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itshappening
08-26-2009, 03:22 PM
"this isnt left vs. right this is totalitarianism vs. freedom"

where has been all these years? where was he on the patriot act etc...

Rush is a FRAUD ...

FrankRep
08-26-2009, 03:25 PM
It's easy to say "totalitarianism vs. freedom" when your political party isn't in power.

Stary Hickory
08-26-2009, 03:26 PM
"this isnt left vs. right this is totalitarianism vs. freedom"

where has been all these years? where was he on the patriot act etc...

Rush is a FRAUD ...

Go with it now, we need allies. A enemy of Totalitarianism and a friend of liberty is good to have. Rush needs to drop the Neocon warmongering like most Republicans but he can be devastating when he talks about freedoms. He has a big audience.

I can't listen to him anymore as he talks to partisan for my likes, but he is a vehicle for freedom...when he chooses to be.

MsDoodahs
08-26-2009, 03:27 PM
I did note in the first segment that Beck stated flat out that the Bush administration was laying the groundwork for the FCC crap, and Beck repeatedly said that this has been in the works for a loooong time.

I don't listen to him that often - does Beck normally go against the Bush admin?

Athan
08-26-2009, 03:29 PM
Wow. What took the fool so many years to see this? A switch to a democratic party president? You've got to be fucking kidding me.

itshappening
08-26-2009, 03:30 PM
now he has Karl Rove on LOL...

Epic
08-26-2009, 03:35 PM
Wow. What took the fool so many years to see this? A switch to a democratic party president? You've got to be fucking kidding me.

Nah, Rush hasn't changed at all, it's just a rhetorical flourish...

dr. hfn
08-26-2009, 03:46 PM
Independent voters are the majority now aren't they? I hope this trend continues

Stary Hickory
08-26-2009, 03:50 PM
I did note in the first segment that Beck stated flat out that the Bush administration was laying the groundwork for the FCC crap, and Beck repeatedly said that this has been in the works for a loooong time.

I don't listen to him that often - does Beck normally go against the Bush admin?

Yes Beck does this all the time. His real problem is he supports the war in Iraq.

Stary Hickory
08-26-2009, 03:53 PM
Wow. What took the fool so many years to see this? A switch to a democratic party president? You've got to be fucking kidding me.

Who cares if he wakes up to it, maybe he will freaking help. Who knows. Libertarians are only going to find allies and new members in the existing political system, that means people who previously held different beliefs.

I am just saying we need a unified front, it doesn't mean you have to take in folks unconditionally, but if people want to join for a struggle for freedom then great. But I agree be wary of people, we have had quite a few politicians speak about freedom and in reality do the exact opposite.

GunnyFreedom
08-26-2009, 04:45 PM
I did note in the first segment that Beck stated flat out that the Bush administration was laying the groundwork for the FCC crap, and Beck repeatedly said that this has been in the works for a loooong time.

I don't listen to him that often - does Beck normally go against the Bush admin?

Um, well, except for the brainwashed position on the "War On Terror..." yeah. And he has been SLOOOOOOWLY coming around on that one too -- even before BHO took over I believe.

I'm no GB fan, but I think the hatred of him we often see on RPF's is mostly irrational. About the only thing concrete we can point to is the one inference from like 18 months ago where he thought RP supporters were terrorists, which he has since (kind of) distanced himself from.

Like I said, and don't mistake me. I am no GB fan, and I hardly ever see his show. Hardly ever as in almost never. I think I have actually SEEN the show twice since he moved to Fox, and caught bits on the internet maybe 3-4 times? (ETA but I do read his newsletter and the occasional transcript)

But much of the animosity leveled at him from RPF's is irrational and propagandistic. That was one of the things that made me reconsider how "great and wise" all the Ron Paulers on this forum really are. So many of us seem quite comfortable with lies and propaganda when it suits us.

So I stopped coming as much as I had used to. Willful ignorance makes my physically ill.

Flash
08-26-2009, 04:59 PM
Um, well, except for the brainwashed position on the "War On Terror..." yeah. And he has been SLOOOOOOWLY coming around on that one too -- even before BHO took over I believe.

I'm no GB fan, but I think the hatred of him we often see on RPF's is mostly irrational. About the only thing concrete we can point to is the one inference from like 18 months ago where he thought RP supporters were terrorists, which he has since (kind of) distanced himself from.

