Glenn Beck is Bigger Than Rush with Van Jones Firing!

[clb09]

The power of Beck has been solidified!

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abraham/detail?blogid=95&entry_id=46991


Glen Beck is the person Jones should fight back against. Beck's acting like a domestic thug, calling the President racist, then using the media to be the inspiration for others to make terrible statements and threatening acts, like the woman who camped out at a National Guard base, thinking it was a FEMA encampment.


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[IPSecure]

WND is claiming credit...


WND brings down the 'red czar'

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=109042

[Revolution_Ready]

Wow, thanks so much for posting this. Made my morning much better. Not the article, but the comments posted under the article. Not a single one agreeing with the author.

Maybe america is finally waking up?? Maybe we are actually seeing a rise of a third party in real time??

[FrankRep]

FCC Diversity Czar Mark Lloyd is next on the list.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=208962

[Johnnybags]

instead of 5.00 he'd reach about double the audience. I sure hope they juggle the lineup soon. Heck, if he was on instead of Billdo(never) we might even be able to abolish the FED.

[clb09]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/26813.html


"If Jones left under pressure from the Obama administration then we are in for a very long and painful four years,” said Melissa Harris Lacewell, a political science professor at Princeton University. “I would hate to think that Glenn Beck can simply shout down any member of the administration he chooses to target.”

They were referring to the Fox News host who has rocketed to a status as de facto leader of the opposition since joining the network from the relative obscurity of talk radio and CNN Headline News. Beck's attacks on Jones intensified after an advocacy group Jones helped found, Color of Change, lead a campaign to drive advertisers away from Beck’s show.

[disorderlyvision]

d.

[KramerDSP]

I know many of you will disagree with me, but Glenn Beck is nothing more than a Trojan Horse for the Freedom Movement. There will come a day that a majority of us will be screaming for his head, and I don't think that day is that far off. He says a lot of the "right" things and brings attention to issues in an entertaining way, but I don't trust him as far as I can throw him.

[FrankRep]

I know many of you will disagree with me, but Glenn Beck is nothing more than a Trojan Horse for the Freedom Movement. There will come a day that a majority of us will be screaming for his head, and I don't think that day is that far off. He says a lot of the "right" things and brings attention to issues in an entertaining way, but I don't trust him as far as I can throw him.
No one here has forgotten about how Glenn Beck called Ron Paul supporters a bunch of "terrorists."

Once the Republicans are back in power, he'll most likely switch to being a neocon again.

[KramerDSP]

No one here has forgotten about how Glenn Beck called Ron Paul supporters a bunch of "terrorists."

Once the Republicans are back in power, he'll most likely switch to being a neocon again.

I wished I shared your sentiments about "no one here having forgotten", but the sense I get from some of the posters here is that Glenn Beck has "seen the light" and has changed his ways for good. I do agree that if the GOP in its' present form comes back to power, and that's a big if with the stuff they're pulling, he would switch back gradually but surely.

[hugolp]

Am I the only one thinking (after reading the Politico piece) that the left is punishing Obama for this decision? Obama is up for a bumpy ride.

[dr. hfn]

Buy many copies of End the Fed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't let our movement be co-opted and corrupted!

[Freedom 4 all]

The far left is going nuts over Beck. Keith Olbermann is appealing to Daily freaking Kos bloggers to try and get any dirt he can get his hands on to throw at Beck.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/9/6/777880/-Send-Me-Everything-You-Can-Find-About-Glenn-Beck

[angelatc]

Tuesday we will expand this to the television audience and have a dedicated email address to accept leads, tips, contacts, on Beck, his radio producer Burguiere, and the chief of his tv enablers, Ailes (even though Ailes' power was desperately undercut when he failed to pull off his phony "truce" push).

God, they are vile. Beck only told the truth about the guy, right? Why does KO have an even bigger than usual bug up his butt?

When he sets his email up, we should flood it with absolute crap.

[Flash]

God, they are vile. Beck only told the truth about the guy, right? Why does KO have an even bigger than usual bug up his butt?

When he sets his email up, we should flood it with absolute crap.

we should have the subject read like "Smoking gun evidence of Glenn Beck having an affair" and then flood the post with Ron paul links. But I'm pretty sure he isn't setting an email up, rather hes reading the comments in Daily Kos for info.

[RM918]

Mudslinging is the only thing Dems and Reps do well, since it's not like they have to argue over /issues/ or anything, being the same party.

