Ron Paul : What Rights Are ?

[qwerty]

YouTube - Ron Paul : What Rights Are ? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1IpgydbL_Q)

http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/9hv7z/ron_paul_what_rights_are/

[torchbearer]

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[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

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The idea of rights today have become perverted. The kinds of rights that existed during the time of *our Founding-Fathers were "natural rights." A natural right wasn't something cooked up with emotions but was backed by undeniable scientific evidence. One didn't need to have a mind to understand this type of right as such divides the population up into political bipartisanship; rather, the self-evident truth reduced unalienably to the soul (the human conscience).

*Obama belittles our American Founding-Fathers by referring to them in the not so intimate "the founding-fathers." This is a departure with a long tradition started back in Greece by the Founding-Fathers of Western civilization and the birth of the "social contract theory." Rather than reference figures in past history (because of the belief in the "fall of man" from good to bad and from bad to worse") modern leaders have evolved to use their own natural born abilities when referencing.

[qwerty]

Listen what THE MAN has to say! :)

[qwerty]

Bump! :)

[Original_Intent]

I just got through reading The Law again this morning. Everyone should, it takes two maybe three hours to read the whole thing.

http://www.constitution.org/law/bastiat.htm

[qwerty]

I just got through reading The Law again this morning. Everyone should, it takes two maybe three hours to read the whole thing.

http://www.constitution.org/law/bastiat.htm

Thanks! :)

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

I just got through reading The Law again this morning. Everyone should, it takes two maybe three hours to read the whole thing.

http://www.constitution.org/law/bastiat.htm

If it takes three hours to read about what an American is, then there is no such thing as an American. We don't have to read anything to know what an American is. In fact, we don't need to even know how to read, but we need to work hard. This need being quite convenient because we really have a lot of work to do. We know in our conscience what an American is; so, we don't need experts, lawyers or government teachers explaining it to us.
A natural law is self-evident in its crystal clear truth and unalienable in how it is known bipartisan in our hearts and souls. Such a reality was declared by our Founding Fathers to supercede the past tradition that once persecuated us and every possible future occurence which would endanger our peace and threaten us with a return to the old tyranny of pimping and whoring.

[wizardwatson]

If it takes three hours to read about what an American is, then there is no such thing as an American. We don't have to read anything to know what an American is. In fact, we don't need to even know how to read, but we need to work hard. This need being quite convenient because we really have a lot of work to do. We know in our conscience what an American is; so, we don't need experts, lawyers or government teachers explaining it to us.
A natural law is self-evident in its crystal clear truth and unalienable in how it is known bipartisan in our hearts and souls. Such a reality was declared by our Founding Fathers to supercede the past tradition that once persecuated us and every possible future occurence which would endanger our peace and threaten us with a return to the old tyranny of pimping and whoring.

True, but if you've been indoctrinated with false teaching's, then true teachings are like medicine.

There is no fixed teaching, only a particular medicine for a particular ailment.

[wizardwatson]

I just got through reading The Law again this morning. Everyone should, it takes two maybe three hours to read the whole thing.

http://www.constitution.org/law/bastiat.htm

Bastiat is a good read. I also encourage anyone interested in 'rights-based doctrine' to read some of Simone Weil's writings concerning justice and rights. She has a very unique perspective of viewing justice from the perspective of compassion, which I believe is much more in line with human nature than the way libertarians try to teach it (as a mutual respect concept, or as 'body ownership' via Hoppe ), though admittedly she is not mainstream. But hey, neither is Hoppe, lol.

[SamuraisWisdom]

I disagree with Paul on this one. I believe we DO have the right to education and the right to medical care. As a civilized society those should be standards.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

True, but if you've been indoctrinated with false teaching's, then true teachings are like medicine.

There is no fixed teaching, only a particular medicine for a particular ailment.

If I teach my children wrong from right, then they will fail. But its vain to tell a child not to put their finger in a fire. The point being that most of the times we don't need to do or say anything. We have been declared here as Americans. The idea that we need to be manipulated further is based on a fallacy. The Republicans manipulate us over here and then leave us in a shambles when they lose power. The Democrats then manipulate us over there and then likewise leave us in a shambles when they lose power. Yet, what being an American is has nothing to do with doing anything. What we are is self-evidently true and unalienably crystal clear in our collective conscience.

[Deborah K]

I disagree with Paul on this one. I believe we DO have the right to education and the right to medical care. As a civilized society those should be standards.

Standards? As in a basic 'right'? Are you saying that you believe education and healthcare are basic rights that should be supplied by the gov't?

[wizardwatson]

If I teach my children wrong from right, then they will fail. But its vain to tell a child not to put their finger in a fire. The point being that most of the times we don't need to do or say anything. We have been declared here as Americans. The idea that we need to be manipulated further is based on a fallacy. The Republicans manipulate us over here and then leave us in a shambles when they lose power. The Democrats then manipulate us over there and then likewise leave us in a shambles when they lose power. Yet, what being an American is has nothing to do with doing anything. What we are is self-evidently true and unalienably crystal clear in our collective conscience.

