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clb09
08-28-2009, 05:00 AM
http://www.reddit.com/comments/9evu3/the_next_time_someone_says_universal_healthcare/


The next time someone says universal healthcare is "socialist", kindly explain to them that we have a socialist military, ask them why they hate our troops and why they hate America and freedom.

:rolleyes:

brandon
08-28-2009, 05:27 AM
It's true.... We have socialized police forces and fire departments as well.

Stary Hickory
08-28-2009, 06:43 AM
It's true, but then again it's easy to see why this developed. Who is going to joint he military if you have to foot the bills for injuries sustained while in combat? This system simply got expanded and took on a complete socialistic nature.

The military Health Care system is inefficient and costly. If you tried to give all Americans access to this type of system it would inpoverish the entire country. The military medical system is a perfect example of inefficiency and waste if you ask me.

Bucjason
08-28-2009, 06:46 AM
and next time someoone tells YOU we have a socialist military , tell the dumb-fuck to READ THE CONSTITUTION.

Defense spending and spending for a military is an enumerated power of the federal government. Health care is NOT.

FAIL, try again you marxist pigs...

brandon
08-28-2009, 07:06 AM
and next time someoone tells YOU we have a socialist military , tell the dumb-fuck to READ THE CONSTITUTION.

Defense spending and spending for a military is an enumerated power of the federal government. Health care is NOT.

FAIL, try again you marxist pigs...

It's still socialized. Just because the constitution says it's okay doesn't mean it's not socialized.

FrankRep
08-28-2009, 07:09 AM
It's true.... We have socialized police forces and fire departments as well.

Approved by the Constitution.

hamilton1049
08-28-2009, 07:13 AM
Approved by the Constitution.

Where?

FrankRep
08-28-2009, 07:20 AM
Where?
Since the Police and Fire department isn't Federalized, each state/city/township handles police and fire.

The 10th amendment.

Bucjason
08-28-2009, 07:36 AM
It's still socialized. Just because the constitution says it's okay doesn't mean it's not socialized.

Yes , and that is the job of the constitution...to lay out , in detail , the few things we CAN socialize, while keeping intact our freedoms and individual liberties.


...and there is no federal fire department, so that example is bogus. The states can spend on and socialize what the please. Once again , constitutional illiteracy on the part of the left....

hamilton1049
08-28-2009, 07:47 AM
Since the Police and Fire department isn't Federalized, each state/city/township handles police and fire.

The 10th amendment.

OK what clause in your State Constitution mandates publicly funded police and fire departments?

I'm not contesting just curious.

Elwar
08-28-2009, 07:50 AM
It's true.... We have socialized police forces and fire departments as well.

Not all fire departments are socialized. Mine was pay per service.

TastyWheat
08-28-2009, 07:59 AM
I disagree that it's a socialist organization. Socialism, by definition, is when government controls the means of production. Aside from ass-kicking I don't really think the military produces anything. We might create some weapons but they're only used "in house" (I hope).

I wouldn't even consider Medicaid and Medicare to be socialist programs. They're just payment mechanisms, so they'd be better classified as corporatist or egalitarian.

Bucjason
08-28-2009, 11:01 AM
I disagree that it's a socialist organization. Socialism, by definition, is when government controls the means of production. Aside from ass-kicking I don't really think the military produces anything. We might create some weapons but they're only used "in house" (I hope).

I wouldn't even consider Medicaid and Medicare to be socialist programs. They're just payment mechanisms, so they'd be better classified as corporatist or egalitarian.

Good points , and the military doesn't make any of thier weapons either . That is done by private contractors the government hires ( lockheed-martin, etc. )....

pcosmar
08-28-2009, 11:09 AM
Good points , and the military doesn't make any of thier weapons either . That is done by private contractors the government hires ( lockheed-martin, etc. )....

Ah, The Military Industrial Complex.



We must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex.
Dwight D. Eisenhower

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Military-industrial_complex

Kraig
08-28-2009, 11:14 AM
I disagree that it's a socialist organization. Socialism, by definition, is when government controls the means of production. Aside from ass-kicking I don't really think the military produces anything. We might create some weapons but they're only used "in house" (I hope).

I wouldn't even consider Medicaid and Medicare to be socialist programs. They're just payment mechanisms, so they'd be better classified as corporatist or egalitarian.

They control the means of production by taxing production and using it to fund the military, that is how it is socialism. Socialism rarely spends the money on productive things but it does control production to gain access to the money being spent.

Bucjason
08-28-2009, 11:18 AM
They control the means of production by taxing production and using it to fund the military, that is how it is socialism. Socialism rarely spends the money on productive things but it does control production to gain access to the money being spent.

I think you are actually describing Fascism....

WHen you allow private business to exist , but control and micro-manage everything they do.

tremendoustie
08-28-2009, 11:25 AM
and next time someoone tells YOU we have a socialist military , tell the dumb-fuck to READ THE CONSTITUTION.

Defense spending and spending for a military is an enumerated power of the federal government. Health care is NOT.

FAIL, try again you marxist pigs...

It's still socialism. The constitution is just partially socialist.

And, standing armies are NOT in the constitution.

Edit: If you want to call it fascism or corporatism that's fine with me too.

TastyWheat
08-28-2009, 11:46 AM
They control the means of production by taxing production and using it to fund the military, that is how it is socialism. Socialism rarely spends the money on productive things but it does control production to gain access to the money being spent.
That kind of stretches the meaning of "control", and by that logic absolutely everything the government does is socialist.

tremendoustie
08-28-2009, 11:52 AM
That kind of stretches the meaning of "control", and by that logic absolutely everything the government does is socialist.

That's true, almost everything the government does is socialist. If the government took and spent no money, and never used coercive control, we would be 100% free, and 0% socialist. If the government took all money and spent all money, and continually used coercive control, we would be 0% free and 100% socialist. As it is, we're somewhere in between

UnReconstructed
08-28-2009, 02:27 PM
maybe the constitution is socialist