Also:

"...but the sense I get from some of the posters here is that Glenn Beck has "seen the light" and has changed his ways for good."

How can people vote for Paul and /still/ be this naive?

[sevin]

all hail Glenn Beck!

[youngbuck]

I don't trust Beck at all, but I'd rather him take the spotlight instead of Limbaugh.

[pacelli]

I know many of you will disagree with me, but Glenn Beck is nothing more than a Trojan Horse for the Freedom Movement. There will come a day that a majority of us will be screaming for his head, and I don't think that day is that far off. He says a lot of the "right" things and brings attention to issues in an entertaining way, but I don't trust him as far as I can throw him.

Damn straight. Beck is the pied piper of the liberty movement. All of the bandwagon patriots have jumped on-board, and it didn't take them very long. He came from basically nowhere and quickly attracted a following. This guy isn't a patriot, he's a commentator. He's a nobody who has a nice speaking voice. He knows how to read a script and stick to talking points--those talking points just happen to be tapping into a market that is popular right now.

It amazes me how fast people in the liberty movement have forgotten about the boycott of FoxNews that was initiated when that organization excluded Ron Paul from the republican debates. It amazes me how fast people in the liberty movement have forgotten about Beck humiliating Dr. Paul on HLN by mentioning that he's had to be guarded by a swat team based on threats from Ron's supporters.

The media sure figured out how to pull the wool over our eyes. So much for grassroots activism, right? Now Beck & Co. are telling us what to do, how to think, and what is important.

Remember this thread by Conza88, made on 1/27/09, when Glenn Beck first moved to Fox News??

What you will now see from the Media



In particular; I will focus on Fox News.

Since the President has changed, the party has changed, the INTENDED perception has changed, so does the media's overt agenda for each channel.

For the last 8 years Fox News has blatantly been pro-war, pro-fascism, pro-bush, pro-whatever they were told to be.

In those 8 years, it became to be seen for what it was - a propaganda network. It WASN'T just limited to them, but they were the obvious douchebags, they were the ones defending the state, the wars, Bush, etc.

Now, over the same last few years, in particular, all the attacks of Bush etc.... have been coming from the likes of Keith Olberman, MSNBC, etc. all the "lefties".

During this time, they gained credibility etc. Denounced wars, whatever. They "told it like it is". No real obvious "propaganda". (Obviously MASSIVE AMOUNTS, I'm just taking this from a laymans perspective... the general sheeple, who are now following Obama like drones)

Anyway, now that Obama is President, the script is going to flip.

MSNBC, CNN, Hardball, Olberman etc. THEY will become the propaganda outlets. THEY will be the NEW FAUX NEWS!

They speak out against the regime, when their "side" is not in power. NOTHING ever gets done, its all chatter in the wind, it SEEMS like there is vocal opposition to the status quo, but it really means jack squat.

This is why Glenn Beck moved to Fox News. They are now the ANTI-STATUS QUO CHANNEL. See his show? He's calling government

Quote:

Glenn Beck Seems to Understand
Posted by Thomas DiLorenzo at January 27, 2009 07:58 AM

This morning on Faux News he said, "the government has become just like the mob." He was referring to how the Fed ORDERED several banks to take bailout money, and then ORDERED them to lend it. He also used the "S" word to describe Obama's "economic plan."

Funny how Faux News supported Bushian fascism with every ounce of its energy, but is now becoming a critic of a slightly different form of socialism.

- http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewr...es/025007.html
This is, there ain't nothing funny about it. FISHY is more like it.

So expect to start questioning yourself when Fox News actually say shit that makes sense, like Libertarian style stuff. (Won't be all the time, but more so than ever) Like actual Conservative, Glen Beck type of comments. All the trolls start to appear ok. It is because they are the new anti-status quo channel, who won't do shit against the other tide of public opinion and media.

People go, Fox News attacking Obama? Yeah, no wonder they supported Iraq, Bush, Neocons etc. They'll instantly dismiss whatever it is, and kling to the MSNBC, CNN BULLSHIT that will be thrown at them.

*sigh*

It is all part of the false paradigm. It is all coerced. It doesn't "just" happen.

</hopefully sensical rant>

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=177088

[FrankRep]

I wished I shared your sentiments about "no one here having forgotten", but the sense I get from some of the posters here is that Glenn Beck has "seen the light" and has changed his ways for good. I do agree that if the GOP in its' present form comes back to power, and that's a big if with the stuff they're pulling, he would switch back gradually but surely.
Right now, despite Glenn Beck's true feelings, he's doing some great things for the Constitution. We can support him for that. Once he becomes a neocon again, we'll expose and criticize him.

