Flags Flying at the White House, but Whose?

[FrankRep]

Update: Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/04/white-house-debunks-reports-fly-chinas-flag-south-lawn/)
September 04, 2009

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/04/white-house-debunks-reports-fly-chinas-flag-south-lawn/

The White House on Friday dismissed as inaccurate reports from China that the administration will mark the 60th anniversary of the founding of the People's Republic by flying the Chinese flag on the South Lawn.

China Daily, citing other media reports, claimed the president of the Fujian Association of the United States had been granted permission to hoist the flag "in a ceremony in front of the President's residence."

A ceremony, indeed, will take place. But it won't happen on the White House grounds -- rather, on the Ellipse, on the other side of E Street from the presidential residence.



Flags Flying at the White House, but Whose? (http://www.jbs.org/jbs-news-feed/5302)


Ann Shibler | John Birch Society (http://www.jbs.org/)
03 September 2009


The People’s Republic of China is celebrating 60 years of hard core communism ... by raising the flag of that communist country on the south lawn of the White House on September 20.

Well, that is what two Chinese sources are reporting. China Daily reported (http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2009-07/13/content_8422505.htm) — apparently unnoticed until last week — that the Fujian Association had applied to the White House for permission to hold a celebration to honor the founding of the People’s Republic of China, and to hoist that country’s red flag on the south lawn of the White House.

Chen Ronghua, a Spokesman for the Fujian Association, said that permission was approved because of closer China-U.S. relations in recent years. And because, “Many Americans admire China due to the success of last year’s Beijing’s Olympics,” he said.

Also involved in the celebration are the Union of Chinese American Professional Organizations and the coordination Council of Chinese-American Associations. The ceremony is to be hosted by other “overseas Chinese organizations,” according to the Chinese publication Global Times (http://world.globaltimes.cn/editor-picks/2009-07/446160.html).

Approximately 1,000 people are expected to attend the flag-raising ceremony.

While the flags of many nations are flown at the White House when dignitaries of those countries visit, this seems to be the first time a foreign nation’s flag will be hoisted to celebrate that country’s founding, communist or not.

There is no flag rule or regulation that prohibits the flying of flags from foreign nations at the White House; although the Capitol grounds are another matter. The updated 2008 federal flag code is a bit confusing, but it says no flag can fly higher on American soil than the U.S. flag, except for the UN flag at UN headquarters. So there is no direct violation of the U.S. flag code here (http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RL30243.pdf).

But it does seem to be culturally and universally understood by patriots of all nations that one wouldn’t want to fly the flag of a rival nation that has a governmental philosophy that is diametrically opposed to the founding principles of your own nation.

If the Chinese flag is raised on the south lawn of the White House on September 20, then perhaps the present occupants of the White House, appointees and advisors, see little difference between their own political beliefs — statist-to-socialist — compared to the statist-to-full-fledged-communist outlook of their confreres in Beijing.

Veterans and other patriotic groups should be adamantly opposed to any plan to hoist a communist flag over American soil. Many placed their lives on the line, fighting and witnessing the utter brutality of communist regimes in Russia, Korea, North Vietnam — all of whom are supported by the Soviets and the Chinese Communists. Today, the human rights record inside China is as dismal as they come. Their murderously enforced one-child family policy is an abomination as well. But all this matters not to the White House.

“It was always my dream to raise a Chinese flag in the center of Washington, D.C.," says Chen Ronghua. “This year, my motherland’s 60th birthday, is the perfect time for it.”

September 20 will be the day we find out whether Chinese sources were correct in their reporting and the Chinese flag is raised on U.S. soil in celebration of the 60th anniversary of the deadliest regime in all of history. And if so, what's next: May Day parades to celebrate the Russian communist worker, or Mao's image on Mount Rushmore?


SOURCE:
http://www.jbs.org/jbs-news-feed/5302

[ItsTime]

Outrageous

[devil21]

That's what happens when a foreign country owns you financially. Not that I think the commies in the WH would mind but at this point they don't have much of a say do they?

[InterestedParticipant]

The People’s Republic of China is celebrating 60 years of hard core communism ... by raising the flag of that communist country on the south lawn of the White House on September 20.
sigh-op alert .... these jokers will stoop to any level to get the public riled up.

[FrankRep]

sigh-op alert .... these jokers will stoop to any level to get the public riled up.


Fujian Association had applied to the White House for permission to hold a celebration to honor the founding of the People’s Republic of China, and to hoist that country’s red flag on the south lawn of the White House.

IP, should the United States allow this? You don't seem to have a problem with this action.

