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Liberty Star
09-05-2009, 07:45 PM
This is quite unprecedented.


YouTube - ISAF Commander Announces Investigation to Afghan People (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zQK3rbSuCw)


General McChrystal goes on Afghanistan TV to promise airstrike death inquiry

The commander of Nato forces in Afghanistan, General Stanley McChyrstal, has promised to investigate fully the airstrike which killed at least 80, many civilians, and injured more.

By Ben Farmer in Kabul and agencies
Published: 8:13PM BST 05 Sep 2009

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/6143748/General-McChrystal-goes-on-Afghanistan-TV-to-promise-airstrike-death-inquiry.html





Is Afghanistan turning into Obama's Vietnam/Iraq?

Obama's numbers have been falling steadily in almost direct proprtion to public support of Afghan war :

Quote:

September 6, 2009

Barack Obama rattled as Afghanistan's decision day approaches

The allied commander wants greater effort, but the war looks ever more likely to poison Barack Obama’s presidency

Tony Allen-Mills in Washington

...

As he spends his Labor Day holiday weekend at the Camp David retreat in Maryland, Afghanistan is confronting him with what may prove the defining decision of his presidency. “It’s an issue he understands could be a danger to his administration,” said one of the historians who attended the presidential dinner.

The completion of a comprehensive strategy review by General Stanley McChrystal, the commander of US and other Nato forces in Afghanistan, has brought to boiling point a long-simmering stew of military, diplomatic and political conflicts over America’s faltering mission in Kabul.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6823409.ece



UPDATE 1:


After Afghan strike, charred flesh and burning rage

Fri Sep 4, 2009 1:45pm EDT

By Maria Golovnina

KUNDUZ, Afghanistan (Reuters) - The desperately poor Afghan villagers heard that the Taliban had abandoned loaded fuel tankers by the river and thought it was their lucky day. Hundreds ran to fill jugs of the valuable stuff.

Suddenly, a U.S. F-15 fighter jet roared over and opened fire. Mohammad Deen heard the explosion. When the flames died away by Friday morning, charred corpses were still strewn on the riverbank.



An AFP photographer described the atmosphere as tense, as anger at the foreign military presence bubbled under at the memorial prayer ceremonies.

The European Union fiercely criticised NATO over the bombing, saying it undermined efforts at nation-building they had begun to focus on.

French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner yesterday had described the air strikes as “a big mistake” and stressed that the West’s strategy in Afghanistan must be to “work with the Afghan people, not bomb them.”


http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE58356F20090904




UPDATE 2:

And now German Chancellor will also go on TV:

Quote:

Merkel to give Afghan speech, outcry over airstrike mounts

Mon Sep 7, 2009
By Noah Barkin

BERLIN (Reuters) - German Chancellor Angela Merkel will go before parliament on Tuesday to explain the government's Afghanistan strategy in the face of mounting criticism from opposition parties weeks before a federal election.

Berlin has come under intense pressure following a decision by its troops on September 4 to call in an air strike on two fuel trucks near Kunduz which an Afghan rights body has said killed 60-70 civilians.

The strike was the most deadly operation involving German troops since World War Two and was condemned by several European foreign ministers at the weekend.

http://www.reuters.com/article/gc05/idUSTRE58634X20090907

Liberty Star
09-05-2009, 08:12 PM
All Bush critics at MSNBC/CNN/FOX/Code Pink are silent now because Messiah is in power and war violence are suddenly kosher now?


Only voice being reported is that of this radical Congressman:


Kucinich Condemns NATO Strike in Afghanistan

September 5, 2009 |

Says Command should be Held Responsible

Washington D.C. – Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), a leading Congressional voice calling for an immediate withdrawal from Afghanistan and Iraq, yesterday released the following statement after media reports that a U.S. airstrike on two stolen fuel transport vehicles left as many as 90 dead, including 40 civilians and a ten-year old child:


http://www.clarksvilleonline.com/2009/09/05/kucinich-condemns-nato-strike-in-afghanistan/

Flash
09-05-2009, 08:14 PM
I still don't get why Kucinich endorsed Obama? Even Gravel hinted Kucinich was payed for once. Although I do respect him for coming out now against this insanity.

