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FrankRep
08-24-2009, 11:20 AM
Rifqa Bary Safe for Now (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/crime/1714)


R. Cort Kirkwood | The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
24 August 2009


A circuit judge in Florida said (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-bk-rifqa-bary-ohio-teen-runaway-082109,0,1622385,print.story) last Friday that Rifqa Bary, the Christian teenager who fled her Muslim family because she feared an honor killing, will stay there until September 3. Until then, Florida law enforcement will try to determine whether it is safe for the girl to return home.

Young Rifqa, 17, says she fled Columbus, Ohio, where she lived with her family, because of her father’s threat to murder her for apostasy. Rifqa converted to Christianity four years ago, and as she told the court last week, she is no longer a Muslim but instead “loves Jesus.” Her Muslim father did not approve. The penalty for apostasy (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Printable.aspx?ArtId=5062) in Islam is death (http://answering-islam.org/Silas/apostasy.htm#_Toc157226271), and many Muslims would consider Rifqa’s murder justifiable. That is, it would be an “honor killing.” As The New American reported (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/crime/1692) last week in its story on Rifqa, honor killing is a growing problem in Europe, and now North America.

Rifqa tells her story (http://tiny.cc/Q60y7) on video, and explains that her father threatened to beat her with a laptop computer. At least one friend reports that Rifqa, like many Muslim girls who run afoul of paternal religious edits, showed up to school with clear signs of abuse. When she refused to the wear the Islamic hijab, one reports says, her father beat her. Even more frightening is what her father told her about her new-found faith in Christ. “If you have this Jesus in your heart, you’re dead to me,” Rifqa says her father warned. “You’re not my daughter.… I will kill you.” Thus did Rifqa flee to Florida.

Rifqa’s parents deny the abuse and say the girl is in no danger. They allege that Rifqa fled to Florida because she had a fight with her mother. As well, the father’s Islamic allies claim (http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/08/islamic-lies-and-smear-campaign-against-rifqa-bary-brainwashed-by-a-cult.html) she was brainwashed by a cult, although she had never met the two people in Florida who offered refuge when she landed on their doorstep. She became acquainted with them by visiting an online prayer group at Facebook.com.

A report from the state’s Department of Children and Families, disclosed in The Orlando Sentinel (http://xml.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-convert-runaway-dcf-081920,0,6975719,print.story), says Rifqa wants to stay with couple that took her in: “Child observed to be happy and comfortable with caregivers. Child requested placement with caregivers.... Child desires to be place with pastor as she will feel safer with them.”

Last week, the case landed in circuit court in Orange County, where Rifqa told the judge she wishes to stay (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-bk-rifqa-bary-ohio-teen-runaway-082109,0,1622385,print.story) with her foster family, who are Christian home-schoolers, until she is 18. He ordered Rifqa to stay in Florida at least until Sept. 3.

Whatever happens in Rifqa Bary’s case, it’s time for the authorities investigate “honor killing” among Muslims in this country and determine how widespread the crime is.


SOURCE:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/crime/1714

RM918
08-24-2009, 12:59 PM
"...and many Muslims would consider Rifqa’s murder justifiable."

Somehow I doubt you'll find many people, whether they believe it or not, actively condoning murder. I also don't believe it to be the case, at least in this country.

FrankRep
08-24-2009, 01:05 PM
"...and many Muslims would consider Rifqa’s murder justifiable."

Somehow I doubt you'll find many people, whether they believe it or not, actively condoning murder. I also don't believe it to be the case, at least in this country.
Real Muslims that actually follow their religion would be the difference.

Flash
08-24-2009, 01:40 PM
Honor killings happen all the time in the Middle East.

Fozz
08-24-2009, 03:44 PM
Whoever is saying that honor killings are a part of true Islam is lying.

Flash
08-24-2009, 03:48 PM
Whoever is saying that honor killings are a part of true Islam is lying.

Perhaps, it's still a part of Arabian culture though. Which is scary for those who wish to convert.

Liberty Star
08-24-2009, 03:52 PM
Perhaps, it's still a part of Arabian culture though. Which is scary for those who wish to convert.