I come from the "seek and ye shall find" camp. Not the "hey man, you should look at this, this is the truth" camp. It sounds from your posts you do too.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Bastiat is a good read. I also encourage anyone interested in 'rights-based doctrine' to read some of Simone Weil's writings concerning justice and rights. She has a very unique perspective of viewing justice from the perspective of compassion, which I believe is much more in line with human nature than the way libertarians try to teach it (as a mutual respect concept, or as 'body ownership' via Hoppe ), though admittedly she is not mainstream. But hey, neither is Hoppe, lol.

Do you know the difference between a natural right and a civil right? A natural right is greater than a civil right because such was arrived at by the use of natural law. It doesn't exist because of some emotional mumbo-jumbo like a civil right does but exists because it is a scientific fact. A natural right is like DnA in how it reduces down to become self-evidently true and unalienable in the human soul.

[wizardwatson]

Do you know the difference between a natural right and a civil right? A natural right is greater than a civil right because such was arrived at by the use of natural law. It doesn't exist because of some emotional mumbo-jumbo like a civil right does but exists because it is a scientific fact. A natural right is like DnA in how it reduces down to become self-evidently true and unalienable in the human soul.

I understand what you are saying. I have read Hoppe, Simone Weil, Bastiat, Spooner, Nock, Rothbard and others on this topic.

You are preaching to the choir.

"God-given" is shorthand for all these complex theories and expositions.

[SamuraisWisdom]

Standards? As in a basic 'right'? Are you saying that you believe education and healthcare are basic rights that should be supplied by the gov't?

Yes. I have no problem with taxpayer money being used to educate children and help sick people.

[InterestedParticipant]

If I teach my children wrong from right, then they will fail. But its vain to tell a child not to put their finger in a fire. The point being that most of the times we don't need to do or say anything. We have been declared here as Americans. The idea that we need to be manipulated further is based on a fallacy. The Republicans manipulate us over here and then leave us in a shambles when they lose power. The Democrats then manipulate us over there and then likewise leave us in a shambles when they lose power. Yet, what being an American is has nothing to do with doing anything. What we are is self-evidently true and unalienably crystal clear in our collective conscience.
I would appreciate it if you can expand on this last sentence. Thanks.

[Scofield]

Yes. I have no problem with taxpayer money being used to educate children and help sick people.

"I have no problem with Peter being forced, by way of a gun to his head, to pay for Paul."

If you want to pay for Paul, be my guest. That said, forcing me to pay for Paul without my consent is tyrannical in the purest form.

[SimpleName]

Isn't it just interesting to take a step back and watch the throwing around of the word "rights". People just claim their rights were violated all over the place. Rights to healthcare, rights as an employee, rights as an employer, rights as a minority. It is so ridiculous. If they had to explain what a right was, there would be steam shooting out their ears. What would they say? "Rights are privileges given to the people by other people." That would contradict their entire argument for the so-called "rights" in the first place, because what if I don't believe they deserve such rights. "Rights are the privileges owed to people by the government." In that case, what if there was no government? Would that mean you have no rights? You couldn't do anything without government? What did cavemen do? Their whole argument is diseased and no matter how they iterate it, it wouldn't work.

I just find it hilarious to reflect on these people's total manipulation and lack of definition for a term they toss around so often. How the hell can it be a right to take the property of one person and give it to another without their permission? How can it be a right to destroy the rights of other people? If only one of these damn socialists could let me in on the secret. Such b/s.

[Deborah K]

Yes. I have no problem with taxpayer money being used to educate children and help sick people.

Well then why not have the gov't pay for food, clothing and shelter for everyone? Wouldn't those be more basic than healthcare and education?

[Scofield]

Shit, why not have the government buy me a gun?

I mean, I have the right to keep and bear arms, no?

[InterestedParticipant]

Shit, why not have the government buy me a gun?

I mean, I have the right to keep and bear arms, no?
Have you ever seen the movie Zardoz with Sean Connery? Well, distributing Guns to the public will come....it's in the plans.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

I would appreciate it if you can expand on this last sentence. Thanks.

A natural law, the type of science used during the time of our Founding-Fathers, did not have a theory opposing it. That particular truth was reduced down to in terms to the extent that it became absolute and self-evident. The part about the self-evident truth also being unalienable deals with the problem of comprehension (analysis). Since the conclusion reduced not to the extent of the minds of the *few but to the very conscience of every human soul, no one could argue against it. So, such a declaration by our Founding-Fathers was self-evident and unalienable to the extent that it became bipartisan politically speaking.

*Though the king sat on his throne as the owner of all property and every little sister living and working on his streets as prostitutes were trespassing within his territory, the self-evident truth within their souls was declared identical. Since the king thought otherwise, he was deemed by our Founding-Fathers not to be fit to be a king but a tyrant and removed from power. This allowed our American Founding-Fathers to supercede thousands of years of traditional persecuation with that of a greater natural law.