Liberty Star
09-05-2009, 08:29 PM
I don't know his history very well but if I have to speculate, he used R & D labels to arrive at his decision, him being a D-labeled politician.

Epic
09-05-2009, 08:35 PM
"We will take revenge. A lot of innocent people were killed here," said one of the Taliban fighters, only his eyes visible beneath a thick scarf. Sahar Gul, a 54-year-old village elder from Yaqoubi, said: "Entire families have been destroyed."

And the US Government wonders why people are fighting them.

TastyWheat
09-05-2009, 09:40 PM
Really puts this game into perspective eh?

September 12th (http://www.newsgaming.com/games/index12.htm)

HOLLYWOOD
09-05-2009, 09:55 PM
How frigin Pathetic!

"Don't worry Great Afghani's... we will send you FREE; Federal Reserve Notes, Passage, housing, & education in Free American. Thank You for your assistance and tolerance... until next week's disaster... regards, Imperial Empire of America"

Cowards even disabled comments on the video... shows you who's wrong and who has a guilty conscience.

Yes... where's the 50 million yakkin Americans about ending the Police state and death/destruction?

Liberal Lefty MSM pump monkeys? I can't gear you?

Oh the HYPOCRISY in this country...then again, the Military Industrial Complex and Federal Government need 'BLOWBACK' to fund their current AND future Agendas

RideTheDirt
09-06-2009, 01:01 AM
Incredible how I haven't heard anyone mention this at all. We better get out. Bring our troops home you DC scumbags.

Lovecraftian4Paul
09-06-2009, 01:47 AM
How we're ever supposed to get out of this one in a timely fashion is beyond me. The Democrats are now the war party, and the Republicans are at caveman level when it comes to Afghanistan. Even the neo-cons who know in their hearts that Iraq is a trainwreck and should be quietly exited still think Afghanistan is the "good war." After all, we just can't let brutish Taliban come back into power and spill over into Pakistan, can we?

Liberty Star
09-06-2009, 11:11 AM
Incredible how I haven't heard anyone mention this at all.

Fox probably has vested interest to not report this due to neocon owners, MSNBC and others may have self-imposed censorship tp avoid hurting Obama's poll numbers. CBS had done some reporting on this but for thse most part US media is spending more time on cute California girl that was abducted 18 years ago than US top military General in Afghanistan going on Afghan TV to address civilians there.

Liberty Star
09-07-2009, 10:38 AM
Obama is so fond of giving speeches, would he be next to go on TV and talk to American public about his badly managed Afghan war policy?

catdd
09-07-2009, 11:33 AM
These are your tree hugging peaceniks in charge now. Not a peep out of them now that they have the White House.

Liberty Star
09-07-2009, 12:37 PM
These are your tree hugging peaceniks in charge now. Not a peep out of them now that they have the White House.

Yep, not a peep so far from what I have seen too.

Anyone heard anything on this on MSNBC, FOX, CNN?

angelatc
09-07-2009, 01:11 PM
All Bush critics at MSNBC/CNN/FOX/Code Pink are silent now because Messiah is in power and war violence are suddenly kosher now?




What's even more frightening is the silence of the Republicans. Apparently there are a lot of things they don't want Obama to do, but waging war in Afghanistan is ok by them.

PlzPeopleWakeUp
09-07-2009, 02:37 PM
I love Big Brother.

Liberty Star
09-08-2009, 09:17 AM
What's even more frightening is the silence of the Republicans. Apparently there are a lot of things they don't want Obama to do, but waging war in Afghanistan is ok by them.

Republicans are core Obama supporters when it comes to policy of bloodshed, perhaps due to their close contact with god influence from Jesus' teachings.



German media has turned on their leader:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,647688,00.html

Liberty Star
09-12-2009, 01:42 PM
While we are having Tea Parties, another day in Afghanistan:


3 US troops among 50 killed in Afghan violence

KABUL – About 50 civilians, security forces and militants were killed in violence around Afghanistan, including a bomb that left 14 Afghan travelers dead in one of the country's most dangerous regions. Another roadside bomb killed three American soldiers in the east.