[jmdrake]

Damn straight. Beck is the pied piper of the liberty movement. All of the bandwagon patriots have jumped on-board, and it didn't take them very long. He came from basically nowhere and quickly attracted a following. This guy isn't a patriot, he's a commentator. He's a nobody who has a nice speaking voice. He knows how to read a script and stick to talking points--those talking points just happen to be tapping into a market that is popular right now.

It amazes me how fast people in the liberty movement have forgotten about the boycott of FoxNews that was initiated when that organization excluded Ron Paul from the republican debates. It amazes me how fast people in the liberty movement have forgotten about Beck humiliating Dr. Paul on HLN by mentioning that he's had to be guarded by a swat team based on threats from Ron's supporters.

The media sure figured out how to pull the wool over our eyes. So much for grassroots activism, right? Now Beck & Co. are telling us what to do, how to think, and what is important.

Remember this thread by Conza88, made on 1/27/09, when Glenn Beck first moved to Fox News??

What you will now see from the Media



http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=177088

Yep! I've said this before but never this well. Glenn Beck is a tool. Sure he's helpful sometimes, but he's still a tool. The fact that made an issue out of Van Jones questioning the government is not helpful in the long run to the liberty movement. Hopefully the takeaway message will be "Don't bring an overt communist into the government" but somehow I doubt that. :mad:

[awake]

Just got done watching two "pundits" on American Morning, one of which just essentially called Beck a political right wing terrorist as well as painting the right a racist lynch mob. He called on the president to stop appeasing the terrorists...

Oh, and the other pundit said - if you question the events of 9/11 you are the the same as a holocaust denier.

Communist News Network

[tonesforjonesbones]

Glenn Beck is saying all the right things now...it remains to be seen if he stands his ground later. tones

[pcosmar]

This is not a win. This is a Propaganda moment, and nothing else.

He is out, but that hardly matters. He is out for the wrong reason and it is being reported as the reason. He questioned the Official story. This is going to affect anyone else that questions the Official Story. This will end any new investigation.

His communist ties / leanings are not being questioned or reported. He will still be around to influence, even if he is out of official position.
Others is the administration will still be Communist/Socialist. And someone else will be appointed.

The Media Keeps going with the Official story. A win for Propaganda.

[tonesforjonesbones]

the left wing media is not going to mention communism because they are communists..the communists ALWAYS blow it off. tones

[pcosmar]

the left wing media is not going to mention communism because they are communists..the communists ALWAYS blow it off. tones

Glenn Beck pushed the Official story. He made a big deal about him supporting the 911 truth position.
He did not point out the Communism. At least not as a main argument.
The big story is Van Jones=911 truth.

Not that Van Jones is an avowed communist.

Beck is a Propaganda hack.

[SelfTaught]

Glenn Beck pushed the Official story. He made a big deal about him supporting the 911 truth position.
He did not point out the Communism. At least not as a main argument.
The big story is Van Jones=911 truth.

Not that Van Jones is an avowed communist.

Beck is a Propaganda hack.

Actually, he spent an entire week talking about Obama and his czars' communist/marxist agenda. He actually spent a great deal of time talking about Van Jones' communist roots.

[kahless]

Glenn Beck pushed the Official story. He made a big deal about him supporting the 911 truth position.
He did not point out the Communism. At least not as a main argument.
The big story is Van Jones=911 truth.

Not that Van Jones is an avowed communist.

Beck is a Propaganda hack.

Beck and FNC had it right all along going after Van Jones as a Communist and now they completely blew it. They have now gone completely off the deep end with the 911 truther position and ignoring the fact that he is a Communist. They need to get back to the older message otherwise that is all people are going to take away from this.

It was however good to see they are showing Van Jones racist comments about whites.

[catdd]

Beck has always been a flip-flopper extraordinaire . I can't count the times that I've thought he had woken up only to watch him fall back.

[FrankRep]

It's kind of ironic that the 9/11 truth movement helped bring down the Communist Van Jones because he signed their piece of paper.

Conclusion: 9/11 truth is a death warrant for politicians.

[angelatc]

we should have the subject read like "Smoking gun evidence of Glenn Beck having an affair" and then flood the post with Ron paul links. But I'm pretty sure he isn't setting an email up, rather hes reading the comments in Daily Kos for info.