Like I said, and don't mistake me. I am no GB fan, and I hardly ever see his show. Hardly ever as in almost never. I think I have actually SEEN the show twice since he moved to Fox, and caught bits on the internet maybe 3-4 times? (ETA but I do read his newsletter and the occasional transcript)

But much of the animosity leveled at him from RPF's is irrational and propagandistic. That was one of the things that made me reconsider how "great and wise" all the Ron Paulers on this forum really are. So many of us seem quite comfortable with lies and propaganda when it suits us.

So I stopped coming as much as I had used to. Willful ignorance makes my physically ill.

+1. Beck has been converting Neo-Con Fox viewers to Libertarians and right now is tied with Hannity in terms of ratings. And he frequently has liberty candidates like Ron Paul, Rand, & Schiff on his show. What's not to like about him?

Cowlesy
08-26-2009, 05:15 PM
If it weren't for the Glenn Beck Show today, I would not have known that Mark Lloyd, Obama's appointed "Chief Diversity Officer" for the Federal Communications Commission ("FCC"), praised Hugo Chavez's Venezuelan revolution, and praised how Chavez stripped the control of media away from "property owners".

Yeah, he's a great guy to have the President's ear and monitoring the media. Mark Lloyd also thinks the "free speech thing" is "overhyped".

eOs
08-26-2009, 05:21 PM
Rush Limbaugh...lol

NH4RonPaul
08-26-2009, 05:59 PM
Um, well, except for the brainwashed position on the "War On Terror..." yeah. And he has been SLOOOOOOWLY coming around on that one too -- even before BHO took over I believe.

I'm no GB fan, but I think the hatred of him we often see on RPF's is mostly irrational. About the only thing concrete we can point to is the one inference from like 18 months ago where he thought RP supporters were terrorists, which he has since (kind of) distanced himself from.

Like I said, and don't mistake me. I am no GB fan, and I hardly ever see his show. Hardly ever as in almost never. I think I have actually SEEN the show twice since he moved to Fox, and caught bits on the internet maybe 3-4 times? (ETA but I do read his newsletter and the occasional transcript)

But much of the animosity leveled at him from RPF's is irrational and propagandistic. That was one of the things that made me reconsider how "great and wise" all the Ron Paulers on this forum really are. So many of us seem quite comfortable with lies and propaganda when it suits us.

So I stopped coming as much as I had used to. Willful ignorance makes my physically ill.

Beck has been doing a great service to the 'mainstream'.
He has had Rand Paul on twice now.
If not for Beck, Ron's HR1207 would not be where it is...
I am not sure what people don't like about Beck -- he's spot on about the communist revolution we've had in this country.

Some people would rather jealously bitch about Glenn Beck while suffering this tin pot dictator piece of crap we have in office.... who is gonna completely destroy America.
Shameful!

NH4RonPaul
08-26-2009, 06:01 PM
Does Beck normally go against the Bush admin?

Always!

And I recommend you watch him EVERY NIGHT, and especially this week.

There is even a book being advertised by the GOP called 'shadow government'. They are finally coming around too.

ItsTime
08-26-2009, 06:02 PM
It was a neo-con lovefest today, I turned it off.

@ MsD yes Beck has recently attacked Bush a lot. I dont know if he did or not while Bush was prez because I didnt listen or watch him then. But he claims he was attacking Bush then.

NH4RonPaul
08-26-2009, 06:05 PM
If it weren't for the Glenn Beck Show today, I would not have known that Mark Lloyd, Obama's appointed "Chief Diversity Officer" for the Federal Communications Commission ("FCC"), praised Hugo Chavez's Venezuelan revolution, and praised how Chavez stripped the control of media away from "property owners".

Yeah, he's a great guy to have the President's ear and monitoring the media. Mark Lloyd also thinks the "free speech thing" is "overhyped".


And what a shame, that.

Everyone behind Obama, the chief communist himself, is someone who hates capitalism and has marxist ties and beliefs.

If you don't see what trouble we're in I feel sorry for you.

This is why I stopped going to Ron Paul websites --- too many of you are picking on the messenger instead of using their message to your advantage to educate people.

Once people like Beck see who is running Obama, they will eventually see why he is following the same war policies and by whom he is being directed.

You can't have everything all at once and I chalk it up to the political immaturity of Ron Paul supporters who were miserable to work with during a campaign.

They are also politically brainwashed by the left, and have no clue what's what a lot of them.. they are socialists and don't know it it seems.

Hopefully they will grow up fast.

