Video: Joe Wilson ( R-SC), a Patriot or an Hypocrite?

[Liberty Star]

What is your view on him, he yelled at Obama "you lie" during his health care speech today?

YouTube - "You Lie!" - Rep. Joe Wilson OWNS Barack Obama on Illegal Immigration at Congress Health Care Speech (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APYh5Z8xmBw)


Here was my quick reaction on this.


Yes , especially if he didn't vote for Bush bailouts, Iraqi freedom, Patriot act etc. Then he's bold and not just a partisan hack suddenly turned patriot.



EDIT: Nevermind. While exposing Obama's policies is good, I withdraw my qualified praise for his guts.

Joe Wilson

Voted NO on investigating Bush impeachment for lying about Iraq. (Jun 2008)

Voted NO on redeploying US troops out of Iraq starting in 90 days. (May 2007)
Voted YES on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date. (Jun 2006)

Voted YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)




http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Joe_Wilson.htm


Few things I detest more than hypocrisy.

[awake]

His comment overshadowed the whole speech. It is all I remember.

[Kbeaubs]

Nothing you posted shows hypocrisy. It shows he has differing views than you.

Was calling the president out on a lie being a patriot? Yes. A balsy balsy patriot. Even people you disagree with can be patriots every now and then.

[Liberty Star]

So he thinks Bush was telling the truth and Obama is lying; so this is an issue of inteligence/stupidity then and not hypocrisy?

He won't get any medals from anyone for holding such a blatantly bogus/partisan stance imo.

[awake]

Everyone gets that moment when they are the smartest person in the room, he just had his.

[Liberty Star]

Everyone gets that moment when they are the smartest person in the room, he just had his.

Yea, you're also right that his "gutsy yelling" would be celeberated/scorned upon to infintum and will overshadow any real debate on speech.

[james1906]

OH NOES!!111!! Teh presadint was insulted!

Don't the British have prime minister's questions weekly? They do that all the time in parliament, so don't look shocked comrade Pelosi.

[reagle]

Joe Wilson apologizes
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0909/Wilson_apologizes.html

[Dr.3D]

Everyone gets that moment when they are the smartest person in the room, he just had his.

Exactly, he knew Obama was either not informed or lying. I suspect he figured Obama could not be misinformed as to illegals being covered so he told the truth as he saw it and told Obama he was lying.

[awake]

"it is not permissible to use language that is personally offensive to the President, such as referring to him as a 'hypocrite' or a 'liar.'"

lol.. wouldn't they like that rule to be worldwide.

[james1906]

Joe Wilson apologizes
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0909/Wilson_apologizes.html

and his balls go back in a jar under the bed

[Liberty Star]

Joe Wilson apologizes
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0909/Wilson_apologizes.html

That was quick, hold back the "Gutsy in Washington award" then :)

[jmdrake]

Nothing you posted shows hypocrisy. It shows he has differing views than you.

Was calling the president out on a lie being a patriot? Yes. A balsy balsy patriot. Even people you disagree with can be patriots every now and then.

+1776. Patriot for speaking his mind at a critical juncture in this country's history. Hypocrit for voting for the bailout.

[Epic]

truth to power

[ShowMeLiberty]

Joe Wilson apologizes
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0909/Wilson_apologizes.html


Wilson, a reader notes, violated the House Republicans' stated rules of decorum, which say, "The precedents of the House allow a wide latitude in criticism of the President, other executive officials, and the government itself. However, it is not permissible to use language that is personally offensive to the President, such as referring to him as a 'hypocrite' or a 'liar.'"

What a bunch of crap. Obama IS a liar. :mad:

[Dr.3D]

What a bunch of crap. Obama IS a liar. :mad:
Maybe that is supposed to be kept secret to protect national security. :rolleyes:

[jmdrake]

A moron hypocrite who should be censured.

Oh brother! I was going to vote "other" but thanks to your comment I voted "Patriot". Right now we need more partisan rancor in Washington. Various bailouts, a stimulus package and cap and trade (in the house anyway) sailed through with only token opposition. That "you lie" spoke for millions of Americans.

[awake]

Finally, after finding the 'You lie' button on my remote, and pressing it a zillion times to try and get it to work , it did!