[awake]

China: Suck hole to us and we will continue to lend to you.

[InterestedParticipant]

IP, should the United States allow this? You don't seem to have a problem with this action.
I was commenting more on the stupid Rand Corporation kids they have dreaming up this crap and then filtering it down through their controlled outlets. It's just another poke at the public..... messing with everyone's minds, trying to perpetrate fear and anxiety and conflict. It's really childish stuff, and it should be called out for what it is.... a psy-war stunt.

Do I want some commie pinko flag flying above the White House, even for a moment, of course not. I understand that symbolic violence is more powerful than political violence, and this is an act of violence against the American public and the ideals espoused in the Declaration of Independence.

If the public were sufficiently awake, then the establishment would be too scared to pull such a childish stunt. But their psychopaths, that's what they do. That's ok, let them and their controlled assets try this one on, I'm not going to waste any brain cycles on it, for they'll be eating the Crow in the long run, I am certain of that.

[akihabro]

This was in the contract with the last loan they sent us. Can you believe this crap?! Be afraid when China's flag flies over the white house.
Does anyone know how close to the fence it will be? Hopefully I can find a Vietnam era flame thrower and celebrate my way.

[devil21]

This was in the contract with the last loan they sent us. Can you believe this crap?! Be afraid when China's flag flies over the white house.
Does anyone know how close to the fence it will be? Hopefully I can find a Vietnam era flame thrower and celebrate my way.

Is that tongue-in-cheek or do you know that to be true?

[Kludge]

Fine by me. The US gov't should be bending over and kissing Hu Jintao's feet at this point. The Communists beat us, finally.

[FrankRep]

Fine by me. The US gov't should be bending over and kissing Hu Jintao's feet at this point. The Communists beat us, finally.
Giving up without a fight? I want to see that old fashioned rugged Americanism!

[Kludge]

...

[pacelli]

It is a bullshit report. Neither the white house nor the state department has any knowledge of this report nor do they have any event scheduled.

Call them yourself.

[Objectivist]

hardcore....

[TCC]

Time for a protest! Bring AMERICAN flags, signs and sing OUR national anthem while the flag of tyranny is raised in the land of the free.

Contact DC Police for permit laws to follow. Either Lafayette Square or Elipse, depending what permits the police will allow.

Pass the word and find others who can make this work!

[devil21]

It is a bullshit report. Neither the white house nor the state department has any knowledge of this report nor do they have any event scheduled.

Call them yourself.

Did you call them?

Gettin kinda sick of people posting things without any sources. The OP may be far-fetched but at least it's got a source to follow. Your post is "na-uh!" and that's it.

[FrankRep]

Did you call them?

Gettin kinda sick of people posting things without any sources. The OP may be far-fetched but at least it's got a source to follow. Your post is "na-uh!" and that's it.

Unless China Daily is lying...

China's national flag to go up in White House on Sept 20 (http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2009-07/13/content_8422505.htm)

Hou Lei | China Daily
July 13, 2009


The national flag of the People's Republic of China (PRC) will be hoisted at the South Lawn of the White House in Washington on September 20, media reported Sunday.

Chinese associations in the United States had applied to hold a ceremony in front of the US President’s residence to celebrate the 60th anniversary of the founding of PRC.

Chen Ronghua, chairman of Fujian Association of the United States, told reporters that their application was approved not only because of the sound Sino-US relations but also because China is a responsible country.

"Many Americans admire China due to the success of last year’s Beijing Olympics," said Chen.

More than 1,000 people will attend the ceremony and the performances held after it, according to Zhao Luqun, who will direct the performances.

Zhao said the performances will demonstrate the friendship, magnanimous spirit and kindness of modern Chinese people.


SOURCE:
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2009-07/13/content_8422505.htm

[Pod]

You really got to ask yourself about these Birchers from time to time. "60 years of hard core communism..." Really? :confused: :rolleyes:

China is Communist in name only but it seems Birchers can`t let go of the milk cow.

[FrankRep]

You really got to ask yourself about these Birchers from time to time. "60 years of hard core communism..." Really? :confused: :rolleyes:

China is Communist in name only but it seems Birchers can`t let go of the milk cow.


You think China isn't Communist?