ItsTime
08-26-2009, 06:05 PM
If it weren't for the Glenn Beck Show today, I would not have known that Mark Lloyd, Obama's appointed "Chief Diversity Officer" for the Federal Communications Commission ("FCC"), praised Hugo Chavez's Venezuelan revolution, and praised how Chavez stripped the control of media away from "property owners".

Yeah, he's a great guy to have the President's ear and monitoring the media. Mark Lloyd also thinks the "free speech thing" is "overhyped".

Beck does come up with some great info like that. I do find it funny the White House has only corrected Beck on "he is not a czar" and nothing else (if Beck is telling the truth) :eek:

NH4RonPaul
08-26-2009, 06:09 PM
Beck does come up with some great info like that. I do find it funny the White House has only corrected Beck on "he is not a czar" and nothing else (if Beck is telling the truth) :eek:

Oh brother! See what I mean? IF BECK IS TELLING THE TRUTH?????!!!!! :mad:

Boy we are in real trouble in this country if you don't believe what Beck is saying about the fact that we have been taken over by a Marxist coup basically.

Amazing.

:(

Every one of the people advising Obama are flat out communist marxist totalitarian SCUMBAGS who think Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro are the cats ass.

If that reality hasn't hit you yet, I pity you.

tonesforjonesbones
08-26-2009, 06:21 PM
Here's the deal...so many of the youth here are just like any youth..trendy. In their effort to be different, they end up being exactly the same. I guess Beck is not "cool" but Bill Mahr, John Stewart and Olberman ARE cool...They have not figured out that these communist bolsheviks are NOT OUR FRIEND. They are WICKED and DANGEROUS...i think it's very important for some on here to be perceived as "cool" rather than actually understanding what's going on. tones

ItsTime
08-26-2009, 06:24 PM
Tones, so what happens when Beck becomes trendy? Because that is exactly what he is.

ItsTime
08-26-2009, 06:25 PM
Oh brother! See what I mean? IF BECK IS TELLING THE TRUTH?????!!!!! :mad:

Boy we are in real trouble in this country if you don't believe what Beck is saying about the fact that we have been taken over by a Marxist coup basically.

Amazing.

:(

Every one of the people advising Obama are flat out communist marxist totalitarian SCUMBAGS who think Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro are the cats ass.

If that reality hasn't hit you yet, I pity you.

You misunderstood what I said. I meant if he is telling the truth about the only thing the white house has corrected him on is the wording of "czar"

tonesforjonesbones
08-26-2009, 06:26 PM
itstime...you said you don't listen to him so how do you know what he's saying? that is what is going on here. People are still throwin up videos of Beck saying Ron Paul supporters are terrorists...and I believe he was talking about the truther movement. I would be willing to bet that the Beck haters have not watched his show in the past year. tones

ItsTime
08-26-2009, 06:27 PM
itstime...you said you don't listen to him so how do you know what he's saying? that is what is going on here. People are still throwin up videos of Beck saying Ron Paul supporters are terrorists...and I believe he was talking about the truther movement. I would be willing to bet that the Beck haters have not watched his show in the past year. tones

I watch him every day. I didnt watch or listen to him much before he got on fox.

Cowlesy
08-26-2009, 06:28 PM
Oh brother! See what I mean? IF BECK IS TELLING THE TRUTH?????!!!!! :mad:

Boy we are in real trouble in this country if you don't believe what Beck is saying about the fact that we have been taken over by a Marxist coup basically.

Amazing.

:(

Every one of the people advising Obama are flat out communist marxist totalitarian SCUMBAGS who think Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro are the cats ass.

If that reality hasn't hit you yet, I pity you.

I think you grossly misinterpreted what ItsTime (and my comment earlier) meant.

tonesforjonesbones
08-26-2009, 06:29 PM
Well then you should know he's saying the right things. Whether he is sincere or not doesn't matter..he is schooling millions of folks about liberty , truth and the constitution. So..maybe he hasn't completely converted from the foreign policy issues but he's getting there. We have to be mindful that his viewers are , for the most part, pretty green, and if he wants to KEEP those viewers and grow, I guess he can't pull the rug out from under them on the foreign policy. That will take baby steps. TOnes

tonesforjonesbones
08-26-2009, 06:31 PM
If you notice, Rand Paul doesn't have exactly the same views on foreign policy that his Dad does...and he is attracting many republicans who have noticed this. tones

NH4RonPaul
08-26-2009, 06:37 PM
Tones, so what happens when Beck becomes trendy? Because that is exactly what he is.

