mconder
08-31-2009, 07:59 AM
I am having a very difficult time penetrating the better senses of my very atheist and very liberal friend.
Heres the initial message I sent her in response to some Obama heathcare propaganda she sent me earlier in the day. I know I sound a little agitated and heartless here:
Actually, it's the poor that are the non contributors to society. They are the dead weight. In my early marriage my wife and I managed a 70 unit apartment complex in a very rough neighborhood. I can tell you that the vast majority of them were not out trying to better themselves, but rather were engaging in activities that were harmful to themselves. Most of them were on some form of government assistance. As you know, humans have a strong instinct for survival. If you removal all the incentive for humans to sit on their ass while the rest of us work for and earn the products and services we need, then people will find away. The worlds smallest violin should be playing for the leeches of society, the ones we should have put out in the street a long time ago, including some very wealthy liberal politicians. You put a mans back up against a wall and they're instinct to survive will get them through just fine every time. As far as big business it concerned, there are the businesses that produce, and we should make it very easy for them to stay in business. Then there are the businesses who exists because of what the government has done for them. These tend to be the very largest businesses. The entire housing bubble was caused by government operating in an inappropriate partnership with certain banks and institutions. The very existence of Fanny and Freddie may caused massive mal-investment in loans that would have never been made if the free market would have been allowed to do it's job. After all that, the government didn't learn it's lesson and they are still busy keeping real estate prices artificially high. Who do you think suffers the most when housing is artificially high. Gee, that would be the poor. Who do you think suffers in these massive bailouts for dying or dead industries and companies? When the government bails someone out, do you know they just print more money to pay for it? That money if given to rich robber barons to save the most powerful and defunct corporations on the planet. Do you know what happens when a surplus of dollars enters the marketplace? The currency is devalued. Do you know who the devalued currency hurts the most? That's right again, the poorest among us. You see, a rich guy really doesn't think to much about the fact that his bread which was once 1.50 a loaf is now 3 dollars a loaf. Big deal, he's got a million dollars in the bank. Now the poor person on a fixed income who is a man or woman of integrity and will not take government assistance if forced into the system for help, because he can no longer make his way honestly. He is forced to take government assistance, because the system is rigged to make people dependents of the government, to make them slaves. There is absolutely no dignity for the person who can only say that they exists and survive because of what someone else does for them. It's like the 30 year old kid that never leaves home because his parents keep giving him the basics. A warm bed, food, perhaps a computer with world of warcraft on it. Because people generally choose the path of least resistance to get their needs met, this boy will probably never leave home, just like most people on government assistance usually never leave the system. Sure, there are those that are helped out of the ashes by liberal programs, but they usually become social workers, liberal activists, or politicians. All three of which still belong to a select group of leeches sucking the life out of society. If the goods or services offered by these people cease to exists tomorrow, society at large would skip a beat or two then move on. People are survivors. People on these social programs who get off their asses and get jobs that provide value. That's just how it works.
My liberal friend's reply:
It does amuse me that you did exactly what the author claimed:
Stripped of facts, your conversation partner will soon turn to unscientific terrain, claiming it is immoral to "steal" and "redistribute" income via taxes. Of course, he will be specifically railing on "stealing" for stuff like health care, which he insists gets "redistributed" only to the undeserving and the "lazy" (a classic codeword for "minorities").
-Julie
I guess organized theft of ones productive efforts for the benefit of someone who has done nothing to earn what they are recieveing does not concern her in the slightest. So, I need facts on why universal health care will fail.
Heres the initial message I sent her in response to some Obama heathcare propaganda she sent me earlier in the day. I know I sound a little agitated and heartless here:
Actually, it's the poor that are the non contributors to society. They are the dead weight. In my early marriage my wife and I managed a 70 unit apartment complex in a very rough neighborhood. I can tell you that the vast majority of them were not out trying to better themselves, but rather were engaging in activities that were harmful to themselves. Most of them were on some form of government assistance. As you know, humans have a strong instinct for survival. If you removal all the incentive for humans to sit on their ass while the rest of us work for and earn the products and services we need, then people will find away. The worlds smallest violin should be playing for the leeches of society, the ones we should have put out in the street a long time ago, including some very wealthy liberal politicians. You put a mans back up against a wall and they're instinct to survive will get them through just fine every time. As far as big business it concerned, there are the businesses that produce, and we should make it very easy for them to stay in business. Then there are the businesses who exists because of what the government has done for them. These tend to be the very largest businesses. The entire housing bubble was caused by government operating in an inappropriate partnership with certain banks and institutions. The very existence of Fanny and Freddie may caused massive mal-investment in loans that would have never been made if the free market would have been allowed to do it's job. After all that, the government didn't learn it's lesson and they are still busy keeping real estate prices artificially high. Who do you think suffers the most when housing is artificially high. Gee, that would be the poor. Who do you think suffers in these massive bailouts for dying or dead industries and companies? When the government bails someone out, do you know they just print more money to pay for it? That money if given to rich robber barons to save the most powerful and defunct corporations on the planet. Do you know what happens when a surplus of dollars enters the marketplace? The currency is devalued. Do you know who the devalued currency hurts the most? That's right again, the poorest among us. You see, a rich guy really doesn't think to much about the fact that his bread which was once 1.50 a loaf is now 3 dollars a loaf. Big deal, he's got a million dollars in the bank. Now the poor person on a fixed income who is a man or woman of integrity and will not take government assistance if forced into the system for help, because he can no longer make his way honestly. He is forced to take government assistance, because the system is rigged to make people dependents of the government, to make them slaves. There is absolutely no dignity for the person who can only say that they exists and survive because of what someone else does for them. It's like the 30 year old kid that never leaves home because his parents keep giving him the basics. A warm bed, food, perhaps a computer with world of warcraft on it. Because people generally choose the path of least resistance to get their needs met, this boy will probably never leave home, just like most people on government assistance usually never leave the system. Sure, there are those that are helped out of the ashes by liberal programs, but they usually become social workers, liberal activists, or politicians. All three of which still belong to a select group of leeches sucking the life out of society. If the goods or services offered by these people cease to exists tomorrow, society at large would skip a beat or two then move on. People are survivors. People on these social programs who get off their asses and get jobs that provide value. That's just how it works.
My liberal friend's reply:
It does amuse me that you did exactly what the author claimed:
Stripped of facts, your conversation partner will soon turn to unscientific terrain, claiming it is immoral to "steal" and "redistribute" income via taxes. Of course, he will be specifically railing on "stealing" for stuff like health care, which he insists gets "redistributed" only to the undeserving and the "lazy" (a classic codeword for "minorities").
-Julie
I guess organized theft of ones productive efforts for the benefit of someone who has done nothing to earn what they are recieveing does not concern her in the slightest. So, I need facts on why universal health care will fail.