China Betrayed Into Communism (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/history/world/1464)

James Perloff
24 July 2009

http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/history/world/1464



China is still governed by a single regime, the Communist Party, which requires members to be atheists, imprisons dissidents without due process, oppresses Tibet, and enforces a policy, backed by compulsory abortion, restricting most families to one child. by James Perloff


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China#Post_Civil_War_.281949.E2.80.93present.29


Today, mainland China is administered by the People's Republic of China—a one-party state under the leadership of the Chinese Communist Party—while the island of Taiwan and surrounding islands are administered by the Republic of China—a democratic multi-party state. After the founding of the People's Republic in 1949, both states claimed to be the sole legitimate ruler of all of China. After the Kuomintang retreat to Taiwan in 1949, the Republic of China had maintained official diplomatic relations with most states around the world, but by the 1970s, a shift had occurred in international diplomatic circles and the People's Republic of China gained the upper hand in international diplomatic relations and recognition count. In 1971, under resolution 2758, the representatives of Chiang Kai-shek to the United Nations were expelled from the intergovernmental organization. With the expulsion of the representatives, and effectively the Republic of China, the representatives of the People's Republic of China were invited to assume China's seat on the UN Security Council, the UN General Assembly and other United Nations councils and agencies. Later attempts by the Republic of China to rejoin the UN have either been blocked by the People's Republic of China, which has veto power on the UN Security Council, or rejected by the United Nations Secretariat or a United Nations General Assembly committee responsible for the General Assembly's agenda.

[FrankRep]

The Daily Paul also reported on the story.

China's national flag to go up in White House on Sept 20
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/99279


Others:

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/china/TJML7667KQJ5BTECM

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=843_1252037192&comment_order=newest_first (http://tiny.cc/FoQaO)

http://bbs.chinadaily.com.cn/viewthread.php?gid=2&tid=641516

http://www.prisonplanet.com/chinas-national-flag-to-go-up-in-white-house-on-sept-20.html

[FrankRep]

DRUDGE REPORT!!

http://www.drudgereport.com/


PAPER: China's national flag to go up in White House on Sept 20...
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2009-07/13/content_8422505.htm

[InterestedParticipant]

You think China isn't Communist?
What, and the USA isn't Communist? Perhaps we should start a debate, who is more Communist, the USA or China? I think it's a pretty close call.

Maybe we ought to just start flying the British flag over the White House, so at least we can start being honest about the situation. I get tired of all this deception, it's such a waste of energy.

[FrankRep]

What, and the USA isn't Communist? Perhaps we should start a debate, who is more Communist, the USA or China? I think it's a pretty close call.

Maybe we ought to just start flying the British flag over the White House, so at least we can start being honest about the situation. I get tired of all this deception, it's such a waste of energy.

China is open about it.

United States is still in denial.

[Pod]

You think China isn't Communist?


China Betrayed Into Communism (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/history/world/1464)

James Perloff
24 July 2009

http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/history/world/1464





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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China#Post_Civil_War_.281949.E2.80.93present.29

I`ve said what I think already. China is Communist in name only. Being ruled by a Communist Party and being Communist ("hard core Communist" even) are two different things. I`m sure you`re smart enough to grasp that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deng_Xiaoping

[FrankRep]

I`ve said what I think already. China is Communist in name only. Being ruled by a Communist Party and being Communist ("hard core Communist" even) are two different things. I`m sure you`re smart enough to grasp that.

On the point of economics, of course they're not "Communist." That's a moot point because they want Complete Power Before the Communist utopia can exist. They need "power first." I'm looking at the Stalinist-Leninist power-hungry leaders that have a dream of a Global Communist utopia (after they gain enough power).

[Pod]

On the point of economics, of course they're not "Communist." That's a moot point because they want Complete Power Before the Communist utopia can exist. They need "power first." I'm looking at the Stalinist-Leninist power-hungry leaders that have a dream of a Global Communist utopia (after they gain enough power).

Alright, maybe I was wrong. Maybe you aren`t smart enough.

[Deborah K]

It is a bullshit report. Neither the white house nor the state department has any knowledge of this report nor do they have any event scheduled.

Call them yourself.

The dummies who answer the phone don't know anything. Do you really trust them anyway?