[Liberty Star]

That "you lie" spoke for millions of Americans.

If these are same millions who were saying "Trust the President" when Bush was doing his thing, we either have millions of partisan hypocrites and informationally challanged people in America.

[Dr.3D]

Where was he or any other member of Congress yelling you lie at George W. Bush invading Iraq? There's no need to insult the POTUS at a formal speech.

Well, he was just telling the truth this time.

It is sort of like the little kid who yelled out, "look the king is not wearing any clothes!"

[Kbeaubs]

Finally, after finding the 'You lie' button on my remote, and pressing it a zillion times to try and get it to work , it did!

I'm stealing this line for a few other sites :D

[Mandrik]

I said other. He's a textbook politician that isn't on the side of liberty. He just so happened to have an epic pwnage moment tonight that I find hilarious--but that's about it.

[Imperial]

Yea, you're also right that his "gutsy yelling" would be celeberated/scorned upon to infintum and will overshadow any real debate on speech.

That was the real point. Somebody had to do it for the Republicans- they can't have people actually THINKING about the content of the speech. If people started doing that, why it might undermine the entire false paradigm. Who knows what would happen if we had honest debate.

No, now the reporters, the people, the pundits, the parties, everybody gets what they want.

[LibertyEagle]

How about praising when they do something right and criticizing when they do something wrong.

What he did tonight was a good thing.

[Liberty Star]

How about praising when they do something right and criticizing when they do something wrong.

What he did tonight was a good thing.

Problem with such selective application of principles is that then we end up with status quo of partisan hacking and nothing changes; Republican "do the right thing" when Dems are running the show and Dems "do the right thing" when Republican are in power. How about praising gutsy principled people who tell the truth even when there own party is in power or regardless of the party label?

Then you can raise 5 million dollars in 24 hours and launch a national movement. That trend has to continue, not bogged down by becoming part of partisan politics as usual.

[jmdrake]

If these are same millions who were saying "Trust the President" when Bush was doing his thing, we either have millions of partisan hypocrites and informationally challanged people in America.

Obama's popularity is dropping like a rock across all demographic groups. Some of those millions who now shout "you lie" voted for Obama in the general election.

[jmdrake]

It was a disrespectful wrong thing and against the rules of the House, he should or is going to be censured and it might ruin his career.

He probably only helped himself among his own constituents. And with the country going to hell in a handbasket I care nothing about the "rules of the House" and there's far more at stake now than someone's career. I wish more career politicians cared less about their careers and more about the truth. America would be a better place.

[james1906]

It was a disrespectful wrong thing and against the rules of the House, he should or is going to be censured and it might ruin his career.

He's a Republican from South Carolina. Calling a Democrat president a liar will only help your career. It's not like he snuck off to Argentina to cheat on his wife.

[james1906]

Most people who get censured wind up resigning or losing next election.

He's not Cynthia McKinney, he didn't go up the dais and smack him.

[NYgs23]

Nothing holy about the president. Nothing holy about the "office of the president." It's the most powerful position in the history of the world and, as such, has done more harm than virtually any other position in the history of the world. It deserves to be taken down a few pegs.

[Liberty Star]

A moron hypocrite who should be censured.

You're being too harsh on someone for just exercising free speech even if it broke some unwritten washington protocols :)
If it wasn't an exercise in hypocrisy also, it would have made more interesting news.

[fletcher]

I think you don't know what hypocrisy means. It doesn't mean 'something I disagree with.'

[Dionysus]

How about praising when they do something right and criticizing when they do something wrong.

What he did tonight was a good thing.

Indeed. And he's already apologized! I hate it when people apologize!!!!!!!!!! Not only are the same people mad at you, but now I look down upon your lack of consistency and self-respect. NEVER APOLOGIZE.

Wouldn't "it likely won't happen again" have sufficed?

[awake]

"You lie" sums up this whole God forsaken mess. Regardless of who spoke it and weather it was out of line is irrelevant. Those two words uttered tonight could easily stand to become the defining description of how we as a people, as a humanity, have come to the edge of an abyss; Led there by lies and deception on such a grand scale that it serves to become the quintessential unavoidable lesson to us all - there is no bailout for this.