What the hell does 'trendy' mean?

Who cares what he is, so long as he's exposing the enemies, and believe me, he's doing a great job.

I really think some of RP supporters are socialists and they just don't know it.

Here in NH the Republicans in our legislature ARE your friends... they don't get to vote on wars, but they vote on everything else and it's generally libertarian.

NH4RonPaul
08-26-2009, 06:38 PM
It was a neo-con lovefest today, I turned it off.


What the f*** is a neocon lovefest? I guess you want to put your hands over your ears to the truth?

This is why Ron Paul lost -- the idiots who supported him have no clue.

NH4RonPaul
08-26-2009, 06:40 PM
If you notice, Rand Paul doesn't have exactly the same views on foreign policy that his Dad does...and he is attracting many republicans who have noticed this. tones

I am not so picky as to notice what his 'foreign policy' was.... if you are smart you know that the president nor the congress sets this policy so long as we have shadow government.

It doesn't matter what his foreign policy is -- same with Beck, Rush or anyone else that knows what is going on.

God you people are so dense!

ItsTime
08-26-2009, 06:40 PM
What the hell does 'trendy' mean?

Who cares what he is, so long as he's exposing the enemies, and believe me, he's doing a great job.

I really think some of RP supporters are socialists and they just don't know it.

Here in NH the Republicans in our legislature ARE your friends... they don't get to vote on wars, but they vote on everything else and it's generally libertarian.

Did you call me a socialist? :eek:

I do not think you are following the convo to well.

NH4RonPaul
08-26-2009, 06:42 PM
You misunderstood what I said. I meant if he is telling the truth about the only thing the white house has corrected him on is the wording of "czar"

Why would he lie about that? He could care less about being threatened by the WH and for that alone you should admire him! If I were being threatened not to talk on air, I don't know how I'd feel.

That is just a veiled way of trying to get him to lose impact of what he is saying.

Tell me what qualifies any of these advisors, called czars or not, to be in the positions they are in, unelected?

You people get so mired in stupid details you miss the whole forest.

NH4RonPaul
08-26-2009, 06:44 PM
Did you call me a socialist? :eek:

I do not think you are following the convo to well.

The way some RP supporters THINK makes me wonder what the hell is wrong with them.

They are so, almost like superstitious. It's like saying, I can't get in a lifeboat that is blue because I don't like the color blue because it reminds me of X....so I'll drown instead.

ItsTime
08-26-2009, 06:44 PM
Why would he lie about that? He could care less about being threatened by the WH and for that alone you should admire him! If I were being threatened not to talk on air, I don't know how I'd feel.

That is just a veiled way of trying to get him to lose impact of what he is saying.

Tell me what qualifies any of these advisors, called czars or not, to be in the positions they are in, unelected?

You people get so mired in stupid details you miss the whole forest.

Dude you are missing the whole point and convo and I am finding your posts ironic.

tonesforjonesbones
08-26-2009, 06:45 PM
Tones is a huge Glenn Beck fan. tones

NH4RonPaul
08-26-2009, 06:45 PM
Um, well, except for the brainwashed position on the "War On Terror..." yeah. And he has been SLOOOOOOWLY coming around on that one too -- even before BHO took over I believe..

Are you suggesting that Beck's position matters one whit?

Are you suggesting BHO's position is different in any way than the past?

Whew. :rolleyes:

NH4RonPaul
08-26-2009, 06:46 PM
"this isnt left vs. right this is totalitarianism vs. freedom"

where has been all these years? where was he on the patriot act etc...

Rush is a FRAUD ...

Rush did not like the patriot act. But people who don't listen to him should not be assuming from propaganda what he says or believes.

GunnyFreedom
08-26-2009, 07:56 PM
NH4 - It appears you are misinterpreting what...well..pretty much everybody has said in this thread, and are going ballistic over what you THINK people are saying, instead of what they are....actually....saying. Try not to get upset that I just said that to you. we all do that on the odd occasion I think....

Pericles
08-26-2009, 10:26 PM
+1. Beck has been converting Neo-Con Fox viewers to Libertarians and right now is tied with Hannity in terms of ratings. And he frequently has liberty candidates like Ron Paul, Rand, & Schiff on his show. What's not to like about him?

+2 Beck is useful in spreading a freedom message. If I only tolerated people as perfect as I am, we could hold meetings in a phone booth (if one could still be found).

legion
08-26-2009, 10:33 PM
What the f*** is a neocon lovefest? I guess you want to put your hands over your ears to the truth?