Honor killing is reported in mideasteren and some asian societies like India too, more of a cultural thing. In mideast, Christian fathers have been known to kill their daughters for marrying outside preferred tribes. In Israel, marriages between Palestinians and jewish girls are banned due to racial reasons if not mistaken.

This could open a new channel for many African, mideastern college students to stay in America by converting and claiming that their lives will be in danger if they went back home. Upside is we'll have many more Africam, Arab Christian young men and women raoming streets of America and its pastors pasteurs.

FrankRep
08-24-2009, 03:53 PM
Rifqa Bary tells her story

YouTube - Rifqa Bary (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0P5IaIE_LI)

FrankRep
08-24-2009, 03:57 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy#In_Islam

Apostasy, in Islam


In Islam, apostasy is called "ridda" ("turning back") and is considered to be a profound insult to God. A person born of Muslim parents that rejects Islam is called a "murtad fitri" (natural apostate), and a person that converted to Islam and later rejects the religion is called a "murtad milli" (apostate from the community).

According to most scholars, if a Muslim consciously and without coercion declares their rejection of Islam and does not change their mind after the time given to him/her by a judge for research, then the penalty for male apostates is death, and for women, life imprisonment. However, this view has been rejected by a small minority of modern Muslim scholars (eg Hasan al-Turabi), who argues that the hadith in question should be taken to apply only to political betrayal of the Muslim community, rather than to apostasy in general. These scholars regard apostasy as a serious crime, but argue for the freedom to convert to and from Islam without legal penalty, and consider the aforementioned Hadith quote as insufficient justification for capital punishment. Today apostasy is punishable by death in the countries of Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Somalia, Iran, Sudan, Afghanistan, Mauritania and the Comoros. In Qatar apostasy is a capital offense, but no executions have been reported for it.
...

Fozz
08-24-2009, 04:02 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy#In_Islam

Apostasy, in Islam


In Islam, apostasy is called "ridda" ("turning back") and is considered to be a profound insult to God. A person born of Muslim parents that rejects Islam is called a "murtad fitri" (natural apostate), and a person that converted to Islam and later rejects the religion is called a "murtad milli" (apostate from the community).

According to most scholars, if a Muslim consciously and without coercion declares their rejection of Islam and does not change their mind after the time given to him/her by a judge for research, then the penalty for male apostates is death, and for women, life imprisonment. However, this view has been rejected by a small minority of modern Muslim scholars (eg Hasan al-Turabi), who argues that the hadith in question should be taken to apply only to political betrayal of the Muslim community, rather than to apostasy in general. These scholars regard apostasy as a serious crime, but argue for the freedom to convert to and from Islam without legal penalty, and consider the aforementioned Hadith quote as insufficient justification for capital punishment. Today apostasy is punishable by death in the countries of Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Somalia, Iran, Sudan, Afghanistan, Mauritania and the Comoros. In Qatar apostasy is a capital offense, but no executions have been reported for it.
...

http://www.islamicperspectives.com/Apostasy1.htm

Fozz
08-24-2009, 04:03 PM
Perhaps, it's still a part of Arabian culture though. Which is scary for those who wish to convert.
Any Muslim who commits an honor killing is just making his religion look terrible.

Bman
08-24-2009, 04:11 PM
Any Muslim who commits an honor killing is just making his religion look terrible.

Muslims not denouncing this practice also makes the religion look terrible.

Liberty Star
08-24-2009, 04:17 PM
I'm skeptical of such stories and facts being prresented when I see Fox news pushing this story; this is the same outfit that headlines "Upside to all out civil war in Iraq?". They don't care what happens to "Christians" of other races, it depends upon context of facts and who is pushing this. This could be a tragic story but Fox news pushing this story actually shows a deeply racist mentality, they are bloodthirsty racist freaks with no credibility when it comes to sanctity of life.

dannno
08-24-2009, 04:26 PM
Wow, you mean Christians haven't killed people for not converting to Christianity??