[Liberty Star]

I think you don't know what hypocrisy means. It doesn't mean 'something I disagree with.'

Or maybe I was being polite and didn't want to call him a name used for people who can't discern facts intelligently?

But your point is valid, he may just belive that Bush was telling the truth.

[james1906]

Indeed. And he's already apologized! I hate it when people apologize!!!!!!!!!! Not only are the same people mad at you, but now I look down upon your lack of consistency and self-respect. NEVER APOLOGIZE.

You need to manage a call center, perhaps I won't slam my phone against the wall.

[Mandrik]

Him apologizing just proves my point that he's just another textbook politician. If he would make a serious turn to the side of liberty I could support him, but just yelling while the president is speaking isn't really what I'd call praise worthy commentary.

[boat6868]

Finally, after finding the 'You lie' button on my remote, and pressing it a zillion times to try and get it to work , it did!

Awake...now that is some funny shit!

[max]

It was a disrespectful wrong thing and against the rules of the House, he should or is going to be censured and it might ruin his career.

That piece of shit communist is not worthy of respect!...Our country is headed for disaster and you're worried about a lack of respect for thugs like Obama and Pelosi????

The only thing that will save us is BALLS!

[Liberty Star]

The only thing that will save us is BALLS!


Actually the apology he just sent to the White House also seems quite balsy looking at the language he used and how quickly it was done :)

[max]

Actually the apology he just sent to the White House also seems quite balsy looking at the language he used and how quickly it was done :)

that apology was pathetic....he should have stood his ground like a man and allowed the controversy to build......a great moment has gone to waste because Wilson caved in to GOP leadership that demanded he apologize

[jmdrake]

He's not Cynthia McKinney, he didn't go up the dais and smack him.

She didn't either. A cop violated her constitutional rights (see Article 1 section 6), assaulted her by putting his hand on her, and she knocked his hand away. In our crazy country if a cop violates your rights then assaults you and you resist the tiniest amount you are charged to "assaulting a police officer" or even "assaulting a police dog.

[Liberty Star]

that apology was pathetic....he should have stood his ground like a man and allowed the controversy to build......a great moment has gone to waste because Wilson caved in to GOP leadership that demanded he apologize

It takes guts for a Republican to stand up against "GOP leadership" and speak the truth and looking at his voting record, he don't seem to have it.

[Dreamofunity]

How does he plan on not allowing illegal immigrants to use his plan?

[Liberty Star]

Dreamofunity , why must you ruin a perfectly interesting debate by bringing important issues into it?

[jmdrake]

How does he plan on not allowing illegal immigrants to use his plan?

By eventually giving them amnesty so that they won't be illegal anymore of course. ;)

[Bruno]

By eventually giving them amnesty so that they won't be illegal anymore of course. ;)

We have a winner!

[t0rnado]

There should be more public dissent.

[JeNNiF00F00]

It was a disrespectful wrong thing and against the rules of the House, he should or is going to be censured and it might ruin his career.

Wrong. You apparently dont know much about South Carolina. Wilson just got major points in my book.

[anaconda]

Neocon with one brilliant shining moment.

[qwerty]

REDDIT!

http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/9j2d5/sc_congressman_joe_wilson_calls_obama_a_liar/

[Liberty Star]

There should be more public dissent.

True, but there seems to be too much of it in SC now:


‘You lie!’ doesn’t go over well with voters in Joe Wilson’s S.C. district

September 11, 2009
by Jim Galloway

In survey numbers just released, Public Policy Polling of North Carolina says U.S. Rep. Joe Wilson’s two-word eruption _ “You lie!” _ during President Barack Obama’s health care speech on Wednesday has cost him dearly back home.

Wilson now trails Democratic challenger Rob Miller by 44 to 43 percent. Wilson defeated Miller with 54 percent of the vote in 2008.

“In a matter of seconds, Joe Wilson turned himself from a safe incumbent into one of the most vulnerable Republicans in the country for 2010,” said Dean Debnam, President of Public Policy Polling. The Miller campaign says it has raised hundreds of thousands of dollars in the last 36 hours.



http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2009/09/11/you-lie-doesnt-go-over-well-with-voters-in-joe-wilsons-s-c-district/

[RM918]

I wouldn't care if he got up and mooned Pelosi while slapping himself and throwing insults at her for a half-hour, as much as we might be anti-government this guy was motivated not to disrupt the establishment, which he's proven to be very much apart of by his voting record and subsequent backpedaling, but as yet another tactic to raise his standing in the never-ending turf war that is the two-party system. He's merely anti-Democrat, you'd never have seen him doing that to Bush.