He said on this coming Tuesday that he's going to make the appeal to his TV audience and set up an email.

Yep. Flood it.

[jmdrake]

It's kind of ironic that the 9/11 truth movement helped bring down the Communist Van Jones because he signed their piece of paper.

Conclusion: 9/11 truth is a death warrant for politicians.

That's certainly the conclusion the MSM WANTS you to take away from this. But I don't recall Van Jones actually standing for election for anything. :rolleyes: Yes Obama dropped Van Jones (possibly) over the 9/11 comments. But he (partially) dropped Reverend Wright over his comments that 9/11 was "America's chicken's coming home to roost". How were those comments different from Ron Paul's "9/11 was blowback" theory? Something to think about.

[Liberty Star]

Why in the world Glenn Beck opposes full and thorough investigation of events that led to such a major incidence in our history?


I was beginning to think Obama election had changed Beck having seen his record on bailouts, patriot act, Iraq war, Iran war etc but seems like he's still a paid puppet for Fox's and CNN's of the world.

[FrankRep]

That's certainly the conclusion the MSM WANTS you to take away from this. But I don't recall Van Jones actually standing for election for anything. :rolleyes: Yes Obama dropped Van Jones (possibly) over the 9/11 comments. But he (partially) dropped Reverend Wright over his comments that 9/11 was "America's chicken's coming home to roost". How were those comments different from Ron Paul's "9/11 was blowback" theory? Something to think about.
9/11 Blowback vs. 9/11 Inside Job are two completely separate concepts.

[KAYA]

Glenn Beck pushed the Official story. He made a big deal about him supporting the 911 truth position.
He did not point out the Communism. At least not as a main argument.
The big story is Van Jones=911 truth.

Not that Van Jones is an avowed communist.

Beck is a Propaganda hack.

Actually that's not true. Pointing out Van Jone's communist ties, revolutionary past and his desire to remake the system was Beck's main argument against Van Jones.

[jmdrake]

9/11 Blowback vs. 9/11 Inside Job are two completely separate concepts.

You're missing the point. Probably because you are trying to make an issue where none exists. Reverend Wright was vilified in the media in the media for his "blowback" position just like Van Jones was vilified for his "9/11 inside job" position. (Actually the document he signed didn't say 9/11 was an inside job but only that there are unanswered questions. But since you and others insist on conflating the two I'll go with that.) If you accept that Van Jones' resignation shows 9/11 truth is "political poison" then you have to accept that Reverend Wright being dropped by Obama shows 9/11 "blowback" is political poison. That is if you want to be logically consistent.

[jmdrake]

Actually that's not true. Pointing out Van Jone's communist ties, revolutionary past and his desire to remake the system was Beck's main argument against Van Jones.

Perhaps. But the MSM has turned it into the 9/11 issue. +1 for the NWO, -1 for the liberty movement.

[FrankRep]

You're missing the point. Probably because you are trying to make an issue where none exists. Reverend Wright was vilified in the media in the media for his "blowback" position just like Van Jones was vilified for his "9/11 inside job" position. (Actually the document he signed didn't say 9/11 was an inside job but only that there are unanswered questions. But since you and others insist on conflating the two I'll go with that.) If you accept that Van Jones' resignation shows 9/11 truth is "political poison" then you have to accept that Reverend Wright being dropped by Obama shows 9/11 "blowback" is political poison. That is if you want to be logically consistent.

The "Conservative" media had a field day with Reverend Wright and Obama stepped away and denounced him quickly. Reverend Wright was "political poison" for Obama.

[catdd]

It's a shame the media goes after that rather than communists working within our government. If the government has it's way questioning the official 9/11 investigation will become a criminal offense right alongside of Holocaust denial.

[Liberty Star]

The "Conservative" media had a field day with Reverend Wright and Obama stepped away and denounced him quickly. Reverend Wright was "political poison" for Obama.

I have a contrarian view on this, I think Rev Wright, Obama's middle name and image that Obama built helped him get elected, such was public anger over Iraqi freedom results and against Bush-Cheney/neocons then. Rev Wright blamed Israel for 9/11, about 70% of Americans held the same view in Newsweek poll taken few months after 9/11. Liberal groups who also wanted to change US Israel policy successfully exploited that public view and anti Iraqi freedom/anti Bush-Cheney sentiment by getting behind Obama and cleverly crafting his campaign to win the election.