Fozz
08-24-2009, 04:47 PM
Yeah because I should take take time out from my busy college work to denounce this.... I don't make you denounce slavery, or the KKK. Leave me alone.;)

BTW the girl can love Jesus as a Muslim he is a prophet.....

That Rifqa girl is a very devout Christian who doesn't take any of this. She believes he is "the true living Jesus" and she goes to church whenever she can. Far more Christian than most Americans or Europeans.

I don't know if she is lying about this or if her life really is at stake, but if the latter is true, it would be a true shame that could make all Muslims look bad.

dannno
08-24-2009, 04:50 PM
I don't know if she is lying about this or if her life really is at stake, but if the latter is true, it would be a true shame that could make all Muslims look bad.

I only accept this statement if you agree that if the former is true it makes all Christians look bad.

BlackTerrel
08-24-2009, 05:12 PM
She converted to Christianity when she was 13 - seems a bit strange no?

Sandra
08-24-2009, 05:25 PM
She claims she converted to Christianity and fears for her life because her family is a devout muslim family a bit on the extreme side...hmmmmm.

So why did she decide to appear on television in a tank like top with a gentleman's arm around her. I have to question her story. Minor girls in similar situations would still dress modestly to LESSEN the probability of family coming after her .

Fozz
08-24-2009, 07:20 PM
I only accept this statement if you agree that if the former is true it makes all Christians look bad.
Nope. Muslims have a worse reputation than any other religion, and its been that way especially since September 11. Every time any bad happens that is Muslim related, Americans tend to believe that Islam itself is the problem, and that it is violent.

Fozz
08-24-2009, 07:21 PM
She claims she converted to Christianity and fears for her life because her family is a devout muslim family a bit on the extreme side...hmmmmm.

So why did she decide to appear on television in a tank like top with a gentleman's arm around her. I have to question her story. Minor girls in similar situations would still dress modestly to LESSEN the probability of family coming after her .

She also was a cheerleader who wore short skirts. I wonder, why the hell would such extreme parents allow her to dress like that?

FrankRep
08-24-2009, 08:34 PM
She also was a cheerleader who wore short skirts. I wonder, why the hell would such extreme parents allow her to dress like that?

Quote:

Last week, the case landed in circuit court in Orange County, where Rifqa told the judge she wishes to stay with her foster family, who are Christian home-schoolers, until she is 18.

james1906
08-24-2009, 09:57 PM
She also was a cheerleader who wore short skirts. I wonder, why the hell would such extreme parents allow her to dress like that?

http://darialois.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/1420807-quagmire.jpg

Sandra
08-24-2009, 10:22 PM
I'm waiting to see who they pick to play her "real family".

bkreigh
08-24-2009, 10:55 PM
Religion is crazy shit. Glad i dont have to put up with this shit.

Furthermore, why would you kills somebody with laptop when a $15 knife could do the trick especially in the the middle of this recession? Something is not adding up.

Bman
08-24-2009, 11:31 PM
I don't make you denounce slavery

That's because you wouldn't have to make me. Slavery sucks, and killing your child because of your religion sucks also. Both are horrid and flat out F_IN EVIL! I support complete removal from society for people who practice these ideas.

See how easy it is?

Bman
08-24-2009, 11:56 PM
Yeah I know its easy to denounce here but how would one denounce to the public and take time out of their day? No single person represents Islam, that's why we don't have a Pope.

One conversation at a time.

Sandra
08-25-2009, 06:23 AM
TIME is reporting that the preacher that she was staying with had a phone conversation with her before she left Ohio to go to his house in Florida. This is taking another turn on the creepy side.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1918228,00.html?xid=rss-topstories

Sandra
08-25-2009, 07:57 AM
ok, now we learn that the preacher had the girl at his house 3 weeks before authorities TRACKED her cell phone usage and pinpointed this pastors house as point of origin. Only after the pastor learned of the search, he videotaped the "honor killing" segment. He is suspected of assisting with her transport across state lines. Why didn't he encourage her to go to local authorities? This has child luring all over it. I believe he is just covering his butt with the honor killing claim.