This is why Ron Paul lost -- the idiots who supported him have no clue.

Ron Paul lost? If I remember correctly, Ron Paul did better than any of us ever expected. Unless, of course, you were a new comer to the campaign and assumed Ron's objective was to win the presidency.


Rush did not like the patriot act. But people who don't listen to him should not be assuming from propaganda what he says or believes.

Club Gitmo Rush Limbaugh didn't like the patriot act? Go figure.

Bman
08-26-2009, 10:34 PM
itstime...you said you don't listen to him so how do you know what he's saying? that is what is going on here. People are still throwin up videos of Beck saying Ron Paul supporters are terrorists...and I believe he was talking about the truther movement. I would be willing to bet that the Beck haters have not watched his show in the past year. tones

But he kinda said Ron Paul supporters.

You know what I've noticed about all the so-called Conservative/Constituion/Libertarian types on the news, mainly the ones who also identify themselves as republicans, is that they sound great when they are beating up on Democrats, but give them the power and watch out, hell hath come.

Nothing but a bunch of liars. If Beck wants to make a public statement it will show clearly the next election. This past election he was no friend of ours.

legion
08-26-2009, 10:37 PM
Rush is just another political mike jockey with no real convictions other than his market share. He's going to shift his rhetoric to whatever brings in the most amount of listeners. The fact he's talking like this suggests that we need to keep doing what we're doing.

We need to keep these guys on this vector until the next election. They're shifting from using meaningless conservative "small government" language to libertarian language. Change the language, change the debate, and we win. I couldn't be happier to read this.

GunnyFreedom
08-26-2009, 10:50 PM
We need to keep these guys on this vector until the next election. They're shifting from using meaningless conservative "small government" language to libertarian language. Change the language, change the debate, and we win. I couldn't be happier to read this.

This.

The fact is, regardless of where these people are in 2012, the more we can get them to speak the message today, the easier OUR job will become in 2012.

The reason RP sounded so 'radical' in 2008, is because we had nobody in the media advocating for a Constitutional Conservative position. The more these people advocate for that position today -- whether for real or for ratings it matters not -- it will be less 'radical' come 2012 because people will have become at least a little bit used to hearing the message.

I don't know whether the Beck hatred is based in jealousy, vindictiveness, or something else; but at the end of the day we are shooting ourselves in the foot by failing to fully capitalize on all the extra attention our platform has been receiving of late.

Endgame
08-26-2009, 11:05 PM
Same game that was being played in 1999. All of the conservative pundits were pretending to be anti-government and Bush was elected on that sort of rhetoric. Then look what they turned around and did once they were in power. Look for the same thing to be attempted in 2012.

American Idol
08-26-2009, 11:09 PM
Ever since Beck started sounding more like Ron Paul, his ratings have skyrocketed. This is not coincidence.

Liberty Star
08-26-2009, 11:29 PM
Ever since Beck started sounding more like Ron Paul, his ratings have skyrocketed. This is not coincidence.

That means Ron Paul should be becoming President soon.

legion
08-26-2009, 11:31 PM
Same game that was being played in 1999. All of the conservative pundits were pretending to be anti-government and Bush was elected on that sort of rhetoric. Then look what they turned around and did once they were in power. Look for the same thing to be attempted in 2012.

True, but campaigning for a flat tax is a hell of a lot different than campaigning for no tax. We have to continue to get them to use the language of liberty.

That's just tooth paste they can't put back in the tube.

kombayn
08-27-2009, 12:03 AM
Rush Limbaugh is a propaganda machine. He spews his bullshit everyday to old white republicans. Rush wasn't screaming this non-sense when Bush was in power but he did when Clinton was in power. It's stupid and Glenn Beck is being used to pick-up the conspiracy theorists, Ron Paul supporters, or paranoid voters. They're not honest and just will tell you to vote whoever the GOP nominee will be. It'll probably be that asshole Mitt Romney.

eOs
08-27-2009, 12:48 AM
Holy fuck, I just watched the rerun of the glenn beck show today and fuck, scare mongering at its best. I mean, rightfully so, I suppose, but shit I'm scared as fuck now.

Dr.3D
08-27-2009, 01:03 AM
Holy fuck, I just watched the rerun of the glenn beck show today and fuck, scare mongering at its best. I mean, rightfully so, I suppose, but shit I'm scared as fuck now.

Glad to see Beck is getting the message out there. :cool: