, their OWN race -- I'm talking real criticism, not comedy) without being labeled a racist (or Uncle Tom).

If Pat grew up in segregation, so what? Many people his age probably did. I have no problem with segregation as long as it's voluntary. Let me ask you a question, what's so great about diversity? Should diversity be forced? If I have a home and a business, should I be forced to serve or hire blacks or invite them into my home if I don't want to? I'll let you answer that one, then ask you if you are on the side of freedom (voluntary exchange and association) or on the side of coercion (government and statism).

New York For Paul
09-14-2009, 08:43 AM
My observations.

In the major cities you now have people of color telling white people to move back to Idaho. They seem to think that is where white people live mostly.

In many cities, like Los Angeles, people of different races cannot go into certain neighborhoods, especially after dark. Boyle heights or parts of south central where the Rodney king riots started.

In Koreatown, that is extremely dangerous for outsiders.

Even in the most liberal of towns, like DC, NY etc, you have recent immigrants who claim they are discriminated against by the most liberal of white people.

Even when the liberal areas bend over backward, certain groups still feel there are problems.

Spend some time out on the street and you will notice the hostilities that are brewing and people just biding their time to express it.

Cowlesy
09-14-2009, 08:51 AM
The only way such a society, or nation/state can endure, is if there is another, larger, transmutable truth and philosophy in which to bind people together.

The Soviet Empire, (the most recent empire to collapse) tried to use the vision of the "New Soviet Man".

We know how that worked out for them.

In the United States it was thought that freedom, liberty and independence would bind us.

Clearly it's not, when the vast majority of people think it's perfectly OK to rob their neighbor, as long as the person doing the robbing has a badge and a law.

+ Infinity

SelfTaught
09-14-2009, 08:59 AM
Spend some time out on the street and you will notice the hostilities that are brewing and people just biding their time to express it.

That's exactly what I'm been saying for a while. The Obama administration did not transcend race. In fact, I knew exactly what his election would mean in terms of racial relations: It's a historical moment for a black man to get elected as President, and if you criticize him, you can't stand the fact that the president is a black man. I've also been trying to tell people interested in converting people to liberty to not waste their time spreading the message to minorities that are extremely unlikely to listen to views critical of Obama. Not that they're hopeless, but it takes a whole lot more effort.

BlackTerrel
09-14-2009, 08:44 PM
If Pat grew up in segregation, so what? Many people his age probably did.

I'm sure they did. But they don't wax poetic about how awesome it was. Put it this way - every black person I've met Pat's age has never told me about "how great things were back in the day" as Pat does.


I have no problem with segregation as long as it's voluntary. Let me ask you a question, what's so great about diversity? Should diversity be forced? If I have a home and a business, should I be forced to serve or hire blacks or invite them into my home if I don't want to? I'll let you answer that one, then ask you if you are on the side of freedom (voluntary exchange and association) or on the side of coercion (government and statism).

You don't need government intervention here. If you had a business and said you refused to hire or serve blacks you'd be boycotted. (By both blacks and whites).

max
09-14-2009, 08:50 PM
I'm sure they did. But they don't wax poetic about how awesome it was. Put it this way - every black person I've met Pat's age has never told me about "how great things were back in the day" as Pat does.



You don't need government intervention here. If you had a business and said you refused to hire or serve blacks you'd be boycotted. (By both blacks and whites).

The old black communities were solid and happy. ..Schools were good...Black owned businesses and a middle class flourished....Black universities were top notch....Divorce rate was lower than that of whites...churches were strong...crime in the hood was very low.....no racial tension....and the negro baseball leagues were a great institution...

I'm not saying every thing was perfect in America...but this idea that blacks lived under horrible oppression until ML King came along is FALSE!

InterestedParticipant
09-15-2009, 10:56 AM
Can you expand on this?
When I said "No, it is the cryptocracy that is coming apart, Patrick" ... I meant that the cryptocracy attracts the psychopathic personality, for that is what is required to secretly plan and engage in such heinous crimes against humanity. It is the psychopathic personality (the ones with the deficient Amygdala (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amygdala)in the brain) who seek unlimited power and who possess no human traits of empathy, allowing them to feed on anything that will promote power and facilitate survival.

There are many many movies that attempt to depict humanity as this type of psychopathic being, turning on each other in times of despair. Day of the Locusts did this in its famous climax scene. We've also seen it in a number of end-of-times type movies as well as catastrophe movies.

The reality of the situation is that humanity does not behave in this way. When humanity is not under strong manipulative forces (as it is now), humanity survives by helping each other, helping strangers, and demonstrating strong compassion. Katrina is a great example. For those watching the events on TV, the psychopath controlled media portrayed the situation as chaos and people "turning on" each other, which is the trait of the psychopathic personality. For those who were there, and saw the situation first hand, they saw a community of people who acted calmly, showed empathy, and acted in an orderly and adult like manner in an effort to help themselves and others.

So, once power is achieved by these types of people, it is only natural that in their limitless quest for power, that they will eventually turn-on and against each other in search of that power. Once the sheeple are seduced/suppressed and are under their control, they have no where to focus their attention but on each other. This is what we are witnessing now... this is the beginning.

I posted this article previously which got little attention here, but it reflects my sentiment...



OpEdNews
http://www.opednews.com/populum/diarypage.php?did=14121


America as Immovable Object
August 21, 2009
By Tom Huff

Our founders instilled an indelible spirit into each sovereign individual who occupies this land that cannot be socially engineered out of us.

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The founders did more than create docs such as Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation and the US Constitution.... They instilled an indelible spirit into each sovereign individual who occupies this land that cannot be socially engineered out of us. Call it spirit, call it the ghost in the machine, but whatever 'it' is it is omnipotent and an unchangeable universal truth.


The Club of Rome's climate change initiates are failing

The eugenics focused health care efforts will fail

People are starting to throw of political correctness forces

While NAFTA/GATT induced economic impoverishment has been temporarily successful the establishments industrial machine now based in china sits relatively idle unless stimulated by establishment programs such as cash for clunkers.

False flag operations are now virtually transparent

COINTEL agitation techniques are largely visible and self evident



Sure, the technological control grids continue in accelerated fashion, but what good are these devises when the public recognizes their various use cases and techniques of control?

The entire establishments system is almost exclusively based upon deception of the public. But even after almost 100years of attacks on our education system they have been unable to mitigate America's ghost in the machine.

We now can see public evidence of the technocracies implosion, with psychopaths used as front men showing their desperation and fear as they do only what they know how to do, and that is turn on each other.

We are entering a new phase now, as we embark upon a new session of congress and as the pressures to stay within the planned time line increase. I suspect we will observe a dramatic increase in murders of political and beltway actors, as the technocracy does what it only knows how to do, and that is to climb the power ladder at all cost.

BlackTerrel
09-15-2009, 08:16 PM
The old black communities were solid and happy. ..Schools were good...Black owned businesses and a middle class flourished....Black universities were top notch....Divorce rate was lower than that of whites...churches were strong...crime in the hood was very low.....no racial tension....and the negro baseball leagues were a great institution...

I'm not saying every thing was perfect in America...but this idea that blacks lived under horrible oppression until ML King came along is FALSE!

Wow you paint such a rosy picture? Can't use the white bathroom/white water fountain/white swimming pool/white laundromat? Have to make way in the front of the bus for "superior white people".

Yeah times were grand :rolleyes:

Of course it doesn't shock me that you think that way. With your admiration for Hitler and all.