For that, he deserves nothing but scorn, same if not more than the others.

[krazy kaju]

Not a patriot, since he supported unpatriotic legislation.

Not a hypocrite, since it isn't like he uses government money to insure illegal immigrants.

[Liberty Star]

Not a patriot, since he supported unpatriotic legislation.

Not a hypocrite, since it isn't like he uses government money to insure illegal immigrants.

Let's not rush to judgment on that account too:

Quote:

Joe Wilson Voted to Provide Taxpayer Money for Illegal Immigrants' Healthcare

September 11, 2009 - by Donny Shaw


However, in 2003, Wilson voted to provide federal funds for illegal immigrants’ healthcare. The vote came on the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement and Modernization Act of 2003, which contained Sec. 1011 authorizing $250,000 annually between 2003 and 2008 for government reimbursements to hospitals who provide treatment for uninsured illegal immigrants. The program has been extended through 2009 and there is currently a bipartisan bill in Congress to make it permanent.

http://www.opencongress.org/articles/view/1219-Joe-Wilson-Voted-to-Provide-Taxpayer-Money-for-Illegal-Immigrants-Healthcare

[CountryboyRonPaul]

Where was he or any other member of Congress yelling you lie at George W. Bush invading Iraq? There's no need to insult the POTUS at a formal speech.

Ummm... I really wish more people had yelled that at Bush.

[RevolutionSD]

He's a scumbag. He steals money via the threat of violence from people to fund his livelihood. Nothing honorable or patriotic or heroic about that.

[familydog]

He steals money via the threat of violence from people to fund his livelihood. Nothing honorable or patriotic or heroic about that.

So does Ron Paul. ;)

Joe Wilson is obviously a hypocrite. He proved it with his outburst. Now that he has apologized he also proved he is a wuss.

[tron paul]

It was a disrespectful wrong thing and against the rules of the House, he should or is going to be censured and it might ruin his career.

Obama was disrespecting America by lying to us. He knows full well the courts will force coverage of illegals.

The Neocon moment is over. This is war, it's time to move past the prissy blue-nose National Review girly-man approach. We need street fighters like Buchanan now.

I'm sure that $750,000 Wilson's comment raised will really hurt his future...:rolleyes:


AFAIK, only Dr Paul, DeMint, Gov Palin, and Glen Beck have done more to stop ObamaCare than Joe Wilson.

Therefore, the real hypocrites are the ones condemning Joe Wilson for short-circuiting Obama's pro-socialist medicine speech, while they have done so much less to stop ObamaCare.

[Liberty Star]

Palin and Beck are pawns in the hands of anti American lobbies like aipac and other dogmatic foreign interest groups and proven neocon crooks, how can you mention them in same sentence as RP?

[Revolution9]

If these are same millions who were saying "Trust the President" when Bush was doing his thing, we either have millions of partisan hypocrites and informationally challanged people in America.

The swinest in flaw reinforcement gambits. Get a new drone. You appear to be on autoblither in enhanced mode.

Bush has nothing to do with it. That is a straw man absurdium that seems to remain lamprey-coupled to any halfwit on the web attempting to defend the indefensible.. It is simply a slightly more sophisticated version of "look! over there!"

HTH
Rev9

[Liberty Star]

Bush has nothing to do with it. That is a straw man absurdium that seems to remain lamprey-coupled to any halfwit on the web attempting to defend the indefensible.. It is simply a slightly more sophisticated version of "look! over there!"

HTH
Rev9

Wait, who are we defending Wilson or someone else?

This was about Wilson, as petty it may be for us talking about individuals.

His views on Obama can't be separated from his views on Bush, how can you say it has nothing to do with that?

Anyone who supported Bush policies but opposes Obama policies has the burden to show that hypocrisy clause does not apply.



