Court orders Christian child into government schools

[Original_Intent]

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=108084


A 10-year-old homeschool girl described as "well liked, social and interactive with her peers, academically promising and intellectually at or superior to grade level" has been told by a New Hampshire court official to attend a government school because she was too "vigorous" in defense of her Christian faith.

The decision from Marital Master Michael Garner reasoned that the girl's "vigorous defense of her religious beliefs to [her] counselor suggests strongly that she has not had the opportunity to seriously consider any other point of view."

So much for the "free" state project. :rolleyes:

[JVParkour]

"Begin Ze Indoctrination!"

[Pennsylvania]

So much for the "free" state project. :rolleyes:

What does this have to do with the FSP? I doubt any porcs would back this decision.

[Light]

I keep saying that public education and state higher education are the greatest enemeies to this movement and no one seems to believe me. When you control the values and beliefs of children, you essentially control the country. It should come at no surprise as to why most young people today support Obama and why we are the most socialist generation yet. However, it seems most people here are content barking up the wrong tree, instead of going after the scams and indoctrination facilities that is public education.

Also, I think this story shows the FSP is nothing but a faux. If you can't control the education your children receive, then it does not matter how much finanical or social liberty you have.

[acptulsa]

The wall between church and state is crumbling, and the evangelical types don't understand that it all goes back to Newt. People always say, oh that legislation is harmless, why not let this or that slide so we can have this harmless thing, and look at us funny for standing on principle. But here we have such unprincipled support of the erosion of the wall between church and state coming back to bite the evangelicals who perpetrated it in the first place. And it didn't even take two decades.

[Pennsylvania]

Also, I think this story shows the FSP is nothing but a faux.

Okay, that's two. Did I miss something? Was there a line in the article that said the judge was an FSP member?

Let me see if I understand the logic so far:

- The FSP is associated with New Hampshire
- A judge in New Hampshire made a poor decision

ergo

- The FSP is completely hopeless




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[acptulsa]

Let me see if I understand the logic so far:

- The FSP is associated with New Hampshire
- A judge in New Hampshire made a poor decision

ergo

- The FSP is completely hopeless.

What, you find that gap of logic a little farther than you can leap? Yeah, me too...

[Light]

I'll reiterate:

I keep saying that public education and state higher education are the greatest enemeies to this movement and no one seems to believe me. When you control the values and beliefs of children, you essentially control the country. It should come at no surprise as to why most young people today support Obama and why we are the most socialist generation yet. However, it seems most people here are content barking up the wrong tree, instead of going after the scams and indoctrination facilities that is public education.

[SovereignMN]

Last week my soon to be home-schooled 5 year old said to me "I'm glad we'll never go to jail because we're good guys" to which I told my wife, "I could see myself going to jail someday if they try to take her out of our home-school". It's coming folks.

[TonySutton]

Is there any word on what the judge has said in this case. In New Hampshire, divorces and family issues are first reviewed by a marital master but the recommendation MUST be reviewed and approved by a judge to take effect.

I do not see anything in this article which says a judge has made a decision. I also can not find any corroborating news articles on this case

Edit: Oops sorry I missed it "The recommendation was approved by Judge Lucinda V. Sadler"

[Kludge]

"Begin Ze Indoctrination!"

That's exactly what the government was intending to stop. Unfortunately, gov't schools take controversy out of everything. You can't learn if you aren't even allowed to form a coherent opinion because you've never learned anything beyond the most shallow depth. Hopefully, this student will contribute a lot to discussion so the students can at least get one controversial point of view.

BTW, this ad on WND got a chuckle and facepalm out of me....

http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/imgad?id=COuq2vbApca5ChB9GMgBMgh53Mf7n1_Piw

[TonySutton]

ok, now I am angry, this is why I DISTRUST WND!

The father wants his daughter to attend public school and has shared parental rights for the child. This is why there is an issue. WND fails to mention in the article that the father is fighting to have his daughter placed in public school.

Here is the court order

http://www.telladf.org/UserDocs/KurowskiOrder.pdf

[amy31416]

ok, now I am angry, this is why I DISTRUST WND!

The father wants his daughter to attend public school and has shared parental rights for the child. This is why there is an issue. WND fails to mention in the article that the father is fighting to have his daughter placed in public school.

Here is the court order

http://www.telladf.org/UserDocs/KurowskiOrder.pdf

That's a very important piece of the puzzle, thanks for posting it.

WND just tries to get people outraged by feeding only part of the story, it seems.

[Cowlesy]

ok, now I am angry, this is why I DISTRUST WND!

The father wants his daughter to attend public school and has shared parental rights for the child. This is why there is an issue. WND fails to mention in the article that the father is fighting to have his daughter placed in public school.

Here is the court order

http://www.telladf.org/UserDocs/KurowskiOrder.pdf

Well done -- thanks for doing the yeoman's work on this one.

[Cowlesy]

That's exactly what the government was intending to stop. Unfortunately, gov't schools take controversy out of everything. You can't learn if you aren't even allowed to form a coherent opinion because you've never learned anything beyond the most shallow depth. Hopefully, this student will contribute a lot to discussion so the students can at least get one controversial point of view.

BTW, this ad on WND got a chuckle and facepalm out of me....

http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/imgad?id=COuq2vbApca5ChB9GMgBMgh53Mf7n1_Piw

I cannot believe they still run that ad, everytime I see it on drudge, I facepalm.

[TonySutton]

That's a very important piece of the puzzle, thanks for posting it.

WND just tries to get people outraged by feeding only part of the story, it seems.

It is sad, WND often covers issues that are not easily found in the MSM but then they slant the article so badly that you are forced to search for the REAL truth. Even sadder are those people who read the article and take it for absolute truth without checking the validity.

[amy31416]

It is sad, WND often covers issues that are not easily found in the MSM but then they slant the article so badly that you are forced to search for the REAL truth. Even sadder are those people who read the article and take it for absolute truth without checking the validity.

And I'm sure there are plenty of people who did. It really torques me when the media pulls these kinds of stunts that are intended to fool people who care about freedom.

Edit: Here's the author's email address if you're interested in letting him know how you feel about dishonest reporting: runruh@wnd.com

[jkr]

Point of view??!!?!?!?!?

"the point of view" that all life is a great cosmic accident?

Fuck that "judge" AND HER "DAD"

move
take the talent and resources elsewhere!

[Yieu]

Point of view??!!?!?!?!?

"the point of view" that all life is a great cosmic accident?

Fuck that "judge" AND HER "DAD"

move
take the talent and resources elsewhere!

This is a bit off topic, but there are more than two choices (more than Christianity and Atheism). One can be religious without being Christian. I'm not saying the girl shouldn't be Christian or anyone else shouldn't be, just felt that point needed to be made here.

[Original_Intent]

What does this have to do with the FSP? I doubt any porcs would back this decision.

Just because it happened in New Hampshire. I wasn't deriding the FSP, just saying if this is happening in the state where the FSP is located - lot of work yet to do obviously.

[apropos]

I'll reiterate:

I keep saying that public education and state higher education are the greatest enemeies to this movement and no one seems to believe me. When you control the values and beliefs of children, you essentially control the country. It should come at no surprise as to why most young people today support Obama and why we are the most socialist generation yet. However, it seems most people here are content barking up the wrong tree, instead of going after the scams and indoctrination facilities that is public education.

This.

[Original_Intent]

I did not know the dad was trying to get her into public school, and I think that is a relevant point. But the far more disturbing point, I think, is that it was ordered because the girl vigorously defended her Christian beliefs and the counselor thought it showed a lack of exposure to other points of view.

In other words, all the tlak about leaving religious training with the parents, this girl, despite being just fine academically, has not been properly exposed (in the judgement of THE STATE) to enough differing viewpoints, and that is going to be fixed! The mother's or even the child's own preferences in the matter be damned!

[Light]

So I see that the counselor wants her in public school because she does not accept the state as her diety, as most children her age do. Anyone who says there is separation of Church and State in America is lying to themselves. Today, THE STATE IS THE CHURCH! Why do you think people ask for the government to take care of all their problems? Because the state has been elevated to the role of a diety, church, and community.

Also, I remember reading a month back about the account one poster here had with one of her children in a public school (I believe it was Mrs. Joe). Anyway, her child was taught about acronyms, and guess what acroynm she was taught?

Outstanding
Beautiful
Amazing
Magifniscent
American

They are not even trying to hide the propaganda anymore.

[amy31416]

I did not know the dad was trying to get her into public school, and I think that is a relevant point. But the far more disturbing point, I think, is that it was ordered because the girl vigorously defended her Christian beliefs and the counselor thought it showed a lack of exposure to other points of view.

In other words, all the tlak about leaving religious training with the parents, this girl, despite being just fine academically, has not been properly exposed (in the judgement of THE STATE) to enough differing viewpoints, and that is going to be fixed! The mother's or even the child's own preferences in the matter be damned!

Given that the author of that piece left out a very relevant part of the story, it also calls into question his statement that it was ordered because the girl "vigorously defended her Christian beliefs."

I'm starting to think now that it may well have been good ole mom who's been brainwashing the kid and the dad is very concerned because his daughter is raving on like a cultist.

Just sayin'.

[Yieu]

But the far more disturbing point, I think, is that it was ordered because the girl vigorously defended her Christian beliefs and the counselor thought it showed a lack of exposure to other points of view.

In other words, all the tlak about leaving religious training with the parents, this girl, despite being just fine academically, has not been properly exposed (in the judgement of THE STATE) to enough differing viewpoints, and that is going to be fixed! The mother's or even the child's own preferences in the matter be damned!

Yes, that is certainly messed up. That is not a reason to put force someone into public education.

I do feel that learning about other religions (and not through the lens of your own) is beneficial, because it can help you understand your own faith more and why you chose it over others, as well as help understand people of other faiths, which can lessen prejudice. But that should never be forced (nor would it even be learned in public school), and should be done only if you desire to.

[Light]

Given that the author of that piece left out a very relevant part of the story, it also calls into question his statement that it was ordered because the girl "vigorously defended her Christian beliefs."

I'm starting to think now that it may well have been good ole mom who's been brainwashing the kid and the dad is very concerned because his daughter is raving on like a cultist.

Just sayin'.

We already have plenty of raving religious cultists. The raging cult of the big government. And they are quite powerful and large. Go read digg and reddit comments to see these cultists in action. I would say the nutjobs that the public schools create are more dangerous to your liberty than the one that was being made in homeschool.

[JamesButabi]

Just because it happened in New Hampshire. I wasn't deriding the FSP, just saying if this is happening in the state where the FSP is located - lot of work yet to do obviously.

Most people dont even realize that the FSP hasnt even technically started yet. Only once 20,000 peopel sign up does it truly begin. About 600 people decided to say screw that and move early, and thats the action you see thus far. If 600 people make this much press, and strike down bills already,imagine what thousands would do.