[KAYA]

Perhaps. But the MSM has turned it into the 9/11 issue. +1 for the NWO, -1 for the liberty movement.
I agree but that is the MSM twisting the story. So I put the blame on the MSM for this.

[Light]

Wow! So people on this board are actually complaining about a commie being removed just because he may or may not have been a conspiracy theorist? I thought this place was about freedom, and last I checked, commies were for taking away your economic, social, and political freedom. A communist being removed from a high position of government and the Obama administration balking at public backlash is a huge victory. It shows to them that the public is not as asleep as they originally thought.

[jmdrake]

The "Conservative" media had a field day with Reverend Wright and Obama stepped away and denounced him quickly. Reverend Wright was "political poison" for Obama.

So then Ron Paul's position of "blowback" is "political poison". You can't have it both ways Frank. Ron Paul and Reverend Wright's positions on 9/11 are identical. So your options are:

A) An elected official deciding to drop a particular person really doesn't prove anything about what the electorate things. (sensible answer)

B) There were reasons other than 9/11 that were more "politically poisonous" for Wright and by analogy the same holds true for Van Jones.

C) You can just continue to be hypocritical about the whole thing.

So far no otherwise viable political candidate has stuck his neck out on 9/11. It would have been interesting if Jesse Ventura had decided to run for the senate, but alas he decided not to do so. Until an otherwise viable political candidate decides to stick his neck out and we can actually measure the effects you are just blowing smoke. Obama choosing to drop Van Jones proves nothing. He could have dropped Van Jones for other reasons and/or his political calculus of Van Jones actual effect on the electorate (as opposed to his effect on the media) could be off.

[Light]

It seems here people care more about their conspiracy theories than their freedom.

[jmdrake]

Wow! So people on this board are actually complaining about a commie being removed just because he may or may not have been a conspiracy theorist? I thought this place was about freedom, and last I checked, commies were for taking away your economic, social, and political freedom. A communist being removed from a high position of government and the Obama administration balking at public backlash is a huge victory. It shows to them that the public is not as asleep as they originally thought.

A) Have all of the communists been replaced? - No.

B) Will there still be a "green jobs" czar of some sort? - Yes.

C) Is Van Jones still a paid member of the administration? - Yes.

The actual benefit of this "victory" isn't as great as you make it out to be. Meanwhile people like Obama's "science czar" who are on record favoring forced sterilization go unchallenged. I'm glad for Obama getting a "chink" in his armour, but let's be realistic too.

[jmdrake]

It seems here people care more about their conspiracy theories than their freedom.

:rolleyes: It seems you are about Glenn Beck than your freedom.

[eOs]

Wow! So people on this board are actually complaining about a commie being removed just because he may or may not have been a conspiracy theorist? I thought this place was about freedom, and last I checked, commies were for taking away your economic, social, and political freedom. A communist being removed from a high position of government and the Obama administration balking at public backlash is a huge victory. It shows to them that the public is not as asleep as they originally thought.

yeah, but the big story is van jones is removed because of 9/11 truth, not because he was a commie. No one seems to have a problem with him being a commie in the msm, excluding the late, great, new and improved beck.

[FrankRep]

So then Ron Paul's position of "blowback" is "political poison". You can't have it both ways Frank. Ron Paul and Reverend Wright's positions on 9/11 are identical. So your options are:
I'm saying that "9/11 inside job" is political suicide.

Yes, though, the "Conservative" media will call "9/11 Blowback" a form of blaming America. That's just dirty Republican politics. I applaud Ron Paul for not backing down, even though, his potential Republican presidential nomination was destroyed.

[Light]

:rolleyes: It seems you are about Glenn Beck than your freedom.

I don't watch Beck. Try again.

[FrankRep]

:rolleyes: It seems you are about Glenn Beck than your freedom.
Who needs an enemy when we have each other?

[RevolutionSD]

Just got done watching two "pundits" on American Morning, one of which just essentially called Beck a political right wing terrorist as well as painting the right a racist lynch mob. He called on the president to stop appeasing the terrorists...

Oh, and the other pundit said - if you question the events of 9/11 you are the the same as a holocaust denier.

Communist News Network

Why are you paying attention to the MSM? Best thing we can do is ignore them altogether.

[catdd]

"if you question the events of 9/11 you are the the same as a holocaust denier."

I called that one.

