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Reason
08-29-2009, 11:27 AM
With Japan's Election, A Shift In U.S. Relations?
by Corey Flintoff (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=2100491)

August 28, 2009

The party that guided postwar Japan through impressive prosperity and then into persistent economic stagnation is expected to lose parliamentary elections Sunday in a vote that could signal significant changes in U.S.-Japan relations.

Japan's Liberal Democratic Party, which for a half-century enjoyed near total political domination, has helped define the U.S. relationship by providing bases for American troops and strong ties between U.S. and Japanese markets.

The Democratic Party of Japan, which is projected to win in a landslide Sunday, campaigned on a promise to create a foreign policy that is more integrated with its East Asian neighbors and more independent from the United States.

While the strong U.S.-Japan relationship is not fundamentally threatened, a victory for the DPJ presents a different stance from the more conservative LPD, which has generally supported U.S. political and economic goals around the world.
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The Democratic Party leader, Yukio Hatoyama, signaled some of his party's planned changes in international economic policy in a commentary Thursday in The New York Times.

Hatoyama denounced what he called "market fundamentalism in a U.S.-led movement that is more usually called globalization."

Hatoyama argued that globalization ignores human dignity, and said his administration would work on people-oriented policies that "take greater account of nature and the environment, that rebuild welfare and medical systems, that provide better education and child-rearing support, and that address wealth disparities."

Sheila Smith, a senior fellow for Japan studies at the Council on Foreign Relations, says Hatoyama's article should serve as a wake-up call to the Obama administration to be ready for a new Japanese approach that could show itself as early as the G-20 economic summit in Pittsburgh in late September.

Leaders from the world's major industrial countries will use the meeting to discuss the global financial crisis.

Japan may not be as willing to go along with solutions that the new ruling party regards as promoting unrestrained, American-style capitalism.
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Smith says a big victory by the DPJ in the 480-seat lower house of parliament means that the party could have a relatively free hand in implementing its policy goals.

"Three-hundred-plus seats means we'll have a DPJ government for at least the next three to four years," Smith says.

But domestic issues, not foreign policy, would likely dominate the agenda of the new government in the first few months, some analysts say.

The party campaigned on promises to spend heavily on domestic items such as family services, education and income support for farmers at a time when the country already faces a massive deficit.

"I don't see any big changes in foreign policy right away," says Nicholas Szechenyi, a Japan expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, D.C.

Dispute Over Military Bases
Smith says a DPJ victory could also lead to changes in Japanese security policy, including the status-of-forces agreement that lays out how U.S. military forces can operate on Japanese soil. Japan hosts about 47,000 U.S. troops.
One potential dispute centers on how much Japan should pay of the cost of relocating a U.S. Marine base from Okinawa to Guam, a move that is supposed to be completed by 2014. U.S. bases in Okinawa have been a source of controversy for years because of disputes over land and a series of violent crimes committed by U.S. troops.
Under an agreement in 2006, Japan would pick up more than $6 billion of the estimated $10 billion cost of the relocation, mainly for building new housing for the Marines in Guam. DPJ leaders have said that is too much.
In his New York Times opinion piece, Hatoyama stressed that he wants Japan to take a more integrated role in East Asian affairs and align more closely with China and South Korea. But he added that Japan's alliance with the U.S. would "continue to be the cornerstone of Japanese diplomatic policy."

How Much Can The DPJ Deliver?
Even with a decisive win Sunday, it remains to be seen whether Hatoyama can bring the kind of change his party is promising. The 62-year-old Stanford-educated engineer has a reputation for being wooden and lacking charisma .
The DPJ has promised to reduce the power of Japan's entrenched bureaucracy and restore more policymaking power to elected politicians, a task that Smith says won't be easy, given Japan's parliamentary system.
The Liberal Democratic Party was formed in the mid-1950s and has ruled uninterrupted except for a defeat in 1993. Then, it returned to power after less than a year.
"People don't come in and out of the bureaucracy the way political appointees do in the U.S.," Smith says. "As an institution, that means the bureaucracy is stronger and more elite, and it has been tightly wedded to the LDP."
Szechenyi says Hatoyama would like to centralize power in the prime minister's office, but that could be a delicate balancing act, "because to a certain extent, the DPJ is going to be dependent on the bureaucracy to help it function."
A bigger challenge is that the DPJ is a fractious party, composed of a spectrum of politicians ranging from socialists to disgruntled former members of the LDP. "Some people in the DPJ have been suggesting that the U.S.-Japanese relationship won't change at all, and then you've got Hatoyama writing that op-ed," Szechenyi says.
"I think the No. 1 priority for a Hatoyama government is just going to be getting used to governing," Szechenyi says. "It's going to be a very quick transition from campaigning to being in charge."

james1906
08-29-2009, 11:34 AM
I wouldn't say this is cutting ties, it's just similar to what Acquino did in the Philippines.

denison
08-29-2009, 11:38 AM
Good for them. They might still pissed about Hiroshima. I'm sure they want to be masters of their own destiny, who wants to play second fiddle to anybody.

denison
08-29-2009, 11:42 AM
The Japanese should get rid of any US base one their soil. I'm sure they're sick of American soldiers raping their women and children. I wonder why CNN doesn't cover those stories. :rolleyes:

hamilton1049
08-29-2009, 12:24 PM
I see hints in here that suggest this is a more socialist govt than already exists in Japan.