China’s national flag to fly outside White House Source: Global Times [23:39 July 13 2009] Comments By Wen Xian in Washington DC and Zhang Wen in Beijing
The national flag of the People’s Republic of China will be raised for the first time on the south lawn of the White House on September 20.
Overseas Chinese planned the ceremony in the US to celebrate China’s National Day, which falls on October 1.
“The ceremony has gotten official approval,” Xiao Shuigen, secretary of the Union of Chinese American Professional Organizations, said Sunday.
According to He Xiaohui, chairman of the Coordination Council of Chinese-American Associations, the ceremony is hosted by overseas Chinese organizations.
To celebrate the 60th birthday of China, and to express their love for the motherland, overseas Chinese will raise the Chinese flag at 10 am that day.
Chen Ronghua, chairman of the US-Fujian Association, was the proponent of the event.
“It was always my dream to raise a Chinese flag in the center of Washington DC,” he told the Global Times. “This year, my motherland’s 60th birthday, is the perfect time for it.”
“The ceremony getting official approval is due to the good relations between China and the US,” Chen said.
As well as the flag-raising ceremony, there will also be performances, with nearly 1,000 people participating, Zhao Luqun, the director of the ceremony, said.


http://world.globaltimes.cn/editor-picks/2009-07/446160.html

[acptulsa]

Sounds like a hell of a photo op for us...

[FrankRep]

Alright, maybe I was wrong. Maybe you aren`t smart enough.
I'll overlook your insult and say this:

We're fighting against an elite group of power-hungry people and not against a political/economic philosophy. Capitalism, Socialism, Communism, etc... will all be exploited to get more power for themselves.

[HOLLYWOOD]

I say we all call our Congress Critters today and have them sponsor a bill to vote China: Most Favored Nation!

It's been awhile... and the hacks on Capital Hill need excuses for vacation, uh, I mean, fact finding Trips to the Bamboo Curtain.

[InterestedParticipant]

Sounds like a hell of a photo op for us...
Hey, how 'bout some of dem Michigan Militia boyz go to DC for a photo in front of that them der Chinese flag.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Sounds like a hell of a photo op for us...

No kidding! - very valuable photo op!

This doesn't upset me that much so long as the flag also comes DOWN on Sept. 20th, and stays DOWN!

If it goes up again on the 21st, well - that's a *MAJOR* PROBLEM!

Either way, I'm sure Pelosi's, Obama's, Clinton's, etc. handlers will be very pleased.

-t

[FrankRep]

World Net Daily jumps on the story...

White House to fly Red Chinese flag
People's Republic marking anniversary at White House

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=108907

[FrankRep]

It is a bullshit report. Neither the white house nor the state department has any knowledge of this report nor do they have any event scheduled.

Call them yourself.
By the way, this is main stream news now.

[MelissaWV]

The White House on Friday dismissed as inaccurate reports from China that the administration will mark the 60th anniversary of the founding of the People's Republic by flying the Chinese flag on the South Lawn.

China Daily, citing other media reports, claimed the president of the Fujian Association of the United States had been granted permission to hoist the flag "in a ceremony in front of the President's residence."

A ceremony, indeed, will take place. But it won't happen on the White House grounds -- rather, on the Ellipse, on the other side of E Street from the presidential residence.

China Daily's report -- which said the flag would represent strong U.S.-Chinese relations and recognition of China's success in hosting the 2008 Summer Olympics -- set off howls of protest on the Internet and among conservative talk show hosts despite failing to receive confirmation from the White House.

Demonstrations by foreign groups on the Ellipse or in Lafayette Park, in front of the White House, are not uncommon. But foreign flags are only flown on the White House grounds or on Pennsylvania Avenue to mark "state" or "official" visits of the countries' leaders.

Under those guidelines, the Chinese flag has flown on White House grounds before, in April of 2006, when President Hu Jintao visited then President George W. Bush.

In fact the current controversy is reminiscent of that visit. The Chinese insisted it was a state visit, despite U.S. assurances it was only an official one. The "state visit" label would have implied a bigger honor to Hu and to China, but Bush only had a handful of state visits and Hu's wasn't one of them.

Still, Chinese media continued to report it was a state visit even after it was over. And they continue now to report that the Fujian Association rally will take place on the White House lawn, even though U.S. officials insist it will not.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/04/white-house-debunks-reports-fly-chinas-flag-south-lawn/

[FrankRep]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/04/white-house-debunks-reports-fly-chinas-flag-south-lawn/

Interesting:

Under those guidelines, the Chinese flag has flown on White House grounds before, in April of 2006, when President Hu Jintao visited then President George W. Bush.

[heavenlyboy34]

Seeing as the Chinese behave more like capitalists than Americans do nowadays, I guess the flag over the White House is fitting

[FrankRep]

The article did have a disclaimer in case the Chinese turned out to be bunk


September 20 will be the day we find out whether Chinese sources were correct in their reporting and the Chinese flag is raised on U.S. soil in celebration of the 60th anniversary of the deadliest regime in all of history. And if so, what's next: May Day parades to celebrate the Russian communist worker, or Mao's image on Mount Rushmore?