Joe Wilson

Voted NO on investigating Bush impeachment for lying about Iraq. (Jun 2008)

Voted NO on redeploying US troops out of Iraq starting in 90 days. (May 2007)
Voted YES on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date. (Jun 2006)

Voted YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)




http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Joe_Wilson.htm


Few things I detest more than hypocrisy.

[Revolution9]

It was a disrespectful wrong thing and against the rules of the House, he should or is going to be censured and it might ruin his career.

Well; piffle and pshaw. The ruining of a flourishing career at legal pick pocketing is surely a perk to be held closer and dearer than the truth. And do always obey the rules of the house...as they are always set up so the house won't lose. It is surely a shame when watching the wiffle waffled weak kneed puppet stringed youth pine away for the unmitigated acceptance and acquiescence to the latest in a line of honcho gambits that incrementally usurp the sovereignty of the true American human being till one day soon he too will awaken gripped by the hair on his head and staring a brutal murderer in the face.

Best to stomp on the toes of that jackboot before it lifts its ponderous psychopathic foot off the parade square.

Communism - Over 120 million served/killed worldwide. An abbatoir of humans on a grand political and ethnic scale. A fifth column of psychopathic killers with firmly established credentials.

Obamas platform - 10 planks of the Communist manifesto
Ron Paul's platform - The Constitution

Rev9

[Revolution9]

Wait, who are we defending Wilson or someone else?

This was about Wilson, as petty it may be for us talking about individuals.

His views on Obama can't be separated from his views on Bush, how can you say it has nothing to do with that?

Anyone who supported Bush policies but opposes Obama policies has the burden to show that hypocrisy clause does not apply.

There ya go again like they have anything to do with each other. You think this is math. This is about life, liberty and slavery.

Let me put it this way. We got rid of the megaclown Bush. Now we have the slick mack daddy pimp with the silver tongue lying away. The objective now is to derail this idiot and not play stupid algorithm games with variables that are never going to be equivalent. Bush Sr. groomed Obama. The whole den of pit vipers and usurpers needs a good routing from the halls of power and if that means disrespecting that which by their mere prevaricating presence disrespects, then that is the way the laws of nature and their inexorable balancing of ultimate law come into equilibrium. I have never met the SOB I was born downhill from and I wouldn't buy a nickel bag from a clown like Obama. He would tell me he has the kindest and it would be downtown brown frown every f**king time.

Respect.. I ain't got nuthin' but razzberries for this ego blindered caravan of blinkered apparatchik bozoids.

Rev9

[tron paul]

Palin and Beck are pawns in the hands of anti American lobbies like aipac and other dogmatic foreign interest groups and proven neocon crooks, how can you mention them in same sentence as RP?

The sentence was very specific in context. I don't see how anyone could fail to miss it.:confused:

RP, SP, and GB all took their stabs at ObamaCare. And all drew blood and deserve credit where credit is due.

Nice to see that you are OK with DeMint, who started the highly successful 'Waterloo' meme and narrative.

[s35wf]

"it is not permissible to use language that is personally offensive to the President, such as referring to him as a 'hypocrite' or a 'liar.'"

lol.. wouldn't they like that rule to be worldwide.

i actually had some kid last week state (about 20=25 age im guessing) that their should be a law against saying anything bad about the POTUS :eek: sheesh dont these kids get the 1st amendment taught to them anymore

[CountryboyRonPaul]

i actually had some kid last week state (about 20=25 age im guessing) that their should be a law against saying anything bad about the POTUS :eek: sheesh dont these kids get the 1st amendment taught to them anymore

IMO, it should be a law that you need to be on record saying one bad thing about the president before you are allowed to vote. :p

[Flash]

It was a disrespectful wrong thing and against the rules of the House, he should or is going to be censured and it might ruin his career.

Show me the rule he was violating. Democrats were immaturely cheering and hollering durring Obama speaking, yet the opposition isn't allowed to say anything? What about in 2005 when Bush was boo'ed by the Dems in office?

[Aratus]

i can't click on all three options.
i see him as an ambitious man.
perhaps conceited or deceitful.
or even thinking he is a latterday
patrick henry amoungst us all.
as i said, i sense a hunger to him.
he is a politician who once was a
dutiful aide to an aging senator...