[kahless]

Why in the world Glenn Beck opposes full and thorough investigation of events that led to such a major incidence in our history?


Van Jones tried to take Beck down. I think Beck was so rattled by it that he lost objectivity that the facts he had about Jones being a Communist were enough. So it became throw whatever he has at it no matter the circumstance as pay back to take Van Jones down at all costs. Since FNC has a history of using any questioning of 911 as a political epithet it helped him gain support at the network for this cause and gave him cover against those that questioned him calling Obama a racist.

It is good that Van Jones is gone but ignoring his Communist ties will only keep in around in the political beltway. Bottom line, it was a huge mistake to use 911 rather than focus on his Communist beliefs as a reason for the resignation.

[tonesforjonesbones]

Obviously some people don't watch Glenn Beck. Glenn Beck exposed Van Jones on July 16 when he did his piece on the Appollo Allience, which is a huge non profit dealing with green crap. A few days after that , Color Of Change started their boycott campaign against Beck claiming it was because of Beck's "obama is a racist" comment which is baloney. Color of Change was founded b;y Van Jones...so Beck FURTHER exposed Jones. The MSM and the REPUBLICANS didn't get on board until that video came out of Jones calling the republicans a holes and claiming Bush was a crackhead. That is around the time that 9-11 list surfaced. All I can say is whatever works to get the communist bastards OUT of our government..fine with me. GO GLENN BECK! TONES

[TinCanToNA]

who needs an enemy when we have each other?

+1!:)

[Cowlesy]

Who needs an enemy when we have each other?

hah!

+1

1 commie down, and about 400 or so to go I surmise.

[jmdrake]

I'm saying that "9/11 inside job" is political suicide.


And you are entitled to your opinion. I'm saying that you can't use the case of Van Jones to prove your point any more than I could use the case Rev. Wright to say Ron Paul's "blowback" theory was just as politically suicidal.



Yes, though, the "Conservative" media will call "9/11 Blowback" a form of blaming America.


It wasn't just the "conservative media" that went after Wright for his "chicken's coming to roost" comment, and for that matter is wasn't just the "conservative media" that went after Ron Paul for the blowback comment. It was the combined power of the liberal and conservative "corporate" media that did this. Saying that 9/11 was caused by Saddam Hussein long after that was admitted to be false is ok. So is Farwell and Robertson blaming 9/11 on gays. Telling the truth is not ok. At least not if we are going to be beholden to the MSM.



That's just dirty Republican politics. I applaud Ron Paul for not backing down, even though, his potential Republican presidential nomination was destroyed.

Oh I applaud him too. But I'm not sure how he could have won while sticking to his position of being against a war that was still approved by 70% of Republicans. Had he gotten the 30% of Republicans who were against the war solidly behind him he might have won a few early primaries, but nobody seems to know what happened to that 30%. Some may have never gotten to know Dr. Paul. Others may have fallen into the "I've got to back a winner" trap. Regardless the campaigns of Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo and Fred Thompson never got off of the ground despite the fact that they didn't have any 9/11 - Iraq war "baggage".

In the long term we don't win if we don't reframe the debate. As long as the twin beliefs that we were "attacked because of our freedoms" and we must "sacrifice liberty for security" remain part of GOP orthodoxy the way forward will be a tough one.

[jmdrake]

delete

[jmdrake]

I don't watch Beck. Try again.

Cool. Then you should understand why some of us are less than thrilled at the tactics used in this case. Look at it another way. Say if Glenn Beck had used some veiled antisemitism charge like "Van Jones dared to criticize Israel for bombing Gaza"? Would you feel the same way? It's also telling that you've ignored all of the other points like the fact that the way this being reported in the media is that it's all about Van Jones being a part of the group that boycotted Beck and Van Jones being a "truther" and the fact that Van Jones is still on the fed payroll.

[tonesforjonesbones]

Van Jones resigned..so..show me please where he is still on the payrolll..unless you are speculating that he is . tones

[jmdrake]

Van Jones resigned..so..show me please where he is still on the payrolll..unless you are speculating that he is . tones

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9AHL8O80&show_article=1
Jones issued an apology on Thursday for his past statements. When asked the next day whether Obama still had confidence in him, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said only that Jones "continues to work in the administration."

Admittedly it doesn't specifically say that he will get paid for his "continued work" but....

[tonesforjonesbones]

That has all changed..that was before he resigned. Jones has now resigned..he no longer has that job. tones