The attacks Friday and Saturday reached a broad swath of the country, demonstrating the spread of the Taliban insurgency, which had been largely confined to the country's south and east in the years after the 2001 U.S. invasion. Half of those killed in the most recent attacks were civilians, who often find themselves caught in the grinding war between the Taliban and U.S. and NATO forces.

Bombs caused most of Saturday's casualties — including homemade blasts in the former Taliban stronghold of Kandahar and a neighboring province that together killed 20 civilians. U.S. military officials said a roadside bomb in eastern Afghanistan killed the three Americans, but released no other details.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090912/ap_on_re_as/as_afghan_violence

Liberty Star
11-07-2009, 01:17 PM
While Obama contemplates future course in Afghanistan, Obama's preferred war goes on:




Afghan policeman kills 5 British soldiers

By ELENA BECATOROS and DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press Writers
Wed Nov 4, 4:49 pm ET


The five British soldiers, who had been advising Afghan policemen, were shot and killed Tuesday at a checkpoint where they were living in the volatile southern province of Helmand. Another six soldiers were wounded, as were two Afghan policemen when the soldiers returned fire, officials said.

The gunman escaped and his motive was unclear.




Afghan officials say NATO airstrike killed soldiers, civilians


By Joshua Partlow and Javed Hamdard
Saturday, November 7, 2009; 12:02 PM

KABUL -- Afghan officials said Saturday that a NATO airstrike inadvertently killed several Afghan soldiers and policemen a day earlier in northwestern Afghanistan.

The strike took place amid fighting in Badghis province as Afghan and U.S. troops were searching for two American paratroopers who disappeared in the area Wednesday.

According to the U.S. military, soldiers on the search operation came under an attack that killed four Afghan soldiers and two policemen, and wounded five American soldiers and 17 Afghan security forces.

But Afghan officials attributed the casualties to a NATO airstrike that hit in or around a coalition base in the area. The district's mayor, Abdul Shukor, put the death toll of the airstrike at 20 -- six Afghan soldiers, two policemen, and 12 civilians. Shukor described the area of the bombing as a military checkpoint near a warehouse.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/07/AR2009110701807.html

HOLLYWOOD
11-07-2009, 01:29 PM
You think the Afghanis are pissed, just go across the boarder into Pakistan. The US government and military create more enemies each day and unite the people of foreign nations against the Imperial Empire of War and destruction.

Even US intelligence has revealed, after $10's of Billion in Taxpayer funds to Pakistan, the Pakistani government supports the Taliban and hands off the region.

It's been proven and shows, what a complete waste of Money, life, creations of opposition and hatred and of course Blow Back. Yes there are many entities in America that want Wars, Death, Opposition, and conflicts.

How many innocent civilians has the US government killed since 2001? 100,000's of thosusands.

Liberty Star
11-07-2009, 02:01 PM
Even if 100,000 or more civilians of other races were killed, it was for a good cause and we din't mean it. So oops.
BTW, is there any tax payer funded, reliable website with a good user interface that keeps track of accumulative body counts for both freedom projects?


But the big question we can't find answer for is, "why do they hate us?".

HOLLYWOOD
11-07-2009, 02:12 PM
Even if 100,000 or more civilians of other races were killed, it was for a good cause and we din't mean it. So oops.
BTW, is there any tax payer funded, reliable website with a good user interface that keeps track of accumulative body counts for both freedom projects?


But the big question we can't find answer for is, "why do they hate us?".


That's correct... "Collateral Damage" is completely acceptible with the appropriate Propaganda campaign.

Unfortunately, people/socirties and governments around the world, doesn't accept the Imperialists justifications because their sanctity of life and ideologies are much different than an invader's indoctrinations.

www.newsmeat.com (http://www.newsmeat.com) ...lower right

FSP-Rebel
11-07-2009, 02:33 PM
I wonder how the pilot that dropped the bombs feels about his actions?