Imperial
08-29-2009, 12:33 PM
The CIA used to always pay up money to rig Japanese elections and kept a one-party monopoly in that country. I wonder if they would do it again or hold back... Its often hard to tell.

Reason
08-29-2009, 12:52 PM
YouTube - Japan ruling party 'at risk' in election polls - 29 Aug 09 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilR7MLv99Uk)

james1906
08-29-2009, 02:39 PM
YouTube - Japan ruling party 'at risk' in election polls - 29 Aug 09 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilR7MLv99Uk)

I'm still in shock over that expensive bridge that they're charging $80 to cross.

Akus
08-29-2009, 05:44 PM
Who is going to build my Lexus?
:(

thasre
08-29-2009, 06:02 PM
I see hints in here that suggest this is a more socialist govt than already exists in Japan.

Surprisingly, I think they're actually much more free market oriented, from what I understand. They're looking to get rid of a number of the national ministries, to decentralize the education system, to maintain current tax levels but cut spending, to deregulate the financial sector, etc.

I would hardly characterize them as libertarian, but it's my understanding that this new ruling party is going to be significantly less socialist. If any of their rhetoric sounds anti-liberty, it's probably only because 'progressive' parties throughout the world have hijacked classical liberal terminology.

EDIT: Here's the party's basic policies, from their official website (in English): http://www.dpj.or.jp/english/policy/basic.html

phill4paul
08-29-2009, 06:20 PM
The Japanese should get rid of any US base one their soil. I'm sure they're sick of American soldiers raping their women and children. I wonder why CNN doesn't cover those stories. :rolleyes:

I was a sailor there . I lived there. I am still in contact w/ friends there. There are incidents, however it is no Rape of Nanking. Get over it and STFU. If you wanna talk about pulling the troops out because we have no business being there then, yeah, I agree. The rest of your post is tripe.

Epic
08-29-2009, 06:52 PM
the new party is just about straight up communist

much higher minimum wage
government directed economy, much higher spending
said government didn't intervene enough over the past several decades
denounced US "free markets" (wtf!???)
ban temporary contracts between individuals

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/08/29/japan.elections/index.html

qh4dotcom
08-29-2009, 08:00 PM
The big question is if they will continue to prop up the US economy by buying US Treasuries and if so will they buy more or less.

Reason
08-29-2009, 11:25 PM
The big question is if they will continue to prop up the US economy by buying US Treasuries and if so will they buy more or less.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Foreign_Holders_of_United_States_Treasury_Securiti es-percent_share.gif

nobody's_hero
08-30-2009, 06:27 AM
the new party is just about straight up communist

much higher minimum wage
government directed economy, much higher spending
said government didn't intervene enough over the past several decades
denounced US "free markets" (wtf!???)
ban temporary contracts between individuals

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/08/29/japan.elections/index.html

I don't like our version of "free markets" either. :D

But seriously, that does suck for Japan, that just suffered too much government intervention during the lost decade of the 1990s.

coyote_sprit
08-30-2009, 06:30 AM
The only good thing to come out of Japan is solid capacitors.

carmaphob
08-30-2009, 06:35 AM
Japan opposition crushes LDP in historic election
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE57R01R20090830

Opposition wins landslide in Japan election
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090830/D9AD66880.html

I wonder if they are going to raise their interest rate up from 0.1 percent.

teamrican1
08-30-2009, 06:51 AM
Anyone catch the laughable propaganda in the article- referring to Obama/Bush's economic policies as "unrestrained capitalism". This is one of the biggest obstacles we have to overcome. This idea that the media constantly tries to implant in the sheeple's minds that the Federal Government promotes "capitalism" and "free markets" rather than the fascism which is the actual basis of their economic policy.

The new Jap government sounds like a bunch of socialist fools. Good for us that they want to kick the military off their land, but I wouldn't expect a Japanese economic recovery anytime in the near future.

coyote_sprit
08-30-2009, 06:53 AM
The new Jap government sounds like a bunch of socialist fools. Good for us that they want to kick the military off their land, but I wouldn't expect a Japanese economic recovery anytime in the near future.

Isn't it at 20 years and counting now?

Monolithic
08-30-2009, 06:53 AM
nah, not communist. most of their positions are standard centre-left, you people really exaggerate.

however the actual japanese communist party looks to win 10 seats.

coyote_sprit
08-30-2009, 06:57 AM
Look on the bright side, if Japan elects commies they might ban porn. Just imagine a world without god awful Japanese porn.

Reason
08-30-2009, 07:23 PM
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=112385738&sc=nl&cc=nh-20090830

Vessol
08-30-2009, 07:52 PM
Good for them.


Look on the bright side, if Japan elects commies they might ban porn. Just imagine a world without god awful Japanese porn.

That would be a sad world indeed :(.